Grand Jury speculation thread

[Mariposa Electrique]

could chris fucked the deal over by rolling the dice because the lawyer told him he would be banned from most places he would go to socialize in the public?

How good of a plea deal did Chris lose? ( house arrest & talking to an officer & Sex Register but admitting he rapped his mother)

Is the state incompetent that they could not send christ to jail without evidence (barb didn't agree she got a pass)?

He's probably like those dumb gameshows where they offer you 100,000 dollars or choosing what's behind door number 3. Naturally, Chris chooses door number 3 and gets a lifetime supply of rusty nails.

 

[Tykan]

I would like to think there are at least 12 people in the community who haven't bumped into him at a gamestop and aren't terminally online enough to know about his antics. Probably boomers of some sort.

Its fully possible, however I'd find it hard to believe that the community of Charlottesville wouldn't know of his infamy.

 

[Rogowski]

Kengle uploaded the full letter

https://www.onionfarms.com/threads/july-14th-letter-entire-contents.2634/

Spoiler: NOTHING BURGER

Hey Kenneth,

I am on board for the idea of the fan and support website. Do note, however: for the time being, until after when my Body and I are returned home to the Sonichu Temple, Helena Fiorenza's prophetic powers, insight, and present chroniclings, aside (As they are more in tune with this Timeline and present events in that which was most resonant and vibrational with her in which. I do realize I could have worded that better, but it's been a long day), and, of course, that from my works, insights, and everything, personally aside as well; all other Sonichu/Rosechu fan-fics remain Not Canon with the Present and Past Year events and happenings in Both Halves of Universe 1C-211987 (C-197 and 121 in THIS PRIME Timeline We Literally Live In As We Speak Now and soforth.

And, I add in validation: Caden (Praetor) is genuinely one who is able to speak on my behalf when appropriate, and is in friendship and business association with I in mutual agreements; Include Him on the Fan Project Website, period, please.

Thank you, Englehardt.

Be Safe and Well.

Mrs. Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

 

[Mason Verger]

Kengle uploaded the full letter

https://www.onionfarms.com/threads/july-14th-letter-entire-contents.2634/

Spoiler: NOTHING BURGER

Hey Kenneth,

I am on board for the idea of the fan and support website. Do note, however: for the time being, until after when my Body and I are returned home to the Sonichu Temple, Helena Fiorenza's prophetic powers, insight, and present chroniclings, aside (As they are more in tune with this Timeline and present events in that which was most resonant and vibrational with her in which. I do realize I could have worded that better, but it's been a long day), and, of course, that from my works, insights, and everything, personally aside as well; all other Sonichu/Rosechu fan-fics remain Not Canon with the Present and Past Year events and happenings in Both Halves of Universe 1C-211987 (C-197 and 121 in THIS PRIME Timeline We Literally Live In As We Speak Now and soforth.

And, I add in validation: Caden (Praetor) is genuinely one who is able to speak on my behalf when appropriate, and is in friendship and business association with I in mutual agreements; Include Him on the Fan Project Website, period, please.

Thank you, Englehardt.

Be Safe and Well.

Mrs. Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu

Interestingly, there doesn't seem to be any Neo-Spiritual Christianity cross drawing this time. Maybe it's on the envelope only? The signature, on the other hand, is as full of lightning and hearts as always.

Jesus, that really was a boiled nothing burger. I guess I kinda get why these pen pals are just giving bullet point summaries now, that’s a lot of words that add up to almost nothing of substance.

 

[dankeybong]

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Good to know daddy jim has something other than ralph to talk about during his next superchat squeeze

 

[Cherenkovblue]

This. A huge percentage of the prison population is already borderline retarded which is right where Chris is. Something like 10-15% are actual retards, and another 25% or so are in the 76-90 IQ range, which is basically retarded. There are intelligent criminals but they are good at not going to prison or getting slapped on the wrist if they do get locked up.

I don't know why this has to be explained to anybody. The prison population is overwhelmingly niggers and beaners. If you can't do the math then you're either prison-bound or prison-adjacent.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

Jesus, that really was a boiled nothing burger. I guess I kinda get why these pen pals are just giving bullet point summaries now, that’s a lot of words that add up to almost nothing of substance.

This Jesus crap draws parallels to his art, and why he never took the time to improve it; because the shit he'd draw and show his parents, teachers or whomever, would gleefully praise Chris, and Chris would get a rush and conclude that why improve things if he got all the praise.

Since becoming Jesus, he's gotten more orbiters that will eat the corn from his asshole by retardedly paraphrasing shit from the bible, or modifying it in a really lazy way. Why would he need to expend the effort to provide any more content? And it's truly amazing, that in jail, which is incredibly boring, that he can't even come up with anything better.

 

[Dogechu_Prime]

I mean I'm not surprised Chris went ahead and said bet to a trial because he wouldn't admit guilty.

There's nothing that would convince him otherwise, remember if he's found guilty,

DOOMSDAY FOR YOU ALL

I'm just hoping that we get some more updates soon, because I know for sure Chris is probably going full on chimp-out hearing he's gotta stay longer in jail now. Oh the CWC-Quarters I'd give to see his reaction

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

I keep seeing this rational, which essentially reads as “Chris will be fine in prison, just as long as he miraculously doesn’t act like Chris for once in his life and maintains that throughout his entire sentence..”.

Chris is looooong overdue for a corrective ass whopping. And it’ll be over some shit like switching the whites only tv to a pony cartoon. From what I recall, the subway Jared guy didn’t catch a beating for being a pedo, he caught it for trying to big time around the other inmates.

He is going to get his ass beat when he tries approaching anyone, but otherwise he will spend the entire time in prison in isolation or hanging with a few pedophiles or other deplorable individuals that are also ostracized. Prison guards are just as lazy as any other individual and wont throw him into a cell with 3 giga niggas who will pulverize him daily, they'll dump him in pedo alley where he will be with equally fucked up individuals who wont fuck with him.

 

[Smleman303]

Its fully possible, however I'd find it hard to believe that the community of Charlottesville wouldn't know of his infamy.

The jury pool will come from Greene county which Charlottesville is not a part of.

 

[get-tar manajerk]

“Tuck n’ turn, tuck n’ tuuuuuuuurn!”

 

[Android raptor]

That's crazy. Being retarded to the point of being able to make the legal point of YOU being the victim of your elderly mother with dementia.

I feel like the matrix is being undone.

Barb doesn't exactly have a great track record of not being creepy and abusive either i.e. the spooning and physical abuse of Cole. Parent/child incest is usually a situation of a parent grooming/abusing the child even if both parties are adults, and it's hard to say even how far gone either of them are without seeing the psychiatric reports. This isn't even touching on all the unknowns with just how involved a certain fungus with glowie parents was (I doubt we'll ever know that).

It's an incredibly sad, fucked up, and complicated situation that's hard for anyone that's not like, one of the psychiatrists involved in the case, to really say what exactly happened.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

Barb doesn't exactly have a great track record of not being creepy and abusive either

One of my favorite Barb stories was how she got charged with swearing in public in Virginia when Chris was a kid. It's an uncommon law that's rarely enforced, so in order to get actually charged, you have to put effort into it. But she did.

I don't think anyone can really picture what a cunt she was. It's only lucky Bob was who he was, and so old, and would acquiesce or otherwise just try to ignore her chimp outs.

ETA: You can see this in Chris's behavior with things like the Kacey call, where she's berating Chris non stop and Chris just clams up and takes it. Most likely from years of dealing with Barb's emotional abuse.

 

[TestTubePuppy]

I wouldn't be surprised if he tries that in a trial.

The deciding point here is how badly does the dementia have to be to constitute as sufficient mental impairment that one loses the ability to consent, and if Barb meets that criteria. Chris could probably argue that Barb was assessed to be well enough to live on her own and even drive, which suggests that she might not be impaired enough to be unable to consent. Even if they prove that Barb has dementia, it's not going to be as easy to prove rape as many assume.

They have dozens of videos Chris shot of Barb looking completely out of it going back years. People who have dementia have periods of lucidity, and periods of disconnection with reality. When she was connecting with Chris, she was disconnected from reality by definition. Just let Chris's lawyer go in arguing that it was consensual. That defense will not work with a courtroom full of normal people. It would have the opposite effect in fact. If Chris tried to claim Barb wanted it, he would get his ass handed to him.

Barb's incompetence is going to be a given here.

Think about what the terms of probation might be... It's going to include stay away from Barb and 14 BC. If Chris was released, I don't think he could go a week without violating that court order. And I think he would continue to violate it over and over no matter what the consequences were. It also could include things like no internet access, close contact with the probation officer and sex offender registration. Chris has never been good at following rules he doesn't like.

 

[Ophelia]

Shortly after Da Merge, Barb went home from the hospital and lived there without incident until late November. During that time, weens saw her acting relatively normal and even driving. She was not a total vegetable. She was not ravaged by alzheimers, senility, or dementia. She was not so bad off that her family stepped in. Maybe she was a sundowner, maybe she had periods of memory loss followed by a return to lucidity. But she’s not the shell of a human many people seem to think she was when Chris had his way with her. Yes, she wrecked the car and her family finally took notice, but that was months later.

 

[Android raptor]

One of my favorite Barb stories was how she got charged with swearing in public in Virginia when Chris was a kid. It's an uncommon law that's rarely enforced, so in order to get actually charged, you have to put effort into it. But she did.

I don't think anyone can really picture what a cunt she was. It's only lucky Bob was who he was, and so old, and would acquiesce or otherwise just try to ignore her chimp outs.

ETA: You can see this in Chris's behavior with things like the Kacey call, where she's berating Chris non stop and Chris just clams up and takes it. Most likely from years of dealing with Barb's emotional abuse.

I think Chris learned a lot of his own nastiest traits from Barb. He's the extremely unfortunate end product of decades of Intergenerational abuse and dysfunction. It's almost some Goodnight, Sugarbabe shit at this point.

 

[ChrisIsGay]

Kengle uploaded the full letter

https://www.onionfarms.com/threads/july-14th-letter-entire-contents.2634/

Spoiler: NOTHING BURGER

Hey Kenneth,

I am on board for the idea of the fan and support website. Do note, however: for the time being, until after when my Body and I are returned home to the Sonichu Temple, Helena Fiorenza's prophetic powers, insight, and present chroniclings, aside (As they are more in tune with this Timeline and present events in that which was most resonant and vibrational with her in which. I do realize I could have worded that better, but it's been a long day), and, of course, that from my works, insights, and everything, personally aside as well; all other Sonichu/Rosechu fan-fics remain Not Canon with the Present and Past Year events and happenings in Both Halves of Universe 1C-211987 (C-197 and 121 in THIS PRIME Timeline We Literally Live In As We Speak Now and soforth.

And, I add in validation: Caden (Praetor) is genuinely one who is able to speak on my behalf when appropriate, and is in friendship and business association with I in mutual agreements; Include Him on the Fan Project Website, period, please.

Thank you, Englehardt.

Be Safe and Well.

Mrs. Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu

Yeah thats a lot of nothing. The letter Chris sent Kengle July 22 is suppose to have some details regarding the case. I wonder if Chris mentioned anything about not takeing any plea deal and going to trial?

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

I think Chris learned a lot of his own nastiest traits from Barb. He's the extremely unfortunate end product of decades of Intergenerational abuse and dysfunction. It's almost some Goodnight, Sugarbabe shit at this point.

He reminds me of young adult black men who chimp out at the slightest thing and peacock around. They get that very feminine mentality from being raised primarily by women, and not men.

ETA: lol caught that

 

[Pointless Sperg]

@Pointless Sperg says August 8th for the indictments to reach the grand jury. I'm heavily inclined to trust his statements as TRUE AND HONEST.

I was too lazy to look up the grand jury schedule. Another kiwi did, but it checks out.

The deciding point here is how badly does the dementia have to be to constitute as sufficient mental impairment that one loses the ability to consent, and if Barb meets that criteria. Chris could probably argue that Barb was assessed to be well enough to live on her own and even drive, which suggests that she might not be impaired enough to be unable to consent. Even if they prove that Barb has dementia, it's not going to be as easy to prove rape as many assume.

The way I read it, everyone over the legal age is considered to be able to consent in Virginia, and only people under 13 are considered *never* unable to consent.

The measure of whether it's rape or not is if the person is capable of *refusing* consent, and did not refuse it, physically or verbally. It does not require affirmative consent. Able to refuse means that, in addition to be physically capable of refusing, they understand what they were doing and what the consequences could be. Thus, if Barb understood that she was having sex with Chris, and that it was a crime, then if she participated in the actions she is assumed to have consented.

Chris mentioned that she said "no" once. If he fucked her on that occasion, then he is guilty of rape. This does not cover other occasions any more than it does for non-incestuous intercourse.

Chris also mentioned that she was "confused" once. This is vague. If it means she didn't know what was happening, then Chris is guilty of rape. If it means she was just confused by the situation, then that does not constitute rape.

If at the time Barb refused consent or could not refuse consent, he did not put his penis in her vagina, but put his tongue in her or his penis somewhere else, then it is forcible sodomy, which has the same punishment as rape.

If at the time Barb could not refuse consent he instead just non-penetratively touched her privates, it is aggravated sexual battery, which is 1-20 years instead of 5-life. If she refused consent then it is sexual battery and a Class 1 misdemeanor.

If at the time Barb refused consent or could not refuse consent he put his fingers or a toy in her, then it is object penetration, with the same 5-life as rape.

You're completely ignorant of the law then, in Virginia non-pedo tier 1 sex offenders aren't barred from schools, and parks aren't included in the definition of school.

Also how are you trying to explain tiers by saying incapacitated barbussy is tier 1 incest when I just explained that if they charge Chris for that it's rape by incapacitation, a tier 3 offense WITH the ban on being near places frequented by children.

Secondly in Virginia incest is tier 1 sex offender registration, full stop.

Now back to the point, even if Chris becomes a tier 3 sex offender will have NO RESIDENCE RESTRICTIONS WHAT SO EVER, Virginia law explicitly limits residence restrictions to people who offended against children.

BUT, if he is convicted of Rape by Incapacitation, he WILL be barred from loitering within 100 feet of any gamestop, toy store, walmart toy section, etc for the rest of his life as that is the sole non-pedo offense to trigger those restrictions.*

*Regular kidnapping is listed but the courts ruled it's inclusion to be unconstitutional.

If he is convicted of plain rape then he will have NO LOCATION RESTRICTIONS beyond schools.

Ah, I reread the statute and you are indeed correct about the residency/school loitering requirements. I will correct this in the FAQ.

Regarding the rest, with the caveat that you are obviously familiar with Virginia whereas I am not, and I could be wrong, but:

Based on reading the schedule for registration in § 9.1-902, non-minor, non-incapacitated incest violation (§ 18.2-366) does not put you on the SOR. These are the only places where the incest statute is mentioned:

For tier 1:

2. Where the victim is a minor or is physically helpless or mentally incapacitated as defined in § 18.2-67.10, subsection A of § 18.2-47, clause (i) of § 18.2-48, § 18.2-67.4, subsection C of § 18.2-67.5, § 18.2-361, § 18.2-366, or a felony violation of former § 18.1-191.

For tier 3:

2. § 18.2-63, § 18.2-64.1, former § 18.2-67.2:1, § 18.2-90 with the intent to commit rape or, where the victim is a minor or is physically helpless or mentally incapacitated as defined in § 18.2-67.10, subsection A of § 18.2-47, § 18.2-67.4, subsection C of § 18.2-67.5, clause (i) of § 18.2-48, § 18.2-361, § 18.2-366, or subsection C of § 18.2-374.1:1. An offense listed under this subdivision shall be deemed a Tier III offense only if the person has been convicted or adjudicated delinquent of any two or more such offenses, provided that person had been at liberty between such convictions or adjudications;

Regarding incest by incapacitation vs rape by incapacitation, you're absolutely right if it's prosecuted to the maximum extent, however the incapacitation clause in the SOR statute is there for a reason -- the incest charge can function as a lesser charge in a plea bargain. The clause would be pointless if nobody was ever convicted of incapacitated incest instead of incapacitated rape.