General GunTuber thread

[HumptiDouji]

I mean, I still don't fully understand the situation of handgun stocks

The 1934 National Firearms Act was intended as an outright ban on machineguns, silencers, and then handguns. Rifles and shotguns with short barrels were defined in there so that people wouldn't just shorten down long guns into handguns, and by those definitions a pistol with a stock isn't a normal rifle unless it's long enough.
The National Rifle Association makes a strong enough lobbying effort to get the provision for handguns specifically removed from the bill, but the SBR and SBS definitions, intended to prevent loopholes for handguns, are just kind of left there and they don't strictly serve any purpose on their own for the original intent of the law.

(imagine not having stocks or having to pay a premium for Stechkins, C96s or your Spanish copies).

The C96 Mauser is actually exempt from SBR status (I think up to like 1940 production, not sure how much of it was taking place after that point), due to being an antique-ass fucking 1800s design, and presumably for being weird and different compared to later pistols which became the convention, making it a Curio & Relic item. That is, as long as it has an original stock or a fitting replica of one. I believe that the typical Spanish clones are also mostly exempt, but don't quote me on that.
A few of the holster-stock pistols made in Spain also have some similar exemption, but not to the same sweeping degree.

The Stechkin was only ever made as a select-fire weapon to my knowledge, so that's an NFA item regardless of the length and if it has a stock or not. If someone ever managed to get their hands on a parts kit or something and then built a semi-auto Stechkin pistol, potentially it could have been petitioned for to have an individual exemption made for it due to being rare and unusual, there's a small number of pistols which have gotten an explicit pass on being an SBR that way.
A Stechkin parts kit build would get a premium regardless of NFA status just for rarity, however.

Discussing gun laws with Americans is useless, it's too much of a .... existential problem for them.

Because it's fucking important?

and sometimes a license is a useful tard filter

Yeah, it's actually very good that common people are forced by law to outsource their self-defense to a societal minority widely known for ineptitude, poor work ethics, and outright corruption, before even considering that they're completely unhelpful to the vast majority of people who live outside of urban areas, or women, who will just have to accept that they'll simply always have a significant disadvantage in force projection against any common criminal at all times, and they don't have a choice in the matter.

It's really much better that you don't feel embarrassed by the unrefined rabble and plebes who aren't as smart as you.

 

[74164978231]

The C96 Mauser is actually exempt from SBR status (I think up to like 1940 production, not sure how much of it was taking place after that point), due to being an antique-ass fucking 1800s design, and presumably for being weird and different compared to later pistols which became the convention, making it a Curio & Relic item. That is, as long as it has an original stock or a fitting replica of one. I believe that the typical Spanish clones are also mostly exempt, but don't quote me on that.
A few of the holster-stock pistols made in Spain also have some similar exemption, but not to the same sweeping degree.

iirc most similar pistols with holster/stock combos from the 1920s and early 1930s are SBR/NFA exempt.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

The ATF has already said they don't plan on putting any resources into actively pursuing any braces. It's just gonna be Bubba getting arrested at the public range cause he doesn't keep up with the news, or Jamal getting a federal charge on top of existing charges.

So the faggots confirmed this has nothing to do with "safety", as if these were so "dangerous", they'd be tracking down the "criminals" with them in their possession. God I hate the fucking feds. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but what the fuck is the point of laws if they openly admit they don't give a fuck unless you put the handcuffs on yourself and turn yourself in? Just to fuck over randos, is that really the point these "people" have gotten to?

Something I noticed about the people that Karl associates with is that they seem to be very disposed to left handedness. This is true for Ian, Russel, Deviant Ollam, and I had to watch a little of Atun Shei but he appears to be left handed, too (or at least ambidextrous).

Interesting factoid, lefties are overrepresented as pedos.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4151814/

 

[jkkf2204]

We'll be fine. I've given up in trying to understand the minutiae of US gun laws, depending on state or inanity they often make Euro gun laws look outright sensible. I mean, I still don't fully understand the situation of handgun stocks (imagine not having stocks or having to pay a premium for Stechkins, C96s or your Spanish copies).

Discussing gun laws with Americans is useless, it's too much of a .... existential problem for them. But regarding collectors, not all Europe is the UK, and sometimes a license is a useful tard filter. Machineguns and .50 cal, that's what I envy tho.

All gun laws are gay and retarded, but the barrier to entry in the US is way less than Euro laws. I am referring to comments I have seen numerous times in Forgotten Weapons videos about people self identifying as Europeans and saying how they hate seeing Americans having fun with guns shooting melons or whatever, but appreciate Ian being autistic and just showing mechanical crap instead, because they hate seeing the "destructive" part of guns. There is usually an air of aristocratic bullshit in the comment that makes it obvious it's a stiff assed Brit (or some dipshit New Englander if they don't say they are European, which is equally gay). I think even Karl and FarLeftRifleman posted a meme about this phenomenon of hating guns for plebs but liking content from pleb gun owners and how that is obviously an oxymoron.

Based Euro gun owners aren't what I am referring to. American gun owners are fucked over by our Byzantine bullshit laws without a doubt. I even own a few machineguns but I am uber cucked by the '86 ban when I want to buy more.

3d printers can be based though lol topkek.

 

[RSU 1741]

A Stechkin parts kit build would get a premium regardless of NFA status just for rarity, however.

Thank ye for the detailed reply, I almost forgot the "parts kit" and imports ban you have to manage. I find difficult to imagine not being able to import foreign guns in non-crippled condition or flat-out bans on getting Russian or Chinese guns.

Well, Russian guns are no-go since the recent unpleasantness.... but it's still weird to think that Americans need to cut into pieces foreign guns or pay a premium for "demilitarized" weaponry because once full auto, always full auto. You'll have to admit that decades of aggressive half-assed attempts have built something that's kinda weird from a foreign perspective, and I'm not referring to the culture war.

Because it's fucking important?

Yeah, it's actually very good that common people are forced by law to outsource their self-defense to a societal minority widely known for ineptitude, poor work ethics, and outright corruption

I understand. Nonetheless, that's why I said it's useless to discuss gun laws between Euros and Americans. The basic framework is far too different: Euros don't have constitutional rights to own guns, (most) Euros don't live in such an aggressive environment, most Euro voters are by standard scared by big bad guns, and we aren't yet to the point that the entire gun control discussion is a life-or-death battle between political parties that consider the other Satan. The virulence of American gun control discussion is a thing of wonder, I have simply to check the reactions to my post.

 

[DocAwe]

So the faggots confirmed this has nothing to do with "safety", as if these were so "dangerous", they'd be tracking down the "criminals" with them in their possession. God I hate the fucking feds. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but what the fuck is the point of laws if they openly admit they don't give a fuck unless you put the handcuffs on yourself and turn yourself in? Just to fuck over randos, is that really the point these "people" have gotten to?


Interesting factoid, lefties are overrepresented as pedos.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4151814/

Well there is also a misunderstanding here as well.
This shit with the aft isn't even law, it's an interpretation of a rule.
Only congress can create and pass laws.
The big problem here is the aft is making rules that basically carry the weight of a law.
Thus we basically have a bureaucracy that is effectively creating laws by fiat.
That's the reason they say dumbshit stuff like how they won't aggressively enforce it.
They know they can't.
And, even though they probably wouldn't, should get knocked around hard by any court that would bring up a challenge.
This is why you see them back down a lot.
A few solid defeats in court could see the complete end to their existence.

 

[HumptiDouji]

or flat-out bans on getting Russian or Chinese guns.

Russia had been facing increasing sanctions for their warfare, and for China, Norinco is the state concern which owns all arms and ammunition manufacture and their businesses, and the feds caught a Norinco exec trying to sell machineguns and RPGs to L.A gangbangers, so all in all that's their own fault, as much as AKs are nice.

You'll have to admit that decades of aggressive half-assed attempts have built something that's kinda weird from a foreign perspective, and I'm not referring to the culture war.

Yeah, the AFT deserves a couple of dozen more Oklahoma City's.

That's why I said it's useless to discuss gun laws between Euros and Americans.

That's because most of Europe are fucking retards perfectly content with being serfs.

Euros don't live in such an aggressive environment

There's shitloads of violence in all kinds of places in Europe which police are widely completely helpless or outright unwilling to stop. Even if there wasn't, the laws are fucking retarded, because again, Europeans ACTUALLY fucking think that it's a good idea to outsource your ability to defend yourself to a remote third party, for situations which can unfold and end in even half a minute.
German law strictly prohibiting German women from carrying lethal weapons is one of the primary reasons the Cologne Surprise Sextravaganza could even happen, think the perpetrators would have had the balls to pull that if they knew there was an even modest chance that they would shot?

most Euro voters are by standard scared by big bad guns, and we aren't yet to the point that the entire gun control discussion is a life-or-death battle between political parties that consider the other Satan.

European political parties are all turbocucked.

The virulence of American gun control discussion is a thing of wonder, I have simply to check the reactions to my post.

Because Americans don't want to suffer Europe's fate, you can already see how bullshit things are in California or New York.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Cokeman seems sure the brace ruling is going to go away, at least.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Cokeman seems sure the brace ruling is going to go away, at least.

He's probably right in the long term but I expect it to be several years in court before that happens. Also I don't know how much that will help you if you get caught with an "illegal SBR" in the mean time.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

2A-friendly and willing to gut the concept of federal level gun control are two extremely different things.

You don't need to gut the fish to pull a W out of that argument though. It just has to start being coherently plead in cases, and I think the evidence now exists to do so.

The ATF can reverse the rule change at any time and that's the real lever.

The key is to make them nervous enough to think that they might actually have stepped in a bigger beartrap by attempting to remove the rat-trap currently attached to their finger called "pistol braces".

The common use argument falls apart completely if they reverse, so the choice is between gambling on the courts, and reversing the rule but being MUCH more circumspect about approving pistol braces going forward but ultimately leaving the NFA impervious.

Pipedream perhaps, but I remain optimistic post Bruen.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Good news everyone!

 

[Blasterisk]

Good news everyone!
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if i cant get one with a faxon pencil barrel and no forward assist is it even worth having?

 

[Buttigieg2020]

if i cant get one with a faxon pencil barrel and no forward assist is it even worth having?

The barrels are interchangeable and available in 5.56. No forward assist on the STG44!

 

[HumptiDouji]

The barrels are interchangeable and available in 5.56. No forward assist on the STG44!

Yes there is, it's called assisting the charging handle forward.

 

[Mr. Confederate Man]

Good news everyone!
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Not a fan of Palmetto, but this tickles my tism

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I'd get one in x39.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Good news everyone!
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Let's see, a round of Youtubers who get hand-picked review copies will give it glowing reviews, then people who get the normal guns but are still on the hype train will give it glowing reviews despite obvious problems, until the hype wears off and everyone quietly agrees they're built like crap. That sound right?

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

MAC and Copper Customs on suicide watch.

 

[DocAwe]

$6000?
You can keep it.
I paid less than that for my truck.

 

[Mr. Confederate Man]

$6000?
You can keep it.
I paid less than that for my truck.

I paid twice what I paid for my truck to get a Garand