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Isn't BPD extremely rare in males?
I thought it was pretty much something that affected women mostly.
My ex was BPD, they can be great when they're in a good mood but it's just too much to deal with the histrionics and freakouts. It must be fucking horrible to be a sufferer but they're not easy to live with or be around.
 
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Baraadmirer said:
My trans friend was diagnosed with BPD. I could've sworn there was a study somewhere that observed comorbidity between Cluster B disorders and gender dysphoria.
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It's the core symptom of unstable identity. Transgenderism is catnip to a cluster B, it's an excuse to skinwalk, make themselves the center of attention, play victim, and dismiss all criticism as "transphobia". I can't think of anything more suited for a disordered personality.
 
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Aunt Carol said:
The weird part is that you're allowed to quietly humor, or gently laugh at, anything cringe a kid starts claiming--unless they say they're transgender, which nobody has ever been wrong about or lied about ever, and can have very real legal consequences if you don't "affirm" them while you're in the wrong jurisdiction.

12-year-old starts loudly proclaiming they're a communist or really, really, really into K-pop; you take some photos for later and just accept this is an annoying phase. "I'm really a boy" and ice shoots up your spine; this is an equally-silly tween phase, but if they say the magic words to a teacher, you (and they) are fucked.

I feel like the right response is "huh, how do you feel like a boy?" or even "well I guess you'd better help me change the oil then," and then a lot of discussion and capital-P Parenting. With peer pressure and social media on one hand, State backing on the other hand, a dumbass kid suddenly has power over their parent to continue making really bad decisions, but only on this one area.

It's really really bizarre.
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It makes a lot of sense when you see it as state-sponsored castrations, either chemical (hormone pills) or physical surgeries.
 
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NoReturn said:
Here's a question. How can we help people who struggle with that last part?
In b4 "Tell them to suck it up" because I think this may be a factor in why so many autists in particular have trouble with this concept. The self-loathing may not be truly performative if they've internalized those ideas.
They already struggle to relate to others, and then they start hating themselves (either naturally or because they "don't want to be narcissistic") and then in swoops the trans movement telling them they don't have to deal with such pesky emotions and "Oh yes, being narcissistic is the worst thing you can be, after all! Take these pills, cut off your dick, these will make you a cool, queer, oppressed trans individual. You will be cleansed of your sins!"
Anything to not be a "Bad Person".
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I’ve thought about this some time now and I think you can’t, unless they want you to help them. It all has to come from themselves, they themselves will need to want to change. Meaningful change, and they need to ask the right questions, like „how can I love others?“
For most, the solution would probably to fake it, like an actor playing a role, only now a supporting role instead of being the main character of every situation. Main character syndrome doesn’t mean you’re always loud and the center of attention, it means you’re analysing every situation like it was a work of fiction where every scene is meaningful for the main character in some way, direct or indirect.

All I can do with friends that are in danger of getting into that cult is share personal stories and how I overcame similar issues, and offer help.

If you have kids, it’s different. You don’t need to be a great parent, a „good enough parent“ (actual term used in psychology) will suffice. Be emotionally stable, set boundaries, trust your instincts. No unsupervised internet access, no digital Weimar groom-o-tron smartphone.
Balance „fake“ things (games movies books) with enough opportunity to execute the „power process“ (overcoming obstacles by own effort) in real life.
 
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Load Bearing Drywall said:
It's the core symptom of unstable identity. Transgenderism is catnip to a cluster B, it's an excuse to skinwalk, make themselves the center of attention, play victim, and dismiss all criticism as "transphobia". I can't think of anything more suited for a disordered personality.
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The BPD-Trans link has been examined more lately.
Isaac Uncooked discussed this once from a BPD POV:
Basically, you're a kid in a candy shop of identities you can try on.
(edited to add something interesting that he says at ~18:08: Autogynephiles have the binge/purge cycle with gender, and borderlines do it with everything, including identities)

Gender: A Wider Lens (Psych specialists, really good podcast) discuss it from a more academic point of view.

I think it's a big part of a lot of transitioners, it's just been overlooked a lot, or gets buried under other comorbidities (trauma, sexual dysfunction, 'tism, etc)
 
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Procrastinhater said:
Isn't BPD extremely rare in males?
I thought it was pretty much something that affected women mostly.
My ex was BPD, they can be great when they're in a good mood but it's just too much to deal with the histrionics and freakouts. It must be fucking horrible to be a sufferer but they're not easy to live with or be around.
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With the way gender dynamics work, most narcissists are males and most borderlines are female. Both have the same underlying issue of the identity being defined by how others see them, them viewing every interaction as something revolving around them, and both having a fundamental inability to meaningfully love.
The difference is, the narcissist will force you to view him as what he wants to be, while the borderliner will want to be what you view her as. Put a borderliner in isolation, she’ll become a narcissist though.
 
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Procrastinhater said:
Isn't BPD extremely rare in males?
I thought it was pretty much something that affected women mostly.
My ex was BPD, they can be great when they're in a good mood but it's just too much to deal with the histrionics and freakouts. It must be fucking horrible to be a sufferer but they're not easy to live with or be around.
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Jury's still out on that one. Some people think women are more prone to it for whatever reason, others think men just become better at masking because society doesn't tolerate that shit from males, others think symptoms are just more pronounced in women or manifest differently in men. Similar to autism in women as opposed to men, I guess.
 
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RazorBackBacon said:
Jury's still out on that one. Some people think women are more prone to it for whatever reason, others think men just become better at masking because society doesn't tolerate that shit from males, others think symptoms are just more pronounced in women or manifest differently in men. Similar to autism in women as opposed to men, I guess.
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I read a paper (or something in a paper a while) back that says exactly that - because women internalize more, their threats are usually self directed (ie suicide threats, cutting, etc) but male borderlines are far more likely to externalize their issues - so more violence directed towards others. So a male with borderline is more likely to be a wife beater or be arrested for beating the shit out of someone.

(Obviously borderline women can be violent, not saying they can't be)

ETA: Forgot to mention that in men Borderline is frequently co-occuring with antisocial personality disorder.
 
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Load Bearing Drywall said:
I read a paper (or something in a paper a while) back that says exactly that - because women internalize more, their threats are usually self directed (ie suicide threats, cutting, etc) but male borderlines are far more likely to externalize their issues - so more violence directed towards others. So a male with borderline is more likely to be a wife beater or be arrested for beating the shit out of someone.

(Obviously borderline women can be violent, not saying they can't be)
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It might also have something to do with just what we expect from the genders. Women tend to get more of a pass for non-violent but still volatile and over-emotional behavior. I remember some e-thot a few years backed like to make videos of herself hopping on the hoods of cars while they were stopped at a light. If it were a guy, hands would have been thrown, but because she was a chick she got a pass. That sort of shit.

If a man starts in with the "I hate you! You can't do anything right!" shit with his girlfriend, she's more likely to see it as a red flag and leave, ruining the "game" (him manipulating her). If a woman does the same with her boyfriend, he's more likely to roll his eyes and make a "Women, ammirite?" joke with his buddies. So the male BPD has to get better at masking because he doesn't want the game to end, while the female rides the wave of social expectations.

Again, I'm no doctor, this is just my take based on what I've read.
 
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Toolbox said:
The retards apparently a troon troll from months ago who's now back and spamming every trans related thread with their definitely not mad at the internet diatribes. I wondered when they were going to show up here and lo and behold.
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we do a little trolling (everything ive said is my real opinion)
Although i am glad that i am and i quote (a troll troon from months ago) even though ive been coming here for 5 years well before i trooned out.
 
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160048 said:
hey you fags, you didnt "lose" anyone when they came out, they are the same brain. i hate this fucking obsession people have had about troons over the past 4 years. its 1 percent of the population go care about a bigger issue i beg of you
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160048 said:
we do a little trolling (everything ive said is my real opinion)
Although i am glad that i am and i quote (a troll troon from months ago) even though ive been coming here for 5 years well before i trooned out.
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160048 said:
ive been posting since 2018 dude im not a passerby im an older user by todays standards
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160048 said:
IM AUTISTIC FOR LIFE, NO AMOUNT OF ESTROGEN AND SPIRO WILL DESTROY THE AUTISM IN MY VEINS
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Were you born this cringe or was there an online course you paid for?
 
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