Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Sneed F91]

Here's a copypasta I really like about the Marcia Lucas myth

This isn't to say Marcia didn't do anything for the OT because she clearly did or that she's not talented (the editing of the Death Star Trench Run in ANH is brilliant) because she clearly was, I just find it hilarious that types of people who hate modern "woke feminism" keep spouting literal female empowerment bullshit because they hate George and don't understand how moviemaking works. By the way, during the making of ROTJ she cucked George by sleeping with a guy who helped build Skywalker Ranch while they were still married then left the film industry to be a mother of her own volition. She wasn't "blacklisted".

I also can't stand people who smugly keep repeating this as a fact while ignoring Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew (the actual 2 main editors of ANH) because they truly don't know how the movie was made.

It's definitely a masterpiece of unintentional comedy.

I disagree. TLJ is too purposefully antagonistic towards the audience and boring to be truly funny like the PT.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Holy shit...are you saying that... a movie's unfinished first rough edit ISN'T perfect right out the gate?

I know, mental ain’t it?

 

[Ghostse]

It makes me wonder why Disney is so obsessed with turning all their franchises into female-centric films and projects when they've already clamped down the girl, teenie bopper, and teenage girl market through mainline disney and tv shows?

In dead seriousness: Because women are stupid and shit with money. Not happy with their current crop of abused wives, they want actual abused wives and retarded teen girls to shovel their money into Star Wars.

Disclaimer: #NOTALLwoMEN so if you are a woman and taking care of your finances and shit, good for you.

Spoiler: Doomer Sperg

But you know on the whole I'm right, the average woman is raised with zero accountability and zero fiscal sense (not that for Ys & Zoomers the men are getting a much better education, but they are at least expected to have responsibility for their mistakes.) you know that the majority of your friends are utter shit with money and blow most of their paycheck on trying to be trendy. Clothes, food, trips, etc.

By declaring what used to be normal as unacceptable nazism, you are also making all old media non-viaable. You can't watch those copies of 1994 Little Mermaid - there are no people of color, no queer relationships, oppessive gender roles, no variety in body types, and not one word about native rights. You need to watch the new Nigger-infused life action remake, with 20% niggers, Triton as a greased up uke Bara, ariel being fat and unattractive, and political messaging every 5 minutes. So buy all new 4K BluRay copies of that. Keep spending, piggy.

 

[Sneed F91]

As for their second point, again, it’s not a good political story because there’s no spice. There’s just a lot of surface-level stuff instead of an overarching message that transcends politics or social issues.

I 100% agree. Disney Wars is so shallow and without meaning that it's very difficult to read anything into it. Even something pretentious like TLJ is like a more quirky tryhard MCU film by some hipster dumbass. That, or "muh nazis bad" (no shit).

In dead seriousness: Because women are stupid and shit with money. Not happy with their current crop of abused wives, they want actual abused wives and retarded teen girls to shovel their money into Star Wars.

But that still doesn't explain why most Disney Wars fans are still mostly men. Apart from mentally ill Reylos and twittertards most women don't seriously care about the franchise (from what I've seen). I guess the womanchildren obsessed with Disney into adulthood should overlap with Star Wars fans, but it doesn't really seem like it did they way they wanted it to.

 

[Ghostse]

But that still doesn't explain why most Disney Wars fans are still mostly men.

Sunk Cost Fallacy. The abused wives of Star Wars have been bitching and then pay-pigging since 1999, and at the end of the day its a story about Space Wizards and war which is a masculine thing. They are continuing to huff copium and trying to justify Disney raping their fandom before their eyes, because being a Star Wars fan is such a big part of their identity they can't just stop because without it, there will be some very serious ego death.

I have a friend who was finally Buck Star-broken after Plan 9. He is a huge lore nerd, and it was really, really fun to watch him try to cope after he saw TLJ. Like most of Doomcuckers in this thread, he was huffing the copium of "its not that bad" and the final movie totally making everything better.
He watched Plan 9, but when he got back never said a single word about it. I just said "So....Exogol" and you could see him have nerd PTSD. He is no longer excited for any Disney Star Wars movie projects - well, he is. You can see the small spark of light in his eye when he hear's "New Star Wars" only to have it snuff out as he remembers what they did.

That said, the nigger was made by his wife to get Disney+ for a few months and when he did like a good cucksoomer watched Solo and Mando. (My warnings about how bad things really were did get him to not watch Book of Blobba Fat at least)
Relaying information from this thread about how they are fucking up Kenobi and the writers are ignoring lore both pre & post Disney and watching him die a little inside each time is one of my small joys.

 

[Creep3r]

Doomcock takes that end to far.

Believing that at all is just silly man. Filoni is the executive creative director now. He is the storygroup. His influence shines through in everything that's getting made now. And let's say I humor Doomcock's bs, even if it were true, Filoni gets put in charge and now we have more wolf, Filoni Wars and Ahsoka wank... Oh wait, we already do. Only difference in Kennedy barges in to add more women.

Its all he thinks of and drawing her is all he ever does when its not Plo Koon and wolves.

He even drew some Topps Star Wars cards and this is all he offered.

Just art upon art of Ahsoka. Even his Vader cards were just of Vader looking at Ahsoka. And much like with Maul she's living in his head rent free.

Every single card was Ahsoka. Its the same kind of tism Zahn had with constantly putting emphasis on Thrawn and even wanting to clone him back to life, but at least Zahn could write and develop a setting and he actually listened to his editors and superiors.

Filoni's even been confirmed to approve of Luke's replacement with Leia in his interview for TLJ. Its in the freaking OP.

Disney upper management isn't satisfied with what Kennedy has produced under her leadership.

Yes, that's clearly why they keep extending her contract and do nothing to demote her. This is Doomcock copium man.

It's widely known that Star Wars was an over bloated mess before it was edited down - https://youtu.be/GFMyMxMYDNk - but nowhere suggests the film was not always going to get heavily edited anyways. All films do.

>Using the Rocket Jump "film school" video
FFS man.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Believing that at all is just silly man. Filoni is the executive creative director now. His influence shines through in everything that's getting made now. And let's say I humor Doomcock's bs, even if it were true, Filoni gets put in charge and now we have more wolf, Filoni Wars and Ahsoka wank... Oh wait, we already do.
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Its all he thinks of and drawing her is all he ever does when its not Plo Koon and wolves.
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He even drew some Topps Star Wars cards and this is all he offered.
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Just art upon art of Ahsoka. Even his Vader cards were just of Vader looking at Ahsoka. And much like with Maul she's living in his head rent free.
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Its the same kind of tism Zahn had with constantly putting emphasis on Thrawn and even wanting to clone him back to life, but at least Zahn could write and develop a setting.

Yes, that's clearly why they keep extending her contract and do nothing to demote her. This is Doomcock copium man.

>Using the Rocket Jump "film school" video
FFS man.

They keep her because the list of people who can adequately run a studio is super small.

Training some one up to be able to do it makes sense.

The problem is KK wants some one who has her ideas for the future of the brand.

Filoni's position means he has authority to synergize what he is doing with the rest of the product. That doesn't mean he is Chief Creative Officer (yet). He is a step or two under that position.

Like I said. Doomcock is overhyping the information. Because my hunch is some one from Chapek is feeding Doomcock his info

 

[Sneed F91]

Filoni is the executive creative director now. His influence shines through in everything that's getting made now.

shhh let them believe filoni still loves them and is gonna make star wars great again
*insert video of filoni saying leia is the real protagonist of the OT*
*insert photo of filoni helping make TFA from TFA making of doc*
*insert page from TROS artbook where dave agrees with everything they did in the sequels*
*post about how the sequels STILL aren't reconned out of existence and never will be here*

 

[Ghostse]

They keep her because the list of people who can adequately run a studio is super small.

Training some one up to be able to do it makes sense.

The problem is KK wants some one who has her ideas for the future of the brand.

Filoni's position means he has authority to synergize what he is doing with the rest of the product. That doesn't mean he is Chief Creative Officer (yet). He is a step or two under that position.

Like I said. Doomcock is overhyping the information. Because my hunch is some one from Chapek is feeding Doomcock his info

I wish we had a "Cope" rating for this thread.

 

[The handsome tard]

Christ, they literally pulled the "its a flesh wound" card with The Grand Inquisitor

"see?! I told you all it would make sense!"

yeah, nice one, TGI is alive but now you just fucked the consistency of lightsabers silly because are you telling me that, no joke, Reva SOMEHOW stabbed him in a non fatal manner in the correct spot and, by some massive luck, didnt go for the head or double tapped him (which, you know, the force should show you that person aint dead but whatever). Same goes for youngling Reva...is this series suggesting seriously that NO ONE, NEITHER ANAKIN OR CLONE, decided to double tap?

I feel like Reva was the result of an idea, what if a youngling survived and came back for Vader? It IS an interesting idea but one that breaches canon the way they executed it because there is no way that Anakin would leave any survivors if he knew of their existence. He is VERY competent at his craft and missions.

Reva is a fuck up of a character. She is inconsistently evil and now we are suppose to recontextualize everything with her as a good guy.
No, she is a broken crazed woman that mercilessly killed innocents and is no way any better than Vader...and her plan to find Obi-Wan to bring Vader out...and then having the guts of asking "Where you were?!" to him...it all solidifies she is crazy and emotionally broken, blaming Obi-Wan for shit he had no control over.

And now what? The leaks have been basically proven right at this point. We know Reva will go after Luke either to get revenge on Obi-Wan or maybe she will find out somehow Luke is Vader's son so killing him would "indirectly" hurt him. I dont know, its clear that she is a mad dog.
It doesnt make any sense why she would return to Vader to report Obi-wan to be dead.

Unless that part was false or altered during production. Maybe what we got was an early concept and changes were made because I cant see Reva realistically returning to Vader, trying to do the "obi-wan's dead" routine with a straight face after she legit tempted to murder both Vader and TGI. Vader wouldnt kill her for lying (that would be obvious), it would be for the reasons I mentioned.

So Reva will probably survive and thats where her series comes in. Lucasfilms are a lot of things, unpredictable isnt one of them

The future sight reasoning works for Anakin because his mother was still a slave at the time and Tattoine is a dangerous place by nature.

Sidious was the one making those visions, they werent future seeing, they were makeshift visions of things that he intended to craft into reality. His mother's death wasnt destined to happen but Sideous was hard at work at guaranteeing it that it would.

So the future really isnt set in SW (at least according to OT and PT rules)

Everyone misses Batman's point to be edgy or lolironic about him not killing the joker. Its not that he's supposed to be moral or w/e, its that he doesn't believe in power over life and death being concentrated in one person. He just stops the criminals, delivers them to the police, and its up to society to decide what to do with them. And the answer is universally "send them to arkham, learn absolutely nothing".

The fact the Joker still draws breath is a failing on the society Batman lives in, not the Batman.

This

I legit dont get WHY people think its Batman's job to kill the joker. It is not. And will never be.
Super Heroes shouldnt kill, they are servants of society, not its enforcers.

What Batman is doing is already pretty damn illegal, adding killing into the mix would make the people see him as no different than criminals.

Batman and other heroes want to build a world where they arent required.
The Joker is simply one of the biggest suspensions of disbelief in fiction, we gotta believe the joker is somehow extremely famous in universe and he somehow hasnt been executed or someone he took everything from hasnt shot the clown in the head, not caring about the legal consequences.

I think a problem with The Joker is the fact he gets away with borderline terrorists acts with a "insanity" plea excuse which can only "realistically (for comic book standards)" get you so far. Many other Batman villains tend to have significantly smaller operations that focus on more actual crimes (like Black Mask, Riddler and etc). Others have crimes more focused on Batman only (like Ras'al Ghul and Bane).

The Joker, however, always focused on the biggest body count because to him everything is meaningless, including his victims. He is AWARE that it is wrong, he simply doesnt care. How come no lawyer threw that card to send him to the electric chair Robot Chicken styled surprises me.

We throw "clown world" around but I think Batman might literally live in a Clown World.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

I wish we had a "Cope" rating for this thread.

Its note cope. Its how a lot of the big companies work.

They wont fire some one for being bad if they don't have a replacement in the can

 

[6MillionCoofs]

*insert page from TROS artbook where dave agrees with everything they did in the sequels*
*post about how the sequels STILL aren't reconned out of existence and never will be here*

Shitting on the work of the franchise you work for is something they were probably told not to do. Not saying he secretly thought it was shit but staff were probably told to be on message. Hamell going off script was something that caught them off guard clearly.

 

[Sneed F91]

They keep her because the list of people who can adequately run a studio is super small.

Most of what Kennedy has done at Lucasfilm is exactly what Iger told her to do with a few exceptions (hiring Rian Johnson) because at the end of the day she reports directly to him. She didn't want JJ back for Episode 9 for example.

Training some one up to be able to do it makes sense.

George didn't train Kathleen, he just hired her because of her experience as a producer and a personal friend of his.

The problem is KK wants some one who has her ideas for the future of the brand.

Kennedyfilm is filled with people like this already, so that won't be a problem when she steps down.

Its note cope.

I wish we had a "Cope" rating for this thread.

If we ever had a thread specific cope emote I suggest it should be a cowboy hat

They wont fire some one for being bad if they don't have a replacement in the can

Bro it's been 10 years. She's not going anywhere.

Shitting on the work of the franchise you work for is something they were probably told not to do. Not saying he secretly thought it was shit but staff were probably told to be on message.

Genuine question: why is it so hard for Star Wars fans to believe that Dave Filoni likes the sequel trilogy and has little to no problems with the way Disney is handling the franchise? Kathleen lets him do whatever he wants. If he seriously had problems with KK and cared about Star Wars, Kathleen would have kicked him out or he would have left because no sane person would be ok with what Disney is doing.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I know its long dead and its been nearing 5 years but man still to this day I loathe The Last Jedi. The film is aggressively one of the biggest fuck yous in film history being an example of almost everything wrong with modern filmmaking these days. Even if we were to disregard all the character and lore breaking shit in the film what exists in abundance, what else are we left with?

The fact it started with a "Yo Mama" joke in 2017 was already a sign this film was unsalvagable. It's a film that has some of the worst pacing, tone, and character consistency that's received a major budget. It's also way too long where one could have trimmed 45 minutes off of the film and likely would have been more serviceable.

It makes me wonder why Disney is so obsessed with turning all their franchises into female-centric films and projects when they've already clamped down the girl, teenie bopper, and teenage girl market through mainline disney and tv shows? The funniest thing about all this shit is that I haven't seen one little girl talk about Rey or any female star wars character even though these characters are aimed at them. It takes the cake for me how you could misunderstand the core audience of a franchise or genre so bad that you take Star Wars from an event film towards direct to video schlock.

Long story short, Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey literally ruined pop culture, Twilight was a no name property and a low budget movie that nevertheless lead to a massive franchise cash cow for Summit pictures, this made Hollywood wake up and realize that the demographic who would spend the most money was not what they thought it was, the old 18-34 male demographic, but women.

Twilight was also the biggest bunch of garbage but retards ate it up, proving you didn't need to make anything of actual quality, just find the right group of rubes that will literally open their wallets for the right franchise that hit whatever notes they want to be hit.

Then the generation of women that grew up on Twilight went to college and were pumped and primed for hardcore Marxist brainwashing and suddenly the climate got all political, suddenly you could no longer make fun of garbage like Twilight without people making into a political issue which gave this crap a shield from fair criticism as is the case of Disney's Star Wars.

We're a gynocentric society and culture now, men are basically seen as an unwanted trash, just worthless pigs stinking up the place whom they really wish would just disappear or fade into silent irrelevance, it's THEIR hobbies now, it's THEIR culture now, it's THEIR franchise now etc etc, they take great joy in purposely taking thing away from males and it gives them great joy to think of males being unhappy.

The instant the US became a gynocentric culture everything became shitty and stupid and it started in a big way with Twilight.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

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Genuine question: why is it so hard for Star Wars fans to believe that Dave Filoni likes the sequel trilogy and has little to no problems with the way Disney is handling the franchise? Kathleen lets him do whatever he wants. If he seriously had problems with KK and cared about Star Wars, Kathleen would have kicked him out or he would have left because no sane person would be ok with what Disney is doing.

Because someone that in their eyes seems to get George’s vision for Star Wars can’t possably also like the people he works with and not mind what they are doing, despite the fact they let him do whatever and their current projects are thousands of different spin off which allow the SW universe to expand which, considering fans of SW always gush about the universe, would be something any fan would want to do.

The guy they like has to secretly agree with them you see. Which blinds them to the bigger picture and stops them seeing that all of this is fun to do.

Heck, all the actors involved in the Sequels probably would not have been so mad about them had they given them fun things to do.

Disney’s only real issue to me is they are marketing all their new shows with old fan favourite characters and then bait and switching. They clearly don’t have confidence in their own stuff.

 

[The Ugly One]

I 100% agree. Disney Wars is so shallow and without meaning that it's very difficult to read anything into it. Even something pretentious like TLJ is like a more quirky tryhard MCU film by some hipster dumbass. That, or "muh nazis bad" (no shit).

But that still doesn't explain why most Disney Wars fans are still mostly men. Apart from mentally ill Reylos and twittertards most women don't seriously care about the franchise (from what I've seen). I guess the womanchildren obsessed with Disney into adulthood should overlap with Star Wars fans, but it doesn't really seem like it did they way they wanted it to.

Most Disney Wars fans are men because women don't really care for space wizards and laser space ship fights. They don't now, and won't ever. As the Star Wars fandom shrinks, it will continue to be predominantly men. There is no set of future circumstances wherein women and girls have more toy space ships decorating their living spaces than men and boys do.

Disney is in total denial of this fact, because anyone who says the truth about it will immediately be fired for spreading sexist myths. The official company line in any male-centric field or product line that every C-Suite executive spouts, and wants to hear you spout, and will fire anyone for not spouting, is that women are a vast, untapped reserve of talent/spending/etc, and all we need to do is find that magic recipe that will finally make women become 51% of the people watching football/drinking scotch/studying mechanical engineering/buying space ship toys/etc.

 

[Bulk Bogan]

This thread has been miserable and sad long enough. I bring a gift from the past!

 

[Creep3r]

This thread has been miserable and sad long enough. I bring a gift from the past!

Shitting on the work of the franchise you work for is something they were probably told not to do. Not saying he secretly thought it was shit but staff were probably told to be on message. Hamell going off script was something that caught them off guard clearly.

Its note cope.

“We should shift it so Leia is the Obi-Wan
of this entire trilogy. I don't even think that it hurts that she's not
primarily that mentor figure in VII because, like John had been
saying, the audience expectation is so on Luke. And when that
proves not to be true, it's way more powerful. It's dangerous,
because it makes it so about the women of Star Wars. Something
to me says that's right.

"There is something happening culturally. You look at birth,
regeneration, the world itself needing healing: All of those things
are emblematic of the ‘mother’ character in myth. They are all
matriarchal things—Mother Earth itself, global warming is a
hot topic.
- Dave Filoni, Art of Star Wars (Episode VIII&IX)

(Art of Star Wars: The Mandalorian)
Filoni dindu nuffin! He a good boi tho! Please leave Dave alone! I just want an Ahsoka vtuber spinoff! - r/saltierthancrait

 

[The Ugly One]

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“We should shift it so Leia is the Obi-Wan
of this entire trilogy. I don't even think that it hurts that she's not
primarily that mentor figure in VII because, like John had been
saying, the audience expectation is so on Luke. And when that
proves not to be true, it's way more powerful. It's dangerous,
because it makes it so about the women of Star Wars. Something
to me says that's right.

"There is something happening culturally. You look at birth,
regeneration, the world itself needing healing: All of those things
are emblematic of the ‘mother’ character in myth. They are all
matriarchal things—Mother Earth itself, global warming is a
hot topic.
- Dave Filoni, Art of Star Wars (Episode VIII&IX)
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(Art of Star Wars: The Mandalorian)
Filoni dindu nuffin! He a good boi tho! Please leave Dave alone! I just want an Ahsoka vtuber spinoff! - r/saltierthancrait

How the hell could say any of that and not realize you are a giant douche?

 

[The handsome tard]

How much of everything that happened after Qui-Gon death would have been different if had survived?

Well, going with best case scenario here and the councils allows Qui-Gon to train Anakin after promoting Obi-Wan to a knight, things would be no doubt improved.
Obi-wan IS a good teacher but not the idea one for someone like the chosen one, the best one was the one that had unorthodox teachings and wasnt afraid to do what was best rather than "right".

Anakin is a man that needed a strong paternal figure in his life and Obi-wan was like an older brother ultimately. Anakin tried to compete and one up him in his teens and while that decreased when the clone wars started, it was still always there. Anakin wouldnt try to do that with Qui-Gon because Anakin would deeply respect him as a father figure that isnt trying to limit him, only steer him at the right side and let him do his own decisions. Im sure Anakin wouldnt hide his romance with Padme with him,at least not for long.

Qui-Gon wouldnt forbid him to love Padme but look within himself and, if he really wants that, to be mindful about the temptations towards the dark side that this MAY (not will) bring and he needs to trust him if he feels anything.

Anakin's mother would be in a safe location by the time Ep 2 happens since Qui-Gon knows that Anakin is attached to his mother and there isnt much that can be done about it besides keeping her safe and comfortable while allowing regular visitations from her son. Maybe Sidious would arrange for an "accident" to happen to her but we are assuming nothing happens (and even if it did, I think Qui-Gon would have taught him to deal with grief but better than with Obi-wan)

I dont think he would always be around when Anakin is of certain age, Qui-Gon would travel to the Whills to learn the secrets of the force and Im sure he would complete his ghost force training fully.

Im sure Palpatine would still try to influence Anakin while this is all happening tho, especially when Qui-Gon is away, no doubt trying to turn against him and the order itself. While I can see Anakin's faith in the order being shaken but not in Qui-Gon's.

Come Ep 3 and the visions start, I can see Anakin eventually trusting Qui-Gon with them, it would be a conversation similar to Yoda's but one that is far less "cult-y" and more "the future is not set in stone, Anakin. The Force guides us but only we can solidify our destinies. We will work together to prevent any harm to come to Padme but you must not allow yourself to be blinded by the promises of easy solutions and fear. I fear these visions may indeed be a dark sign but not related to what they show but rather where they are coming from"

Its difficult to tell what this would ultimately lead but I do think that its safe to conclude Anakin wouldnt have turned under Qui-Gon.