The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

CivilianOfTheFandomWars said:
I never got a phonecall asking that, mostly just Indians these days.
I forgot who said it, but you have to look at polls through the lens of someone who would take the time out of their day to answer some random jackass's questions.
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Your opinion isn't representative of most people's.

CreamyHerman’s said:
But it didn't just do that, it even states that in article and the Gallup poll. Most people are also unaware of the context or the background of Roe V. Wade
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So you're saying the statistics are wrong and most Americans secretly support overturning Roe? Because if you really think that then lol.
 
snailslime said:
Your opinion isn't representative of most people's.


So you're saying the statistics are wrong and most Americans secretly support overturning Roe? Because if you really think that then lol.
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I've never said that as well. I am merely stating the data inaccurate and this is being deployed the exact same way I see it in the industry I work in
 
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CAPTAIN MATI said:
Retard, no shit I'm set in my beliefs, that's why I debate lol
What the fuck kind of logic is this?
"We'll, it's obvious I don't any more ammo for debate, so it's time to play my sophisticated card."

Boy did you wander into the wrong corner of the internet if you're looking for civility, especially in a debate about child murder lol
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there is no point to a debate if neither side is willing to actually budge on anything. it's like talking to a wall and expecting the wall to move or change. it's not gonna work, and it's not worth the time. perhaps winning internet debates is a hobby of yours, but it's not mine.
 
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snailslime said:
Your opinion isn't representative of most people's.


So you're saying the statistics are wrong and most Americans secretly support overturning Roe? Because if you really think that then lol.
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Americans opinion on the overturning is irrelevant. The court's purpose is to reconcile legislation with the constitution and by any measure failed in deciding Rowe v. Wade. This is a long overdue correction of a miscarriage of justice. If women had any sense they would have demanded legislation while the decision stood and ensured victory.
 
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snailslime said:
Because I have statistics to back me up.


wow it's not like plenty of women haven't already demanded legislation.
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By "demand" I meant actually using their votes and collective power to manifest their demand. Kvetching on the shitpost containment board of an obscure agricultural forum does not count.
 
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BelUwUga said:
By "demand" I meant actually using their votes and collective power to manifest their demand. Kvetching on the shitpost containment board of an obscure agricultural forum does not count.
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to be fair gerrymandering is an issue that fucks with how people are actually represented. that said, you're not wrong. the supreme court is merely basing their decision on their interpretation of the constitution. it would have been more effective to at some point during the 50 years of roe v wade if people demanded a law actually be made protecting reproductive rights rather than relying on what we obviously can see now is an ephemeral decision based on interpretations of whichever party has the majority on the supposedly nonpartisan supreme court.
 
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Lurker said:
elaborate?
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Read about wellfare reform and it's legacy. Bill and Hillary clinton considered it the signature policy achievement of his presidency. HRC whipped.

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not every woman wants to be a mother, though. why shouldn't women have the choice whether they want to be mothers or not? are women not entitled to the same rights that are afforded to men? unless i'm misunderstanding or putting words in your mouth, which is not my intention.
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You asked how abortion affected a woman who wouldn't have an abortion. I gave an example.

Also - Women aren't men. It's not an equal rights issue. Men cannot become pregnant, and Men have little choice post insemination about whether to become fathers.
 
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snailslime said:
Your side has disgusting beliefs though.

The two party system is cancer.
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Hopefully, I've won you over on my pro-balkanization perspective. You'll get all the highest GDP counties and will be able to explicitly enshrine your right to an abortion in the Canada 2 constitution. You'll also be able to delete the second amendment and I guarantee we'll build a wall (west Germany style) around America 2 to keep ourselves out of your country :-)
 
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BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
Hopefully, I've won you over on my pro-balkanization perspective. You'll get all the highest GDP counties and will be able to explicitly enshrine your right to an abortion in the Canada 2 constitution. You'll also be able to delete the second amendment and I guarantee we'll build a wall (west Germany style) around America 2 to keep ourselves out of your country :-)
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I unironically loved Canada when I went there.

your snow is better than ours
 
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TheBigZee said:
Read about wellfare reform and it's legacy. Bill and Hillary clinton considered it the signature policy achievement of his presidency. HRC whipped.



You asked how abortion affected a woman who wouldn't have an abortion. I gave an example.

Also - Women aren't men. It's not an equal rights issue. Men cannot become pregnant, and Men have little choice post insemination about whether to become fathers.
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The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA) is a United States federal law passed by the 104th United States Congress and signed into law by President Bill Clinton. The bill implemented major changes to U.S. social welfare policy, replacing the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program with the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program.

The law was a cornerstone of the Republican Party's "Contract with America", and also fulfilled Clinton's campaign promise to "end welfare as we know it". AFDC had come under increasing criticism in the 1980s, especially from conservatives who argued that welfare recipients were "trapped in a cycle of poverty". After the 1994 elections, the Republican-controlled Congress passed two major bills designed to reform welfare, but they were vetoed by Clinton. After negotiations between Clinton and Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, Congress passed PRWORA, and Clinton signed the bill into law on August 22, 1996.

PRWORA granted states greater latitude in administering social welfare programs, and implemented new requirements on welfare recipients, including a five-year lifetime limit on benefits. After the passage of the law, the number of individuals receiving federal welfare dramatically declined. The law was heralded as a "re-assertion of America's work ethic" by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, largely in response to the bill's workfare component.
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interesting. it would seem that bill wanted to "end welfare as we know it" which is a weird way to phrase it, but that's definitely a thing. however, it obviously wasn't a one-sided thing, here, as it was the republicans who passed two bills to reform welfare, both of which were vetoed by clinton. it was after negotiations was it eventually passed and signed into law by bill. so no, you're not wrong, but there is, like everything else, a bit more nuance.

maybe i'm being retarded, as usual, but i don't understand your example about how one woman's abortion affects other women. like okay, i kinda see what you're going for, but... it doesn't really make sense?

but men do have the right to bodily autonomy, correct? should women not be afforded these same rights?
 
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