Lovely conversation about how women are to blame for any time a man cheats...
It is very common to blame the person getting cheated on. If they are mentally/emotionally vulnerable (and not prone to violence), this instability can be leveraged into guilt on the victim.
What Nick and co. speak to the most is women cheating on men. It can be summed up as; when a woman cheats on the man, it's the man's fault. No reason to get mad at the woman. No reason to get mad at the man she cheated with. Drexel echoes this sentiment by blaming the "cuck" or "simp" (since blaming anyone else would make him either a perpetrator or accomplice of bad behavior).
This is a popular way for women who cheat (and men who help women cheat) to justify their behavior. It's an appeal to ego for the man being cheated on while offering a means of redemption,
but only on their terms. The redemption comes from the victim accepting responsibility, though this means they have to accept the premise that they were/are weak and deserve to get cheated on.
The "weak" man gets to display a manly sense of responsibility, but the perpetrators remain blameless. It's abuse, because they do this while the victim is in an emotionally/mentally vulnerable state while leveraging any relational attachment they have toward the woman.
On the subject of cheating:
Nick had some words for someone who had in issue with Camelot331's homewrecking during a livestream that Elissa clipped. Not sure what the chats Wartooth sent entailed. What is said and what Nick hears are sometimes two very different things (especially when he's stressed). It would be interesting if he really was blaming Nick for all infidelity in existence across time and wanted Nick to "un-fuck" his wife (with graphic imagery) and making everything all right again, but I'm betting that's more Nick than Wartooth talking. In any case, the results were very revealing.
Lots to unpack, but let's focus on where the blame is/isn't.
Camelot331 is a confessed homewrecker. He says he banged these women because he just got divorced, and he was like "fuck these dudes, cause they were like me, an' ah was like punishin' m'self", so he was aware that he was reliving trauma as a coping mechanism. Some light details are shared, and the panel responds (categorized by panelist and not chronology).
Nick says that if it wasn't Drexel or Camelot331, it would be someone else. If the woman is seeking it out (and not being seduced) then... you know he doesn't endorse or condone what goes against monogamous relationship, but he's not the fucking parent of anybody so don't bring him into it and that he won't condemn Camelot331 and (many angry words). Women are stepping out on men and that's the man's issue and Nicks says that's not his issue.
The crux of the issue for Nick's interpretation of events is that he feels that someone is pressuring him to denounce someone based on their solely feelings. Remember, it's because of the feelings that Nick should condemn homewrecking, and no other reason because there is no moral/ethical component and neither does this behavior have an impact on society at large. It's
pure emotion. Funny stuff considering how sensitive the topic is (and Nick is the one who brought it up).
Nick also pretends to be understanding enough to listen to this guy's story all day and talk it out with him. Somehow, I doubt this.
Flash agrees that Camelot is blameless, and says that the woman should be shamed. Camelot331 didn't make a mistake in doing what he did.
Drexel expresses confusion, but no cogent defense for the 3rd party (as is his custom). Camelot331 didn't make a mistake in doing what he did. Drexel welllll's and hmmmm's over a woman's capacity for love and tells Nick not to feel sorry for a man if their girl stepped out on them.
RenieDraws says women want their men to put their foot down and say no to this kind of thing (Drexel responds with "Wellllllllll").
This is Nick later, responding to the person he was willing to talk with all day. I don't know why, but he seems mad for some reason. Maybe it's the throbbing veins in his neck:
Let's hear more of Nick's sensible responses:
So, we finally have one chat that Nick reads aloud, and Nick's response is quite dramatic.
Wartooth says: Women who cheat and the men they cheat with are culpable.
Nick hears: Please, Nick, please grab Camelot331/Drexel's nipples and pull their cock out of my wife because you alone are responsible for all infidelity ever!
I bet Nick thinks this Wartooth wants him to save him or be his daddy too. I mean, "what do you want from me?". Funny stuff.
Nick finally confesses that the man who cheated didn't wreck the marriage because they didn't make the commitment.
Let's apply this logic to Nick. I didn't agree to his marriage, but I also didn't agree that Nick's house was his property. I respect both as an outsider regardless because both are legally recognizable statuses held in society at large to maintain order, and I'm also not socially retarded. Nick's take is short-sighted, self-serving, and ultimately what I've come to expect from Nick and co.
Best-case scenario, Nick ultimately neither endorses or condemns the behavior of the person the cheater cheats with, making it a non-issue for Nick. Nick
did defend the behavior of the men the women are cheating with though, and his answer to a man who been cheated on is to just move on (it's that easy, just ask
Camelot331). One would suppose that it would
have to be this way considering the company he keeps and if he wants their content to continue on his channel. Ultimately, whatever results in the victim being the only one hurt seems to be the optimal result. How naïve.
Whoever is to blame, it seems that Nick, Flash, Drexel, can agree that men like Camelot331 and Drexel are holy, blameless beings who are just waking men up to the fact that some/all women can't be trusted. They are doing these men a service, and the best thing they can do for themselves is join the ranks of Drexel and teach other men the same lesson.
People don't like whining online, but it's incredibly naïve to think one could bring up painful subjects like cheating/homewrecking and not have to deal with the fallout in chat. Nick's confusion as to why he would have to deal with it is especially funny because
Nick was the one who brought it up in the first place and continued to engage with Wartooth.
All in all, very amusing.
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