Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

[Felis Meanis]

Look, if you're not attractive, try to date someone who is not attractive. Level the playing field.

If dating according to your station was a viable solution, then this would have been the obvious solution, and you wouldn't have such an explosion of people in contemporary society, men and women alike, who bitches and moans about the other gender's unwillingness to entertain them as viable candidates for smooching and wooing.

Do you honestly believe that your typical modern woman, no matter whether she's just another normie feminist or a purple-haired landwhale, considers lowering their standards to be acceptable? With the current dynamic of dating? In ye olden times natural selection would do its job, much to the benefit and betterment of mankind, yet now you have an entire generation of women who considers themselves to be far better specimen of people than they actually are, and society at large, with its gynocentric proclivities, cheers them on in their delusions of what reasonably should and shouldn't be. No wonder you have so many harpies at 40 years old who breaks down on social media when they realize that their best days as far as dating goes is behind them, and that their younger sisters are now at the helm of the rudder — sisters they claim to love but secretly hate. Society lied to them, and they paid the price, not only to their detriment, but certainly to the men who'd have liked to date them as well.

Women are masters at solipsism. Their truth is the truth, and no amount of mansplaining will change that. This attitude shows, with the increasing amount of sexless but otherwise perfectly good boys and men choosing other paths in life than an entirely meaningless and boorish endeavour of courting some woman who just as well might cheat on him at a whim with the better prospect who showed her interest on some dating app, only to pump and dump her at their leisure. Hypergamy and gynocentrism, combined with technology that has allowed these womanly attributes to flourish, is what has led to the current miserable state of relationship between men and women, not some patriarchal conspiracy to overthrow downtrodden yet brave and strong willed women who just wants their share of the pie.

It’s like they want a meatpuppet.

Dumb. Men just don't want cunts who overly complicates the inherently uncomplicated, and discards accountability and reason in favor of being needlessly bothersome and histrionic. It certainly doesn't help that mainstream culture encourages women to mewl and moan about every single thing that could be regarded as an inconvenience, and insists that its all the fault of men who just won't give them a break. Nothing will turn off a man faster than a bossy, sassy young lass with an inflated sense of worth, which unfortunately would describe much of what women offer on the smorgasbord these days.

Men in general have very modest standards: don't cheat, keep yourself reasonably hygienic and dressed, and don't be a bitching twat constantly complaining about the British Empire's colonization at the dinner table every chance you get, and the prospects for a successful relationship is suddenly remarkably higher.

 

[Dreamer]

If dating according to your station was a viable solution, then this would have been the obvious solution, and you wouldn't have such an explosion of people in contemporary society, men and women alike, who bitches and moans about the other gender's unwillingness to entertain them as viable candidates for smooching and wooing.

Do you honestly believe that your typical modern woman, no matter whether she's just another normie feminist or a purple-haired landwhale, considers lowering their standards to be acceptable? With the current dynamic of dating? In ye olden times natural selection would do its job, much to the benefit and betterment of mankind, yet now you have an entire generation of women who considers themselves to be far better specimen of people than they actually are, and society at large, with its gynocentric proclivities, cheers them on in their delusions of what reasonably should and shouldn't be. No wonder you have so many harpies at 40 years old who breaks down on social media and realizes that their younger sisters are now at the helm of the rudder — sisters they claim to love but secretly hate. Society lied to them, and they paid the price, not to only their detriment, but certainly to the men who'd have liked to date them as well.

Women are masters as solipsism. Their truth is the truth, and no amount of mansplaining will change that. This attitude shows, with the increasing amount of sexless but otherwise perfectly good boys and men choosing other paths in life than an entirely meaningless and boorish endeavour of courting some woman who just as well might cheat on him at a whim with the better prospect who showed her interest on some dating app, only to pump and dump her at their leisure. Hypergamy and gynocentrism, combined with technology that has allowed these womanly attributes to flourish, is what has led to the current miserable state of relationship between men and women, not some patriarchal conspiracy to overthrow downtrodden yet brave and strong willed women who just wants their share of the pie.

Dumb. Men just don't want cunts who overly complicates the inherently uncomplicated, and discards accountability and reason in favor of being needlessly bothersome and histrionic. It certainly doesn't help that mainstream culture encourages women to mewl and moan about every single thing that could be regarded as an inconvenience, and insists that its all the fault of men who just won't give them a break. Nothing will turn off a man faster than a bossy, sassy young lass with an inflated sense of worth, which unfortunately would describe much of what women offer on the smorgasbord these days.

Men in general have very modest standards: don't cheat, keep yourself reasonably hygienic and dressed, and don't be a bitching twat constantly complaining about the British Empire's colonization at the dinner table every chance you get, and the prospects for a successful relationship is suddenly remarkably higher.

Didnt read, past the first few words but if by your own admissin there are incels in both men and women then it can be inferred that theyre both unwilling to settle for one another and instead chase after people way above their league. Or just wallow in misery inventing boogemen.

Stop coping with Sjews, theyre a vocal minority. When i see incels do thos it just reeks of them being completely unwilling to date anyone with even slightly differing oppinions.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

If dating according to your station was a viable solution, then this would have been the obvious solution, and you wouldn't have such an explosion of people in contemporary society, men and women alike, who bitches and moans about the other gender's unwillingness to entertain them as viable candidates for smooching and wooing.

Do you honestly believe that your typical modern woman, no matter whether she's just another normie feminist or a purple-haired landwhale, considers lowering their standards to be acceptable? With the current dynamic of dating? In ye olden times natural selection would do its job, much to the benefit and betterment of mankind, yet now you have an entire generation of women who considers themselves to be far better specimen of people than they actually are, and society at large, with its gynocentric proclivities, cheers them on in their delusions of what reasonably should and shouldn't be. No wonder you have so many harpies at 40 years old who breaks down on social media and realizes that their younger sisters are now at the helm of the rudder — sisters they claim to love but secretly hate. Society lied to them, and they paid the price, not to only their detriment, but certainly to the men who'd have liked to date them as well.

Women are masters as solipsism. Their truth is the truth, and no amount of mansplaining will change that. This attitude shows, with the increasing amount of sexless but otherwise perfectly good boys and men choosing other paths in life than an entirely meaningless and boorish endeavour of courting some woman who just as well might cheat on him at a whim with the better prospect who showed her interest on some dating app, only to pump and dump her at their leisure. Hypergamy and gynocentrism, combined with technology that has allowed these womanly attributes to flourish, is what has led to the current miserable state of relationship between men and women, not some patriarchal conspiracy to overthrow downtrodden yet brave and strong willed women who just wants their share of the pie.

Dumb. Men just don't want cunts who overly complicates the inherently uncomplicated, and discards accountability and reason in favor of being needlessly bothersome and histrionic. It certainly doesn't help that mainstream culture encourages women to mewl and moan about every single thing that could be regarded as an inconvenience, and insists that its all the fault of men who just won't give them a break. Nothing will turn off a man faster than a bossy, sassy young lass with an inflated sense of worth, which unfortunately would describe much of what women offer on the smorgasbord these days.

Men in general have very modest standards: don't cheat, keep yourself reasonably hygienic and dressed, and don't be a bitching twat constantly complaining about the British Empire's colonization at the dinner table every chance you get, and the prospects for a successful relationship is suddenly remarkably higher.

Based

 

[FeatherPlucker]

This thread is a sausage fest.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

If dating according to your station was a viable solution, then this would have been the obvious solution, and you wouldn't have such an explosion of people in contemporary society, men and women alike, who bitches and moans about the other gender's unwillingness to entertain them as viable candidates for smooching and wooing.

Do you honestly believe that your typical modern woman, no matter whether she's just another normie feminist or a purple-haired landwhale, considers lowering their standards to be acceptable? With the current dynamic of dating? In ye olden times natural selection would do its job, much to the benefit and betterment of mankind, yet now you have an entire generation of women who considers themselves to be far better specimen of people than they actually are, and society at large, with its gynocentric proclivities, cheers them on in their delusions of what reasonably should and shouldn't be. No wonder you have so many harpies at 40 years old who breaks down on social media and realizes that their younger sisters are now at the helm of the rudder — sisters they claim to love but secretly hate. Society lied to them, and they paid the price, not to only their detriment, but certainly to the men who'd have liked to date them as well.

Women are masters as solipsism. Their truth is the truth, and no amount of mansplaining will change that. This attitude shows, with the increasing amount of sexless but otherwise perfectly good boys and men choosing other paths in life than an entirely meaningless and boorish endeavour of courting some woman who just as well might cheat on him at a whim with the better prospect who showed her interest on some dating app, only to pump and dump her at their leisure. Hypergamy and gynocentrism, combined with technology that has allowed these womanly attributes to flourish, is what has led to the current miserable state of relationship between men and women, not some patriarchal conspiracy to overthrow downtrodden yet brave and strong willed women who just wants their share of the pie.

Dumb. Men just don't want cunts who overly complicates the inherently uncomplicated, and discards accountability and reason in favor of being needlessly bothersome and histrionic. It certainly doesn't help that mainstream culture encourages women to mewl and moan about every single thing that could be regarded as an inconvenience, and insists that its all the fault of men who just won't give them a break. Nothing will turn off a man faster than a bossy, sassy young lass with an inflated sense of worth, which unfortunately would describe much of what women offer on the smorgasbord these days.

Men in general have very modest standards: don't cheat, keep yourself reasonably hygienic and dressed, and don't be a bitching twat constantly complaining about the British Empire's colonization at the dinner table every chance you get, and the prospects for a successful relationship is suddenly remarkably higher.

The fact you talk like this is precisely why you are maidenless.

 

[Felis Meanis]

The fact you talk like this is precisely why you are maidenless.

Nice try, Varré.

 

[Heckler1]

There are definitely guys out there who just don't have much in the way of prospects, just due to where they live or a condition they may have. There is also guys who constantly make self fulfilling prophecies because it's easier on their ego to shit themselves and do nothing rather than get shot down before you find someone to settle with. Because everyone settles to some degree because life is pain. Anyone telling you otherwise is trying to sell you something.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Do you have irl male friends? Not to be rude but you’re overthinking conversation way too much. Just talk to them like you talk to your friends, and test the waters by flirting a little bit to see if she’s interested. If you don’t have male friends, work on that first. Trying to go from internet nofriends autist -> girlfriend while skipping a male social circle of your own is a herculean task and setting yourself up for failure.

t. kissless sperg all throughout high school until I turned off my computer and went outside. You can’t manifest a relationship in your bedroom, you have to go outside and shoot your shot. If I can do it you can too.

Not all male social circles are equal, either. My friends from college were really fun to be around but were spergs, they didn't date. Some of my "friends" now are socially well-adjusted, but they show no interest in helping anybody but themselves.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

This thread is a sausage fest.

It's better than a clam party

 

[Biggusstickus]

This thread is a sausage fest.

Lets be honest, its a dick flinging contest.

 

[White Pride Worldwide]

Inceldom is something you don't have control over but to escape inceldom requires plastic surgery as well as weight lifting. A lot of incels get shit on for something every man is currently struggling with due to social media allowing women to have a lot more access to higher quality men than before social media existed.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I dunno, maybe that's enough for some. But to me it'd all ring hollow, because you know it's not real.

How profoundly fucked is our society when the most common fantasy of many men is to be loved and appreciated?

That's the reason hostess clubs in Japan exist. In the US most clubs are tailored towards people who want to knock back a few beers and see some ass and titties, but in Weeaboo Heaven they are centered more around companionship, as fake as it is. Host clubs for lonely women exist as well, same thing but the sexes are reversed.

Don't generalize things so much, thinking this way leads to dark places.
It would be more useful for you to look at women as many different groups, instead of just one.
If you're running into women who are narcissistic it might be because you're consistently going for that type of woman, you could try your luck with someone else, a different type if you will.
For an instance if you look for women on tinder you're predominately going to find the type that uses tinder, which is usually not good.
Go to a social event or something, maybe something that interests you but you never tried before, strike a few conversations there, fuck around and see what happens. Just try to go there to have fun first and find chicks second.

Or don't. Use that time to develop yourself as a person. Pressure to be in a relationship is usually a good deterrent for relationships. Man i feel like Sam hyde, shit.

Online dating is often a bad joke, Tinder more so. Unless you're a certain type you're probably going to be swiping for a while. I've tried it myself but it never goes anywhere, so I uninstalled it and never went back. Best decision I ever made.

the supreme court is about to give incels something to crow over.

They're gonna end gay marriage? Well they're trapped in the closet anyway so it'll make no difference.

It’s the opposite. Lolcows’ maladaptive behavior has become so extreme that they are able to differentiate themselves and find partners. Pretty much every lolcow on here has either had sex or has had the opportunity to have sex.
Incels are certainly maladaptive, but not enough to be easily recognizable; they’re stuck in an uncanny valley-esque state where they are awkward such that normal people are turned off, but not awkward enough to truly stand out amongst said normal people.
This is why, ironically, incel shooters get the most female attention AFTER they do fucked up shit.


Stop using dating apps. The type of woman you meet on there will inevitably disappoint you. The only way to meet girls who are worth dating is through mutual friends and/or hobbies. It’s increasingly difficult (especially if your local area has been shut down due to rona) but not impossible. However it does take significant effort and time, which could be better spent elsewhere in lots of cases.

Dating apps are useless trash, especially because many of them try to shove politics into everything. I've personally witnessed this on one I will not name due to power leveling risk. And meeting women in your hobby circle can be next to impossible, if it is a heavily male dominated space. Not many women, let alone attractive ones, are likely to want to talk about the computer you built, your D&D homebrew, or your miniature army of Catholic Space Nazis.

This is autistic people who can't get laid giving advice to other autistic people who can't get laid. The idea that this is what someone actually says and other people take seriously is lolcow teir shit.

It reads like twelve-year-olds speculating about how to get into an R-rated movie.

It's the dating advice equivalent of shecameforcwc.jpg

Where are you supposed to meet people IRL if you don't have many friends? Find clubs or something? Is that what you meant by 'meet ups'?

You found or join a fight club. But do not talk about fight club. Do not talk about fight club.

Then you beat the crap out of other guys in the arena and beautiful women who are horny for you will magically fall out of the sky.

Going to PL a bit because I do want some advice. Met a woman who I think is decent at a social gathering recently, she's very Catholic and we've discussed faith and such, I have her phone number. Dry texter, but that's to be expected. I think she likes me as an acquaintance currently. My question is, how does one balance being present and being distant? I do not like intruding on others personal boundaries, but on the other hand I have to be very present in order to get to know her better. How do I balance these two things and what signs can I look for to see if I'm treading too far or not?

Tell her that you worship Satan and want to invite her to your temple to indulge in various earthly pleasures.

I'd argue it's an inherent problem created by the internet and social media, actually.

Suddenly you're not competing with all the lads in your class for a date with Suzy. Now you're competing with every dude in the state, sometimes even country. And if you do get lucky and date her then you'd best watch your back; now all those men are there in case you do anything wrong whatsoever.

And even worse, she has much better options than you and will likely monkeybranch to another guy as soon as the opportunity presents itself. It really does seem pointless once you really think about it.

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From an outsider's perspective, some people's lives look picture perfect. Like the star athlete who has the attention of the school's female student population, the trust fund kid on his way to a prestigious university, etc. They really do think of human social dynamics in the aspect of high school castes. Now don't get me wrong there are adult equivalents, I have known a few, but getting out into the world does make you realize it's all bullshit. Sure, you might meet an adult woman who wouldn't be interested in you if you weren't popular in school, but fuck school, and fuck that hoe. Self-improvement is masturbation though, especially if you're doing it to try to fit what you think society's ideals of a "sexually attractive man" are.

It's a lot easier to be an incel in some country where you can't get a hooker, imo. If you want sex where I live, get some money and buy it. Or earn a wage and attract it the normal way. I used to be a nearly mute kid with abysmal social skills, an autist, etc. and I still managed to figure out how to act normal and get laid. So I don't buy this incel stuff as a movement or a condition. If you can buy sex you don't have to be involuntarily celibate, so you either want validation from women or you want a meaningful relationship, both of which are possible if you want it that bad...
There's always focus on immutable characteristics like height, or bone structure and not the things they have the power to change. I'm a 5'5" manlet who looks like Brad Dourif stuck in a hedge, and I do okay. Incel as a label sounds like defeatism and whining, or just some group to belong to, to me. Maybe that's what they want, I dunno.

Prostitution doesn't validate their egos though. They want someone to be attracted to them for literally no reason (or for a reason but we all know that's never going to happen)

I thought incels were big on the whole state sanctioned girlfriends?

Fantastic, more places for the government to shove it's cock and balls into.

Most incels are left-wing, tbh. They advocate for state-mandated gf's and shit. They're just a lot more openly racist/sexist/ect than your average leftoid

They're sexual Marxists, in that they want to...seize the means of reproduction.

People who aren't confident get called absolutely nothing, because nobody remembers them. Confidence is just noticeability, in the same way that celebrities get laid - it's not the fact that they're attractive or impressive, it's the fact that they're noticed by a great many people.

It is largely a numbers game, and when you're not very attractive or noticeable in a positive way, it definitely reduces your chances. If you're looking for someone who's actually quality in some way, and you're a socially inept sperg, that's going to screw up your chances a lot.

I said something to this effect once and got accused of being a snob/unreasonable.

I have found that lots of men have no standard for a woman beyond being nice and pretty, and having a mind of their own is an actual turnoff to them. It’s like if nice guys were actually successful, and then genderflipped. It’s like they want a meatpuppet.

They have no idea what they want because they have no experience other than maybe a slice of life anime?

In my experience I think this is very true. I'm very comfortable with public speaking, have always given good speeches/presentations with lots of extemporaneous parts and humor in them. I don't feel near as comfortable socializing with strangers, but I can do it. Will talk to complete strangers more readily than I think most people of my generation do. But in a flirting situation I feel both completely uninterested and have no idea what to do. The only flirting that comes naturally to me is teasing, which a friend suggested might mean I’d actually do better with confident/energetic women which was a surprise to me but could be true. I haven’t actually asked a woman out in something like five years but only recall two interactions in that time where one seemed particularly approachable. Mostly I’ll mentally latch on to a particular woman but then do nothing about it.

And as regards self improvement, aside from fitness which is the one thing that could make a really big difference in my life, I feel like I’m very well rounded compared to most people and I fill my day up with productive things, I have a competitive career, but I don’t think people really give a shit about any of that junk besides somebody having a job, by and large people don’t give a fuck about hobbies outside of a narrow range of Things Everybody Likes. That’s assuming you get to the point of discussing stuff in the first place.

People think you have to become Arnold Schwarzenegger in the gym to get laid via fitness but that's not necessarily true. "If she liked fit guys in high school, I'll have more muscles than them and get even more chicks" is some magical thinking that occurs within those circles. Reality is most of the forever alone gym bros don't end up attracting women even if they're built like Ronnie Coleman after doing a cycle and a whole chest routine.

Inceldom is something you don't have control over but to escape inceldom requires plastic surgery as well as weight lifting. A lot of incels get shit on for something every man is currently struggling with due to social media allowing women to have a lot more access to higher quality men than before social media existed.

Hell yeah, sign me up for dangerous, potentially life threatening surgery so I can pass my ugly ass autistic genes on to the next generation without her knowing until it's too late!

Don't these clowns end up paying tens of thousands of dollars just to end up looking like a retarded anime character or something?

 

[Heckler1]

I hear a lot of DSPisms from people who consider themselves incels or incel adjacent. A lot of "I didn't do anything wrong, I do everything correct and I get punished by being denied even a small smackerel of pussy." If most spent the time they use making excuses into bettering themselves, maybe they wouldn't be such miserable little manlets. And yeah I hear you typing "women are bitches, why won't thy date meeeeee", and the answer is that you probably suck and relationships aren't a game you can win by making the correct choices. Outside of truly grotesquely deformed dudes (even Cyraxx had a gf) most incels are just lolcows who don't want to take ownership of their life because it is easier to complain about life than actually do something about it.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Oh wow, what a gay thread.

Inceldom is something you don't have control over but to escape inceldom requires plastic surgery as well as weight lifting. A lot of incels get shit on for something every man is currently struggling with due to social media allowing women to have a lot more access to higher quality men than before social media existed.

That's completely insane.

Most men just look like men, which is something women are generally happy with.
There's the joke about white girls fucking dogs, but in a sense that's sort of what they look for. Loyal, protective, honest, non-judgemental, someone they can do things with; hell, most white women's dogs are horribly behaved and refuse to listen to them anyways so it's not like they expect you to follow orders or something.

I realize women online say...actually there's no reason to finish that sentence, because it's absurd to even acknowledge. The only way to know how someone feels is to interact with them face to face, especially when we're talking about women, and especially the kind of fucking nutty broads you're going to find on social media and dating sites, since both those things are shit.

Don't be dumb, women don't suddenly become happy with being alone because they see ripped dudes online, or because they can get some disgusting skeeve to show up and have selfish, unsatisfying sex with them then leave. This is a mutual issue, the world sucks for everyone atm.

Edit: Judging by your pfp, it would probably help if you'd stop thirsting over e-thots.

I hear a lot of DSPisms from people who consider themselves incels or incel adjacent. A lot of "I didn't do anything wrong, I do everything correct and I get punished by being denied even a small smackerel of pussy." If most spent the time they use making excuses into bettering themselves, maybe they wouldn't be such miserable little manlets. And yeah I hear you typing "women are bitches, why won't thy date meeeeee", and the answer is that you probably suck and relationships aren't a game you can win by making the correct choices. Outside of truly grotesquely deformed dudes (even Cyraxx had a gf) most incels are just lolcows who don't want to take ownership of their life because it is easier to complain about life than actually do something about it.

Of course, the whole thing is idiocy.

What kind of stupid fuck looks around at a world that's falling apart around them, they have no friends, no security, they're unhealthy, they have no constructive goals or ambitions, and say to themselves "If only some girl would suck my dick that would fix everything".

If all you're after is a rush of reward chemicals, they invented hard drugs a long time ago. If you're after more than that, sex isn't going to address that.

This thread is a sausage fest.

Get outta here you horrible lesbian, nobody appreciates your snarky lesbian input.

 

[Zoomer Cringelord]

Inceldom is something you don't have control over but to escape inceldom requires plastic surgery as well as weight lifting. A lot of incels get shit on for something every man is currently struggling with due to social media allowing women to have a lot more access to higher quality men than before social media existed.

Being an 'incel' is a mindset. We're all blessed to have almost complete control over our minds unless we're diagnosed with a life ruining mental illness such as genuine schizophrenia.

I know 'personality' is a vague, esoteric word, but it truly does come down to personality, i.e. how you act and interact around other people. I speak from experience as a shut in man who acts like a manchild staring at my feet where I walk and avoiding eye contact, but even I don't resort to the victim mentality of claiming that 'inceldom is something you can't help.'

 

[Puff]

The overarching issue is simply that young men aren’t going outside and spending time with people anymore.

Think, in the 20th century you couldn't not have a social life. There were social hermits or outcasts, sure, but the vast majority of people could expect to be having daily interactions with dozens, maybe hundreds of people. That's just not the case anymore, it's 100% possible to exist in a bubble with only a small handful of human to human contact. People today have their close friends and their immediate family, what's fallen away is acquaintances, friends of friends, coworkers, neighbours, old church ladies, community volunteers, local bar flys, guys who you play sports with. Those tier two, three and sub - connections that don't eat up a ton of time but might help connect you to new strangers just don't exist like they used to, and their absence is felt in the lean opportunities available for new connection.

Lockdowns and the harmful, obstructive covid policies put into place in the last 2 years put this into accelerate, but we’ll die before we see the governments accept responsibility for that.

This. So much this. I'm not a virgin, but what's the delay from last hookup to be an incel? I might qualify.
I work in a male dominated field, even when I was in the office (fuck Corona) there were 3 women close enough to my age to work. All taken.
There are no young women in the bars.
There are no young women at church (shit, I'm the only single person there over 18.)
My social circles are all men and married couples (clubs and hobbies).
I had some amount of game in college, but I just ended up around women there. Didn't have to work for the MEETING part.
Where the fuck do you actually find women?

People my age (pushing 30) don't seem to exist irl. Not just women. Outside of work I don't have friends my age except at work and people I've known from college or earlier.
Pretty much checked out and just waiting for something to fall into my lap at this point.

Maybe I'm just in a place that doesn't condone social activity and maybe I'm just not trying hard enough, but if I'm having this problem it has to be fairly widespread.
Social media and it's consequences have been a disaster for the western world.
trying not to pl out be too whiney. Pretty sure I failed

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

This thread is a prime example of why dating advice from women is useless. Incels are mentally ill and need to take care of themselves mentally, physically and spiritually, but half of the advice from this thread is just be a faggot you clearly aren't to attract women. Like that's going to help. Unironically be the best you you could ever be and don't do it for pussy. Do it because you owe it to yourself and this is the only life you have. Then, a nice young lady with character, wits and class may see what value you place in yourself and be attracted to that. Or you can smash whores; your life. All in all, do what's best for you and good shit will follow.

 

[White Pride Worldwide]

Being an 'incel' is a mindset. We're all blessed to have almost complete control over our minds unless we're diagnosed with a life ruining mental illness such as genuine schizophrenia.

I know 'personality' is a vague, esoteric word, but it truly does come down to personality, i.e. how you act and interact around other people. I speak from experience as a shut in man who acts like a manchild staring at my feet where I walk and avoiding eye contact, but even I don't resort to the victim mentality of claiming that 'inceldom is something you can't help.'

Your personality literally does not matter if the girl doesn't find you attractive physically first. Girls are just like guys when it comes to eating with their eyes first before trying to understand the person.

 

[Zoomer Cringelord]

Your personality literally does not matter if the girl doesn't find you attractive physically first. Girls are just like guys when it comes to eating with their eyes first before trying to understand the person.

Yeah, I get it, I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment, it's biological imperative. A woman knows whether she likes a guy the second she sees him.

I'm not arguing that, and I never said a good personality makes up for looks, but what I failed to allude to properly was the victimhood of an incel mindset. Outside of outlier examples of incels, known also as truecels, who absolutely don't get any success with any woman no matter how hard they try, the vast majority of incels are retards who live on a computer, expecting a Victoria's Secret model to wind up on his dick. Not all of course, but an alarming amount of them share the sentiment that they are owed sex, furthermore, with a woman of their choosing. I'm not getting into the Tinder-study of women's hypergamy, I'm also well aware of that, I don't disagree with it. But an incel who harbours truly misogynistic views, who lives on a computer and believes he is owed sex and doesn't make any effort to change it has no right to cry victim.

Let me reiterate, I'm not saying that inceldom isn't a real thing, I'm not dismissing the problems that sad lonely men face, but I will not let anyone use it as a clutch to claim victimhood with. Outside of the aforementioned mental issues and the rare facial disfigurement that might make someone unbearable to look at, inceldom is a mindset, and is thus a choice.

 

[White Pride Worldwide]

Yeah, I get it, I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment, it's biological imperative. A woman knows whether she likes a guy the second she sees him.

I'm not arguing that, and I never said a good personality makes up for looks, but what I failed to allude to properly was the victimhood of an incel mindset. Outside of outlier examples of incels, known also as truecels, who absolutely don't get any success with any woman no matter how hard they try, the vast majority of incels are retards who live on a computer, expecting a Victoria's Secret model to wind up on his dick. Not all of course, but an alarming amount of them share the sentiment that they are owed sex, furthermore, with a woman of their choosing. I'm not getting into the Tinder-study of women's hypergamy, I'm also well aware of that, I don't disagree with it. But an incel who harbours truly misogynistic views, who lives on a computer and believes he is owed sex and doesn't make any effort to change it has no right to cry victim.

Let me reiterate, I'm not saying that inceldom isn't a real thing, I'm not dismissing the problems that sad lonely men face, but I will not let anyone use it as a clutch to claim victimhood with. Outside of the aforementioned mental issues and the rare facial disfigurement that might make someone unbearable to look at, inceldom is a mindset, and is thus a choice.

I can follow your logic here but you are jumping to conclusions. Lets consider that everything now a days is more or less done through social media, most people meet their gfs on platforms like tinder and with the rise of the pandemic it only exacerbated the issue even further for men. The idea of "day game", "warm approaching", "cold approaching", "night game" simply don't work any more with even Roosh v stopping his grift when it comes to that pua shit. Lets also consider the fact that marriages have a 50% failure rate. When you combine these factors on top of having to compete against men within a 50 mile radius of you instead of the few guys you knew in your immediate friend circle, it makes sense as to why a lot of men give up because they can't measure up to a 6'6 giga chad and start blaming women for their impossibly high standards. You also get over it eventually, after a while your anger subsides and you just become depressed and hopeless. The problem is that the dating market is too unfair to men and because we live in a gynocentric society where woman can do no wrong we sweep this big issue under the rug to appease the status quo and we shame men to the point that if a man were to complain about the dating market he would be socially ostracized from his peers.

A lot of men in order to compete in todays sexual market will have to be at the minimum 8-10% body fat, have a decent physique and most importantly sexually dimoprhic features that women are looking for (Jaw line, good height, good hairline ect..). While plastic surgery can fix these issues to some extent its not a guarantee and would be extremely expensive depending on how far you want to increase your SMV to. So when you look at it from that angle its no wonder a lot of men just do not want to even bother with dating any more. Just to even have a chance you have to dedicated years at the gym and then on top of that you have to undergo cosmetic surgery which will change your face permanently with no guarantee either of these things will actually work. Also your gains at the gym are also dictated by your genetics, so unless you got really good muscle building genes you are gonna get mogged and will have to go on gear to compete.