Terror Trouble in Orlando

In the US, gun dealers are licensed by the federal government. People can be prevented from buying weapons if they have mental health problems or are guilty of serious crimes, but there is no specific prohibition for those on the terrorism watch list. There are currently about one million people on that list.

There are other ways to buy guns - at gun shows, or from a private vendor online - that do not require any background checks.

The Senate voted down legislation that would have closed a gun show loophole and expanded background checks to cover private sales.

Also rejected were:
  • A bill to ban suspects on terrorism watch lists from buying guns
  • A bill (backed by the NRA) that would allow the US attorney general to delay a gun purchase by a known or suspected terrorist, but prosecutors would need to convince a judge of the would-be-buyer's connection to terrorism within three days
  • A bill that would alert the FBI to terrorism suspects who have purchased a gun, without blocking the purchase outright
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I'm not a BAN ALL GUNS type of person, but holy fuck, are you serious? What is so controversial about not allowing suspected terrorists to buy guns??? Or even allowing them to buy guns but still alerting the FBI? I just don't get it.
 
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Cosmos said:
What is so controversial about not allowing suspected terrorists to buy guns
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The fact that 5 year olds, opponents of the death penalty, and people for no explicable reason are on these lists and the government will give no reason for people being on these terrorist watchlists/no fly lists, there is no way to get off of it, either. It's a tool to punish political opponents.

What's so controversial about arresting suspected terrorists? If they're a suspect, arrest them. If there's no proof of a crime, leave them alone.

Aren't you more scared about suspected terrorists being allowed to roam this country freely? What's stopping them from buying 100 gallons of gas in tanks, loading up their car, parking it next to a police station, and igniting it? Or a school?

If we're supposed to fear terror attacks from these terror suspects, we have to do a lot more than just not let them buy guns.
 
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Cosmos said:
I'm not a BAN ALL GUNS type of person, but holy fuck, are you serious? What is so controversial about not allowing suspected terrorists to buy guns??? Or even allowing them to buy guns but still alerting the FBI? I just don't get it.
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Yes what could possibly be wrong with the government deciding without trial, evidence or due process that certain constitutional rights should be "temporarily" removed from citizens who have been found guilty of absolutely no crimes.

Especially when that list targets like, 95%+ members of one single group.

That's a brilliant idea.
 
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Internet War Criminal said:
Considering how many more people die every year due to gang violence, I move that we make a list and prevent every single African-American who wears either blue or red items of clothing on a similar list and prevent them to fully exercise their rights just in case.
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Or put every African American who was even arrested, charges dropped or not, of a marijuana crime to be put onto the gang watchlist. That won't infringe on anyone's rights.
 
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Shugo said:
What's so controversial about arresting suspected terrorists? If they're a suspect, arrest them. If there's no proof of a crime, leave them alone.
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You don't need actual proof, just probable cause.

There's not even any probable cause for the no-fly list, though. It's a completely unaccountable list that is notorious for including random people completely in error, people who just share the same name as someone, or even elected officials who apparently pissed off some basement dwelling unaccountable bureaucrat somewhere.
 
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Piga Dgrifm said:
Some people are on the no fly list purely because they have common names, or just because of clerical errors.
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It took Senator Ted Kennedy six fucking months to get removed from the no fly list. SIX MONTHS for a sitting Senator, and only after he spents three weeks literally annoying the shit out of the DHS head directly due to him being a senator and able to do that.

If you think anyone who gets put on that list is ever removed, you are kidding yourself. And if you think that list won't grow dramatically to include millions and millions of people (first step, gotta add people on anti-depressants or people with family members on anti-depressant) until basically no one can own a gun, you are downright retarded.
 
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Internet War Criminal said:
I can see why he gets so angry when the NYC LGBTQ community are pulling stunts like this:

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Was just about to post this shit. You fucking morons....the inability to recognize your enemy will be the result of your demise. Keep putting the blame on the wrong folks and see how many will get your back when shit hits the fan. I welcome you idiots to go spread your gospel in the streets of IRAN.
 
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Internet War Criminal said:
It took Senator Ted Kennedy six fucking months to get removed from the no fly list. SIX MONTHS for a sitting Senator, and only after he spents three weeks literally annoying the shit out of the DHS head directly due to him being a senator and able to do that.

If you think anyone who gets put on that list is ever removed, you are kidding yourself. And if you think that list won't grow dramatically to include millions and millions of people (first step, gotta add people on anti-depressants or people with family members on anti-depressant) until basically no one can own a gun, you are downright retarded.
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Okay, well, I didn't know all that. Still though, there must be some way to distinguish innocent people from people who are very likely to shoot up a public place.
 
Cosmos said:
Okay, well, I didn't know all that. Still though, there must be some way to distinguish innocent people from people who are very likely to shoot up a public place.
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Yes, it's called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which grants you due process, a fair trial, right to face your accuser and the presumption of innocent before proven guilty.

So unless someone commits a crime, gets arrested, tried and convinced, their rights should never be suspended even if emotionally it seems like 'the right thing to do'.

"Any society that will give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both" - Benjamin "Pimp Hand" Franklin
 
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Cosmos said:
there must be some way to distinguish innocent people from people who are very likely to shoot up a public place.
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This guy threatened on two separate occasions that he was going to shoot up his community college class. The FBI visited him and didn't press charges. There is a way, but they stopped investigating him for fears of being called anti-Muslim.
 
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Shugo said:
This guy threatened on two separate occasions that he was going to shoot up his community college class. The FBI visited him and didn't press charges. There is a way, but they stopped investigating him for fears of being called anti-Muslim.
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Are there crimes about hoax mass shooting threats like there are for hoax bomb threats?
 
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