Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

As a politically far right leaning guy this is pretty much spot on in some of the circles I travel in. You’ll have men saying ‘we need to protect women from troons because they are special’, but in the same breath ‘we want to take away their right to vote’, and expect women to still vote them into power.
Speaking from the left, one reason I don't see the right's message on trans issues being effective on left leaning female voters, is that we've seen the right (meaning US republican type politicians. plenty of sane, respectable center-right parties in europe) cynically using select women's issues as a political weapon too many times.

For example, during the Trump years (and before and beyond) republicans railed about sexual harassment, assault and rape to bash immigrants while enacting policies that made it harder to identify and reduce sexual harassment and assault in the work place, campuses etc., electing extremely questionable characters to office, and of course now literally forcing women to carry their rapists babies. Among other things.

Whenever you see an article on women's sports leagues, I can almost guarantee there are conservative men in the comments section bashing and belittling women's sports popularity and viability in the meanest possible way for no apparent reason. When women then see right-wing men defending women's sports from the trannie invasion, many can't help but to think they are only doing it to attack minorities.

I'm sure there are instances where conservatives see the left selectively using various issues only to attack the right.

Most effective critiques always comes from within. That's why the internal ultra woke self policing on the left and trump cult shit on the right is so corrosive to the political process. That's also why, if you ask me, it is important not to demonize and attack every tranny and LGBT+-^2 activist that moves. Divide and conquer.
 
I have always been iffy on trans stuff, when I was a teenager I was into the “anti-feminist” and “anti-SJW” scene on tumblr and seeing the use of neopronouns put a bad taste in my mouth. Then, after I went off to college and outgrew my anti-feminist/SJW phase, I went through a phase where I was like “well, trans people just want to be accepted like everyone else, they aren’t hurting anyone.” I wanted to be a good intersectional feminist. Then, as I started using lcf and kf more, I realized that they aren’t just wanting to be accepted like everyone else and they aren’t harmless. For a while I was like “well the hsts ones are harmless,” but they aren’t. They hate women just as much as the transbians. There was never any “one” thing that peaked me though, just the accumulation of things.

I once saw a screenshot of a Reddit post that said “if I hadn’t realized I was trans, I would have committed a mass shooting.” Of course from a transbian. Another thing that pushed me to fully peaking was learning a man in a dress was a mod of the two x chromosomes subreddit. I once posted in that subreddit a few years ago venting about something violating a man did to me and quickly received comments about what he did wasn’t a big deal and wasn’t illegal (I wasn’t asking about the legality of it). I deleted my post. Looking back, those comments were probably from other men in dresses now that I know the mods are just men. Being forced to accept that women can have a penis, menstruation isn’t a female bodily function, men can have the brains of women, etc. has also driven me to peak. I am supposed to deny the science I have a degree in. The science my body tells me is real.

I mention men in dresses a lot in my rant but not trans men. I don’t like transmen either and I don’t agree with seeing them as “lost sisters.” I have marginally more sympathy for them just because most are SA survivors who can’t cope with femininity. But they are also “man”lets who can’t cope with nobody wanting to sleep with their short asses. They assume it’s because they’re short, not because they have awful personalities. It’s both.
 
@Bunny Tracks, had a long response, but felt I was derailing the thread.

When women then see right-wing men defending women's sports from the trannie invasion, many can't help but to think they are only doing it to attack minorities.

"Yeah, I mean, this is clearly a dude, and he's physically powerful enough to seriously hurt the girls, but the people saying he shouldn't be allowed to do that are rude and mean, so I'd better support letting him onto the field to be on the safe side."
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This is why I don't see any point in opposing troons in women's sports. Women can vote, women have power, let women decide.
 
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This is why I don't see any point in opposing troons in women's sports. Women can vote, women have power, let women decide.
For years I’ve heard “The Future is Female” but these brave and bold leaders of the future still can’t get anything done without men taking up their causes. I say that if women can’t expel men from their own sports then the future isn’t really female all along. Unless the “female” has an eight inch dick and a five o’clock shadow.

The vast majority of suburban and urban white women will still virtue signal and support trannies anyway. Unless we want to go back to equal rights, I think this is something our brave and bold wymyn leaders should take up. I’ve heard nonstop about how much better women leaders are so this is a great opportunity to see this in action.
 
I had known an FtM for four years, and she was the most miserable person I've ever known. Her transition stemmed from sexual abuse by a family member, which she admitted outright, and her desire to be a man was that she never wanted to be abused like that again.

All the sympathy and empathy shown by those around her and the HRT didn't help, and she committed suicide during the pandemic. There were many times we heard from her about wishing to be a man and wishing to have a penis, to which we could say nothing because it was inappropriate and beyond our comprehension.

I stumbled upon this forum after that and did more research about transgenderism which made me realize that transitioning is to the 21st century what the lobotomy was to the 20th. The sooner people stop transitioning and deal with the deep-seated problems that lead to that idea, the sooner things will get better for them.
 
I'm sure there are instances where conservatives see the left selectively using various issues only to attack the right.
It is hypocritical both for the right to attack trannies in women's sports (even though it is the correct position), while generally being pretty shit on women's rights, just as it is hypocritical for the left, which prides itself on being "progressive" on such issues, to sit idly by or actively push men into women's sports over the objections of real women.
The vast majority of suburban and urban white women will still virtue signal and support trannies anyway.
A lot of people get redpilled when it's suddenly their daughter getting her face smashed so badly she needs facial reconstruction surgery, invariably by some hulking ogre of a tranny in some grotesque parody of a sporting event.
This is why I don't see any point in opposing troons in women's sports. Women can vote, women have power, let women decide.
I can express my support and agree with them, but this is really a fight they're going to have to win themselves. So long as they have weak sisters and handmaidens on the side of the trannies there's very little men can do about it. If Carrie Nation could go into a bar with an axe and deprive a crowded room of drunks of their booze, they can certainly manage to fuck up some troons.
 
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At this point this is common statement in this thread, but while my initial exposure to trans stuff was confusing and strange, I did accept that people have the right to do what they want with their bodies and there was no need to cause conflict over people's personal choices.

This was before I actually had much experience with transgenders, particularly, MtF, or more colloquially, dicksnippers, eunuchs, hunchbacks, et cetera. I know people online who are such- they're generally nice people and are passive and harmless, but they're very clearly mentally unwell, and one openly admits to it but not in the way I think they need to.

Over the years I think I've identified three main subsets of tranny- I'm limiting these to MtF, since my experience with FtM is near nonexistent. First, the "true" trans, which would be somebody with a genetic disorder that well and truly interferes with their brain's ability to identify as a particular sex, see XXY and that sort of thing. Second, are the exploitative perverts. These have overlap with the final most relevant subset, but I'm still of the opinion these contemptible sorts are still not the majority, even if their identity does mean they're unwisely protected by the others.

The final sort is the hyper emasculated self effacing male, that I believe is the vast, vast majority. They are mentally unwell, and have linked their unhappiness to the expectations of society for males, whether they recognize it as such or not. Many MtF I've heard talk about this say they didn't " feel like a man." Getting around the fact that they don't know what it's like to feel like a woman, what does it mean to feel like a man? You could write a book on this, but I'll summarize it in a few words as "dominant, successful, and decisive." The general expectation of a man in every society is to show strength and independence and to be the breadwinner, and every single troon I've come to know, to put it bluntly and without mercy, has been weak willed and overly emotional, and in short, has decided they'd rather not be men because they either feel incapable of fulfilling and/or want to hide away from the male obligation, while not shedding the perks, ie the hypersexualization and "transbian" attraction to females.

Yet, because they're biological males, the idol of transgenderism has invariably turned out to be a false god, as the source of their misery isn't something they've been provided an actual solution to. One of these people complains on a regular basis about how they hate their appearance and their voice- their unhappiness is compounded by their new identity rather than assuaged.

Online people and IRL people are differently handled, though. Yes, this example of a person is very mentally unwell and is not taking proper action to solve their actual problems rather than hiding in a metaphorical hole (a stinkditch- but they haven't had srs so there's still hope there). I think my limit has been reached with an actual irl example, involving the family of a family friend.

See, this person is a rather typical MtF, I think, in that when I saw them, they just looked like a guy with long hair. When you look like me when I shave my face, sorry, but my go to reaction isn't "that's a woman." Relatively recently, at an event a their mother took them to ( they live at home and do not work) they were accosted by a homeless man. Hobos are a whole other can of worms societally, but the point is that they tend to (also) be very mentally unwell and less able to properly socialize. A well rounded person knows this and tries to be patient, but in the face of being mocked by an old hobo, the troon evidently lacked the mental fortitude to accept that some grody old crazy hobo had the gall to berate their cosmetics and appearance, otherwise known as what every person has to deal with at some point if they go outside. This is a person who does not help out around the house with their elderly parents or disabled sister, this is somebody who is not resilient enough to accept the consequences of their own choices or that anybody at all would do anything besides accept them.

Of note is that my parents are relatively left leaning (mother moreso than my father of course) and they still talk about how tiresome it is, and how tiresome it's gotten in general as society has chosen to celebrate the charade and punish any contention or criticism.

My conclusion is thus that trannies are severely mentally unwell people given the equivalent of new-age treatments with glitter and quartz crystal energy, whose insular nature combined with male behavioral traits results in an aggressive outcast caste who lack the willpower and mental fortitude to function properly in a society that, by the nature of humanity, will have its differences with one another. This has led a number to seek control and influence over people they have no commonality with, no empathy for, while being unaccepting of any compromise or perception of restrictions on themselves. This is an extremely dangerous path- not to the majority of people, I think, but to themselves. Already I know a lot of people who are pretty fed up with the bullshit, and if the troons don't start doing more house cleaning, I fear a serious risk of disproportionate backlash rather than the ideal solution of not making treatment of mental illness a political statement and treating dysphoria as a disease to be treated rather than a fantasy to be indulged.

I've seen a statement against the recent Canadian laws concerning assisted suicide (I refuse to use their propaganda downplaying term) by a psychiatrist who basically summarizes the problem of the mentally unwell being unfit to decide whether they should kill themselves or not, as they will readily choose short term release over long term health and gain because they're, you know, mentally ill. The insane should not run the asylum for good reason, but for some reason, this monstrosity of society has been deemed the best source on how to treat their own insanity. This absurdity must be amended. We do not take the word of murderous psychopaths as sound advice when they say all they need to be better is a steady stream of nubile young women to torture and murder, the mentally unwell need to be treated as such, for their own good, or else we will be left with a lost generation of Peter Pansexuals who never grew up or learned how to weather the harshness of the world.

The IRL experience has finally crystalized this belief that, for the vast majority, people going trans is self destructive at best, and at worst, an active detriment to those around them as their maintenance demands increase and their expectations inflate disproportionately to their appearance and wellbeing. The sentiment that this is the modern equivalent of lobotomies is one I well agree with, but it's not something transgender people will sacrifice. They are averse to self improvement and introspection in a way that isn't a fantasy, they prefer to deny reality rather than face its hard truths, and exhaust their support groups and social structure as they demand other people submit to their imaginary world.

Unfortunately for them, and hopefully not unfortunately for the future, the solution will have to be external, or there will have to be a revolution of thought in their spheres.
 
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Are there actually men who believe this? That there is some sort of woman cabal that is out to make men into coomers by subjugating other women so that men view them as mere sex objects? I’m pretty anti feminist, but even I know that is an utterly retarded take. Only pop feminists support sex work, the overwhelming majority of them are blatantly anti porn. Here’s a tip, why not look into who actually pulls the strings in the porn industry? Might be enlightening.

But that’s another discussion for another thread.

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There never was a peak for me. The very idea that someone can change gender is pure nonsense and anyone who thinks it’s possible is delusional. That and the fact that transgender people are genuinely scary, Buffalo Bill was probably the most accurate depiction of a ‘trans woman’ ever put to paper. I don’t mollycoddle insanity, especially knowing these are the types of men who would put my female family members a risk.

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Actually there has been one instance where I have lost all empathy and compassion. A year or so back there was a controversy in the incel thread about a suicide site being censored, a site that was modded by at least one prominent member of the incel community. I’ve kept up with the story since, dropping in from time to time to lurk. It is a very depressing place, but also one where people can vent, which is good. However, I’ve noticed a good many new members are trans, and it’s been interesting getting a window into the brains of suicidal troons. One particular user stood out, I’ll post some screencaps:
Notice any reoccurring themes here? There’s the seething hatred at women for daring to just exist in this person’s vicinity, which is pretty disturbing in and of itself, but what is most prominent is the utterly misogynistic view of a woman’s value being based on how attractive she is. Nowhere will you see a troon want to be a woman for the sake of actually being a woman, being a mother, filling traditionally feminine roles (outside of fetishization), being a loving wife…it’s all so superficial to them. Being a woman goes only as deep as being ‘pretty’. Can you imagine wanting to kill yourself because you can’t be a 20 something pretty uwu Korean girl? It is incomprehensible to me, especially seeing other posts, like where a woman is now suicidal because she lost her daughter and husband to a drunk driver, or a man who has been diagnosed with a terminal illnesses and has no ability to pay for treatment. I have seen this user tell a depressed woman to get over herself because at least she got to be a cute teen girl…

And they still get asspats for how hard their lives are being born ‘wrong’. Unbelievable.
Sorry for the slightly late response to this, but wow. It's incredibly disturbing to read the inner thoughts of a person like this. You're exactly right in your characterization of it as "seething hatred at women for daring just to exist in his vicinity", and it's frankly pretty scary to think that any woman or girl could unwittingly encounter a guy like this on a bad day and inadvertently set him off. You wouldn't even know what you'd gotten into, because I'm sure he just looks like the average neckbeard. One of my major issues with the entire transgender movement is that as a woman, a particular subset of troons feels VERY physically threatening to me. This dude is one of them. I do not like being threatened with violence simply for having a vagina. It sucks.

Also, and really, this was my primary motivation for responding, is what does this guy expect from typing all these "reeee suicide" messages? Whatever he might say, he wants attention and validation. That's it. You cannot reason with a person like this. Look at all those thinly veiled threats he's made. He wants people to drop everything they're doing to consider his pain and make him feel like the reason for his suffering is something outside himself, beyond his control. Everyone has their own pain, somewhere inside themselves. Most of us find a way to deal with it and continue to live. People like this guy think that their suffering is somehow more important than that of literally every other person, and everyone should stop whatever they're doing to witness it. It's like that old cartoon of a patient saying, "Doctor, it hurts when I do this", and then the doctor tells them, "Well, don't do that". People like this guy want to keep "doing this" and they want everyone else to watch in silent awe. They don't want help. They don't want to change. They want to someone else to tell them what they want to hear. Anything to maintain that external locus of control. At some point, you cannot save a person, and you just have to respond, "do what you feel you must, but I can't cope with listening to it anymore". This guy is at that point. Honestly, if someone actually cared about him, they should say that if he really feels that his life is just interminable suffering with no relief in sight, it's his right to end it. Instead, we're supposed to lie to him.

He wants something that isn't possible, and instead of telling him as much and pointing him to resources to help him figure out how to live contentedly in his body, we as a society are now telling him that oh, yeah, he totally CAN become an uwu valid woman, just have to get a few surgeries and then it's smooth sailing. This is an unconscionable lie. He's already fucking suffering, and the only socially acceptable thing to tell him is that yes, he can too totes become a lady, even gynecologists can't tell the difference, and it will fix everything. Then, in a couple years' time, when he has no sexual function and can't even take a piss like he used to, who is left to pick up the pieces? Obviously, if he had anyone in his life who genuinely gave a shit, he wouldn't be in this position. Somehow I don't think that having a major, futile surgery with a lengthy recovery is going to improve that.

Disgusting all around.
 
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College-educated women and single women voted decisively for the left in 2020, and "protect trans kids" was a core part of the left's messaging, not some secret they're only now letting out. So, uh, yeah, women did ask for this. When it came down to a troon in every ladies' room or mean tweets, women chose the troons.
why is my opinion suddenly magically the same as the majority only (not a universal, mind you) vote of another country I have no say over much less ever want to go to, and the same as an group I am not in, labelled as a participant of an educational institution that has clearly gone to shit and glad I was never inside of
 
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Years before Tumblr was made, I was classmates now Tumblr using landwhales with cuts across her arms, much like Fattest Ice she trooned out being mentally ill sjw who lived off diet of doughnuts, cigarettes and cheap beer.

I saw this shit while it wasn't even current year thing, even then troons caused deep seated disgust to come for surface.

The ideology is flawed, all troons are retarded, they radiate how fake they are.
Now we have generation of kids on Discord cry how bad gender dysphoria feels.

And generation alphas are supposed the future, absolutely pathetic.

Watching entire generations of people as genetic dead ends and won't contribute anything meaningful to society is like watching a person slowly dying from brain cancer.
 
Around 2010-2011, a fat autistic man in a skirt started trying to join my social circle(s), and made everyone walk on eggshells because he had a temper (especially with misgendering).

In retrospect I realize that he didn't really have any other social life so I feel a bit bad about it now, but eventually I just told him to fuck off because he was scaring away a girl I was interested in.

Honestly the biggest issue I have with transsexualism is that it's just another cudgel that sociopaths now use to protect themselves from justice.
 
Well my trans “friend” of six years just came out to me and told me they aren’t transgender, they’re “non-binary”. This happened right after she finally started working a full-time job and snagged a boyfriend she genuinely loves. I had a feeling she wasn’t truly trans but I’m elated she didn’t jump on the route of altering her body. I think she’s just a heterosexual girl but she wants to feel quirky.

It just makes me wonder how many other people there are out there that are in the same boat. Probably a lot.
 
It is hypocritical both for the right to attack trannies in women's sports (even though it is the correct position), while generally being pretty shit on women's rights,
That Conservatives are “shit on women’s rights” is of course a leftist talking point and patently untrue.

The right is against special treatment and protected classes, including legislative special action on feminist talking points.

That’s about how “shut they are on women’s issues, unless you include welfare and gibs as “women’s issues”.
 
Well my trans “friend” of six years just came out to me and told me they aren’t transgender, they’re “non-binary”. This happened right after she finally started working a full-time job and snagged a boyfriend she genuinely loves. I had a feeling she wasn’t truly trans but I’m elated she didn’t jump on the route of altering her body. I think she’s just a heterosexual girl but she wants to feel quirky.

It just makes me wonder how many other people there are out there that are in the same boat. Probably a lot.
This kind of reminds me of a girl I know who claims to be pansexual and be attracted to everyone. She probably is bi-sexual ( at least that's what we called it in my day) but she doesn't truly seem to be attracted to everyone despite what she says. Let's just say actions speak louder than words. I think they just say this to not be labeled a transphobe.

I doubt very much she'd fuck a tranny. Call me an asshole. Don't care. Just my 2 cents.
 
I'm pretty sure it's not liberals passing laws forcing women to give birth to rape babies.

And that whole framing is dishonest and leftist propaganda.

Abortion isn’t “pro woman” or “anti woman”. It’s an ethical/moral issue, and historically women are just as likely to be pro life as pro choice.

(Look at Gallup’s polling graphs and women seesaws back and forth around 50%).

In fact, women are more likely to support restrictions on abortions than to support no restrictions whatsoever on abortions.

Europe of course has always had stricter rules on abortions than America since Roe vs. Wade, and I’d hardly call Europe neither “conservative” nor “anti women”.
 
And that whole framing is dishonest and leftist propaganda.

Abortion isn’t “pro woman” or “anti woman”. It’s an ethical/moral issue, and historically women are just as likely to be pro life as pro choice.

(Look at Gallup’s polling graphs and women seesaws back and forth around 50%).

In fact, women are more likely to support restrictions on abortions than to support no restrictions whatsoever on abortions.

Europe of course has always had stricter rules on abortions than America since Roe vs. Wade, and I’d hardly call Europe neither “conservative” nor “anti women”.
Abortion is not a moral or ethical issue. It's a practical and medical one. For as long as the human species continues to replicate via the uterus, there will be women who will desperately try to rid themselves of unwanted pregnancies. The reasons behind this desperation will range from the heartbreaking and tragic, to the infuriatingly selfish and banal. And these women will go to crooked doctors and inept midwives, if they are lucky enough to have them, and pay these dodgy bastards for a backyard abortion. If the women are unlucky, they must resort to the good old self administered wire coathanger, or the classic throwing throwing themselves down a flight of stairs .

In all cases, at best they run the risk of destroying their future fertility- absolutely tragic, if the conception of the foetus was forced- at worst, they'll end up dying of sepsis. Somewhere in the middle is possibly the most horrifying thing of all, and that's a baby, severely disabled from multiple failed attempts to abort it, born to a mother who utterly lacks any sort of positive attachment to it.

In the Good Old Days when everyone was mandated to be an obedient little Christian, and girls were taught to keep their legs closed until marriage, there was still a shitton of unwanted pregnancies and both the mothers and resulting babies suffered unspeakably because of it. You can preach abstinence and early marriage all you like; it doesn't work and never has.

If you really want to get rid of abortion and unwanted pregnancies, go hangout on a street corner and preach comprehensive sexual education to the masses, not catechism.
 
If you really want to get rid of abortion and unwanted pregnancies, go hangout on a street corner and preach comprehensive sexual education to the masses, not catechism.
Also fund more orphanages and encourage fostering/adopting children. Because even with comprehensive sexual education you're still going to get a lot of "whoops!" moments because you can teach teenagers and young adults anything you want... but they're still going to be idiots when it comes to fucking.
 
I can express my support and agree with them, but this is really a fight they're going to have to win themselves. So long as they have weak sisters and handmaidens on the side of the trannies there's very little men can do about it. If Carrie Nation could go into a bar with an axe and deprive a crowded room of drunks of their booze, they can certainly manage to fuck up some troons.
I'm not sure I can fully agree with "there's little men can do about it". I think there is stuff men can do about it, but the most prominent ones are, quite frankly, not exactly allies with women on other issues.

I agree wholeheartedly that weak sisters and handmaidens play a huge part in the continuation of this though. It goes back to the female socialization thing, how many women are sort of socialized to be more "accepting", in this case to a degree that harms other women. This is especially true, sadly, of certain types of white women, who think being the biggest ally will make the woke types who shit on them for being white women suddenly consider them one of the "good ones".

As we all know, they won't. If someone fucking hates you, they'll still hate you, no matter how much you try to suck up to them.
 
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