Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Russia wasn't expecting this reaction, so it caught them by surprise. Which is why it got its ass handed to it during the early days of the war. It spread its lines incredibly thin, didn't practice combined arms and did not secure air superiority. Which is why this was the best point for negotiation. Ukraine had momentum, sanctions looked incredibly stark and scary, and Ukraine had the backing of the West, which was an X factor at the time.
Agreed, Boris Johnson destroyed Ukraine's future and inadvertently made Russia the most powerful military in Europe.
Imagine if Truman had caved to MacArthur's demand for nukes so he could enact the final solution to the chink problem
MacArthur only wanted to nuke a limited number of mountain paths PLA supply lines passed through.
It was a militarily rational move, but keeping atomic weapons taboo was more important
 
"You still have your head stuck in the fucking 90s" And China still doesn't have a modern navy. Once again, size doesn't matter. They can put a shit ton of ships in the water, and call them "modern" and "stealth" and "carrier killers" and whatever else sounds scary to normies who buy into wumao bullshit.
But when their Navy hasn't ever seen combat, and the last time their Army saw combat, they lost terribly to both the Soviets and the Vietnamese, forgive me if I have no confidence in the supposed "might" of the Chinamen, since they've lost every war they've ever fought that WASN'T a civil war/contest to butcher your own people the fastest.
The last time the United States Navy saw combat was the Battle of the Philippine Sea and Leyte Gulf.

The US Navy is ate up as fuck right now.
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The last time the United States Navy saw combat was the Battle of the Philippine Sea and Leyte Gulf.
AKA
"According to this very special, specific definition, the US Navy hasn't seen combat since WW2! CHINA NUMBA WAN!"

I guess all the times they've sailed up somewhere and started firing shots at targets, like towards Iraq, Iran, or interdiction off Somalia, that shit doesn't count even when they're trading shots, which itself counts as "combat", right?

Now if you mean "Against a peer or near-peer enemy", you're not wrong. But the PLAN hasn't done any sort of live-fire engagements of any sort. I think the North Korean Navy has actually done more, if we count the Dai Hong Dan incident where the Nork sailors retook their ship with aid from the USN.

And yes, Seawater rusts like nothing else in the world, what's your point? The vital shit's maintained well.
 
MacArthur only wanted to nuke a limited number of mountain paths PLA supply lines passed through.
Well he couldnt do what was needed because you guys elected some commie who wanted the chinks to win.


Elle magazine apologizes for featuring Neo Nazi Ukrainian girl
thats my kind of gurl
all slav girls crave superior germanic dick---
 
I think the dude is an alcoholic. What do you wanna do? There is wisdom at the bottom of the bottle...but you have to keep on emptying them...

Didn't someone say that the only thing the guys in the Ukraine thread are talking about is how stupid the guys in the Russia thread are? I was already banned from there, just for saying it would be incredibly hard for NATO to win and it would cost them a lot.
 
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Since Afghanistan came up, I'll drop a little something here. A absolutely MASSIVE chunk of "Taliban" casualties from both wars come from randos that didn't like the USSR, or US occupations and decided to find their way to Allah by shooting at a low flying AH 64 with whatever shitty weapon they had on hand at the time. The actual Taliban would very often score unreciprocated kills with IEDs, and ambushes set up with IEDs.

This led the US to start developing a whole fuck ton of countermeasures which didn't actually work in real combat. I'll list them as I can remember them

  • Wolfhound
Didn't actually use this fucker in Afghanistan, and can't find shit about it online, but it was completely worthless. It was basically a really shitty mine sweeper that worked on ground penetrating radar. The thing just outright didn't work. Just in training, it took hours to sweep a patch of ground not even 25 by 25 meters, and it constantly got false positives. You also had to have it so close to the ground that you risked setting off the little toe popper mines the Taliban would set up.

  • Goldie
Like the wolfhound, I can't find much online about this thing. It basically was just this stupid looking plastic thing which would detect command wires. Surprisingly, this thing actually worked fairly well and didn't weigh a ton. On the flip side, it was completely worthless. Why? Because, if you were in something like a squad wedge and on patrol, by the time you detected a command wire, someone was already standing on a command wire IED.

  • Boomerang
Don't know why bongs were talking about this crap, but here's a retarded video which basically shows off this worthless piece of shit.

Why is this thing worthless? Probably because the Taliban basically never initiated an attack with sniper fire, and by the time they did actually start attacking with small arms, you didn't have time nor a reason to look at a little screen to figure out where rounds were incoming from. Which even if you did... your guys are shooting too, and surprise surprise, the thing being mounted on a vehicle with at least a 240 firing on it might not be a good platform for something that uses sounds and vibrations to figure out where rounds are coming from.

  • Various CREW systems
I can't recall the names of all of these worthless things and don't care to try to search them, but here's my best recollection of them. The vehicle mounted CREWs were basically just a billion dollar solution, which had a ready to go 5 dollar solution to counter it. Tali basically just stopped using remote operated IEDs, and went over to either completely victim operated systems, command wire systems, or a slightly more complex version of remote operated systems which the US called "spider" I think, but was basically just a command wire connected to a receiver just out of range of this stupid thing.

The "man portable" versions of this were absolutely horrible, and by that I mean genuine torture for anyone who had to carry them. The things were heavy, they burned through ASIP batteries so fast that I think they were legit what prompted the US to develop rechargeable ASIP batteries. They had a tendency to rapidly overheat, and there were even some cases of them catching on fire. Infantry platoons really didn't have a good place for them. If you shoved them in a ruck, you'd just have a burning soldier after all the other shit he had in there acted like an insulator for the already overheated piece of shit vital equipment. If you didn't shove them in a ruck and used the totally not shitty pack that came with them, the soldier basically had to shove everything in this tiny little compartment on the pack and hope it didn't cause something important or dangerous to catch on fire.

To continue on the "man portable" versions, there were two of them. One being long wave and the other being short wave. Neither actually worked. A random Afghan could carry on a cell phone conversation right next to the jammer, which of course meant he could also set of a remote operated IED. The things also had a problem with dust which would sometimes clog their exhaust fans and cause them to start cooking off either faster. Obviously not ideal in a country like Afghanistan.

Hide/Seek (not even memeing) systems

These were basically totally not 1984ish systems were you'd take some rando Afghan and then scan his information into a database so you could spy on protect him later. There were basically two ways to use these things. You could either pry a dead nigger's eyes open so the scanner could read it, only to tell you whether or not he'd consented to a not invasive™ scan weeks prior, or you could harass random Afghan young males that you'd caught smoking weed in an abandoned building while on patrol.
 
America is willing to fight Russia to the last European.
Damn right, willing to sacrifice every last Eurocuck so they can make a few more bucks before the golden goose is taken by Russia
Here we see superstitious Czech peasants engaging in a magic ritual designed to rob Russia of it's power and transfer it to Ukraine. Note the seriousness in all their faces, this is no farce, it's SERIOUS BUSINESS.
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Bros, why are they like that? Look at those stunning and brave intellectuals, lmao. Bunch of childless old women who reek of cat piss, a few pederasts who were hoping there would be more children in attendance, and followed by a couple of impotent seniors who last had an erection when the Soviet Union was still a thing. Wonder if Glowie is one of them.

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Also to make it extra hilarious, this is right outside of Radio Free Europe HQ, Europe's most loathsome propagandist outlet.
The sacrifice is "upright" for victory "downwards" for rain........ It been raining for a week solid in my town......they fucked up.
Edit: Hey, look, Ukraine added an American citizen to their kill list. Where's the outrage from Joe Biden?
Maybe if it was a nigger troon identifying as a three legged basketball playing unicorn they would have shown their true outrage immediately.
At some points I feel like I should just draw a dick shape on the map and submit it to CNN see if I can get it on air....
The thing is, Russia didn't want to do that. In the beginning, it expected Crimea version 2, where it just blitzed in, a little bit of resistance and then a seat at the table. The ROE was very strict in the beginning, as Putin didn't want what was happening right now to happen. It was actually a 'special military operation' (we're talking like a week into the war a year ago, don't take me out of context), and then Zelinsky came to the table. Except the US flew Boris Johnson out there and then all of a sudden it was "TO THE LAST HOLOHO".

Russia wasn't expecting this reaction, so it caught them by surprise. Which is why it got its ass handed to it during the early days of the war. It spread its lines incredibly thin, didn't practice combined arms and did not secure air superiority. Which is why this was the best point for negotiation. Ukraine had momentum, sanctions looked incredibly stark and scary, and Ukraine had the backing of the West, which was an X factor at the time.

But boomers salivated over a war with Russia in proxy, so they made this impossible. Russia took embarrassing losses at the beginning because it was clearly not expecting this sort of reaction. But now, we're a year in and the shoe is on the other foot. Bakhmut is functionally encircled, and this isn't battle of the bulge we're talking here. The Ukies, against all sense, are desperately trying to rescue their army from encirclement, but its pretty much too late. They don't have the air power and armor power to do it. There's only one real supply route to Bakhmut left, so there's not many options to break encirclement except charge straight ahead and get flanked on the left and the right.

This is why the West was begging Ukraine to ditch Bakhmut, which was the sensible option, because if Ukraine got to this point, it is a major morale and operational loss for them. The West has been trying to get them to do this for a fucking month btw, and Ukraine just committed more and more to it.

And for those that don't know, encirclement is basically complete devastation to any units inside of it, and breaking encirclement is incredibly difficult and costly. Units that end up encircled end up completely captured and destroyed, and if rumors are true, that is 9 to 14k men of the Ukranian army.

To be honest, I've gotten this line in the other thread that Russia is genociding Ukranians (when its been revealed its the reverse, as in native Russians in the Donbass).

Also attacking civvies deeper in Russia is clearly a play to try to get Russia to get more forceful to get NATO boots on the ground. If Zelinsky thinks NATO is going on the ground in Ukraine, he's going to be going out a window very soon. The CIA is already drawing up negotiations with Russia if Taiwain or another more imminent foreign policy complication is on the horizon.

Ukraine is also on a time limit. If they can't make gains by fall, then the faucet is going to get turned off. So they're very desperate to ramp the conflict up as soon as possible, even if they don't have the resources to do so.
Um.....you don't truely understand. Russia is running out of rockets, they've taken 3 million casualties while simultaneously winning the war, kidnapping/murdering civilians and had 31 secret mobilizations...
You're pretty much spot on about UKR they'll have to counter attack some where because without it the gibs are going to dry up.
I gave both threads 2 weeks of reading and over time I slowly dropped out of the Ukraine one in favor of this thread. There's only so much autism one can handle before going "what the fuck are these posters on?" That aside, most of what news they posted there, I can just turn on TBS of NHK and listen to same shit so they're functionally useless as a way to gather information as well.

>There are many more Russians here than we have ammunition to destroy them.
Then shoot better lmao. The bullets aren't going to magically nailing every single Russian troop on their own, are they ?
Now you can see where most of the inane shit came from, clogging up the thread and forcing them to split the thread.
Looks like about 20-30 percent of it along with his helmet. At least the guy was dead before he hit the ground.
All his worldly troubles are over, and probably significantly faster than most of the poor bastards over there.
 
Since Afghanistan came up, I'll drop a little something here. A absolutely MASSIVE chunk of "Taliban" casualties from both wars come from randos that didn't like the USSR, or US occupations and decided to find their way to Allah by shooting at a low flying AH 64 with whatever shitty weapon they had on hand at the time. The actual Taliban would very often score unreciprocated kills with IEDs, and ambushes set up with IEDs.

This led the US to start developing a whole fuck ton of countermeasures which didn't actually work in real combat. I'll list them as I can remember them

  • Wolfhound
Didn't actually use this fucker in Afghanistan, and can't find shit about it online, but it was completely worthless. It was basically a really shitty mine sweeper that worked on ground penetrating radar. The thing just outright didn't work. Just in training, it took hours to sweep a patch of ground not even 25 by 25 meters, and it constantly got false positives. You also had to have it so close to the ground that you risked setting off the little toe popper mines the Taliban would set up.

  • Goldie
Like the wolfhound, I can't find much online about this thing. It basically was just this stupid looking plastic thing which would detect command wires. Surprisingly, this thing actually worked fairly well and didn't weigh a ton. On the flip side, it was completely worthless. Why? Because, if you were in something like a squad wedge and on patrol, by the time you detected a command wire, someone was already standing on a command wire IED.

  • Boomerang
Don't know why bongs were talking about this crap, but here's a retarded video which basically shows off this worthless piece of shit.

Why is this thing worthless? Probably because the Taliban basically never initiated an attack with sniper fire, and by the time they did actually start attacking with small arms, you didn't have time nor a reason to look at a little screen to figure out where rounds were incoming from. Which even if you did... your guys are shooting too, and surprise surprise, the thing being mounted on a vehicle with at least a 240 firing on it might not be a good platform for something that uses sounds and vibrations to figure out where rounds are coming from.

  • Various CREW systems
I can't recall the names of all of these worthless things and don't care to try to search them, but here's my best recollection of them. The vehicle mounted CREWs were basically just a billion dollar solution, which had a ready to go 5 dollar solution to counter it. Tali basically just stopped using remote operated IEDs, and went over to either completely victim operated systems, command wire systems, or a slightly more complex version of remote operated systems which the US called "spider" I think, but was basically just a command wire connected to a receiver just out of range of this stupid thing.

The "man portable" versions of this were absolutely horrible, and by that I mean genuine torture for anyone who had to carry them. The things were heavy, they burned through ASIP batteries so fast that I think they were legit what prompted the US to develop rechargeable ASIP batteries. They had a tendency to rapidly overheat, and there were even some cases of them catching on fire. Infantry platoons really didn't have a good place for them. If you shoved them in a ruck, you'd just have a burning soldier after all the other shit he had in there acted like an insulator for the already overheated piece of shit vital equipment. If you didn't shove them in a ruck and used the totally not shitty pack that came with them, the soldier basically had to shove everything in this tiny little compartment on the pack and hope it didn't cause something important or dangerous to catch on fire.

To continue on the "man portable" versions, there were two of them. One being long wave and the other being short wave. Neither actually worked. A random Afghan could carry on a cell phone conversation right next to the jammer, which of course meant he could also set of a remote operated IED. The things also had a problem with dust which would sometimes clog their exhaust fans and cause them to start cooking off either faster. Obviously not ideal in a country like Afghanistan.

Hide/Seek (not even memeing) systems

These were basically totally not 1984ish systems were you'd take some rando Afghan and then scan his information into a database so you could spy on protect him later. There were basically two ways to use these things. You could either pry a dead nigger's eyes open so the scanner could read it, only to tell you whether or not he'd consented to a not invasive™ scan weeks prior, or you could harass random Afghan young males that you'd caught smoking weed in an abandoned building while on patrol.
I think the difference is the Soviets had a much better reply to that:

Oh, you ambushed a few riflemen or a BMP with a homemade bomb? Get fucked, we're going to pick out a random village and rocket that shit to the ground. And at first, it worked. It pushed the insurgents farther and farther and farther into the mountains, where getting support to the insurgents got harder.
Problem is, it also worked against the Soviets too in the long run, since continued offenses against the Taliban meant going farther into their territory, where it's harder to keep motorized/armored troops supplied and running air support missions got riskier.

That was the "stick" approach to their occupation. The "carrot" was building up Afghanistan's "urban" regions like a good Socialist nation. America didn't get the luxury of both wholesale slaughter of insurgents and those who'd support them, and reshaping Afghanistan in our image by force.
 
The ships they are putting into the water now are NOT copies of Russian ships.

The Type 55 is an 11,000 tonne multipurpose stealth destroyer with cruise missiles, modern radars and very good electronics. Its not up to the bleeding edge of the Americans, Japs and Koreans, but its damned close and with half the worlds shipbuilding capacity and a very large electronics industry they can put lots of them into the water quickly.

The Chinese navy is adding the equivalent tonnage of the entire french navy every 4 years, and all of them are modern native designs.

You still have your head stuck in the fucking 90's.
Technically, they are not a 1:1 copy of Russian ship, but they sure as shit are "inspired" by it, so much so that you can still see some of the Soviet design marks on their ship.
Remember that the chinamen have to get their idea somewhere, they don't come up with any because they have yet to have any serious war experience with other nations to have actual use cases to design their shit for that, it's just whatever the spies they have in the US or Russia can get their hands on.
Did coach red pill die? I depend on my war coverage from him and he is media scilent, I hope the ukrop bro's didn't capture him again.

Looking for Gonzo lira to infinity chan yt
>Coach Red Pill
lol
I do hope he's alive though, his schizophrenic-tier pro-Russia stance is hilarious and can be milked for laugh.
 
This seems a tad hyperbolic. I have no doubt some recruits have only lasted 4 hours at the front. This is just a tragic fact of life in a war. I doubt EVERY recruit lasts only 4 hours though. If Ukraine was taking those sorts of losses they would have fallen apart way more quickly and completely then they have.

By all accounts, the Ukrainian Army is withdrawing in good order, even taking the time to destroy bridges and wat not behind them. This isn't exactly the sort of maneuver conducted by Units that been "completely destroyed". If they had, Russia would be half way to Kramatorsk by now.
The Ukrainian brigades who are being sacrificed in Bakhmut aren't recruits, as that would imply they voluntarily enlisted; in fact, most were snatched off the streets and yanked from their homes, violently in many cases, and send to die in Bakhmut with one or two days of training. It's not a tragic fact of war, it's the cold hard calculated savagery of DC neocons and their willing puppet Zelensky. These grandfathers and boys are unwilling and/or unqualified conscripts; Volksstrum. And just like the Reich's last desperate stand, it's pathetic, a waste of life and pointless since the outcome-the loss of Bakhmut as a fortified supply base in the Donbass-has never been in question if you understood this conflict.

This was done so the surviving Western trained and equipped units could safely retreat, "in good order" as you put it, or with their tails between their legs as I do, to save them for the spring offensive to retake the Donbass and Crimea, as demanded by DC (and if you had been paying attention instead of huffing copium you'd remember the US media has claimed unless there's significant improvement by this fall the US spigot is being turned off so that DC can spin Taiwan into the new global crisis and Xi as the new Hitler).

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To the last holhol, amirite?

Aasgeier.
 
The Ukrainian brigades who are being sacrificed in Bakhmut aren't recruits, as that would imply they voluntarily enlisted; in fact, most were snatched off the streets and yanked from their homes, violently in many cases, and send to die in Bakhmut with one or two days of training. It's not a tragic fact of war, it's the cold hard calculated savagery of DC neocons and their willing puppet Zelensky. These grandfathers and boys are unwilling and/or unqualified conscripts; Volksstrum. And just like the Reich's last desperate stand, it's pathetic, a waste of life and pointless since the outcome-the loss of Bakhmut as a fortified supply base in the Donbass-has never been in question if you understood this conflict.
Drafting infirm old people and high school kids as well as Ukraine losing this major and decisive battle even after NATO has poured in all this money and materiel should tell anyone with sense that Russia is going to win. And now I've recently heard some chatter that Finland is going to start building a wall on their border with Russia in case they get attacked next. I would like to be a fly on the wall in the government offices of major Euro countries to see how they're reacting to all of this. I can't imagine it's pretty.
 
Anti-NATO protests took place in Slovakia, Bratislava in front of the Presidential Palace and the US Embassy







Estonian Foreign Minister proposes to start a third World War for the sake of Ukraine
https://www.newsweek.com/only-nato-nukes-can-save-ukraine-russia-urmas-reinsalu-1785023
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Leaflets from the so-called Ukrainian church about how it is necessary to wipe the Russian nation off the face of the earth.
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Preventive copium
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