The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

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No, I don't think we should shame someone for having sex. That's stupid puritanical stuff, and it's attitudes like this why I call you guys puritanical boomers.
Kind of ironic as you have no problem forcing everyone to get the clown shot over a little cough, but when it comes to people having less anonymous sex with multiple new partners to prevent AIDS, monkeypox, and unwanted pregnancies you're suddenly all "hurr durr you're all puritans, hands off my aids sex"
 
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People that larp as the handmaiden stuff secretly want to get tied up and to be held down by republican man Cletus' wife while he thrusts his heated, veiny, and throbbing MAGA cock deep into their womanhood.

It's like whenever AOC goes schizo about conservatives and her Pocahontas pussy
 
This is what actually drives me bananas about the Handmaid cosplayers. It just kicked the issue back to the states on legal authority grounds, and they're acting like it was some theocratic directive.
What if government is their daddy God?
 
This is what actually drives me bananas about the Handmaid cosplayers. It just kicked the issue back to the states on legal authority grounds, and they're acting like it was some theocratic directive.
Gentile reminder for those unaware, Devon Stack has watched and reviewed Handmaid's Tale so you do not have to.
 
A 66% national majority transcends politics. The implication is that 220 million Americans agree with something, and you can't paint 220 million people into any specific corner.

This is a false number though. The average person has no fucking clue what Roe v Wade actually means, other than "the abortion thing".

Take a poll and ask people if they support elective abortions at 38 weeks, and tell me what percent you get. My guess is maybe 20%. The fact is there is really no difference between a 38 week fetus and a newborn baby. So most Democrats won't even support that, and it's essentially infanticide at that point.

So that means 80%+ of people support some sort of restrictions on abortion. The question is, where do you draw the line? Conception, 24 weeks, 40 weeks?
 
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'We can't let these (anti-abortion) lunatics change the way things are done around here,' rock musician Frank Zappa told a rally of more than 20,000 people in Los Angeles. 'Anti-choice is anti-American. If you lose this one, you'll lose America.

That's a famous event.

Zappa was booed off the stage for saying being anti-abortion is "anti-American," because he still thought it was Abbie Hoffman days, when in Democratic reality the time of the patriotic dissident had already passed.
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Old timey equivalent of Eminem doing an anti-Trump rap, which just proved that he's old and watches too much TV.
 
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That's a famous event.

Zappa was booed off the stage for saying being anti-abortion is "anti-American," because he still thought it was Abbie Hoffman days, when in Democratic reality the time of the patriotic dissident had already passed.


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Old timey equivalent of Eminem doing an anti-Trump rap, which just proved that he's old and watches too much TV.
Bruh this article was on him giving a speech to a pro-choice rally full of feminists who agreed with him. He wasn't "booed off the stage" for being pro-choice at that event. Although it's true he was pretty vocal about his hatred of religious policing of casual sex. As are a lot of disaffected Catholics.
 
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You are forcing pregnant women to have birth, though. What do you think removing their choice for an abortion is doing? Not only that, but you refuse to want to pay for it. I've pointed out your hypocrisy, so unless you have new talking points or an actual defense about your pathetic hypocrisy we're done.

Ironic that the guy strawmanning me is accusing me of strawmanning :story:
It's not hypocritical to be pro-life and oppose taxpayer funding of abortions. Just because someone is against abortion doesn't mean they don't believe in a woman's right to choose; it just means they don't believe the government should be involved in such a personal decision. And as far as paying for it goes, there are plenty of private organizations that provide financial assistance for women seeking abortions - so again, this isn't about taking away anyone's choices or rights, but rather about where public funds should be spent (and most people would agree that taxpayers shouldn't foot the bill for something they morally object to).
 
I was watching a news story about a woman who kept getting pregnant, secretly giving birth in her home, smothering the babies as soon as they came out, wrapping up their bodies, and hiding them in her cluttered garage from her family. She wasn't a minor doing this in her parents home, she had two kids, and admitted one of them was only alive because she couldn't hide the pregnancy quick enough. For transparency, the lady was a meth head with a baby daddy in prison, but apparently she was a decent mom from what her living kids say. The dead babies were discovered and she's in prison, and her explanation was something along the lines of 'I knew I couldn't give them a good life. It was better this way.'

Pretty grim shit. I went to the comments of the video and there were a ton who were chastising the woman for mercilessly killing the babies, yet also saying 'this is why women need better access to abortion, then this wouldn't have happened!'

I'm pretty uncomfortable on the subject of abortion (I'm neither a feminist nor a handmaiden, I'm not really sure where I 100% stand) but this baffled me. So, it's only baby murder because they were outside her body for a few seconds? How is this truly different from abortion? She knew the consequences of unprotected sex but kept doing it anyway, knowing she would get pregnant and what she would end up doing. If she had a way of killing them right before they came out, or right before labor, should she be a free woman?

Thoughts?

The fact that the morality of the situation for those comments I read simply hinged on the location and timing of the killings disturbed me. As though if she was just going to an abortion clinic there would be nothing wrong with this.

I was born into a pretty shitty, inconvenient situation and my mom could have 100% aborted my ass but I'm grateful she didn't. Part of the pro-choice abortion debate that makes me squirm is claiming that the aborted kids in shitty situations are better off, but how could anyone know? How do you know that they're being subjected to a life of pain and misery and they're just better off dead? Maybe the mother will figure her shit out and try to provide a good life for her kid. Maybe the kid will end up making a good life for themselves. I've been thinking about this a lot due to all the debating going on. Don't rip my head off.
 
Just because someone is against abortion doesn't mean they don't believe in a woman's right to choose; it just means they don't believe the government should be involved in such a personal decision.
lol no. They do believe that the government should be involved, otherwise they wouldn't support banning it.
 
lol no. They do believe that the government should be involved, otherwise they wouldn't support banning it.
What is the difference between an elective abortion at 38 weeks or ending the life of a newborn, in your mind?

Not trying to be combative, just can't ever get a straight answer from people.
 
Seizures in the womb= life affirming?

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This is what actually drives me bananas about the Handmaid cosplayers. It just kicked the issue back to the states on legal authority grounds, and they're acting like it was some theocratic directive.
I unironically thought you were going to say "they look like ketchup bottles".
 
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What is the difference between an elective abortion at 38 weeks or ending the life of a newborn, in your mind?

Not trying to be combative, just can't ever get a straight answer from people.
There's no such thing as an "elective" abortion at 38 weeks. At that point, it's either A) already dead or B) going to die, so labor is induced to allow the baby to pass peacefully. You people are so uneducated it's hilarious.

But my real reason for dropping by is to post this:

As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure


Now I want to see you idiots justify why this traumatized ten year old rape victim should be forced to give birth. Doesn't her life matter?
 
There's no such thing as an "elective" abortion at 38 weeks. At that point, it's either A) already dead or B) going to die, so labor is induced to allow the baby to pass peacefully. You people are so uneducated it's hilarious.

But my real reason for dropping by is to post this:

As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure


Now I want to see you idiots justify why this traumatized ten year old rape victim should be forced to give birth. Doesn't her life matter?
>doesn't her life matter?

What race is it?
 
But my real reason for dropping by is to post this:

As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure


Now I want to see you idiots justify why this traumatized ten year old rape victim should be forced to give birth. Doesn't her life matter?
So you base this on one story from a fringe leftist activist doctor who also runs an abortion business. Fun fact, Dr Caitlin Bernard also railed against pregnant people getting an ultrasound because it might dissuade them from getting an abortion.
 
There's no such thing as an "elective" abortion at 38 weeks. At that point, it's either A) already dead or B) going to die, so labor is induced to allow the baby to pass peacefully. You people are so uneducated it's hilarious.

That's incorrect.

A woman can get an abortion at any stage of pregnancy, for any reason in the following states/territories:

Alaska
Colorado
New Jersey
New Mexico
Oregon
Puerto Rico
Vermont
Virginia
Washington D.C.

Can you explain why you think elective abortions beyond the stage of viability should be allowed?
 
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