Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

It worries me that we can come up with several different (but compatible) peace treaties in one page when NATO couldn't do that in a year.

That's because we want peace, not war.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

It worries me that we can come up with several different (but compatible) peace treaties in one page when NATO couldn't do that in a year.

Lol because that's not want they want. They want endless blood, and will even talk up a big game of retaking Crimea/Sevastopol to keep the bloodlust going.

 

[Vesperus]

Lol because that's not want they want. They want endless blood, and will even talk up a big game of retaking Crimea/Sevastopol to keep the bloodlust going.

And how's that going, so far?

They want endless money. Russia is gaining farmland.

And you can't actually eat gold, unless you give it to someone with farmland.

Thinking beyond the next quarterly report is a dying art.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

heard the US just gave another 300 million to Ukraine.

when are you guys actually going to war with Russia?

 

[SIMIΔN]

It's much harder when you've actually got skin in the game and care about one side or the other "winning" (for whatever reason), but even then if you start to feel fatigued by the constant flow of suffering/rage/etc, then you just need to stop looking at it, the same way you need to learn to stop picking at a wound that's scabbing over.

You are right, I'm not Eastern European so my life isn't directly affected by it.

Bryansk is in Russia proper, 379 kilometers southwest of Moscow.

There was a conspiracy theory that Putin's FSB was secretly responsible for blowing up some apartments 24 years ago to justify the second Chetchen war.

Russian apartment bombings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I doubt he'd do something like that now, as the Russian people know how high the stakes are already.

Nuke Kyiv and Lviv please!

Nuke Kyiv and Lviv. Spare Kiev and Lvov.

When was the last time we heard a peep about HIMARS? If they get within air support range they're toast.

It's a good system if you are assured of air supremacy. But not a gamechanger alone.

What do you think, kiwis - has Putin cucked to the Poles and is keeping the incident hush-hush to avoid TRIGGERING ARTICLE FIVE™ or is there no Leopard 2 and the newsies are just stirring the pot?

Poland couldn't trigger Article 5 if they attacked first. So I assume it is either fake, or Putin doesn't want to escalate the war.

m still suspecting that the WEF is just the designated scapegoat to take the blame for the failures and hubris of the ruling classes. Normies know the name Klaus Schwab but don't know who Kissinger and Nuland are. Why? Schwab dresses funny, has a weird accent, and generally acts like a Bond villain, whereas Kissinger and Nuland are drab boring politicians who aren't interesting and are making me sleepy,

I suspect the same. But I'm still hesitant to vote for any Young Leader.

 

[Meh123]

Glen Greenwald brings up Oliver Stones banned film "Ukraine on Fire" that explores Nuland and the State Depts role in 2013-2014 in Ukraine.

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https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1631361591009501197

 

[make_it_so]

Forget nuking Kyiv, Moscow, or DC.

I think the only real way to ensure long-term peace at this point is to nuke Twitter.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Lol because that's not want they want. They want endless blood, and will even talk up a big game of retaking Crimea/Sevastopol to keep the bloodlust going.

That only increases the bloodlust of their opponents. We've already seen what happened when the Red Army destroyed the Wehrmacht/Waffen SS and despite being a parody of the the Reich, the AFU sure likes larping as the Dirlewanger Brigade, which only makes the Russian Armed Forces/Wagner determined to wipe them out. That whole "Ukrainians are our brothers" shtick has a short shelf life.

 

[kuuu]

Slavyangrad

Bakhmut is practically encircled — Prigozhin Wagner Chief Yevgeny Prigozhin addressed the President of Ukraine and spoke about the prospects in Bakhmut (Asking him to withdraw AFU units from Bakhmut) ㅤ "The Wagner PMC units have practically surrounded Bakhmut; there is only one road left."...

t.me

Bakhmut is practically encircled — Prigozhin
Wagner Chief Yevgeny Prigozhin addressed the President of Ukraine and spoke about the prospects in Bakhmut (Asking him to withdraw AFU units from Bakhmut)
"The Wagner PMC units have practically surrounded Bakhmut; there is only one road left." The pincers are shrinking.
"If earlier the professional Ukrainian army fought with us, today we see more and more old people and children, and their life near Bakhmut is short: a day or two."

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The only proper reaction to these news:

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I guess ukrop reinforcements weren't enought.

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[Feline Supremacist]

Slavyangrad

Bakhmut is practically encircled — Prigozhin Wagner Chief Yevgeny Prigozhin addressed the President of Ukraine and spoke about the prospects in Bakhmut (Asking him to withdraw AFU units from Bakhmut) ㅤ "The Wagner PMC units have practically surrounded Bakhmut; there is only one road left."...

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The only proper reaction to these news:
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I guess ukrop reinforcements weren't enought.

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I bet Nuland is screaming and throwing dishes around while her goblin looking spouse is cowering in the panic room.

Also I hope Z-man gets

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for this Volksstrum shit and fuck that cunt for sending boys and granpas into Bakhmut.

 

[870EVO]

Remember that $130+ billion you gave us??? Well....... uh..... we ran out.

 

[SIMIΔN]

That whole "Ukrainians are our brothers" shtick has a short shelf life.

The tragedy of this whole thing is that if Russia went massive America style 'Shock and Awe' on Ukraine in Feb 2022, many tens of thousands of Ukranian men would still be alive.
This long war is just giving Z-man time to waste more lives.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Why do they always have to end their relatively coherent thoughts with some absolute nuttery?

Kidnapping and murdering civilians in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. Hell yeah man deporting every native Crimean to the concentration camps beyond the Urals, to the taigas of Siberia, to make artillery shells. Or, I suppose, evacuating people from a warzone is now considered "kidnapping". All those stories kvetching about CHILDREN BEING KIDNAPPED when they're literally just kids that have been taken out of a combat zone to prevent them from starving to death, freezing to death or being hit with artillery fire. How dare they???

 

[Doctor Professor Timon]

Why do they always have to end their relatively coherent thoughts with some absolute nuttery?

I want them to make it public they're shipping PoWs to China's Euthanasia camps for the Muslims. It doesn't even have to be true (it's not).

Oh man, that'd be aces. Imagine the collective screeching.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

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Why do they always have to end their relatively coherent thoughts with some absolute nuttery?

Kidnapping and murdering civilians in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. Hell yeah man deporting every native Crimean to the concentration camps beyond the Urals, to the taigas of Siberia, to make artillery shells. Or, I suppose, evacuating people from a warzone is now considered "kidnapping". All those stories kvetching about CHILDREN BEING KIDNAPPED when they're literally just kids that have been taken out of a combat zone to prevent them from starving to death, freezing to death or being hit with artillery fire. How dare they???

Yes, well, but they are taking the hobbits to Isengard bringing the children to Mordor to be raped and processed into Nutella to stuff the toilets with. Better die a proud Ukrainian martyr as the Russian shells explode all over you than to be raised a filthy moskal.

It starts making sense if you follow this logic.

And yes, I get that it would be much better if Russia never fired these shells to begin with, but the cards have been dealt and we all have to live with it regardless of what we think about the situation.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The tragedy of this whole thing is that if Russia went massive America style 'Shock and Awe' on Ukraine in Feb 2022, many tens of thousands of Ukranian men would still be alive.
This long war is just giving Z-man time to waste more lives.

All by design; Z-man's not in charge.

The other thread makes a point of repeating best to not risk American lives over there.

 

[Butterschmalz]

Bahmut surrounded? Wagner says yes...

Bakhmut ‘surrounded’, says Wagner chief​

 

[870EVO]

The tragedy of this whole thing is that if Russia went massive America style 'Shock and Awe' on Ukraine in Feb 2022, many tens of thousands of Ukranian men would still be alive.
This long war is just giving Z-man time to waste more lives.

On the other hand it means the Russian Military is killing every possible NAZI/OUN guy that would knife them in their sleep if they secured an area and laid down for a nap.

 

[just a banana]

Roepcke reported it was the Ukrainians who blew up this bridge, but, but, wouldn't that be too low even for them when they're not all out?

Prigozhyn commenting on how they're coming across more kids and old geezers in Bahmut, with
live evidence

 

[Secret Asshole]

The tragedy of this whole thing is that if Russia went massive America style 'Shock and Awe' on Ukraine in Feb 2022, many tens of thousands of Ukranian men would still be alive.
This long war is just giving Z-man time to waste more lives.

The thing is, Russia didn't want to do that. In the beginning, it expected Crimea version 2, where it just blitzed in, a little bit of resistance and then a seat at the table. The ROE was very strict in the beginning, as Putin didn't want what was happening right now to happen. It was actually a 'special military operation' (we're talking like a week into the war a year ago, don't take me out of context), and then Zelinsky came to the table. Except the US flew Boris Johnson out there and then all of a sudden it was "TO THE LAST HOLOHO".

Russia wasn't expecting this reaction, so it caught them by surprise. Which is why it got its ass handed to it during the early days of the war. It spread its lines incredibly thin, didn't practice combined arms and did not secure air superiority. Which is why this was the best point for negotiation. Ukraine had momentum, sanctions looked incredibly stark and scary, and Ukraine had the backing of the West, which was an X factor at the time.

But boomers salivated over a war with Russia in proxy, so they made this impossible. Russia took embarrassing losses at the beginning because it was clearly not expecting this sort of reaction. But now, we're a year in and the shoe is on the other foot. Bakhmut is functionally encircled, and this isn't battle of the bulge we're talking here. The Ukies, against all sense, are desperately trying to rescue their army from encirclement, but its pretty much too late. They don't have the air power and armor power to do it. There's only one real supply route to Bakhmut left, so there's not many options to break encirclement except charge straight ahead and get flanked on the left and the right.

This is why the West was begging Ukraine to ditch Bakhmut, which was the sensible option, because if Ukraine got to this point, it is a major morale and operational loss for them. The West has been trying to get them to do this for a fucking month btw, and Ukraine just committed more and more to it.

And for those that don't know, encirclement is basically complete devastation to any units inside of it, and breaking encirclement is incredibly difficult and costly. Units that end up encircled end up completely captured and destroyed, and if rumors are true, that is 9 to 14k men of the Ukranian army.

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Why do they always have to end their relatively coherent thoughts with some absolute nuttery?

Kidnapping and murdering civilians in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. Hell yeah man deporting every native Crimean to the concentration camps beyond the Urals, to the taigas of Siberia, to make artillery shells. Or, I suppose, evacuating people from a warzone is now considered "kidnapping". All those stories kvetching about CHILDREN BEING KIDNAPPED when they're literally just kids that have been taken out of a combat zone to prevent them from starving to death, freezing to death or being hit with artillery fire. How dare they???

To be honest, I've gotten this line in the other thread that Russia is genociding Ukranians (when its been revealed its the reverse, as in native Russians in the Donbass).

Also attacking civvies deeper in Russia is clearly a play to try to get Russia to get more forceful to get NATO boots on the ground. If Zelinsky thinks NATO is going on the ground in Ukraine, he's going to be going out a window very soon. The CIA is already drawing up negotiations with Russia if Taiwain or another more imminent foreign policy complication is on the horizon.

Ukraine is also on a time limit. If they can't make gains by fall, then the faucet is going to get turned off. So they're very desperate to ramp the conflict up as soon as possible, even if they don't have the resources to do so.