Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

I'll be real, they dropped the ball on this one. The best moments of writing in this show is in relation to Stolas and his relation to his family and trying to understand why he is fucking up so bad, like when he took Octavia to the circus. This is why I think it was not the best idea to make the wife a complete cunt, it just gives a really convenient excuse for Stolas being unfaithful rather than allow for a more complex moral dilemma for our characters.
"Gay shit boo-hoo" is a super easy trap to fall into for these types of characters, and it usually makes them Flanderized versions of themselves pretty quickly. What I hope happens is that more focus is given to Octavia being caught in the middle of a bad divorce, because it would be interesting to see how they write it and I would imagine that it is really relatable to a lot of kids, unfortunately. I would actually like to see some comparison between Moxxie and Millie's really solid relationship against Blitzo and Stolas's really screwed up one like we got in the finale of last season.
Overall, not the best episode to start on but I think they have a lot to work with this season.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I'll be real, they dropped the ball on this one. The best moments of writing in this show is in relation to Stolas and his relation to his family and trying to understand why he is fucking up so bad, like when he took Octavia to the circus. This is why I think it was not the best idea to make the wife a complete cunt, it just gives a really convenient excuse for Stolas being unfaithful rather than allow for a more complex moral dilemma for our characters.
"Gay shit boo-hoo" is a super easy trap to fall into for these types of characters, and it usually makes them Flanderized versions of themselves pretty quickly. What I hope happens is that more focus is given to Octavia being caught in the middle of a bad divorce, because it would be interesting to see how they write it and I would imagine that it is really relatable to a lot of kids, unfortunately. I would actually like to see some comparison between Moxxie and Millie's really solid relationship against Blitzo and Stolas's really screwed up one like we got in the finale of last season.
Overall, not the best episode to start on but I think they have a lot to work with this season.

We saw comparisons between the two relationships in the season 1 finale.

 

[Cool Dog]

Oh shit, this is still going on? I stopped paying attention when everybody started masturbating to the dog girl

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Oh shit, this is still going on? I stopped paying attention when everybody started masturbating to the dog girl

So…literally when she was first seen then?

 

[Cool Dog]

So…literally when she was first seen then?

Idk didnt see that spinoff, just the first hazbin episode and it was meh, the writing and characters felt like something out of a fat girl's LJ from the mid 2000

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

So…literally when she was first seen then?

For me it was the 18th of July, 2021.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I think it's interesting how this episode is split by the audience. Either you thought this episode was fantastic and really let Stolas shine, or you think it wasn't that good and that the writing ruined the current story or characters.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I think it's interesting how this episode is split by the audience. Either you thought this episode was fantastic and really let Stolas shine, or you think it wasn't that good and that the writing ruined the current story or characters.

I think enjoyment of the episode is entirely dependent on what you thought of Stolas beforehand.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I think enjoyment of the episode is entirely dependent on what you thought of Stolas beforehand.

That makes sense to me, as a lot of people who said they liked this episode has Stolas being their favorite. I never really had a favorite character in this, as I more enjoyed the characters interaction with each other than anything.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

That makes sense to me, as a lot of people who said they liked this episode has Stolas being their favorite. I never really had a favorite character in this, as I more enjoyed the characters interaction with each other than anything.

He’s not my favorite, but I never disliked or hated him either.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

He’s not my favorite, but I never disliked or hated him either.

That's the same with me. I think he was better when he was more of side character and not brought up to the forefront.

 

[The Fair Lady]

I think it's interesting how this episode is split by the audience. Either you thought this episode was fantastic and really let Stolas shine, or you think it wasn't that good and that the writing ruined the current story or characters.

I'm more in the middle honestly, I didn't love it but didn't hate it either. The writing was just a little disappointing.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

That makes sense to me, as a lot of people who said they liked this episode has Stolas being their favorite. I never really had a favorite character in this, as I more enjoyed the characters interaction with each other than anything.

I think Stolas is the most interesting character in the show, I just thought that making the people like his dad and wife kind of like caricatures was a disservice because it lessens the drama.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

lessens the drama

That's the main issue that I have with the show. Why is there drama? Why did there ever need to be drama in a small episodic spinoff that was meant to tide over audience while the main, bigger, complex show was being made?
Whatever you thought of the pilot for Hazbin Hotel, it at least got across that it was going to have serious moments, character depth, and a consistent story of a demon princess trying to redeem people in hell. Yes it's also comedic but that wasn't its main focus.
Helluva Boss' pilot showed that its focus was going to be a dark comedy about an organization in hell that kills living people for money, with not only dealing with the shenanigans that comes with said business, but also within the group themselves.
It was never supposed to take itself seriously. It wasn't supposed to get indepth with its characters and lore. It wasn't supposed to get "deep". It was supposed to be something you could watch and laugh at, and that's it. You can even see that in the first episode, as the plot follows the formula in the pilot, just not as messy. But somewhere between that first episode and second episode, Viv thought "Hmm, maybe I should give one of these characters some complexity...I know which one. No, not any of the people in that main cast. Pfft, that would be stupid. How about that one bird that solicits Blitzo for sexual favors. He had, like, maybe a minute or two of screen time in both the pilot and first episode. Yeah, that's what I should prioritize." And then we got episode two. I didn't even think episode two was that bad but it definitely caught be off guard. Thought, ok I thought these were just going to be sort of like one-offs but whatever.
Except that it still was, because then we got episode 3 and 4 which were more episodic in nature. Confusing that we're back to this, but maybe they wanted to get to the original format. Then we get to episode 5 which starts out similar enough but ends up with something that sounds like it will be brought up later in the series as being a plot point. And I'm like "what the fuck? Why are we back to this? I thought this was supposed to be episodic?" Then episode 6, pretty similar with how episode 5 go and me being confused with what the people behind this show are trying to. And then episode 7 came and that's when I realized we're getting a drama.

TLDR: Viv can't
figure whether she wants funny episodic or serious serialization. She needs to make up her damn mind cause I can't tell anymore what is supposed to be funny and dark, or serious and depressing.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

That's the main issue that I have with the show. Why is there drama? Why did there ever need to be drama in a small episodic spinoff that was meant to tide over audience while the main, bigger, complex show was being made?
Whatever you thought of the pilot for Hazbin Hotel, it at least got across that it was going to have serious moments, character depth, and a consistent story of a demon princess trying to redeem people in hell. Yes it's also comedic but that wasn't its main focus.
Helluva Boss' pilot showed that its focus was going to be a dark comedy about an organization in hell that kills living people for money, with not only dealing with the shenanigans that comes with said business, but also within the group themselves.
It was never supposed to take itself seriously. It wasn't supposed to get indepth with its characters and lore. It wasn't supposed to get "deep". It was supposed to be something you could watch and laugh at, and that's it. You can even see that in the first episode, as the plot follows the formula in the pilot, just not as messy. But somewhere between that first episode and second episode, Viv thought "Hmm, maybe I should give one of these characters some complexity...I know which one. No, not any of the people in that main cast. Pfft, that would be stupid. How about that one bird that solicits Blitzo for sexual favors. He had, like, maybe a minute or two of screen time in both the pilot and first episode. Yeah, that's what I should prioritize." And then we got episode two. I didn't even think episode two was that bad but it definitely caught be off guard. Thought, ok I thought these were just going to be sort of like one-offs but whatever.
Except that it still was, because then we got episode 3 and 4 which were more episodic in nature. Confusing that we're back to this, but maybe they wanted to get to the original format. Then we get to episode 5 which starts out similar enough but ends up with something that sounds like it will be brought up later in the series as being a plot point. And I'm like "what the fuck? Why are we back to this? I thought this was supposed to be episodic?" Then episode 6, pretty similar with how episode 5 go and me being confused with what the people behind this show are trying to. And then episode 7 came and that's when I realized we're getting a drama.

TLDR: Viv can't
figure whether she wants funny episodic or serious serialization. She needs to make up her damn mind cause I can't tell anymore what is supposed to be funny and dark, or serious and depressing.

I would think it's because things get very stale quickly without some type of conflict, and when you have a cast of characters like we do here interpersonal drama is an easy way to create conflict that is more complex and interesting to an older audience than 'monster of the week'.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I would think it's because things get very stale quickly without some type of conflict, and when you have a cast of characters like we do here interpersonal drama is an easy way to create conflict that is more complex and interesting to an older audience than 'monster of the week'.

I guess I see your point in that. But it's not like we don't have other shows that mature audiences can't enjoy because it doesn't have continuous plot.
I just think they're tying to make this way too complex for the type of show this is (or at least was). It doesn't help that one episode is "haha, funny shitty demons" and then the next being "uh oh. Serious and sad time".

 

[Wintersun]

I don't know what this is, but I'm hoping it's not just shilling more merch or an announcement video.

 

[The Fair Lady]

I see where both of you are coming from and agree to an extent about the whole drama thing. Helluva was initially meant to be more comedic and less serious than Hazbin, what with it being a spin-off, and yet here we are with plenty of drama having cropped up. It’s not something that I necessarily mind - Loo Loo Land is one of my favorite episodes. And I get that Viv wanted to focus on a separate side story, that’s fine, but at this rate it feels like Helluva and Hazbin will be so similar in tone to the point of wondering why she even bothered. Though she does seem like the type of person who’s indecisive about these things, so.

I don't know what this is, but I'm hoping it's not just shilling more merch or an announcement video.

They’ve done one of these before, it’s just the cast watching episodes and then plugging their autograph sessions afterwards.

 

[Wintersun]

I see where both of you are coming from and agree to an extent about the whole drama thing. Helluva was initially meant to be more comedic and less serious than Hazbin, what with it being a spin-off, and yet here we are with plenty of drama having cropped up. It’s not something that I necessarily mind - Loo Loo Land is one of my favorite episodes. And I get that Viv wanted to focus on a separate side story, that’s fine, but at this rate it feels like Helluva and Hazbin will be so similar in tone to the point of wondering why she even bothered. Though she does seem like the type of person who’s indecisive about these things, so.


They’ve done one of these before, it’s just the cast watching episodes and then plugging their autograph sessions afterwards.

That's pretty lame. Oh well.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I think enjoyment of the episode is entirely dependent on what you thought of Stolas beforehand.

I honestly changed my mind on Stolas BECAUSE of the episode. Before I thought he was a piece of shit for cheating on his wife, now I think he's a flawed and lonely person caught in a bad situation. Doesn't mean what he did was RIGHT, but...