Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[TayandYou]

Chris gets time served for the misdemeanor with no extra restrictions or requirements and is released by September at the latest.

Very likely in my opinion.

He goes back to 14BC

Not so likely, if rumors regarding the state of the house is to be believed.

 

[SwanSwanson]

That's Chris. He's going to expect Null to go there with $1000 and ask Chris for forgiveness, and Isabella said she was sorry and makeup. (Chris still wants her fungus China)
I think after the leaks most leftists do not want to associate with a rapist (alledged).

They can make a half human half fungus monstrosity

How high is the chance that when he gets out he's going to demand a ps5 because "he wants to stay up to date with technology" and he "deserves it for his struggles", and lastly "he needs it for his divine mission"? Or do you think he'll try to buy one for himself and pretend it was gifted to him again?
I don't doubt he's going straight back to his old ways, hence the question.

The PS5 came out before Chris went to jail and he didn't whine about it then.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

OK, now that we're coming up on the court date at the year mark, lock in your predictions for how this plays out. I'll start:

(max cynical prediction)
Chris gets time served for the misdemeanor with no extra restrictions or requirements and is released by September at the latest. He goes back to 14BC (legally), and Tom & Harriet send Borb back to 14BC as well. I expect no one in the horrid state of Virginia to take responsibility and basically just want to wash their hands of dealing with both of them, and then they all just pray the tard stops blabbing to others about fucking his mother in their hoarder home, so that they don't have to get off their asses and intervene again.

Same. I had come under the thought that Chris would get time served with a misdemeanor, but with the added stipulation the he stay far away from Barb/14 BLC and stay in section 8 housing. I do wonder if the added charges that was claimed by the prosecutors would still be presented. Ideally, I was hoping that SOR would come into play, but I don't know since this is J&DR court. I predict that the only possible addition for the time served/misdemeanor would be monthly visits from a court appointed social worker. Chris simply cannot be trusted to live with someone like Barb.

 

[BigTubboWithLittleChina]

Speaking of food, there was a video Chris made for Jackie with him 'making' spaghetti and ate it sloppily. I wonder if Borb ever taught proper eating etiquette to Chris. I bet the motherfucker eats with his mouth open.

In fairness to Chris (odd words to write, I know), the transcript of that event makes it pretty clear that he was deliberately eating in a gross manner as his idea of comedy.

You want a bite? Look at this, you want a bite? Mm, very good, num. You better take a bite, because you know what? Watch this- watch this- you watchin'?

[Chris mashes his face into the spaghetti like a child and takes several disgusting bites, then emerges with sauce on his nose and chin. He holds out his arms and flashes a shit-eating grin, like he did something worth praising.]

Ta-da!

[Laughs. Wipes his face with a paper towel.]

I'm just kiddin'. I wouldn't do that to you for real life, huh-huh.

I mean, I still suspect that Chris's table manners would probably see him kicked out of the Ritz before he'd even got his fat arse properly settled in his chair, but I don't think that his eating routine in that video is typical of him, either.

 

[TayandYou]

Chris simply cannot be trusted to live with someone like Barb.

Even if Chris is allowed to return to the house, I doubt Tom & Harriet will let Barb return.

 

[A-№1]

They should be tired at pissing away tax money toward Chris.

Not just tired. Angry. And not just Republicans. All you kids who are paying into Social Security right now will NEVER receive any benefits from it. Chris is why.

Maybe they’ll try and ship Chris off to Abu Dhabi another state?

That happens a lot, actually. Generally they only send people they don't want to deal with to somewhere they have family. It's not very likely, but Cole could be in for an unpleasant surprise.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

That happens a lot, actually. Generally they only send people they don't want to deal with to somewhere they have family. It's not very likely, but Cole could be in for an unpleasant surprise.

It definitely sucks to be Chris (and Cole if that does end up happening).

 

[TayandYou]

That happens a lot, actually. Generally they only send people they don't want to deal with to somewhere they have family. It's not very likely, but Cole could be in for an unpleasant surprise.

Surely they can't force Cole to take him in? Cole doesn't give a shit about Chris so Chris will end up freezing to death on the streets of NYC.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Not just tired. Angry. And not just Republicans. All you kids who are paying into Social Security right now will NEVER receive any benefits from it. Chris is why.




That happens a lot, actually. Generally they only send people they don't want to deal with to somewhere they have family. It's not very likely, but Cole could be in for an unpleasant surprise.

1/3 Options

Group Home
Tard House
Nursing Home.

 

[A-№1]

It definitely sucks to be Chris (and Cole if that does end up happening).

It always sucks to be Chris. Because Chris. And Cole doesn't have to open the door. He can just sit all comfy in his easy chair, throwing money meant for Chris and Barb into the fire, and call the police: "There's some crazy person in cartoon pony drag yelling on my stoop. Something about being my brother? No idea. I never watch those cartoons. Can you please send someone by? Thanks."

Surely they can't force Cole to take him in?

They can't. But that doesn't mean they can't try.

Chris will end up freezing to death on the streets of NYC.

That's New York's problem, not Greene County's.

1/3 Options

Group Home
Tard House
Nursing Home.

4 - Streets.

Chris is going to cycle between managed care homes, jail, and the streets.

 

[TayandYou]

Something about being my brother?

You mean new stepfather?

 

[A-№1]

You mean new stepfather?

Wait. What? Did Chris claim he "married" Barb in some bizarre CWCville fantasy cope?

 

[TayandYou]

Wait. What? Did Chris claim he "married" Barb in some bizarre CWCville fantasy cope?

I was just making a joke about the incest.

But now that you bring that up, it's possible. Didn't Chris write in one of the new letters that he has a harem which has too many members for him to list? For all we know Barb might be a harem member.

 

[Ophelia]

Chris delivered to Cole’s stoop in a large wicker basket wearing a baby bonnet and a onesie.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

...and Tom & Harriet send Borb back to 14BC as well.

I'm a firm believer that Barb's in some sort of home or managed care living situation. Harriet and Uncle Tom are both pretty old as is, and their house is pretty small. Barb would only get a tiny guest room according to Zillow's tour. Virginia has a half decent placement service for elderly people who have been victims and I imagine getting raped by Chris Chan would get you on that list pretty easily. As dependent as she was with Chris, being in a home would be an enormous blessing. She can demand all she wants and unless really ornery, will get waited on 24/7. Even if her pet tard came home, fresh out of the clink, hepped up on Jesus, I doubt Barb would choose that over a home or something similar.

 

[A-№1]

I was just making a joke about the incest.

Ah. Well you never know with Chris.

Didn't Chris write in one of the new letters that he has a harem which has too many members for him to list? For all we know Barb might be a harem member.

She probably is. Which makes soul bonding her perfectly good and legal. The courts just don't understand and are full of meanies kicking the autistic. Obviously.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Same. I had come under the thought that Chris would get time served with a misdemeanor, but with the added stipulation the he stay far away from Barb/14 BLC and stay in section 8 housing. I do wonder if the added charges that was claimed by the prosecutors would still be presented. Ideally, I was hoping that SOR would come into play, but I don't know since this is J&DR court. I predict that the only possible addition for the time served/misdemeanor would be monthly visits from a court appointed social worker. Chris simply cannot be trusted to live with someone like Barb.

It depends. If it's just one charge, they can't really enforce anything as a result of his actions if he is convicted of a misdemeanor, as he has already been zapped to the extreme. Him staying away from 14BC can't be enforced as part of his punishment.

So basically imagine that Chris was never convicted of anything, *that* stuff can be enforced. If Barb can request a protective order, or the government allows someone to be her guardian (basically stripping away all of her self-determination, so they have complete control over her life like she was a small child), then they can add a protective order on her behalf.

They are required to assign him a social worker, but Chris can't be compelled to see them. They can give him housing but he can just walk out of it. They can't throw Chris back in jail just for exercising his rights. He's done his time, so all they can do is give him a fine.

If he commits a crime again, they can of course send him to jail on new charges.

Keep doing court searches on him to see if he's thrown into Circuit Court, that changes everything and they can force him into some extreme plea deals or into prison if Chris doesn't play ball.

Now, if they can prove that Chris was guilty of multiple acts at multiple times, they *can* stack them consecutively, though I don't see how they could prove that unless Barb provides testimony that multiple acts occurred on multiple days.

Remember that the act of masturbating Barb without refusal of consent is not a crime, so they would have to prove that the illegal stuff happened more than once. Furthermore for all these things, they must provide more evidence than Chris' admission outside of court. If Chris told Barb *before or during* the act that he was "healing" her, then it would be a crime if Chris did not receive explicit consent for the act. The "healing" charge however is a hard felony and J&DR cannot prosecute it. In the unlikely event that they have evidence for that, then they could just be threatening Chris with a felony to get him to plea guilty to other things, but he can't plead guilty to the healing charge in J&DR.

All of these things would be debatable as part of the plea bargain, so if they have good evidence (not just Chris' admission), they could demand that Chris plead guilty to multiple acts on more than one occasion for multiple charges to avoid a felony charge, and then have the sentences be served consecutively, with the period after one year suspended. In this situation they could add further restrictions on his behavior.

If they have shit evidence but it was good enough to convince the judge that there was probable cause, and Chris' attorney has decided that it is shit evidence and they could win in court against multiple charges, then they could just be keeping Chris in jail for a year and then dropping the charges. Chris could not sue for that though because in civil court there is no presumption of innocence.

Fortunately (for Chris) he did not specify what was happening "every 3 days", so Barb would have to under oath say that Chris put his duck or tongue in every 3 days, not him just massaging her china (consensually).

So, if there are multiple charges for multiple acts, and the plea deal includes pleading guilty to those multiple charges, then they *can* impose further restrictions on Chris and suspend the consecutive sentences. It depends on what evidence the prosecution has (beyond Chris' bragging about it) and what plea deal the defense is willing to accept.

EDIT: *Usually* courts at the district level do concurrent sentences, but in this case they might make an exception to control Chris. I've mostly been thinking about this as a single incest charge as what would be an acceptable plea deal to Heilberg. In retrospect this was a naive assumption on my part. Thinking about it more I realize that they might pretty much demand that Chris plead guilty to multiple charges just to get Chris to behave.

EDIT 2: Just to be clear, the oral and vaginal acts would be considered two separate acts, but it might be enough to appeal to cause an extra headache for the prosecution.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

So, if there are multiple charges for multiple acts, and the plea deal includes pleading guilty to those multiple charges, then they *can* impose further restrictions on Chris and suspend the consecutive sentences. It depends on what evidence the prosecution has (beyond Chris' bragging about it) and what plea deal the defense is willing to accept.

EDIT: *Usually* courts at the district level do concurrent sentences, but in this case they might make an exception to control Chris. I've mostly been thinking about this as a single incest charge as what would be an acceptable plea deal to Heilberg. In retrospect this was a naive assumption on my part. Thinking about it more I realize that they might pretty much demand that Chris plead guilty to multiple charges just to get Chris to behave.

What kind of terms would be likely in a suspended sentence?

If it’s staying away from his old home or Barb I can’t imagine Chris would be willing or able to resist.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

What kind of terms would be likely in a suspended sentence?

If it’s staying away from his old home or Barb I can’t imagine Chris would be willing or able to resist.

If they think that's an issue they could move him far away from 14BC, and give him an ankle monitor. Or if a conservator works out the payments, they could put him in 14BC and give him an ankle monitor.

They can force him to stay away from Barb.

If they sentence him consecutively on multiple charges, they could threaten him with more jail time if he breaks the terms of his probation.

It all depends on what the prosecution is threatening, and what the defense is willing to accept, and what they think a judge would be willing to sentence Chris to (remember that a judge has to agree that a punishment is reasonable, and if it goes to a bench trial then it's entirely up to the judge), or if the prosecution even has enough evidence to prove anything.

It depends on what they found in the wellness check and if Barb is willing to throw Chris under the bus. They could just be keeping Chris in jail on probable cause rather than intending to convict him (remember, Chris' admissions alone are only probable cause, but not enough for conviction). Maybe they have a little bit of evidence but aren't 100% confident that it will stand up in trial.

When this is over, somebody needs to contact the court clerk to at least get the results -- I don't think they'll keep that sealed. Chris himself will probably tell us something, but Chris sucks at understanding the justice system and is also unreliable.

In terms of internet restrictions, it would be hard to justify that given that none of Chris' crimes involved the internet.

I'm very curious what "great sacrifice" Chris is talking about.

EDIT: If Barb has not thrown Chris under the bus, the oral part would be almost impossible to prove. If they found used condoms and found tearing in Barb's vagina, they might be able to get a conviction on vaginal but not be confident in their ability to secure a conviction on the oral stuff. Maybe they're threatening to upgrade the vaginal to a felony if Chris doesn't play ball, but will keep it as misdemeanors if Chris is willing to plead guilty to both charges, or plead guilty to multiple counts of fucking Barb.

They have to prove two things -- that the crime happened and that Chris was the person who did it. Chris' confessions are only useful as proof that Chris did it if they can prove that it happened at all.

Chris' confessions can *strengthen* evidence that a crime happened, but by themselves they are not evidence that a crime happened. Chris could confess that he fucked Patti, or that he raped Bob, but there is no way to prove that the crime actually happened (unless Barb testified that she witnessed it, which would be weak(ish) evidence by itself, but would become stronger evidence if Chris also confessed to it).

 

[ScaliasGhost]

It depends. If it's just one charge, they can't really enforce anything as a result of his actions if he is convicted of a misdemeanor, as he has already been zapped to the extreme. Him staying away from 14BC can't be enforced as part of his punishment.

So basically imagine that Chris was never convicted of anything, *that* stuff can be enforced. If Barb can request a protective order, or the government allows someone to be her guardian (basically stripping away all of her self-determination, so they have complete control over her life like she was a small child), then they can add a protective order on her behalf.

They are required to assign him a social worker, but Chris can't be compelled to see them. They can give him housing but he can just walk out of it. They can't throw Chris back in jail just for exercising his rights. He's done his time, so all they can do is give him a fine.

If he commits a crime again, they can of course send him to jail on new charges.

Keep doing court searches on him to see if he's thrown into Circuit Court, that changes everything and they can force him into some extreme plea deals or into prison if Chris doesn't play ball.

Now, if they can prove that Chris was guilty of multiple acts at multiple times, they *can* stack them consecutively, though I don't see how they could prove that unless Barb provides testimony that multiple acts occurred on multiple days.

Remember that the act of masturbating Barb without refusal of consent is not a crime, so they would have to prove that the illegal stuff happened more than once. Furthermore for all these things, they must provide more evidence than Chris' admission outside of court. If Chris told Barb *before or during* the act that he was "healing" her, then it would be a crime if Chris did not receive explicit consent for the act. The "healing" charge however is a hard felony and J&DR cannot prosecute it. In the unlikely event that they have evidence for that, then they could just be threatening Chris with a felony to get him to plea guilty to other things, but he can't plead guilty to the healing charge in J&DR.

All of these things would be debatable as part of the plea bargain, so if they have good evidence (not just Chris' admission), they could demand that Chris plead guilty to multiple acts on more than one occasion for multiple charges to avoid a felony charge, and then have the sentences be served consecutively, with the period after one year suspended. In this situation they could add further restrictions on his behavior.

If they have shit evidence but it was good enough to convince the judge that there was probable cause, and Chris' attorney has decided that it is shit evidence and they could win in court against multiple charges, then they could just be keeping Chris in jail for a year and then dropping the charges. Chris could not sue for that though because in civil court there is no presumption of innocence.

Fortunately (for Chris) he did not specify what was happening "every 3 days", so Barb would have to under oath say that Chris put his duck or tongue in every 3 days, not him just massaging her china (consensually).

So, if there are multiple charges for multiple acts, and the plea deal includes pleading guilty to those multiple charges, then they *can* impose further restrictions on Chris and suspend the consecutive sentences. It depends on what evidence the prosecution has (beyond Chris' bragging about it) and what plea deal the defense is willing to accept.

EDIT: *Usually* courts at the district level do concurrent sentences, but in this case they might make an exception to control Chris. I've mostly been thinking about this as a single incest charge as what would be an acceptable plea deal to Heilberg. In retrospect this was a naive assumption on my part. Thinking about it more I realize that they might pretty much demand that Chris plead guilty to multiple charges just to get Chris to behave.

EDIT 2: Just to be clear, the oral and vaginal acts would be considered two separate acts, but it might be enough to appeal to cause an extra headache for the prosecution.

What's the status on the violation of the protective order for taking that money from Barbs account? IIRC that was never charged (could be wrong though) they might be able to hang charges on that over his head as well.