Grand Jury speculation thread

What will the next legal development be?

  • Grand Jury declares Chris fit for trial

    Votes: 458 30.3%
  • Grand Jury declares Chris a brokebrain and unfit for trial

    Votes: 203 13.4%
  • CONTINUANCE!

    Votes: 220 14.6%
  • Plea deal

    Votes: 122 8.1%
  • The US collapses, Chris escapes from jail and becomes a cult-leader

    Votes: 208 13.8%
  • The Merge occurs

    Votes: 301 19.9%

  • Total voters
    1,512
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which even with Chris being a complete retard, might get even his attention.

I think at this point they could have a gallows right there in the courtroom, and it wouldn't get Chris' attention. He's convinced he deserves to go back to 14BLC and will settle for nothing less, and anyone who says otherwise is kicking the autistic and toxic and will die in the merge.


Chris doesn't deserve Lionel Hutz Miguel Sanchez, never mind an actual attorney.

Chris deserves to represent himself.
 
Heilberg is a good and experienced lawyer and well respected at his bar. Chris is well represented. Whatever negative consequences happen to Chris, it will be nothing to do with the quality of his legal representation. It will be the result of his essential Chris-ness chaotic force being uncontainable by reason and counsel.
Just to chime in, people hating on defense attorneys for doing a great job defending horrible people miss the point. We have an adversarial system of justice where the State has the burden of proof for a damn good reason.
 
As for skipping Jury duty, I had a family member who got laid off because where he worked closed, he was tied into a very long fucked up jury duty thing. Then he was applying for jobs ... btw so I'm leaving for court every tuesday...... yeah hampered him a bit.

So that kinda put a fear into me and when I got put on I got kicked off ASAP because I was a PhD candidate
at the time no one wanted my ass on jury lol.

If you want a real good laugh look up the "clerks cartoon jury duty" too funny.
 
He's ranked in the top 5% of defense attorneys, and the DC sniper wasn't the only big case he's done.
Its a nitpick, but top 5% in virginia, since other posters will inevitably think state wide. still, hes widely better than chris deserves. check out what superlawyer has to say:
Prior to entering private practice in 1982, Mr. Heilberg spent three years as the Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney for Harrisonburg and Rockingham County. For at least the next 10 years, Mr. Heilberg was appointed as Acting Commonwealth’s Attorney to serve as a special prosecutor of certain cases in the City of Charlottesville and Albemarle, Greene and Fluvanna Counties.
He taught as adjunct faculty for Trial Advocacy at the Washington & Lee School of Law. He is regularly invited to deliver presentations on criminal law topics before groups of fellow professionals as well as college and law school students. Along with Corinne Magee and Timothy Carwile, he is the co-editor of Defending Criminal Cases in Virginia (2012, 2016, 2018 and 2020 editions), a practice manual for professionals in this field, and is the author of Chapter 8: Eyewitness Identification Procedures, distributed by Virginia Continuing Legal Education publications.
Seems like a pretty cool dude.
200 dollarydoos for a 1000 pages on virginia law, if anyone here wants to chip in and get really deep into speculating how this case will go, with something co-edited by chris chans lawyer himself.

And at pickle inspector, my old man got jury duty on a case where in a nutshell, they were trying to argue how much time had passed between two video recordings on an iphone. hes been in computers since punch cards were a thing and had to sit and watch a court fail to right click a file and check creation date.

Edit: and it even looks like hes been in the superlawyer category for 11 years, up to 2022. i hereby decree we replace all references to chris chans lawyer with "superlawyer"
 
If you want a real good laugh look up the "clerks cartoon jury duty" too funny.
This is what google gave me for that
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Thanks a lot google lmao
 
I think at this point they could have a gallows right there in the courtroom, and it wouldn't get Chris' attention. He's convinced he deserves to go back to 14BLC and will settle for nothing less, and anyone who says otherwise is kicking the autistic and toxic and will die in the merge.


If just one A-log in the jury who is also a sped that doesn't understand what a Grand Jury is.
 
I’m sure it can be, I remember when I was chosen as a potential jury member for a rape case with photographic evidence, thankfully I wasn’t picked but similarly with this case if photographic evidence was taken of Barb I’m not sure how many people with no prior knowledge of Chris would want to look at graphic nudes of an elderly women who’s just been potentially raped by her son alongside the rest of the baggage a sexual case of this nature would contain if they can avoid it.
Cases like that often come with riders that say 'these people have had enough, they don't have to do jury duty again'
 
If he agrees to a plea deal there would be no point in convening a grand jury or indicting Chris since he would be pleading guilty and not disputing the evidence or charges against him. You don't need to indict people who admit their crime. He would skip forward straight to sentencing.

That they're moving to indict him is pretty solid proof Chris is still refusing any deals. What an idiot.

Yup. The suggestion I made was pretty :optimistic: .

On the other hand, it's still possible, and the prosecutor just wants an indictment for the purposes of showing that they didn't just railroad a troon through the system.

I looked at hundreds of cases in Greene County for examples and I couldn't find a felony case where it didn't go through indictment (either direct indictment, or after prelim in district court).

Misdemeanor and infraction appeals of course did not have indictments. I had a lot of fun reading through those. I found one guy who appealed to circuit court for a $25 fine for not wearing a seat belt. (Though at least he didn't demand a jury -- which apparently is an inviolable right in Virginia, even for traffic tickets. Apparently Texas has that right too.)

And put them where?

The tard home, presumably.

I'd also recommend him to any weens who get caught breaking and entering at 14BLC. Assuming he'd take their case.

Can't take a simultaneous case related to another case, as it could lead to a conflict of interest between your clients. It would be okay once he is no longer representing Chris.

It's $30 a day. They don't reimburse your travel expenses in Virginia. And most cases are boring as hell. And that assumes you get selected for a jury instead of sitting on your ass all day in the pool. As far as public juries are concerned, getting drafted is far more lucrative and (at times) much more interesting.

Doing jury duty is still a good idea, as it lets people see the system from a safe vantage instead of having to see it for the first time from the defense's table. It's free legal education, something most citizens lack (witness the bullshit that gets posted here, and especially on the CWC subreddit).

Assuming weenery doesn't convince the judge to close the court. I'm not hopeful.

Apparently it's pretty hard to close actual trials in Virginia. If it gets that far, it should be open.

In any earlier hearing when they're discussing stuff like whether some report about Barb's dusty vagina is admissible, that will be closed. Any hearing that doesn't involve admissibility of sexual/health evidence should be open. (the reason being that until you know if something is admissible, then it does not serve the public interest for others to see it, and privacy is then more important).

I’m sure it can be, I remember when I was chosen as a potential jury member for a rape case with photographic evidence, thankfully I wasn’t picked but similarly with this case if photographic evidence was taken of Barb I’m not sure how many people with no prior knowledge of Chris would want to look at graphic nudes of an elderly women who’s just been potentially raped by her son alongside the rest of the baggage a sexual case of this nature would contain if they can avoid it.

They usually minimize that stuff to only the important parts. It's in the defense's best interests to get anything graphic that does not actually constitute evidence to be thrown out. This often means lots of cropping.

So in this case there would be no full-body Barb nudes. At worst there'd be an extreme closeup of vaginal scarring or something.

For murder cases you sometimes see a lot of wide shots if the positioning of the body is important.

Chris deserves to represent himself.

The farms deserves video of this happening.

As for skipping Jury duty, I had a family member who got laid off because where he worked closed, he was tied into a very long fucked up jury duty thing. Then he was applying for jobs ... btw so I'm leaving for court every tuesday...... yeah hampered him a bit.

In a situation like that you can claim hardship as a reason to get out of it, and most places give you one free pass for any reason.
 
What do you think a jury of his peers, a group of 40 something year olds will have to saw about a man like chris?
Chris would have better luck with a jury of piers than his peers. And the sentencing could be colorful and make him walk off said piers into the ocean.
 
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So most likely what's happening is that Chris' case has to go before the grand jury so they can charge him with a felony and then he'll get out with some plea deal that involves a couple years probation, which from Chris' letters sounds like the most likely.

But lets say fuck that for a second and assume that Chris is going to trial. What will Heilberg's defense be? I'd guess it would be something along the lines of "No one recorded Chris fuckin Barb, so therefore there is reasonable doubt and you must acquit", which is basically the go to defense for completely unwinnable cases.

Happened in this Chandler Halderson case where they basically caught him burying his parent's dismembered corpses and googling stuff like "how to clean up massive amount of blood?". He still pleaded innocence though so his lawyer basically just tried to stretch the definition of reasonable doubt.

Also the judge is never going to allow Chris to defend himself since no one would think he's competent enough to lead his own defense.
 
Also the judge is never going to allow Chris to defend himself since no one would think he's competent enough to lead his own defense.
Can he do that? Chris has been ruled mentally competent to stand trial so he is definitely considered competent enough to assist in his own defense. What would preclude him from acting as his own attorney?
 
Can he do that? Chris has been ruled mentally competent to stand trial so he is definitely considered competent enough to assist in his own defense. What would preclude him from acting as his own attorney?
I think the difference is they have to be "legally competent" https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/right-represent-yourself-criminal-case.html?pathUI=button

I think it makes sense, can't really say someone got a fair trial if they clearly have no idea how to navigate the legal system and are a complete moron.
 
Legally, doesn’t he have to?
From that link I posted, no.

Competency to Self-Represent vs. Stand Trial​

Whether a defendant is mentally competent to stand trial is a different issue. A time-honored principle in American law holds that we should not subject someone to trial who lacks the capacity to understand the nature and purpose of the legal proceedings against him, to consult with his lawyer, or to help in the preparation of his defense. Someone who is competent to stand trial is oriented as to time and place and has a reasonable degree of rational understanding. (18 U.S.C.A. § 4241.)

A judge has the power to decide that a defendant is mentally competent to stand trial, yet not competent enough to represent himself. (Indiana v. Edwards, U.S. Sup. Ct. 2008.)
 
would want to look at graphic nudes of an elderly women who’s just been potentially raped by her son
Some of us pay top dollar for those you know.

Don’t kinkshame.


Can he do that? Chris has been ruled mentally competent to stand trial so he is definitely considered competent enough to assist in his own defense

As enticing as the concept of Chris defending himself sounds, we all know it would merely result in a STRESS SIGH! And a nasally “Next!” Every time the prosecutor is done with a witness.

His closing arguments would probably be kek though.
 
So most likely what's happening is that Chris' case has to go before the grand jury so they can charge him with a felony and then he'll get out with some plea deal that involves a couple years probation, which from Chris' letters sounds like the most likely.
From what folks have speculated, dealing with Chris in Greene county, in a way that benefits them, Chris and the community, I don't think probation would be a good result, since given Chris and his history, reoffending will just mean more wasted effort and court time, verses just locking him up for five years (which is where he'll be when he violates probation terms).

Remember how Chris thinks. If they give him a year of time served, and say five years of probation with a no contact order, it will be less than a week before he's back at 14 Branchland, with all sorts of excuses. "I was just driving by!" "I didn't actually go inside!" "I'm worried about my mommy!" "I wanted to see if she was dead so I could back!"
 
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