Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

@5t3n0g0ph3r You might want to add this bit of Alan Horn info to the OP if its not too much trouble since I apparently forgot to include it last time, and I may need to be sent to a re-educational facility so I learn just how valuable China is for world peace.

Done.

 

[Screamer]

With the Avatar sequels. What gets lost is that years were spent planning out the films and writing them. It's the sort of thing that should have gone on with the Star Wars sequels.

James Cameron knew it was too much for him alone. So he established a writers room. The first thing they were focused on, was not new story ideas but understanding Avatar as a film. What worked, what didn't work and more importantly, why and how it responded so well with audiences.

After that, trying to fully understand Avatar, then they then moved onto breaking the stories for multiple films. Planning an entire trilogy over the course of several years. It's unclear to me if the fourth sequel was an extension of this initial trilogy or another idea.

Once the trilogy was mapped out in detail, all as unique and full films. With their own stories that interconnect into the larger work. Then Cameron assigned teams of writers to write the screenplays. Which of course Camera would do a pass on. As well as back to the writer's room for notes and further tweaking.

Will this work? Who knows, but it seems like the best possible approach. I'm sure Cameron could have easily cranked out some screenplays and had the films out years ago. Clearly, he had no intention of rushing this or half-assing it.

Disney still has shown no signs of actually putting any effort into understanding why fans like Star Wars or its characters.

 

[XYZpdq]

if you want to have faith in Cameron don't hope hard
in the day he had the mind-blowing revelation around 00 or so that there was _more_ Battle Angel than the ovas / first tank
and that was his pet project since the early-mid 90s THAT HE ALREADY HAD THE RIGHTS TO

 

[Shekelslovakia]

Can someone please tell me what the hell this faggot is talking about?
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He should of made a fan film instead called "Tyber Zann: A Star Wars Story" of Empire At War FOC lore rather than wanking off to Disney Wars with a normie friendly coomer Vader short film.

With the Avatar sequels. What gets lost is that years were spent planning out the films and writing them. It's the sort of thing that should have gone on with the Star Wars sequels.

James Cameron knew it was too much for him alone. So he established a writers room. The first thing they were focused on, was not new story ideas but understanding Avatar as a film. What worked, what didn't work and more importantly, why and how it responded so well with audiences.

After that, trying to fully understand Avatar, then they then moved onto breaking the stories for multiple films. Planning an entire trilogy over the course of several years. It's unclear to me if the fourth sequel was an extension of this initial trilogy or another idea.

Once the trilogy was mapped out in detail, all as unique and full films. With their own stories that interconnect into the larger work. Then Cameron assigned teams of writers to write the screenplays. Which of course Camera would do a pass on. As well as back to the writer's room for notes and further tweaking.

Will this work? Who knows, but it seems like the best possible approach. I'm sure Cameron could have easily cranked out some screenplays and had the films out years ago. Clearly, he had no intention of rushing this or half-assing it.

Disney still has shown no signs of actually putting any effort into understanding why fans like Star Wars or its characters.

Does anybody get the feeling that these Avatar sequels will be the death blow of the woke Hollywood agenda that's feasting on the corpse that was the American film industry over the last 12 years?

 

[Creep3r]

What the hell is going on?

First the official SW Twitter loses its mind (although it fittingly now matches the actual retards running SW), and now SWT is fuming every hour.

Decided to look into it and it appears that it was because some disney drones were making fun of him on tiktok because of a Kenobi watch party he held. Gee, its almost as if the disney wars fags you pandered to don't care about you or the brand and just worship disney.

Does anybody get the feeling that these Avatar sequels will be the death blow of the woke Hollywood agenda that's feasting on the corpse that was the American film industry over the last 12 years?

I doubt it. The movies could be good, but as long as they do well in China the idiots in Hollywood will fail to see what may make them work and will just think that doubling down on the forced China pandering is how you get chinese audiences in seats. Much like Hollywood will ignore why people like the new Tom Cruise movie and think people only like it because they want more pointless sequels and remakes. And no matter what happens, Disney will probably get more cash, and more cash means more corporate and copyright meddling unless more people like DeSantis pop up.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

What the hell is going on?
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First the official SW Twitter loses its mind (although it fittingly now matches the actual retards running SW), and now SWT is fuming every hour.

Decided to look into it and it appears that it was because some disney drones were making fun of him on tiktok because of a Kenobi watch party he held. Gee, its almost as if the disney wars fags you pandered to don't care about you or the brand and just worship disney.

I doubt it. The movies could be good, but as long as they do well in China the idiots in Hollywood will fail to see what may make them work and will just think that doubling down on the forced China pandering is how you get chinese audiences in seats. Much like Hollywood will ignore why people like the new Tom Cruise movie and think people only like it because they want more pointless sequels and remakes. And no matter what happens, Disney will probably get more cash, and more cash means more corporate and copyright meddling unless more people like DeSantis pop up.

Oh my he probably saw the last episode of Kenobi before anyone else cuz you know, he's a Disney coomer (or pirated it) and he finally snapped due to how asinine not to mention lore breaking what comes out this Wednesday will be.

As some rightly pointed out, there's simply no nostalgia for the franchise in China to begin with. Ergo, all those memberberries that JJ keeps trotting out during TFA? Nobody cares.

This is the reason Jar Jar made TFA into a soft reboot. Due to this being the closest thing the people of China have about Star Wars that's nostalgic.

 

[Ghostse]

I don't know exactly what all happened with the Avatar sequels. With the enormous success of the first, it's kind of a no-brainer that sequels would happen, but then it just ended up taking forever for these movies to get into production. Maybe James Cameron didn't quite know where he wanted the story to go and needed time to hash out the scripts, maybe he was busy with other projects for a while (like producing the Alita movie, another long-time passion project of his), maybe it's just the huge logistical issues with filming up to four movies practically simultaneously. Maybe it's all of the above.

The sequels were first announced immediately after the first film came out, initially aiming for a 2014 release for Avatar 2, but then various delays set in, with some wondering if it was ever going to see the light of day. Neil Cicierega sums it up pretty well:

Remember that these were also in the works prior to Disney's acquisition of Fox, so this isn't wholly the Rat's doing. That said, they'd be crazy to dump all the work that had previously gone into these movies, even crazier to give up on sequels to one of the biggest movies of all time. I think there were plans at one point to alternate between Avatar sequels and Star Wars movies every year, but with how badly the Disney Trilogy poisoned that well, it sure doesn't seem likely. Although 4 and 5 have supposedly already had some filming done, Cameron himself has said that if 2 and 3 don't do well, then those movies won't happen either.

It's all up in the air at this point, so there's not much point in speculating until 2 comes out. If it does gangbusters, expect Avatar to be whored out to hell and back. If it does adequate...who knows? It does have the benefit of not having nearly as much legacy as Star Wars (the summation of the Avatar franchise at this point is pretty much one movie and one theme park), so there's room for it to grow without pissing off long-time fans.

My biggest question with the Avatar sequels is this: is the spectacle really going to be enough? Avatar had a flimsy plot and 2D characters, but it was sold on the experience of "going to Pandora" with 3D. And admittedly, as someone who saw it on an IMAX screen when it first came out, it was pretty darn immersive. But we've had over a decade of CGI nightmares since then, with the entire MCU being a bluescreen assembly line production. And with Top Gun: Maverick's insistence on real stunts with real planes and real effects for the majority of the movie showing how good a movie can look when it's actually being filmed in reality, I wonder if another Avatar movie will have the same impact. Either they'll step up the actual storytelling aspect of the movie, or they're just gonna coast on general audiences being too dumb to care as long as there are flashy lights and explosions.

Like I said, it's all pointless speculation for now. We'll see what happens in winter, assuming it doesn't get pushed back again.

Avatar was a shit movie full of dumb hippydippy bullshit but the 3-D was immaculate. Cameron did amazing soft touches like having the consoles in the command center also be 3-D, and no stupid "ITS COMING RIIIIIGHT AT YOUR FAAAAAAAACE! Whooooooa! WHOOOOA!" shit like other films do.

But the novelty is done. I think Avatar 2 is goign to flop and Cameron knows it and is trying to fix it, but can't because no one ever made a Dances with Wolves 2.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Star Wars Theory is a bug-eyed cretin whose opinions are routinely spiked with the baseline "fanservice first, above all else" mentality that permeates the bulk of the franchise fandom. He deepthroats Filoni at every given opportunity, batted for the ST several times before it became unpopular to do so, and literally spent the immediate aftermath of Blando Season 2 defending the Luke scene with his life, saying that all criticism was moot since "it's a popular scene, and more people like it than don't".

He is the exact kind of monkey-brained simp with a short attention span that all of current SW is designed for and catering to, and he deserves to be clowned on like the retard he is by both official and fan entities surrounding Star Wars.

I hate Pablo Hidalgo as much as the next guy, but even he was too soft on this drooling charlatan.

 

[King Dead]

I know this is continuing to get really off-track in the Star Wars thread, but Avatar makes for a good comparison.

I probably didn't factor in Cameron's dedication to the whole Avatar world when it came to the delays in the movies. It's safe to say that he wouldn't have had nearly as much time and patience from the studio if Avatar hadn't been such a gigantic success in the first place, so there must have been faith from Fox to allow him to spend literally years hashing out the details for these movies. As I recall, he's also something of a perfectionist, so he could easily have gotten lost in the nitty-gritty of the scripts and worldbuilding.

Even if it doesn't pan out, I still appreciate that he took the time to do so much planning, which, as mentioned, is what Disney should have done when they bought Star Wars. Cameron has a framework to follow that expands upon his vision for the story, and he's also filming multiple movies together (2 and 3 were filmed together, and 4 and 5 are likely to be doing the same). I'm willing to give Avatar 2 a shot just to see if there's more of a story beyond Dances with Wolves in space, but if it feels just as two-dimensional as the first movie, then I'll probably check out there.

At any rate, it can't be worse than Disney's utter lack of plans for Star Wars. Nuking decades of beloved EU material, farting out multiple movies with no idea where they were going, shitting all over even their new canon and retconning it left and right...I don't get how anyone can be a Disney Wars fan when it's just endless, incomprehensible, pointless trash. It needs to be put out of its misery already, and if Avatar is what it takes to kill it, then so be it.

 

[Screamer]

Quite a few people on the Twitter being toxic about SWT, while claiming him and his fans are the toxic ones.

So typical state of the internet there.

 

[Aaron McIntyre]

What Star Wars lack, and I feel, shared with most people on the mainland is that the sequel trilogy is simply bad in communicating its story. As some rightly pointed out, there's simply no nostalgia for the franchise in China to begin with. Ergo, all those memberberries that JJ keeps trotting out during TFA? Nobody cares. Who the fuck is this old geezer that commandered the Millennium Falcon? Why is everyone so in awe of him? Oh good riddance, he's dead, why are do we care again? So on and so forth. Sure, the SFX is shiny and I suppose okay for its time, but really, try explaining the story of TFA without relying on past references to the films. You can't. The story of TFA cannot hold up on its own. (For fun, try doing the same for A New Hope, and Phantom Menace. Both hold up reasonably well under scrutiny.)

I'll never stop laughing at how incompetent the writing in the sequel trilogy is. A New Hope takes its time to explain what a Jedi is. The opening of The Phantom Menace actually shows you what a Jedi is and what they do. The Force Awakens, despite being a soft reboot and supposedly newcomer friendly, doesn't even attempt to explain this major concept for those potential newcomers. It's pretty much a movie made to please only the OT purists, and no one else.

 

[Bulk Bogan]

It's pretty much a movie made to please only the OT purists, and no one else.

But the time to do that was the 90s when the actors weren't mummies or digital skinwalkers. Plus, pandering to OT types means blowing the EU since that's where those people mostly disappeared to, and the first thing Disney did was blow the EU... up. It's a movie made almost entirely on the premise of "Star Wars fans are retarded and a given audience, so let's appeal to the average cinemagoer instead so we can make all the money in the world". Once the novelty of ~zomg new ster wers~ wore off, those people vanished back to wherever they congeal from.

Add in a healthy helping of political and the general modern urge to deconstruct things and you have your recipe for the sequels.

 

[Flexo]

Well this almost makes sense now. Just have these guys polish off your product, Disney.

 

[Creep3r]

Quite a few people on the Twitter being toxic about SWT, while claiming him and his fans are the toxic ones.

So typical state of the internet there.

Kind of ironic since SWT has spent years disavowing toxicity and labeling anyone who had anything critical to say about disney as part of the Doomcock Menace, even refusing to protest against Disney when they actively screwed him over and tried to cheat him out of thousands of dollars, and the few times he disapproved of something he would quickly backtrack and whine that he didn't want to feed into the toxicity by being honest about what he thought regarding Luke and Han getting anally pegged at every opportunity. Or when Lucasfilm shut down his Vader project the first time, the guy broke down in tears and said that he was still going to support them no matter what, half of his "fans" in the comments who all had disney or Reylo avatars were just calling him out on his lies and crocodile tears saying that Disney had every right to do what they wanted. Yet he still goes out of his way to please these people.

Even that canuck fag Eckhartz Ladder who has openly posted a video begging for Disney to hire him for no pay just so they can step on his balls at least actively calls them out whenever Lucasfilm steals art and designs or anything from his friends and both the fan community and even toy companies.

I know this is continuing to get really off-track in the Star Wars thread, but Avatar makes for a good comparison.

I probably didn't factor in Cameron's dedication to the whole Avatar world when it came to the delays in the movies. It's safe to say that he wouldn't have had nearly as much time and patience from the studio if Avatar hadn't been such a gigantic success in the first place, so there must have been faith from Fox to allow him to spend literally years hashing out the details for these movies. As I recall, he's also something of a perfectionist, so he could easily have gotten lost in the nitty-gritty of the scripts and worldbuilding.

Even if it doesn't pan out, I still appreciate that he took the time to do so much planning, which, as mentioned, is what Disney should have done when they bought Star Wars. Cameron has a framework to follow that expands upon his vision for the story, and he's also filming multiple movies together (2 and 3 were filmed together, and 4 and 5 are likely to be doing the same). I'm willing to give Avatar 2 a shot just to see if there's more of a story beyond Dances with Wolves in space, but if it feels just as two-dimensional as the first movie, then I'll probably check out there.

At any rate, it can't be worse than Disney's utter lack of plans for Star Wars. Nuking decades of beloved EU material, farting out multiple movies with no idea where they were going, shitting all over even their new canon and retconning it left and right...I don't get how anyone can be a Disney Wars fan when it's just endless, incomprehensible, pointless trash.

True, I mean at least Avatar looks like it will have autistic levels of storytelling, lore and world building from the creator and his team that weren't just made on the spot to pander to Chinese yuan or woke bucks while stealing and butchering the plot of a better movie, unlike Disney did with SW. So you can at least say it will at least still have the same "spirit", regardless of its quality. Question is if Disney will want to give the franchise the Dark Fate treatment.

Dark Fate... You know Terminator's new title really is fitting to not just how stupid and destructive it is to its setting, but it also perfectly fits well with every other forced sequel or reboot that took a massive shit on pre-established characters and settings for quick bucks and soapboxing. Pray your favorite thing stays dead or obscure lest it falls to a Dark Fate as well.

It needs to be put out of its misery already, and if Avatar is what it takes to kill it, then so be it.

That's honestly the only benefit I see from this. But I have to wonder, sites are saying that the future movies will deal with them leaving Pandora and exploring other planets in the AC system.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/01/18/the-history-and-future-of-the-avatar-sequels

If they're going to do that, it sounds to me like Disney or Cameron wants to turn Avatar into either the next Star Wars, Star Trek or Battlestar. If that is the end goal, will the series still be able to draw in audiences and blue coomer weirdos if it moves away from the blue people (personally I think it can as long as every planet isn't made a Dances with Wolves ripoff, but then again I like it when a series explores more of its setting)? Because I really hope that is the case since it means Disney will dump Star Wars like they did Tron for the sake of milking their new scifi piggybank. Only drawback is that it means more money for disney and that they'll lock Star Wars away into the disney vault with all the lame and woke garbage they've glued onto it.

 

[Übertroon]

This is Star Wars now
Look at it!
LOOK AT IT!

 

[Flexo]

That's honestly the only benefit I see from this. But I have to wonder, sites are saying that the future movies will deal with them leaving Pandora and exploring other planets in the AC system.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/01/18/the-history-and-future-of-the-avatar-sequels If they're going to do that, it sounds to me like Disney or Cameron wants to turn Avatar into either the next Star Wars, Star Trek or Battlestar. If that is the end goal, will the series still be able to draw in audiences and blue coomer weirdos if it moves away from the blue people (personally I think it can as long as every planet isn't made a Dances with Wolves ripoff, but then again I like it when a series explores more of its setting)? Because I really hope that is the case since it means Disney will dump Star Wars like they did Tron for the sake of milking their new scifi piggybank. Only drawback is that it means more money for disney and that they'll lock Star Wars away into the disney vault with all the lame and woke garbage they've glued onto it.

But... but the title "AVATAR" is a direct reference to the fact that they're humans controlling alien bodies. Having it be some mega space opera would be like... having a show called "Star Trek" be all about modern day LA--

Oh.

Kill me now.

 

[Creep3r]

This is Star Wars now
Look at it!
LOOK AT IT!

 

[Miller]

Here are some other things that apparently were more important:

Oh, so she was a writer. That makes sense now.

That's bullshit though, the guy isn't a SW fan, he makes YT reactions of the latest trailer for every movie.

Wasn't this a reaction from one of the EAfront games?

Decided to look into it and it appears that it was because some disney drones were making fun of him on tiktok because of a Kenobi watch party he held. Gee, its almost as if the disney wars fags you pandered to don't care about you or the brand and just worship disney.

The Disney drones on Twitter tried - again - to cancel him because he had invited Drunk3PO and the Geeks+Gamers guy on a livestream.

 

[Chris Mclean]

It's clear Deborah Chow is not up to the task. Her episode on the Mandolorian were clearly mainly directed by Favreau and Filoni in there extreme pre-vis planning of the entire episodes. Something it seems neither Boba or this show had.

Spoiler: Rant about Kenobi and the fandom

The problem from the get go is that Disney hasn't got any people left who respect the original source material and that is compunded by the entire staff making this shit tier nu star wars content being incompentent. When Filioni does it he usally has an idea of a pay off in his mind but isn't a talented enough writer to make it work with the existing contiute so he infantiles other characters to make his own ocs seem cooler (funnily enough often Kenobi in TCW). But these guys don't even have a vision of what they want do, there is no rhyme or reason to the characters and their decisions. It seems like they only want a paycheck.

At the begining of episode 1 of Kenobi it starts off with devaluing the empire. With the Jedi in the bar, what the space nazis can't hunt down a guy screaming I'am a jedi deal with me now in 10 years like Korra from TLAB? Then we find out that another jedi master survied order 66 in Quinlan voss and he's actively helping the rebels without any intervention from the empire. Devaluing both the prequels (order 66) and the OT for no reason except to keep Fagloni happy and to build up this shitty path idea. So now we got both Asshoka and Quinlan running around during the OT doing fuck all to help anyone except this mystery path that we can bet it and Ashoka is gonna be inolved in resurection of plo koon.

Then we have kenobi who seems more based on the Clone wars then in the actual films.

Sound like a parody post but there are a ton of people agreeing with him so im gonna take it at face value. It seems like this entire show exist to humiliate Kenobi. He can't fight or use the force anymore except for when the plot demands it. Gone is the wit and the warrior instead replaced by a guy who needs to be saved by the female self inserts and disneys new rebels.

The path idea is also complelty retarded and is obviously and allegory to something like the southern border, jews fleeing europe during ww2 or the underground railroad. To make the empire look even fucking dumber and get some more of those liberal bucks by getting them comparing it to the republicucks or Drumpf. Where was the path during the OT? Why wouldn't Kenobi tell Luke of Quinlan Voss so he could go rebuild the Jedi order with him after Yoda died

Dave is the Executive Creative Director and an executive producer. KK runs the majority of the business, but Dave is pitching the creative side of things and even Favreau has said that Filoni handles the "lore" and usually sought his approval on what to do and what not to do. And it all reeks of Filoni's usual staples, Filoni Wars fanservice and cheap survival rates. Reva might not be his creation and was probably conceived by KK and the new director, but most of what happens in Kenobi is perfectly in line with his usual saturday morning ideas.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/obi-wan-kenobi-darth-maul-scenes-cut-luke-skywalker-replaced-during-creative-overhaul-1235108192/

We even have confirmation on the matter since his inquisitor ocs are all over this.

Its obvious that Furloni has a lot of influnce on what goes on in modern Star wars. Kenobis character in the Kenobi show is not at all like him and is more like the later seasons clone wars where he spends most of the time getten beaten up and outsmarted. Anakin in the flashback also seems a lot like Furlonis interpretation of him. Same with the refernces to Quinlan Voss that nobody gives a fuck about except Furloni.

https://insidethemagic.net/2022/06/samuel-l-jackson-will-sacrifice-oscars-to-return-to-star-wars-and-mcu-kb1/

Are ya ready kids for the Mace Windu lives arc? Cause it sure seems like its coming. Cause we can never allow a scene to have impact everything got to be hollowed out so we can sell more stuff.

 

[starborn427614]

https://insidethemagic.net/2022/06/samuel-l-jackson-will-sacrifice-oscars-to-return-to-star-wars-and-mcu-kb1/

Are ya ready kids for the Mace Windu lives arc? Cause it sure seems like its coming. Cause we can never allow a scene to have impact everything got to be hollowed out so we can sell more stuff.

Season 2 of Book of Boba Fett, if I had to guess.