I only grew up with the TMNT based on both the 2003 cartoon and the 07 movie. Inbetween, I was actually introduced to the original animated series and the trilogy of 90s live-action movies by AVGN's TMNT III movie (and a couple months later, his actual NES review).
Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)
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Always love it when only in handpicked situations like this does the original incarnation of a character matter. April started out black, so she should jut always be like that. But don't you dare say Ariel should be white, that's racist.
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I have a feeling that the 2007 animated film of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles will still be superior against the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem film if the latter gets released.
TMNT also brought an interesting premise of the state of the Ninja Turtles and the Foot Clan after the defeat of Shredder where most adaptations are before or during Shredder's reign. There are also some cool twists.
The cast includes
TMNT (2007)
It also brought one of the most anticipated conflicts and fights: Leonardo's leadership and motivation to fight as a team vs Raphael's rage and individualism to fight by himself.TMNT also brought an interesting premise of the state of the Ninja Turtles and the Foot Clan after the defeat of Shredder where most adaptations are before or during Shredder's reign. There are also some cool twists.
The cast includes
- Nolan North as Raphael
- James Arnold Taylor as Leonardo
- Chris Evans as Casey Jones
- Mako as Splinter
- Patrick Stewart, Laurence Fishburne, John DiMaggio, Fred Tatasciore, and Ziyi Zhang
- Although the direction and writing is Western (thus is Western animation), the animation is not. Imagi Animation Studios was a Chinese studio founded in Hong Kong in 2000 and was known for making Zentrix, a donghua TV series.
- Although their film TMNT was a moderate success, their following film, Astro Boy (2009) was not. Imagi lost tons of money and they were then sold to a Hollywood businessman, rendering them defunct in 2010.
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April being originally black is actually not true, as she was inspired by Kevin's Eastman's wife, who wasn't black, and although some people do think that because of the somewhat poor coloring job in the covers of the original comics (as the comics itself were black and white) you can see this is more of a style choice.
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Back to the bottle for me!
I know this isnt the simpson thread but how many other non golden age examples of cartoon drinking are there?
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She looks like she came from Tumblr.
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This movie's actually not half bad.
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The 1990s live-action movies aren't actually quite the same beast as the 1987 cartoon. Its weird, they clearly take some inspiration (the turtles being more wisecracking and loving pizza) but the movie universe and storyline is more like something that would happen in the comics (the first movie is actually an amalgamation of comic arcs).
Going back to the 1987 cartoon is an experience. I was there for the original wave of Turtle Mania so I can safely say it was a huge part of my childhood. But at the same time... well, we have a topic elsewhere called "Bad Consequences of Good Games" or something like that, where we talk about how good video games inspired bad trends in the industry.
I feel like the 1987 TMNT cartoon is a good candidate for a similar topic about animation, because yeah, I love going back to it... but watching it now, its clear a lot of the shit I hate about modern cartoons got their first germlings of existence here.
Most notably the incredibly detached characters who treat lots of things like a joke and waffle between acting like they're living in the situation and realizing they're in a show and making blatant meta commentary about it, and the "anything goes as long as its for a gag" mentality. TMNT 1987 was less bad about this than modern shows would be, but still, without TMNT 1987 we probably wouldn't have Ducktales 2017.
The funny thing with TMNT 1987 though is this shift was gradual. The first season (actually a five-episode miniseries) had humor but actually told a relatively serious adventure story, but as the show went on it got more gag-centric.... then it had a reverse trajectory as 1990s edge set in and we got the Red Sky seasons, which a lot of people like to claim is a Jump the Shark moment but honestly watching it now I consider it more a breath of fresh air.
That said, the "gag" seasons gave us stories like Night of the Dark Turtle which are legitimately hilarious.
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Well, I got egg on my face.
Not that the double standard doesn't still exist, but still.
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Guess the context behind this.
Some artist going by MangaMaster did this. OC is some bald fat guy that gets all the girls.
UPDATE: He also did Velma. Yes, THAT Velma. The Mindy Kaling Velma. I saw it. I wish I didn't, but let's just say that posting it here is a pretty good excuse to get me permabanned from this site.
Some artist going by MangaMaster did this. OC is some bald fat guy that gets all the girls.
UPDATE: He also did Velma. Yes, THAT Velma. The Mindy Kaling Velma. I saw it. I wish I didn't, but let's just say that posting it here is a pretty good excuse to get me permabanned from this site.
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Three more episodes into Ducktales 2017...
For some reason, I actually really enjoyed the episode The Impossible Summit of Mt Neverrest. I don't know why, I guess I was just in a good mood when I watched it.
That quickly faded though.
One thing I wanna comment on.... I absolutely hate how they did Launchpad dirty. This has actually been a continuous problem... when Launchpad first appeare in the 1980s series, my boy McQuack was a bit of a crash-prone goof but still an otherwise-functioning adult. Then in Darkwing Duck he started becoming borderline retarded, and now in Ducktales 2017 its amazing he doesn't choke to death trying to breath.
And what the fuck is up with Flintheart Glomgold?
..... Actually, going back to the 1980s Ducktales, if you watch it again there's actually an odd quirk.... that being that both Flintheart and Magica's first appearance show them being... oddly nice. Not in an "evil plan" way, but for example Magica causes someone to drop something by accident, and just offers to pick it up for them... no threat, no hope of reward, she just does. Flintheart in his first outing doesn't seem any more evil than Scrooge, and they feel more like just business rivals than archnemeses.
But man, Flintheart, like Launchpad, has been done dirty by the 2017 show. Rather than follow any sort of interesting suggestions for his personality, they make him basically a walking "evil villain" cliche who has slideshows and monologues and plays to type and god damn do I want this guy to shut up.
I really wish he had just stayed a stone statue in the golf episode that also for some reason had a My Little Pony parody. For whatever reason I actually liked the Kelpies.
And just, god damn I wish the nephews would act like real kids for once. Dewey is the most tolerable, but even he has his moments... "I don't wanna go in that room because it might turn out my mom was evil!" But then for seemingly no reason he just changes his mind... because the script says so I guess.
To compare to Legend of the Three Caballeros, the way it portrays Daisy's nieces April, May, and June.... this is basically what the nephews should've been.
And Mark Beak, that guy who is supposed to be a Mark Zuckerberg parody.... I really wish he had died in his first appearance. Or better yet, that he had died on the cutting room floor.
Only thing keeping me going is A) I really wanna see how they handle Magica de Spell (though I'm expecting they make her autistic and annoying too) and B) I am really still interested in the crossover elements.
Weirdly, the brief cameo of Darkwing Duck at the beginning of Beware the BUDDY System seems like they took him the exact opposite trajectory and made him way more competent than he was originally. Same for the guy who becomes Gizmoduck. That's kind of against standard practice for this show. With how it makes everyone a total retard, I rather expected Darkwing would drown in his own drool, Fenton would blow himself up trying to lay an egg, and Gosalyn (if she ever appears) will try to transition female-to-male and end up catching an infection from an unclean surgical knife.
..... Why did people like Ducktales 2017, exactly?
For some reason, I actually really enjoyed the episode The Impossible Summit of Mt Neverrest. I don't know why, I guess I was just in a good mood when I watched it.
That quickly faded though.
One thing I wanna comment on.... I absolutely hate how they did Launchpad dirty. This has actually been a continuous problem... when Launchpad first appeare in the 1980s series, my boy McQuack was a bit of a crash-prone goof but still an otherwise-functioning adult. Then in Darkwing Duck he started becoming borderline retarded, and now in Ducktales 2017 its amazing he doesn't choke to death trying to breath.
And what the fuck is up with Flintheart Glomgold?
..... Actually, going back to the 1980s Ducktales, if you watch it again there's actually an odd quirk.... that being that both Flintheart and Magica's first appearance show them being... oddly nice. Not in an "evil plan" way, but for example Magica causes someone to drop something by accident, and just offers to pick it up for them... no threat, no hope of reward, she just does. Flintheart in his first outing doesn't seem any more evil than Scrooge, and they feel more like just business rivals than archnemeses.
But man, Flintheart, like Launchpad, has been done dirty by the 2017 show. Rather than follow any sort of interesting suggestions for his personality, they make him basically a walking "evil villain" cliche who has slideshows and monologues and plays to type and god damn do I want this guy to shut up.
I really wish he had just stayed a stone statue in the golf episode that also for some reason had a My Little Pony parody. For whatever reason I actually liked the Kelpies.
And just, god damn I wish the nephews would act like real kids for once. Dewey is the most tolerable, but even he has his moments... "I don't wanna go in that room because it might turn out my mom was evil!" But then for seemingly no reason he just changes his mind... because the script says so I guess.
To compare to Legend of the Three Caballeros, the way it portrays Daisy's nieces April, May, and June.... this is basically what the nephews should've been.
And Mark Beak, that guy who is supposed to be a Mark Zuckerberg parody.... I really wish he had died in his first appearance. Or better yet, that he had died on the cutting room floor.
Only thing keeping me going is A) I really wanna see how they handle Magica de Spell (though I'm expecting they make her autistic and annoying too) and B) I am really still interested in the crossover elements.
Weirdly, the brief cameo of Darkwing Duck at the beginning of Beware the BUDDY System seems like they took him the exact opposite trajectory and made him way more competent than he was originally. Same for the guy who becomes Gizmoduck. That's kind of against standard practice for this show. With how it makes everyone a total retard, I rather expected Darkwing would drown in his own drool, Fenton would blow himself up trying to lay an egg, and Gosalyn (if she ever appears) will try to transition female-to-male and end up catching an infection from an unclean surgical knife.
..... Why did people like Ducktales 2017, exactly?
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TV tropes absolutely loves this movie because "yay science!" and "yay atheism!" It's a good movie, but knowing that those spergs drool over it for those reasons sours the experience. It's not about disbelieving in magic because you're the smartest asshole in the room, it's about keeping the belief and wonder alive even if it goes away, for without magic to help stimulate man's imagination, science wouldn't have gained ground.
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The infestation is too deep now, burn Nickleodeon to the ground and salt the ashes (in Minecraft, of course).
The people making this are so used to living in cities swamped by drug addicted homeless people that it is influencing their character designs.
As for the Twitter activists claiming that April was a "ethnic" character of color, they are right: She is ethically IRISH. She is fucking called APRIL O'NEILL, not Shaniqua Qwanz. The only color associated to her is red as in redhead. This is her first depiction in a color cover of the comic all the way back in 1986:
They want to demoralize us, do not allow it.
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I wasn't aware you could salt things using a video game. Do you have to grind up cartridges or something?
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Stop browsing 8chan Juan it'll rot your brain. Though breaking up lumity I can get behind, if only because it was done more so Dana dumbass could cry ''Disney canceled my show because they don't like lqbtqrstuvwxyz representation. " yeah right Dana I'd sooner believe John k's claim that Robin Byrd "slutted up to him', and was the one "using sex to further her animation career. "
You know how bad things have gotten? Even a show as inane and insipid as strawberry shortcake had to jump on the woke bandwagon. In the latest incarnation of that show. There's not only two overtly flaming homos raising a (girl) character but also a fucking Troon. They drop the word trans once but also blatantly show the Troon pride colors, it couldn't be any more obvious.
Though frankly I'm just surprised they'd want to reboot a property like strawberry short cake now. The height of rebooting 80s toy based cartoons was the early to mid 2010s when mlp (for better or worse) was showing you can reboot an older property that wasn't all that great in its day to begin with and make it work for a new audience.
In slightly better news mark made a retrospective on f is for family.
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That's two reboots of shows predominantly meant for preschoolers that have put a fucking troon in it (Blue's Clues being the other one). Totally not grooming kids though, no siree!
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Which is weird since Ommadon wants to use science against man. Science is merely a tool, much like a hammer it depends on the person using whether they will build something with it or use it to bash someone's skull in.
"Man will understand and come to desire MY magic..."
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Fits perfectly well with how these people view science.
Trust the science and the specialists in the things I like and agree with my worldview, but ignore all empirical evidence that raise doubts and/or goes against those things.