Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Useful_Mistake]

New European sanctions against Russia will include new export bans worth more than 10 billion euros ($10.7 billion) and will take on Russian president Vladimir Putin's propagandists, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen told reporters on Thursday.

"We will target Putin's propagandists because their lies are poisoning the public space in Russia and abroad", von der Leyen said during a joint press conference with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

Just in, EU just banned all speech that goes against EU narrative. Remember, this is supposed to be the side fighting for human rights (UN considers free speech a human right) and democracy.

 

[White_N]

Bill Gates called the Ukrainian government one of the worst and corrupt in the world, controlled by a few rich people, which is really unfortunate for the people of Ukraine.​

I'm going to be honest with you: Gates is the last person I would expect to say that, and I'm really not sure how to feel about it.

 

[kuuu]

Bill Gates called the Ukrainian government one of the worst and corrupt in the world, controlled by a few rich people, which is really unfortunate for the people of Ukraine.​

I'm going to be honest with you: Gates is the last person I would expect to say that, and I'm really not sure how to feel about it.

Quite literally this:

That means the media has done it's job well.

Ukraine is fucked either way.

 

[male pattern malding]

Bill Gates called the Ukrainian government one of the worst and corrupt in the world, controlled by a few rich people, which is really unfortunate for the people of Ukraine.​

I'm going to be honest with you: Gates is the last person I would expect to say that, and I'm really not sure how to feel about it.

He's probably just upset he's not among the rich people controlling it.

ETA: And wrt MH17, wasn't it known pretty much immediately that separatists shot it down using a Russian Buk that 'fell off the back of a truck'? Why is it in the news now?

 

[borsabil]

"Wings of freedom"... I have no witty response. I'm so done with these "people."

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Bongs do cringe better than anyone. Princess Di's funeral, mandatory clapping for the NHS during Covid, now Ukraine. If they can gloam on to an embarrassing meme or cause they will. According to the UK press Ukraine has won the battle of Bakhmut, they're planning on annexing Russian oblasts after they conquer Crimea and Putler is losing tens of thousands of men a day. Likely most retards in the UK, which is most people in the UK, believe every word.

Hilariously they're already walking back sending jets

Russia-Ukraine war: UK will not send fighter jets to Ukraine ‘if there is a risk to British safety’ – as it happened

Comments from Downing Street come as Zelenskiy follows up trip to UK with Brussels visit in the hope of receiving more military aid

www.theguardian.com

The UK defence secretary, Ben Wallace, has appeared to suggest that Ukrainian air force pilots would only complete their training in the UK “probably post-conflict”.

Wallace, speaking at a joint UK-Italy ministerial press conference in Rome, said: “Britain’s position on some capability [on fighter planes] is nothing to do with trying to cause problems or challenges.

“It is fundamentally that some of our equipment is solely sovereign. Challenger tanks — I don’t have to ask permission of another country to send them, I can just make a decision in collaboration with my foreign secretary and prime minister.

Turns out as they didn't make any of the jets they're promising they need permission from their suppliers to send them to Ukraine and, of course, no one bothered to ask before the Zelensky visit and the photo op.

Second the UK's armed forces are a global joke and giving even a few fast jets to the hohols means they'll be stripping their own defences. Johnson has come out and outright said they should do this, leave the country defenceless so they can earn ass pats from the Burgers. Amazing.

 

[YumeNoHero]

He's probably just upset he's not among the rich people controlling it.

ETA: And wrt MH17, wasn't it known pretty much immediately that separatists shot it down using a Russian Buk that 'fell off the back of a truck'? Why is it in the news now?

It's convenience for lighting another spark of Russian hate again, that's why.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

I have some questions for the pro-Russian/DNR/LPR people. Not to debate or argue the questions but just because I am curious as to individuals opinions in the greater sphere of pro-Russian members. If possible just answer whether you agree with the statement in general or not.

1: The population of a portion of a nation should have/does have the right to hold a vote on secession and formation of a new independent nation.

Yes and no, while self determination is the defining characteristic of a just government. That self determination has to be balanced with realities of operating a nation. No person gets to get out of obligations to a nation because they don't like some law or laws. Likewise, a region or group of people don't get to get out as well because of similar reasons. The crux on the matter really comes down to: Is secession enshrined in government law before or after a region joins a nation and prior to the vote? Of course, while the idea that might makes right is immoral, might does make and many an act as been justified after the fact because someone simply won.

2: If the majority of the vote on secession is in the affirmative the new independent nation should be allowed to be formed.

Yes, the vote isn't really about the formation of a new nation, but the separation of regional government from national. The nations of the Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) and the Luhansk People's Republic (LRP) are akin to two American states saying they have no desire to remain as part of the Union.

3: If the new nation faces resistance to it's formation from the national government, whether through overt force, subversion, or threat of force it has the right and duty to uphold the result of the vote and obtain/defend it's independence with force if necessary.

Yes, defense of citizens is a obligation of government and the government has the duty to meet that obligation.

4: If the government of a nation attempts to stop a vote on secession or the formation of a new independent nation after a vote in the affirmative then that government could accurately be described as an enemy of the seceding nation/people.

Yes, especially if the separation is along ethnic or cultural lines.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Just in, EU just banned all speech that goes against EU narrative. Remember, this is supposed to be the side fighting for human rights (UN considers free speech a human right) and democracy.

babes, we already cannot have fascist, nazis or commie parties
we get arrested for praising specific historical figures
we get fine and maybe jailed for questioning specific historical events
With all the speech limitations in place here, this one actually is the ONLY ONE that makes sense lmao.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

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https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/wolodymyr-selenskyj-im-interview-putin-ist-ein-drache-der-fressen-muss-a-458b7fe2-e15a-49a9-a38e-4bfba834f27b

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SPIEGEL: But you have tried to implement the Minsk agreement yourself?

Selenskyi: I jumped on this train, which, frankly, was already heading toward the abyss. By "train" I mean these agreements as a whole. Each point stands for a wagon, and when you start to take it apart, you get it: The whole thing is constructed so that one side can't fulfill something and the other freezes the conflict. I didn't recognize in the agreements any desire at all to let Ukraine have its independence! I understand their meaning in such a way that one wanted to satisfy the appetite of Russia at the expense of Ukraine first a little. Postponement is perfectly fine in diplomacy. After all, you never know if a decision-maker will die and everything will suddenly become easier. I saw only one sense in these agreements: There was, thanks to them, an official platform for talks to resolve anything at all. And then I focused on the issue of prisoner exchanges and said to the head of the Presidential Office: Andrij, let's expand this, it's about people. And if we create an exchange "all for all," we'll look further. But as far as Minsk as a whole is concerned, I told Emmanuel Macron and Angela Merkel: we can't implement it like that.

SPIEGEL: In 2019, you reached your first and only meeting with Putin: You met him in Paris, as part of a four-way summit in the so-called "Normandy format."

Selenskyi: I told him the same thing I told the other two. They were surprised and said: If we had known beforehand that you would change the meaning of our meeting, there would have been problems even before the summit. I replied: I am a young president, new in office. We are talking about technical issues here. I have been to the line of contact, and I have looked into this myself: What is in the agreement is not implementable.

 

[TheAntiCoomer]

So all those Americans died in Iraq just so you could pay... *checks notes* $3.445 per gallon at the pump? Great job there, oil bandits. Totally worth it!

Yeah, just like its totally worth taking 10 times the losses against Ukraine for Russia, all for the privilege to have you economy be sold to China.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

SBU claims to have caught a collaborator giving Russia positions of energy infrastructure objects in Kiev, he's an employee of a railway company.
Everything is in the article, use machine translation if you must: https://www.5.ua/kyiv/sbu-vykryla-p...koryhuvav-raketni-udary-po-kyievu-298803.html

He's facing 15 years, somehow not hanging. Truly a civilized European country.

Link to a working link:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/invasion-of-ukraine-news-megathread.113457/post-14761744

If this story is true, we should expect a serious decrease in damage to Ukr infrastructure.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Link to a working link:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/invasion-of-ukraine-news-megathread.113457/post-14761744

If this story is true, we should expect a serious decrease in damage to Ukr infrastructure.

There's always more where this one came from, and much damage has already been done.

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*Russia breaks Budapest Memorandum and annexes Crimea* - I sleep
*Ukraine refuses to go along with Minsk agreements following that* - REAL SHIT
You know, if you forget the timeline, this might look like a bad thing.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Yeah, just like its totally worth taking 10 times the losses against Ukraine for Russia, all for the privilege to have you economy be sold to China.

For Russia it's a defensive war against hordes of western barbarians who are at their very gates. Again. And it will end just like the other ones, with western barbarians getting the shit kicked out them, so they take another 100 years to recover.

Who made you Amerisharts invade Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan? And only to shamefully lose and run away like cowards, too. America is truly the nigger of nations.

For some news, Ukrainian troops are complaining that Russian anti-drone tech got a lot smaller and more effective, so their drones shit the bed before even reaching Russian lines.

Armed Forces of Ukraine lost drones in Artyomovsk due to "trench" electronic warfare: details

Since January 2023, UAV operators of several large units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artyomovsk have lost at least a hundred commercial drones used to adjust artillery and mortars. Drones do not have time to reach the positions of the RF Armed Forces - they are suppressed by previously unknown electronic warfare systems. According to the Military Chronicle, for the first time such a phenomenon was encountered by units of the 80th separate airborne assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kremennaya region in November last year, however, massive drone failures since the end of January have been recorded only in the Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) region.

The loss of strike and reconnaissance quadrocopters was faced by units of several large formations at once: the 53rd, 93rd and 63rd mechanized brigades. According to preliminary data, since the beginning of January 2023, drone operators in the units of these brigades have reported the loss of at least 77 UAVs over positions in the previously abandoned villages of Kleshcheevka, Kurdyumovka, Zelenopolye and Ozeryanovka, 30 km south of Artyomovsk (Bakhmut).

The mass neutralization of Ukrainian drones may be associated with the operation of portable electronic warfare stations that have appeared on the front relatively recently. According to radio interceptions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, we can talk about a small device placed either in the nearest forest or directly on the ground, in the same trench with the infantry.

The dimensions of the device, presumably, do not exceed a few tens of centimeters, which is uncharacteristic for massive Soviet-type REM / EW stations based on heavy trucks.

According to the captured UAV operators of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when enemy drones are detected in the sky, the system automatically starts the interception and the procedure for forced landing of the drone outside the positions of the Ukrainian infantry.

According to the Military Chronicle, due to the operation of such devices near the settlements in the south of Artyomovsk (Bakhmut), liberated from the Ukrainian army in the fall and early winter of 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost completely stopped conducting aerial reconnaissance, dropping grenades and spraying toxic substances over the positions of ground units of the RF Armed Forces.

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ВСУ лишились дронов в Артёмовске из-за «окопной» РЭБ: подробности С января 2023 года операторы БЛА нескольких крупных соединений ВСУ в Артёмовске потеряли не менее сотни коммерческих беспилотников, используемых для корректировки артиллерии и миномётов. Дроны не успевают долететь до позиций ВС...

t.me

 

[Useful_Mistake]

There's always more where this one came from,

You mean, more turncoats? Sure, but we probably can expect some difference still. They have to be more careful now and all.

*Russia breaks Budapest Memorandum and annexes Crimea* - I sleep
*Ukraine refuses to go along with Minsk agreements following that* - REAL SHIT
You know, if you forget the timeline, this might look like a bad thing.

US broke it first in 2013 against Belarus. And really, the annexation was the will of the people. Crimea and Rus signed a treaty absorbing the former into the later, so, I don't really see how that is in violation of an agreement to not "threaten[] or [use] military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan"

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Look if you bombard regions in your own nation to stop people from leaving you maybe that says something about your ability to govern that territory. Just saying.

 

[White_N]

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I mean, he said so even in his pre-election interview: "No special status for the Donbas, no amnesty for their soldiers."- 51:07 - special status of Donbass. And in the same interview, he said how much they love Bandera in Ukraine, and that's cool -10:30

*Russia breaks Budapest Memorandum and annexes Crimea* - I sleep

They never did; everything is according to the UN Charter. Seethe, and dialete.

 

[Fatniggo1488]

For Russia it's a defensive war against hordes of western barbarians who are at their very gates. Again. And it will end just like the other ones, with western barbarians getting the shit kicked out them, so they take another 100 years to recover.

Who made you Amerisharts invade Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan? And only to shamefully lose and run away like cowards, too. America is truly the nigger of nations.

For some news, Ukrainian troops are complaining that Russian anti-drone tech got a lot smaller and more effective, so their drones shit the bed before even reaching Russian lines.
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Военная хроника

ВСУ лишились дронов в Артёмовске из-за «окопной» РЭБ: подробности С января 2023 года операторы БЛА нескольких крупных соединений ВСУ в Артёмовске потеряли не менее сотни коммерческих беспилотников, используемых для корректировки артиллерии и миномётов. Дроны не успевают долететь до позиций ВС...

t.me

,and this kids is why I was sperging about using laser relay systems VS low frequency RF systems quite a few pages ago.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

It's gonna be a repeat of dragoons in WW1 charging into well armed, well fortified trenches (or running into tanks in an chance encounter). That's gonna be a massacre for an airforce. Can you imagine running CAP duty on top of that? There won't be any fire support from jets short of the occasional missile toss.

Have you seen this?

Report Launch―The First Battle of the Next War: Wargaming a Chinese Invasion of Taiwan | CSIS Events

Please join the CSIS International Security Program for the launch of a new report that features findings from 24 iterations of a CSIS-designed wargame modeling a Chinese amphibious invasion of Taiwan.

www.csis.org

I'll give a little summary

Spoiler

"majority of games blue team eventually did prevail" - in other words China won in at least a few of the simulations, and that eventually prevailed language means some were hardly wins.

"much worse than Ukraine" - lots of talk on how supplying Taiwan once the conflict starts will be nearly impossible.

"shalads are the future" - very interesting points from the naval guy on how the Iranians have come up with the right weapon set for dealing with a more powerful nation invading. He says that Taiwan needs to make equivalents of a lot of Iranian weapons.

Surface ships are forced to stay out of range of Chinese weapons, meaning they play more of a supporting role out in the pacific. Submarines are the only thing that can operate near Taiwan. Sub operations are made very difficult if the Chinese are able to set up minefields.

"90% of allied aircraft are destroyed on the ground" - I think this is referring to total losses. A big problem is a lack of hardened shelters. By comparison the Chinese have a lot of underground hangars near the Taiwanese coast. Total allied aircaft losses are 650 in the optimistic scenarios to >900 in the pessimistic ones.

"adversary can hurt us very badly" - this pops up multiple times throughout the discussion. Some references are made to losing a carrier strike group.

The woman in this talk spends 10 minutes giving a summary of what a war game is

all for the privilege to have you economy be sold to China.

American cope is mostly based on projection. See all the talk about Chinese demographics for another example of this.

 

[The Ugly One]

Chinese losses were high, much higher than ours, that's absolutely true but our forces were badly battered. It's no secret why MacArthur wanted to drop a nuke.

And in the end, all we managed to do was partition Korea and agree to disagree with China/North Korea. Not really worth the dead and permanently scarred that came home, imo

Right, but you were early trying to promote this as an example of USMC incompetence and stunning Chinse battle prowess. When you encircle 30,000 men with 120,000 men and take 7 times as many losses as they do, tens of thousands of those being men who just died in the cold due to not having winter gear, yes, it was tactical victory, but, you aren't going in anybody's textbooks as a model of great tactics & logistics. It wasn't exactly Cannae.

You are talking like some general dealing with statistics. You forget the experiences of the men who were there. The horrors they dealt with. I guess that isn’t important to you.

Stop acting like a Ben Shapiro strawman.

 

[870EVO]

Probably already mentioned, but I just wanted to draw attention to it since I found it surprising.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1623651636064227328