Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

Blaming porn and the sex trade industry on women is fucking hysterical seeing as how it’s owned and operated by men.
Using it to also try, and pin troonism on women is pretty pathetic, too. Not only is it wrong, it implies all it took for men to cut off their dicks was seeing some whore suck some other guy's.

Not really the win you're looking for, you know?
 
I was a full on "Transwomen are Women" guy at first.
Then I called a black TIM "dude" like I had done with all my other female coworkers.

Needless to say, seeing them shift from their obvious fetish mode of girly bimbo to a violent man a foot taller than me in a matter of seconds was enough to shake me awake. No woman had ever shown such sheer aggression to me (as I don't go around being a shitty person), but men I knew had, and for reasons just as petty. It really was an eye opening moment to see their act fall apart in real time.
 
Using it to also try, and pin troonism on women is pretty pathetic, too. Not only is it wrong, it implies all it took for men to cut off their dicks was seeing some whore suck some other guy's.

Not really the win you're looking for, you know?
It’s a ridiculous argument. Women are socialised to be empathetic and tolerant. We don’t have the body strength like men do, so even when women feel threatened they try to work out of situations with kindness. There are exceptions to this ofc, but women as a whole appear to be more tolerant because we’ve kinda evolved to be the peacekeepers. It’s when we’re with fellow women (and sometimes men) we deeply trust does the guard slip.

Most normal women are deeply disgusted with the porn industry, and believe me, there are a lot more transphobes among our sex than we let on. Hardly any women asked for this. Women just play nice and hope things tend to sort themselves out, but unfortunately this often backfires.
 
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This may sound arrogant, but bear with me. I never really got the peak of trans shit, because the whole idea is based on a pack of lies. Until we as a species somehow find a way to actually change our sex, for good or ill, all trans shit is is a way to deflect or insulate from criticism, or for a select few, a way to cope with confounding mental issues.

Any trans person that says they are the opposite sex is lying, both to you and themselves. It's really that simple. The whole reason that the trans thing has metastasized the way it has is also very simple. It's another left wing racket like environmentalism, civil rights, and to a smaller extent, feminism, as much as that's been subverted. There has always been much money to be made on the backs of clueless altruists.

Trans bullshit beyond the terminally online activist crowd is just a huge grift. I could give a fuck about some nobody flaunting pronouns at me like it matters, but what does matter is the kids. Keep that ideology to your own life, and people might look down on you for your lies, but they will leave you to it. Mess with the young, and you may wind up dead in the process.
 
This may sound arrogant, but bear with me. I never really got the peak of trans shit, because the whole idea is based on a pack of lies. Until we as a species somehow find a way to actually change our sex, for good or ill, all trans shit is is a way to deflect or insulate from criticism, or for a select few, a way to cope with confounding mental issues.

Any trans person that says they are the opposite sex is lying, both to you and themselves. It's really that simple. The whole reason that the trans thing has metastasized the way it has is also very simple. It's another left wing racket like environmentalism, civil rights, and to a smaller extent, feminism, as much as that's been subverted. There has always been much money to be made on the backs of clueless altruists.

Trans bullshit beyond the terminally online activist crowd is just a huge grift. I could give a fuck about some nobody flaunting pronouns at me like it matters, but what does matter is the kids. Keep that ideology to your own life, and people might look down on you for your lies, but they will leave you to it. Mess with the young, and you may wind up dead in the process.
What separates the things you listed along with transgenderism as being grifts is that they started out as local folk movements that legitimately wanted to cause change for the better of the Earth and humanity. There is—or, was—altruism amongst these groups, it’s just that corporations have a penchant for glomming onto anything they think will benefit shareholders and try to make a mint out of it.

With the trans movement itself, yeah that’s pretty much a grift that’s capitalising on the undiagnosed mental illnesses of vulnerable people/assholes since mental health care in the United States is absolutely fucked. Also the fact that gay rights became legalised made Democrats realise they needed a new minority they could pander to, so they hopped onto the next letter. This country would rather find ways to rake in capital for an industry and figure out ways to secure voters rather than actually work with people to solve issues.
 
What separates the things you listed along with transgenderism as being grifts is that they started out as local folk movements that legitimately wanted to cause change for the better of the Earth and humanity. There is—or, was—altruism amongst these groups, it’s just that corporations have a penchant for glomming onto anything they think will benefit shareholders and try to make a mint out of it.

With the trans movement itself, yeah that’s pretty much a grift that’s capitalising on the undiagnosed mental illnesses of vulnerable people/assholes since mental health care in the United States is absolutely fucked. Also the fact that gay rights became legalised made Democrats realise they needed a new minority they could pander to, so they hopped onto the next letter. This country would rather find ways to rake in capital for an industry and figure out ways to secure voters rather than actually work with people to solve issues.

I think as well there's this idea where somthing that should be just a fun passtime for the weekend (wear women's clothes, jack off, go back to being normal) has been reconstructed as YOUR ENTIRE IDENTITY IS BASED AROUND THE 24/7 COOM, so there's a massive push to have "gender euphoria" (the sexual arousal that comes from fetish play) being a thing that must be achieved even while interacting with regular people going about their daily lives.
 
What separates the things you listed along with transgenderism as being grifts is that they started out as local folk movements that legitimately wanted to cause change for the better of the Earth and humanity. There is—or, was—altruism amongst these groups, it’s just that corporations have a penchant for glomming onto anything they think will benefit shareholders and try to make a mint out of it.

With the trans movement itself, yeah that’s pretty much a grift that’s capitalising on the undiagnosed mental illnesses of vulnerable people/assholes since mental health care in the United States is absolutely fucked. Also the fact that gay rights became legalised made Democrats realise they needed a new minority they could pander to, so they hopped onto the next letter. This country would rather find ways to rake in capital for an industry and figure out ways to secure voters rather than actually work with people to solve issues.
I'm not trying to be a dick outright on my second account, but really? If you read my post, all that is covered. The real meat of the argument is that trans ppl are being used for political ends, and there are far bigger assholes enriching themselves off all the misplaced altruism, whether it be trans shit, or whatever the left wing cause du jour is. It has never been about republicans and democrats, that's politics dumbed down to a binary for revenue.

This may be an unpopular opinion here, but trans ppl are still people, as abhorrent and disgusting as some of their lives are documented here. I'm not a fan of the trend, I'm not a fan of the idiocy, but I will stand firm in the stance that I want to hear their voices too. If I seek to silence them, who do I go to for the truth? They won't go away because I wish that to be so, so even though I can't stand their hypocrisy and bullshit, why would I trust a fabrication meant to smear them?

I want to hear it all, and make my own opinions and decisions. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
 
I think as well there's this idea where somthing that should be just a fun passtime for the weekend (wear women's clothes, jack off, go back to being normal) has been reconstructed as YOUR ENTIRE IDENTITY IS BASED AROUND THE 24/7 COOM, so there's a massive push to have "gender euphoria" (the sexual arousal that comes from fetish play) being a thing that must be achieved even while interacting with regular people going about their daily lives.
It's really very similar to porn being just completely normal for the mainstream (as in, men normalize it and set the conversation while women don't share what they think of it much with men, out of a desire to be diplomatic/peace keeping/'tolerant'). And the 'don't kink shame me' phrase being so common now.
It's interesting, how much women keep among themselves, out of fear of not seeming nice/provoking men, that likely many men don't see through women nodding along to things they blatantly disagree with. Women's status in the public sphere etc is still too precarious to try and cause trouble. It ends up creating a false image that's quite fake. Women don't watch porn. But being anti porn gets wrapped up with other values like keeping women in the kitchen, no birth control, etc. The sexual liberation was a blessing and a curse for women. Every woman has to smile and nod about porn now.
No wonder troons think they understand womanhood, out in the open it's one easily digested package deal that's all smiles to keep the peace. Away from men is an entirely different reality. But if you're a troon, they de facto never experience anything but a mixed sex group with women, by virtue of their taking part.
 
so there's a massive push to have "gender euphoria" (the sexual arousal that comes from fetish play
I can't find it again but I saw a completely sincere (and heavily "awarded") Reddit comment the other day that said it was totally normal to get boners while shaving your legs or doing other "gender-affirming" things. It doesn't mean it's a fetish, it means that - and I quote - "Gender euphoria just hits different sometimes."
 
I can't find it again but I saw a completely sincere (and heavily "awarded") Reddit comment the other day that said it was totally normal to get boners while shaving your legs or doing other "gender-affirming" things. It doesn't mean it's a fetish, it means that - and I quote - "Gender euphoria just hits different sometimes."
I swear to god euphoria has just become a catch-all term for troons to masquerade their arousal so that it comes off as being less creepy. It’s either that or they’re explaining some vague-ass feeling similar to what a lot of New Agers do with the word “energy” and how it’s relative to their feelings. Its become a bullshit word.
 
Most normal women are deeply disgusted with the porn industry, and believe me, there are a lot more transphobes among our sex than we let on. Hardly any women asked for this.

College-educated women and single women voted decisively for the left in 2020, and "protect trans kids" was a core part of the left's messaging, not some secret they're only now letting out. So, uh, yeah, women did ask for this. When it came down to a troon in every ladies' room or mean tweets, women chose the troons.
 
College-educated women and single women voted decisively for the left in 2020. So, uh, yeah, you kinda did ask for this. When it came down to a troon in every ladies' room or mean tweets, women chose the troons.
Leftism is a catch-all term for many different ideologies, the reason these demographics voted Democrat is because there’s literally no other options. You can vote Progressive or Green but they never win, and they are also corrupt as shit. This country is set up to be a strictly two-party system and it sucks.
 
College-educated women and single women voted decisively for the left in 2020, and "protect trans kids" was a core part of the left's messaging, not some secret they're only now letting out. So, uh, yeah, women did ask for this. When it came down to a troon in every ladies' room or mean tweets, women chose the troons.
Convincing me further we need to end democracy.
 
Leftism is a catch-all term for many different ideologies, the reason these demographics voted Democrat is because there’s literally no other options. You can vote Progressive or Green but they never win, and they are also corrupt as shit. This country is set up to be a strictly two-party system and it sucks.

Leftism is a catch-all for "framing prudence and wisdom as mean and heartless, and proposing socially destructive, moronic ideas as kind-hearted," which is why it's catnip for women voters. Telling people they can't do things or can't have things is mean. Force and law are mean.

So yeah, there was another option in 2020, but involved MEAN things like arresting human traffickers at the border, closing up shops in China, and telling men in dresses that they aren't women. Now that troonism has been framed as "protecting trans kids" from those MEAN conservatives, women are buying into it en masse.

For example, only 53% of women think a pervert in a sports bra shouldn't be allowed to clobber women on the lacrosse field, while 72% men prioritize protecting women from having their femurs shattered over hurting some weird faggot's feelings.

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You look at any poll on this where the results are broken down by gender, women will always be more strongly in favor or less opposed to troon insanity than men, because it's been framed as the "nice" choice.
 
College-educated women and single women voted decisively for the left in 2020, and "protect trans kids" was a core part of the left's messaging, not some secret they're only now letting out. So, uh, yeah, women did ask for this. When it came down to a troon in every ladies' room or mean tweets, women chose the troons.
Funny how you conveniently leave out how the Left caters to women better than the Right does, even if it does also mean catering to troons.

Turns out women will put up with Kyle becoming Kylie if it means still being able to vote, and having bodily-autonomy.

Edit: Genuine question here. Besides "lol fuck trannies" what does the Right offer better than the Left when it comes to women's interests? Because outside of the tranny thing, I can't think of anything.
 
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It's really very similar to porn being just completely normal for the mainstream (as in, men normalize it and set the conversation while women don't share what they think of it much with men, out of a desire to be diplomatic/peace keeping/'tolerant'). And the 'don't kink shame me' phrase being so common now.
It's interesting, how much women keep among themselves, out of fear of not seeming nice/provoking men, that likely many men don't see through women nodding along to things they blatantly disagree with. Women's status in the public sphere etc is still too precarious to try and cause trouble. It ends up creating a false image that's quite fake. Women don't watch porn. But being anti porn gets wrapped up with other values like keeping women in the kitchen, no birth control, etc. The sexual liberation was a blessing and a curse for women. Every woman has to smile and nod about porn now.
No wonder troons think they understand womanhood, out in the open it's one easily digested package deal that's all smiles to keep the peace. Away from men is an entirely different reality. But if you're a troon, they de facto never experience anything but a mixed sex group with women, by virtue of their taking part.
Women most certainly do watch porn. Not in the same numbers as men, but unfortunately many are sucked into habitual porn usage because of early exposure, unfulfilling sex lives, or their husbands introducing them to it. Pornography is pushed on both genders these days, and we’re starting to see sexual dysfunction amongst women in record numbers due to it. Society reinforces the idea that porn is a safe outlet for ‘sexual exploration’ in teens, but this is bullshit and statistically the earlier you’re exposed the higher likelihood that you end up addicted and needing weirder shit to get off. I’m not going to go as far as saying all porn should be banned (though society would certainly be better for it), but its ease of access and permissiveness is one of the major pitfalls of the modern west.

That being said, women still have some pretty significant hurdles to jump through. For many it’s easier to keep quiet (‘keep sweet’ to quote the Mormon cultists), especially in traditionalist circles. There are many conservative, traditionalist women who are chided by the left for being ‘handmaidens’, while also attacked by their own ideological compatriots for being ‘too femnazi’ for daring to voice an opinion. This is particularly annoying to me, because traditional lifestyles should celebrate a woman’s role as the backbone of a functional society, not belittle them for it.

Troons can never understand these struggles, they relate to women in the same vein a misogynistic man would, ‘keep quiet and let me walk all over you’. Subconsciously they feel superior, because, regardless of their fetish, they are men. Men who feel entitled.

Funny how you conveniently leave out how the Left caters to women better than the Right does, even if it does also mean catering to troons.

Turns out women will put up with Kyle becoming Kylie if it means still being able to vote, and having bodily-autonomy.
As a politically far right leaning guy this is pretty much spot on in some of the circles I travel in. You’ll have men saying ‘we need to protect women from troons because they are special’, but in the same breath ‘we want to take away their right to vote’, and expect women to still vote them into power. For most men in the alt right traditionalist lifestyles are a larp anyway. You’ll have guys who refuse to get married because of ‘principles’ but still want to have kids or cohabitate. Yeah, super trad of you king.

Most people across the political spectrum don’t really care about society, just whatever is convenient for them, be it justifying a fetish or justifying some weird narcissistic superiority.

I’m going to my tent to have a smoke.
 
For me, I've always had an aversion, but the real thing that locked me into it was figuring out there's no "good" trannies. Their entire identity is based off of lying to themselves about who they are, and every tranny I've ever met has been a broken person who is so far in their delusions they're really only best avoided.

Trannies are a pit and they try to drag others in with them, because they're sick and want others to suffer like they do. Normalizing it isn't about becoming happy themselves, it's about enabling them easier access to people to drag down.
 
Edit: Genuine question here. Besides "lol fuck trannies" what does the Right offer better than the Left when it comes to women's interests? Because outside of the tranny thing, I can't think of anything.
Basically nothing, because the Right sees most of women's issues as having been manufactured by the Left, and some particularly moronic far-right idiots want to revoke rights women have already attained. And nothing gets people to vote against you quite like telling them you'll take away something they already have.
 
Funny how you conveniently leave out how the Left caters to women better than the Right does, even if it does also mean catering to troons.

Turns out women will put up with Kyle becoming Kylie if it means still being able to vote, and having bodily-autonomy.
This is my (and probably others') frustration with representative democracy that's fossilized into a two-party system. If this year's big issue is, say, abortions and that's what informs your choice, there's no way to asterisk your vote to say "fuck authoritarian support of trannies tho, also build modern, safe nuclear power plants." (For example.)

You have to pick the least bad entree and you don't get a choice of sides.
 
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