Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[JULAY]

So that's about it. While hate towards the trans ideology is more than justified, I feel that it's often poorly directed, and we can only defeat the movement with an accurate understanding of how it operates in the first place. I was going to object to your usage of the word "cult" but honestly the more I talk the more I feel like I escaped one.

Thank you for responding to my questions, and doubly so for offering your insights. I can understand why you would initially object to me calling the trans movement a cult, but I feel that it is an accurate term. What the trans movement is, at its most essential, is a new set of religious beliefs. Specifically, that everyone has an "innate gender identity" that exists totally independent of one's biological body, that nobody except the individual in question can ever experience, and there is no objective test that can ever measure or quantify or even confirm the existence thereof.

You know what that sounds like? The idea of the human soul, as conceived by numerous different religions in various ways. But as everyone knows, there is no proof of the human soul, nor can there ever be, because the concept itself is based on metaphysics. But while most religions freely admit that their adherents are practicing their tenets as a matter of faith, gender ideologues INSIST that their beliefs are based on scientific facts that either are "not up for debate" or are "settled science".

So not only is gender ideology a religious belief, you also have to look at the tactics that they use to recruit new adherents to their religion. Fortunately, I have an infographic that lays the major points out quite nicely:

Let's look at a few of these items in more depth, with particular focus on your situation:

Oppose Critical Thinking and Questioning the Doctrine:

"Check out these relatable memes! Do you [insert symptom of social anxiety]? You might be like us! If this statement makes you question yourself even for a second, you MUST be trans. Look at all these testimonies from happy transgender people!" The real issue with you is that your gender is wrong, and you can finally live an authentic life as your true self if you just take these pills, change your name, have this surgery...

Warn of Dire Consequences for not joining / Instill Fear in Cult Members:

You go back to the trans spaces, and they tell you yes. Yes you are one of us. You are one of us and you need to transition NOW because your body is literally destroying itself the longer you wait and you will live to regret it otherwise. Let the cycle repeat itself a few times and it eventually begins to perpetuate itself as you learn to redefine certain quirks of your personality, or innocuous occurrences from your childhood, as surefire signs that you should have been born the opposite sex.

Force Cult Members to Doubt and Resist Objective Facts as well as their own Experiences, Perceptions and Knowledge:

So you bite the bullet and troon out. The difficult thing is, no matter how deep you get into transition that feeling never goes away - its focus only shifts to a different body part, or a different element of your presentation, or your voice, or your personality, or your interests, or the guy across the street who looked at you funny, and for as long as you keep indulging the delusion it follows you everywhere.


I could keep going, but I trust that my point is clear. One of the most insidious things about the gender ideology cult is the lovebombing, because it doesn't just come from other trans people, it comes from literally ALL OF SOCIETY. Take an isolated, insecure person who may having trouble fitting in, and as soon as they declare a trans identity, what happens? All of a sudden they are "special", "stunning and brave", they are celebrated by teachers, their peers, the mainstream media, social media, the political establishment, basically by everyone. If they happen to be Caucasian, they have found a way to escape being labeled an "oppressor", and now they have identified their way into "the oppressed".

It's no wonder that such an ideology would appeal to isolated, insecure people! All of the celebration, the validation makes you feel good, makes you feel loved, and it's very easy to bask in those feelings and reject anything that might cause you to question the affirmation that you are receiving. I'm sure that you had more than your share of experience with this, because every person who hops aboard the trans train does.

I often see people asking, "Where did these people get the idea that there is a 'trans genocide'?" Well, like every cult, gender ideologues must constantly identify threats to its continued existence from without, and if there are none of sufficient magnitude, invent them. Thus, you get all of the vitriol shown toward anyone who questions the ideology in even the mildest terms, as well as nonsensical ideas like a "trans genocide". Scientology does the same thing with "suppressive people" and their hatred of mainstream psychology and psychiatry.

And finally, we come to detransitioners like yourself. I don't know if you experienced any hatred from the trans cult, but I'd bet that you did. Almost everyone who detransitions does. I remember a few months ago a detrans woman who had been taking testosterone made a video about going bald. Trans spaces were openly mocking her, making rape threats, making death threats. And that pattern is repeated over and over again. You sometimes hear people still in the cult say that detransitioners were "never really trans" even though one of the fundamental beliefs that they have is that anyone who says that they are trans IS trans, no exceptions. You experienced that aspect firsthand.

Contrary to what many might think, I don't hate people who were sucked into the cult. They're victims more than anything else. As you said,

"Some people follow the road of transition until they reach a dead end. A body pumped full of cross-sex hormones, a resculpted face, genitals mangled into a poor imitation of nature's craftsmanship, and for what? People come up with all sorts of ways to cope after reaching that final point - isn't this the life they wanted? And yet, after following every step exactly as they were told, the dreaded feeling remains, and you can tell that at some level they understand the hell they've entered themselves into. These are the people I pity the most, even though they did it to themselves in a sense."

I couldn't agree more. What I hate is that this dangerous, and dare I say evil cult is growing in power and influence instead of shrinking, and leaving millions of vulnerable people all around the world irreversibly harmed for the rest of their lives in its wake.

 

[Procrastinhater]

This may seem counterintuitive, but I think we need to be more sympathetic towards trans people. Obviously not like "being a troon sucks i feel so sorry for you" in a way that reinforces the delusion, but we should try to understand why people transition. As I said above, open hostility doesn't change anybody mind.

I know what you're saying bro but how sympathetic are we supposed to fucking be to deviant sex obsessed cultists that are turning to violence now they are being prevented from grooming kids?
Being "sympathetic" and trying to be nice to a group that takes a mile if you give it an inch is what got us here.
These sick fucks don't want to be helped, they want subservience and surrender and they are turning to violence now they are being resisted.
You don't show sympathy to a rabid animal, you put it down.
They need to be treated like you would members of any cult, deprogrammmed, and if necessary seperated from the people they would harm.
Playing nice doesn't work. We tried it already.
Your kindness is hurting people.
This is a fucking Cult and should be treated like one. The Japanese tolerated Aum Shinrikyo, until they started to get some pushback and that cult got violent and Sarin gassed the Tokyo Subway.
The transgender cult is showing itself to be just as violent, and their rhetoric is becoming just as murderous and members just as radicalized.
Unless we stop dealing with these freaks with kid gloves Nashville won't be the last atrocity and those victims won't be the last blood on tranny hands.

 

[JULAY]

I know what you're saying bro but how sympathetic are we supposed to fucking be to deviant sex obsessed cultists that are turning to violence now they are being prevented from grooming kids?
Being "sympathetic" and trying to be nice to a group that takes a mile if you give it an inch is what got us here.
These sick fucks don't want to be helped, they want subservience and surrender and they are turning to violence now they are being resisted.
You don't show sympathy to a rabid animal, you put it down.
They need to be treated like you would members of any cult, deprogrammmed, and if necessary seperated from the people they would harm.
Playing nice doesn't work. We tried it already.
Your kindness is hurting people.
This is a fucking Cult and should be treated like one. The Japanese tolerated Aum Shinrikyo, until they started to get some pushback and that cult got violent and Sarin gassed the Tokyo Subway.
The transgender cult is showing itself to be just as violent, and their rhetoric is becoming just as murderous and members just as radicalized.
Unless we stop dealing with these freaks with kid gloves Nashville won't be the last atrocity and those victims won't be the last blood on tranny hands.

I understand and sympathize with your view, but unlike Aum Shinrikyo, this particular cult has no single leader, and has overtaken all of Western society. Resorting to violence would be genocide on a scale that would make Hitler, Stalin and Mao look like pikers.

This isn't the first time that a mass delusion has infected a society, and it won't be the last. Previous mass delusions have been broken without resorting to mass murder, and this one can be too. Hopefully soon, because one thing you are 100% right about is that this particular cult has demonstrated that its members are especially prone to using violence to achieve their ends.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I understand and sympathize with your view, but unlike Aum Shinrikyo, this particular cult has no single leader, and has overtaken all of Western society. Resorting to violence would be genocide on a scale that would make Hitler, Stalin and Mao look like pikers.

This isn't the first time that a mass delusion has infected a society, and it won't be the last. Previous mass delusions have been broken without resorting to mass murder, and this one can be too. Hopefully soon, because one thing you are 100% right about is that this particular cult has demonstrated that its members are especially prone to using violence to achieve their ends.

No you misunderstand me, I'm not advocating taking them out back and showing them the rabbits lol, I'm saying they're the ones advocating violence, and they should be treated as the delusional psychotics they are, we need to get past this greed and ideology based restriction on exploring and researching alternative treatments such as antipsychotics which have proven effective at treating gender dysphoria, and the true horrors and failure rates of their mutilations made more widely known, but most of all they need to be deprogrammed, and there needs to be a pushback on these "trans influencers" and others advocating arming up and violence and pushing the "trans genocide" narrative.
The more openly aggressive ones that are pushing this "punch a nazi/terf" etc violence need to be identified and detained, they're recruiting impressionable kids and radicalizing them no different to fucking ISIS recruiters.
There needs to be open debate and pushback and their lies and false narratives defeated with logic and facts.
I'm not advocating for Camps.
Yet.

 

[WhiskeyJack]

Geoform 187 said:
This may seem counterintuitive, but I think we need to be more sympathetic towards trans people. Obviously not like "being a troon sucks i feel so sorry for you" in a way that reinforces the delusion, but we should try to understand why people transition.

The "why troon?" has the same answer as "why lesbian?" did in the 2000's. You've got a group of people who are, essentially, losers. In social terms, at least; they can be academically or even financially successful, but ultimately fail at relationships with other people, especially the opposite sex. This group has always and will always exist, and historically was probably about 20% of the population. It's grown significantly since the 1970's, due to many social factors that have damaged both long-term relationships and parental influence on their children.

An ugly girl in 2005 who couldn't get laid, especially a teenaged tomboy type, used to turn lesbian because 1) it made it a lot easier to get laid, since gays/lesbians have zero standards, and 2) meant that the reason men avoided relationships with her wasn't her "fault", she was just lesbian and it was therefore normal for men to avoid her. It was a useful way to avoid admitting to herself that she was simply not attractive to the people she was attracted to.

This "Trooning out" fad of the late 2010's and today, seems to stem from the same type of avoidance/self-gaslighting behavior.

The difference is that the high school lesbian girl would eventually go to college, far away from people who knew her personally. After a few years she'd lose weight, stop getting acne, maybe develop some actual personality as she finally got a job and learned some sort of vaguely useful information, or what have you. One day in her early 20's or so she'd meet a guy who didn't know her, who would flirt with her, she'd flirt back, and next thing you know she's telling her parent she'll kill them if they ever tell her fiancé that she was a lesbian in high school. She'll probably refer to her high school time as "going through a phase" and never bring it up again to avoid embarrassment, and her family will gaslight the hell out of her new husband because they want grandkids someday.

With the troons, the damage from transitioning is largely permanent, has massive changes to brain chemistry, and major lifelong health implications. It can't be so easily swept aside as a "phase" once the ugly girl/poor guy finally meets someone actually interested in them physically. Worse still, by trooning out, they become very vulnerable to predators and abusers, even more so than the predators that already preyed on the lesbian/gay-until-graduation teens.

What we need are more YA movies targeted at teens with ugly duckling-type stories (you know the type, the whole "take off her glasses and she's suddenly beautiful" sort of films), at least for teen girls, as they tend to respond best to that sort of propaganda. Guys probably just need more weight-training classes and skills training to give them some sense of self-worth beyond their ability to get a girlfriend. Basically, give kids hope that things will improve after high school/college and that sex can wait until they're better prepared for a real relationship. As a culture, we used to be much better at telling young people that they'd eventually grow out of their awkward phase so they could know to avoid making life-ruining decisions just to get laid, and we sure as hell didn't used to teach teens that being a virgin at 15 was a bad thing or outright embarrassing.

The modern culture directly pushes young people into bad relationships and bad life choices, just to avoid being outcast or labeled an Incel. Ironically, it's made many of them far more outcast than any virgin would be. It's done a lot more harm than just causing trooning out or fake lesbian/gays. Hookup culture, high divorce rates, porn addiction, body-mutilation, r/antiwork, the single-motherhood epidemic; it all ultimately stems from modern culture's failures to raise well-adjusted children.

 

[JULAY]

There needs to be open debate and pushback and their lies and false narratives defeated with logic and facts.

This I agree with... I think that a large part of the problem is that the mainstream media outside of conservative outlets is all aboard the trans train. They are complicit in maintaining the narrative that this is all sunshine and rainbows, that the trans community just want to "live as their authentic selves", that the detransitioners either don't exist, or if they do are such a vanishingly small cohort that they can safely be ignored, that this is "settled science", etc. The talking heads are literally just that, outside of very, very few people, any voice in the so-called media is not that of a journalist, but of a political commentator rallying the troops to the cause du jour. If the media would actually investigate the trans movement, and expose the reality behind the "affirmation only" model, it would go a long way to ending this insanity. And slowly but surely, cracks are starting to appear. Not nearly fast enough for my tastes, but to think that a liberal rag like the NYT would publish an article like this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/us/gender-identity-students-parents.html

And then stand by their reporting when trans activists cried foul shows that the trans cult is beginning its inevitable collapse. At the state level, there are laws being enacted to curb the worst excesses of this cult, and more and more will be put into place as time goes by. I think the day is coming very soon where some states will define being trans as a mental illness, and thus preclude trans ownership of firearms. This is a common sense policy that will cut down on more mass shootings by troons.

I'm old enough to remember when there were only three TV networks, and everyone in America literally saw the same things being reported. Now, it's entirely too easy to segregate yourself in a media bubble where you only hear the things that you want to hear, and can convince yourself that ideas antithetical to your own are always wrong, and that those who hold those ideas are always "bad people". The unfortunate fact is that most people have neither the inclination nor the cognitive capability to critically evaluate the information that they are receiving and/or explore other ideas that they don't agree with. Doing that makes a person uncomfortable, and that's something that most people simply aren't willing to do any more.

But as I said before, this isn't the first time that a society has experienced an episode of mass delusion. The second Red Scare comes to mind, as does the Satanic Panic. In both cases, people eventually woke up to reality. The real question is, how do we accelerate that process so that we can save as many vulnerable children as possible?

 

[Doktor Grimm]

You sometimes hear people still in the cult say that detransitioners were "never really trans" even though one of the fundamental beliefs that they have is that anyone who says that they are trans IS trans, no exceptions.

This is the most infuriating aspect for me. Questioning anybody's transition (including your own) is strictly forbidden, and yet people who regret it are dumbasses who rushed ahead without questioning themselves. No matter how many times we explain the intense dysphoria we felt prior to detransitioning, we're brushed off as idiots or liars, or even worse we're told that we'll eventually come back to the light and retransition.

It's heartbreaking that these people can't conceive a way forward without permanently altering themselves, to the point where they're willing to engage in this insane cognitive dissonance when they encounter evidence that challenges their worldview. I've seen some claim that the entire detrans movement is the result of some kind of evil TERF psyop. Anything to convince themselves that trans genocide is real.

Thanks for the infographic by the way - really spot on I think.

 

[Jarry Seinfelt]

Contrary to what many might think, I don't hate people who were sucked into the cult. They're victims more than anything else. As you said,

"Some people follow the road of transition until they reach a dead end. A body pumped full of cross-sex hormones, a resculpted face, genitals mangled into a poor imitation of nature's craftsmanship, and for what? People come up with all sorts of ways to cope after reaching that final point - isn't this the life they wanted? And yet, after following every step exactly as they were told, the dreaded feeling remains, and you can tell that at some level they understand the hell they've entered themselves into. These are the people I pity the most, even though they did it to themselves in a sense."

I think you've touched on something really interesting here that I haven't seen too much discussion on: "changing yourself" by going on hormones or getting the surgery/surgeries is perceived as easier than a lot of other forms of self improvement like hitting the gym, watching what you put in your body, and developing your own sense of personal style. Even if going under the knife or getting black market bathtub E/T isn't "easy", there's a lot less blood, sweat, and tears coming from the troon than there are in drinking/smoking less and doing some squats and jogging. This is amplified even more, by the trans community online being a total hugbox. Even though at a decent gym, you will get respect and compliments on your bench form, or that you're moving a lot of weight on your deadlift or whatever. And those communities are no-shit healthier than r/MTF or whatever.

This goes back to my other old point, which is: there's tons of decent gay people who have it together, so I can't find it in my heart to be homophobic. I've seen every indication that you can be a normal, happy, gay man or lesbian woman who's adding to society, but like 95%+ of troons are jusk fuck-ups.

 

[AnOminous]

The difference is that the high school lesbian girl would eventually go to college, far away from people who knew her personally. After a few years she'd lose weight, stop getting acne, maybe develop some actual personality as she finally got a job and learned some sort of vaguely useful information, or what have you. One day in her early 20's or so she'd meet a guy who didn't know her, who would flirt with her, she'd flirt back, and next thing you know she's telling her parent she'll kill them if they ever tell her fiancé that she was a lesbian in high school. She'll probably refer to her high school time as "going through a phase" and never bring it up again to avoid embarrassment, and her family will gaslight the hell out of her new husband because they want grandkids someday.

Dykes used to contemptuously call these "LUGs," Lesbian Until Graduation. Haven't heard that one lately though.

 

[WhiskeyJack]

Dykes used to contemptuously call these "LUGs," Lesbian Until Graduation. Haven't heard that one lately though.

I actually used that term a few paragraphs down. I think it's fallen out of common parlance since the fad moved towards trooning instead. Now the LUGs are FTM-until-41%.

 

[glass_houses]

Dykes used to contemptuously call these "LUGs," Lesbian Until Graduation. Haven't heard that one lately though.

In certain places, it's now considered offensive to point out that many young women go through a 'boys are yucky' stage, or a poser stage, or both. All sexual and gender expression is heckin' valid, and pointing out that these women are in the process of 'activism' and actively destroying subcultures that they have no intention of staying or living in, before moving on to become full time heterosexuals for the rest of their lives, is 'offensive'.

Questioning how people can call themselves 'queer' without being a rug muncher or a fudgepacker or even merely sexually flexible is the essence of bigotry.

Sinfest put it brilliantly:

 

[MongInTheMirror]

I think you've touched on something really interesting here that I haven't seen too much discussion on: "changing yourself" by going on hormones or getting the surgery/surgeries is perceived as easier than a lot of other forms of self improvement like hitting the gym, watching what you put in your body, and developing your own sense of personal style. Even if going under the knife or getting black market bathtub E/T isn't "easy", there's a lot less blood, sweat, and tears coming from the troon than there are in drinking/smoking less and doing some squats and jogging. This is amplified even more, by the trans community online being a total hugbox. Even though at a decent gym, you will get respect and compliments on your bench form, or that you're moving a lot of weight on your deadlift or whatever. And those communities are no-shit healthier than r/MTF or whatever.

This goes back to my other old point, which is: there's tons of decent gay people who have it together, so I can't find it in my heart to be homophobic. I've seen every indication that you can be a normal, happy, gay man or lesbian woman who's adding to society, but like 95%+ of troons are jusk fuck-ups.

I think part of this - and how it fits in with the rest of the individualistic, participation- trophy mentality of troons and their enablers - is that change via hormones/surgery instead of diet/exercise/self- improvement is yet another opportunity to externalize blame. If it doesn't work, and you're still miserable after, it's because someone else fucked up. The surgeon botched your surgery, the endocrinologist got your dose of girljuice wrong, your shrink didn't validate you enough, society didn't accept you, etc etc etc, ad infinitum. If you fall off the diet and exercise bandwagon, it's harder to avoid the reality that it's just a personal failing and you're suffering due to your own lack of self-discipline. That's aside from the fact that it's just more effort in the first place.

Yet another opportunity for a bunch of overgrown spoiled children to avoid being accountable for a single aspect of their own existence, IMO.

 

[Jarry Seinfelt]

I think part of this - and how it fits in with the rest of the individualistic, participation- trophy mentality of troons and their enablers - is that change via hormones/surgery instead of diet/exercise/self- improvement is yet another opportunity to externalize blame. If it doesn't work, and you're still miserable after, it's because someone else fucked up. The surgeon botched your surgery, the endocrinologist got your dose of girljuice wrong, your shrink didn't validate you enough, society didn't accept you, etc etc etc, ad infinitum. If you fall off the diet and exercise bandwagon, it's harder to avoid the reality that it's just a personal failing and you're suffering due to your own lack of self-discipline. That's aside from the fact that it's just more effort in the first place.

"Transgenderism cannot fail; it can only be failed."

 

[Patrick Bait-man]

When I joined Kiwi Farms and saying "tranny" became second-nature to me. I was already iffy of them, but Kiwi Farms made me realize just how awful much of them are; and my thoughts on them are only getting progressively worse as time passes.

 

[Roccosmoderndeath1]

I'm not sure what the "peak" is for me. Philosphy Tube comes to mind, his blatant and total grift being obvious even to fellow trans. However, I think the story of how the "path to transphobia" started for me is a little more relevant.

I'm somewhat of a leftist fag, especially when I was younger. When I was in college, I was in a club, filled with similarly leftist faggy people, as is the norm in college. One of the girls in the club that I was close to was a pre-med student we will call Jen. Jen was cute, smart, and a big advocate for "women in STEM" stuff. Sadly, Jen got brain cancer, and she missed a semester, and had to go through a fuckload of treatment. It really did a number on her, she lost all of her hair and got that weird bloat you see cancer patients get. Of course, we were all supportive. We had a meal train, study groups just for her to catch up, and had a support system to help her get around when she couldn't drive. Two of the girls and a couple of the guys in the group even shaved their heads in solidarity.

Jen didn't grow her hair out, started wearing baggy clothing, spent a lot of time on the internet, and eventually told us to call her Josh and that she was a man. She immediately started hormones as soon as her cancer doctor signed off on it. As you may be thinking, this woman had brain cancer and went through a significant physical change through that. Her body and mind are in a fragile state and may be that way forever. A good friend would take her aside and gently ask her if she thought this was really what she wanted, and maybe it was best to work with a therapist and her neurologist on why she was suddenly feeling this way before making any big changes. Well, myself and a few others did just that.

Jen, of course, flipped shit. It was "fucking sickening" that we would "compare [her] identity to cancer." We were bigots and dead to her. She actually screamed this at one of the girls who shaved her head and was still driving her to class multiple times per week. She completely cut out anyone who questioned her and nearly destroyed the entire club friend group before she dropped out. All because people that cared about her dared to say, "hey you know that brain cancer of yours? I think it might have affected your brain."

For me, it was seeing this young woman going from a bright, young feminist, who overcame brain cancer, to a cut up shell of a person, who works at a shit tier call center with her fellow pooner partner now. A part of me still feels pity that her future prospects went downhill so fast.

The cherry on top is, I was only reminded of her to post in this thread because I came across her social media post for "Trans Day of Visibility." Her status: "Happy TDOV! Make sure to send every trans person you know $100." Lol, lmao even. I regret making a lasagna for that bitch.

 

[MongInTheMirror]

I think the story of how the "path to transphobia" started for me is a little more relevant.

That's so sad about your (former) friend. It sucks to watch someone torpedo their own life like that, especially when it sounds like they had such a solid support system beforehand. You guys sound like a great bunch of friends.

It totally encapsulates why I always laugh whenever someone online or IRL suggests that I'm only TERFy because I don't know enough trans people. As if meeting the kind of people who troon is going to automatically make you consider it more legitimate. Nothing will peak trans you like being in close contact with trannies, unless you're a dysfunctional cluster B genderspecial yourself.

If anything, when it comes to the kind of well-meaning but vapid liberals who tend to consider themselves "allies", I think it's the complete opposite: the ones who are the most supportive have often spent little to no time in close proximity to troons.

 

[Roccosmoderndeath1]

That's so sad about your (former) friend. It sucks to watch someone torpedo their own life like that, especially when it sounds like they had such a solid support system beforehand. You guys sound like a great bunch of friends.

It totally encapsulates why I always laugh whenever someone online or IRL suggests that I'm only TERFy because I don't know enough trans people. As if meeting the kind of people who troon is going to automatically make you consider it more legitimate. Nothing will peak trans you like being in close contact with trannies, unless you're a dysfunctional cluster B genderspecial yourself.

If anything, when it comes to the kind of well-meaning but vapid liberals who tend to consider themselves "allies", I think it's the complete opposite: the ones who are the most supportive have often spent little to no time in close proximity to troons.

That's the thing they don't understand. Many of us do not come from a place of ignorance. We come from a place of knowing, of experiencing and thinking through all of this.

Overall I don't hate trans people. I think many of them are broken like my friend, and were convinced this was the way to make them whole. I see them similar to addicts in a sense. Ultimately they are responsible for their choices, but their illness has taken over their lives and they are unwilling or unable to see it. And unlike an addict, society and the medical establishment feed into their illness. Many of us peaked with our bleeding hearts, not through hatred.

 

[Aunt Carol]

And unlike an addict, society and the medical establishment feed into their illness. Many of us peaked with our bleeding hearts, not through hatred.

It's coming to "peak trans" the same way you finally realize that there's no amount of $20 loans and late-night talkdowns that will get your Cluster B friend on an even keel; she's exactly where she wants to be, and you're exactly where she wants you to be, too.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

I don't remember if I sperged about this here before but what even does "queer" mean?

Reminds me of when I was in college, the GLBTSA elected this individual named Jana club president. Jana was allegedly bi, but she had never dated a woman. She was fucking a guy who was (allegedly) bi and they were involved in light kink. Now she's married to a non-binary man who is a former circus performer and they co-own a chai production company.

For me it's like the idea that "eggs" or asexuals are somehow marginalized. Nobody ever got their ass kicked for being a man dressed like a man, or being the girl in school who never dating anyone.

This was a while ago but it was sort of a "peak queer" for me: appropriating a marginalized identity as a sort of lifestyle statement.

 

[GloriousScarf]

For me it's like the idea that "eggs" or asexuals are somehow marginalized. Nobody ever got their ass kicked for being a man dressed like a man, or being the girl in school who never dating anyone.

This shit pisses me off. I'm old enough to remember the AIDs crisis and how people were dying all the goddamn time and gays really struggled for acceptance at a time when the average Joe didn't really understand HIV/AIDs and were afraid to even be around gay people.
All this on top of the normal issues LGBs would have to deal with at the time, like coming out to families and being ostracised by family & friends.

Now we have idiots like asexuals and demisexuals appropriating they LGB label to claim oppression and /or attention. The fucking audacity to act like you're a marginalised person because you need to have an emotional connection to someone to have sex. Absurd.