Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Not sure if this was posted, but a Ukrainian soldier was attacked by Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Moscow Patriarchate priests in Khmelnytskyi and has now held a Divine Liturgy in Ukrainian, which MP priests have said would displease God
Liturgy is supposed to be held in the native vernacular anyway. It's why a Greek Orthodox liturgy in America is in English and not Greek. Or why a Russian Orthodox liturgy is in Russian and not Greek. I'd suspect it's the change in leadership for political reasons that's "displeasing to God." Though it's not like the priest's behavior and the (alleged) actions of the Moscow Patriarchate were any less political or Godly.

Politics has no place in Church, and the politicization and division of Orthodoxy is a massive tragedy of the conflict.
 
Usually in wars the political Generals get fucking wrecked in the end and the warriors take over. Sadly for Russia, this process usually takes three years. I doubt we've heard the last of Surovikin. Especially if 2023 goes for Russia the way we are expecting. Putin would be an idiot not to keep him around, just so Shoigu knows he can be replaced if he keeps fucking up.

I don;'t think we've heard the last of him either, sadly - he's still officially in command of some area of the front, but isn't able to make doctrine changes and implement/decide theater wide logistics priorities anymore. Again, Ukraine is stalemated against the reorg he made from his short time in command.
And he's not even some tactical genius, he just knows how to pull back to naturally defensible terrain and stop needlessly throwing away men and equipment.

But what you're forgetting is that the War with Ukraine is not existential threat for Russia. If Russia loses there is still a Russia tomorrow, Ukraine wouldn't be able to push to Moscow. The only real threat to Putin is all internal. They could let Borscht and Gutski & Wagnigger reorganize the war and comeback in 2024 to stomp some Ukrainian necks, but that would make Surovikin a popular and dangerous man.
Supposedly part of the reason they demoted him was he was getting too popular with the rank and file. Imagine a war hero who has the loyalty of the army & mobliks. Putin couldn't allow that.

small amount of actual Nazis on the Ukrainian side beying for the blood of inferior races

> Be slav nazi
> try to find an inferior race
 
Liturgy is supposed to be held in the native vernacular anyway. It's why a Greek Orthodox liturgy in America is in English and not Greek.

This used to be a huge point in difference between Orthodox and Catholic. In the US, Mass was latin-only until (I believe) the 60s when English was provided as an option.
 
Aaaaaaaaand anuddah russian propagandist just got darya dugin'd

He is previously quoted as having said the following


And appeared on video gloating about how russia should openly revel in shit like Bucha in order to make the world fear it

....Guess that didnt work out too well for him
If they are going to start exploding influencers, why does Couch Red Pill keep surviving.
As we can see from this photograph of the body, he died like a true russian soldier....
Pantsless!
Plot twist. Angry woman who lost brother/husband/son takes it out on person she blames. Many such stories.

Also, wasn't the statue a representation of "Remove Kebab" guy? That was the bomb?! We are operating on levels of meme warfare hereto thought impossible.
I feel honored to bear witness to the onset of true Meme War in our lifetimes.
 
You know, i've been listening to "March of the New Army" lately. It's an adaptation of a Ukrainian folk song from the 1920's revolt against Moscow, and basically turned into the Anthem of the Ukrainian Army. Normally I don't give much truck with overly nationalistic chest thumping, but the Ukrainians actually backed it up this past year. So its a real slapper. It includes the line "Crying has never given anyone freedom".

The middle part of the song is the Prayer of the Ukrainian Nationalist, and the clip in from a video of Azov reciting it before going to the front in 2015. I have noticed many new songs about the war clipping the old video.


In Azov you must know the Prayer by memory, and the Ideology branch of the Azov movement has been handing out pocket prayers for the frontline soldiers. They have become popular outside of Azov, so they have been sending them to any Brigade soldier that wants them.

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Edit: The Prayer of the Ukrainian Nationalist is also printed on the flag of the 3rd Assault Brigade.
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Here is the video of the flag and the 3rd Assault Brigade saying the prayer.
 
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I was arguing about this with a vatnigger I know who was my friend, but stopped talking with me when he lost his bet that Russia would take Odesa and all of the Donbass by the end of 2022 (bastard still owes me $250). I don't remember the numbers but by sheer number of buildings destroyed as well as percentage of the city destroyed Mariupol exceeds Fallujah significantly, and the Ba'ath/AlQaeda alliance made prolific use of suicide bombers and human shields during that battle.
Fallujah Number 2 was a cauldron done right. Civilians were evacuated best we could, the terrorists were given a green light to arrive, and despite being a clusterfuck was incredibly successful.
The battle proved to be the bloodiest of the war and the bloodiest battle involving American troops since the Vietnam War. Comparisons with the Battle of Hue City and the Pacific campaign of World War II were made. Coalition forces suffered a total of 107 killed and 613 wounded during Operation Phantom Fury. U.S. forces had 54 killed and 425 wounded in the initial attack in November. By 23 December when the operation was officially concluded, the casualty number had risen to 95 killed and 560 wounded. British forces had 4 killed and 10 wounded in two separate attacks in the outskirts of Fallujah. Iraqi forces suffered 8 killed and 43 wounded. Estimates of insurgent casualties are complicated by a lack of official figures. Most estimates place the number of insurgents killed at around 1,200 to 1,500, with some estimations as high as over 2,000 killed. Coalition forces also captured approximately 1,500 insurgents during the operation. The Red Cross estimated directly following the battle that some 800 civilians had been killed during the offensive. The Iraq Body Count project reported between 581 and 670 civilian deaths resulting from the battle.

The 1st Marine Division fired a total of 5,685 high-explosive 155mm artillery rounds during the battle. The 3rd Marine Air Wing (aviation assets only) expended 318 precision bombs, 391 rockets and missiles, and 93,000 machine gun and cannon rounds.

Fallujah suffered extensive damage to residences, mosques, city services, and businesses. The city, once referred to as the "City of Mosques", had over 200 pre-battle mosques of which 60 or so were destroyed in the fighting. Many of these mosques had been used as arms caches and weapon strongpoints by Islamist forces. Of the roughly 50,000 buildings in Fallujah, between 7,000 and 10,000 were estimated to have been destroyed in the offensive and from half to two-thirds of the remaining buildings had notable damage.
While the circumstances that lead up to the battle were a magnificent clusterfuck, the actual combat itself was surprisingly bloodless and hilariously lopsided. And the fact the city was actually somewhat intact afterwards is a small miracle in urban warfare.
We all should start thinking why China should be a US rival.

I just don't see any reason for it. Taiwan is a small peanut in reality, not something that China needs for anything other than wasting resources. Ukraina was extreme important part of former Russian Empire/USSR, Taiwan was always at best a shithole of China.

China was never a expansionist empire outside what they have in medival (and now they have nearly all of that lands - only East Manchuria and Taiwan are out of their current state borders).

In case of muh sphere of inluenza (ok, influence) they alse nearly have all of what they have in their golden age (Japan was more like nominal vassal at best in some times, Korea is a small issue - probably China preffer current state of Korea, where they have two hostile towards each other Koreas than another integrated and pretty big state like Vietnam).

Spartly Islets? Yea, small issue, something between worthless of Aksai Chin and NEFA disputed regions. Disputed with India, not US.

I honestly don't see why China should think about replacing US in role of 'policeman of international affairs' - to conquer Africa? They even need to conquer Africa to get african resources or farmland?

I honestly don't see why anyone counts on China-US conflict. If China will truly look for a option to fuck with US we should see some amounts of China support to ruzzia in current war. We see nearly nothing after 13 months of war. They merely exploit this war to take better positions in third world trade (if they give Brasilia yuans, they can be sure as fuck that Brazil will at best something from them).
Middle Kingdom syndrome. China has historically viewed itself as the center of the world, and so long as Europe stayed far away it might as well have been. But a couple wars over trade rights later and it was broken and humbled, and still is. Even by Chinese reckoning of history a full century of getting gangbanged by the rest of the world is a notable event. And now they want to be seen as the center again, especially since the world has expanded beyond just Asia. They want homage paid and their influence felt world-wide.

TL;DR: Chinks mad.
Could be SBU coordinating with local anti-Putin regime elements. If there's a homegrown anti-war insurgency then LOL for Russia. Over in the vatnigger cope cage here on KF they're already blaming the CIA.
Its always lupus the CIA. Always.
True. Even after the soviet Union collapsed the US and Europe looked over their shoulder at the Russian Bear. This war has shown absent nukes, Finland and Sweden can probably take the Russian Federation to the dance and have them pay for it at the end. Never mind what the USA or China could do.
Anyone remember when that Finnish guy joked the biggest issue with taking St. Petersburg would be making sure the Poles didn't get there first?
 
Add to that Singapore letting the US Navy borrow a naval base (there is officially no US base in Singapore), thus cutting off the Straits of Malacca
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Even without Singapore as part of the chain, there is still Thailand, Vietnam, and Malaysia as the southern half of the chain. Thailand as the U.S. still have a few bases there. Vietnam and Malaysia cause China been shit stirring for decades towards them.
 
Even without Singapore as part of the chain, there is still Thailand, Vietnam, and Malaysia as the southern half of the chain. Thailand as the U.S. still have a few bases there. Vietnam and Malaysia cause China been shit stirring for decades towards them.
Vietnam was Chinese clay before the French took it from them in the late 1800's to feel better about themselves after Prussia pushed their shit in. "Decades" is a grand understatement when it comes to the bad blood between those two.
 
Well, I didn't see any your comments when you are so MATI on ruzzkie snownigga crimes. But you are MATIng to the extreme because a shitposter (not a journalist or reporter) was funked to the afterlife.

But probably you can point that you are equaly mad about ruzzkie and ukrainian war crimes, right?
Sure, all warcrimes are bad and all should be prosecuted for it.


Or you can just see that starting a war by ruzzkie was disgusting and unjusted, right?
For now all we have is Putin being charged with deporting Ukrainian children. For some reason the ICC hasn't said a peep about starting a war of aggression as well as turning most of the Eastern Donbass into a lunar landscape.

I personally think that now gives Zelensky an out when it comes to "negotiations" since Putin is a "war criminal" and any dialogue with him would be objectionable.


Just did. Now denounce this.

I'll wait....


So please, go to your copecage.
So either call this out as horrible, or you're just as big a piece of shit as the evil Russians you're supposed to hate.
 
I'll never not find niggas on the fucking farms of all places complaining about Nazis funny. Yeah, lets invade anywhere with Nazis! First target the horrid Nazi Oberst-Gruppenführer by the name of Joshua Connor Moon, better known by his codename 'Null' which was given to him for his declaration that the correct amount of jews is "null".
 
Eh... you fight with the army you have. If there was a prominent, disciplined militia of any other ideology running around, you bet the Ukrainian MoD would love to have them too. But somehow I doubt that commies or anarchists or liberal democrats are going to organize themselves into useful military formations and throw themselves into the fray against Russia.

ISW has posted an update about the milblogger guy
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TLDR
  • He was kinda big for a milblogger, but not really important.
  • Russia blames Ukraine for terrorism, ISW thinks that it's infighting and meant as a warning.
  • ISW thinks this is gonna cause internal political division, because some Russian milbloggers joked about it and others got pissed.
 
The middle part of the song is the Prayer of the Ukrainian Nationalist, and the clip in from a video of Azov reciting it before going to the front in 2015. I have noticed many new songs about the war clipping the old video.


In Azov you must know the Prayer by memory, and the Ideology branch of the Azov movement has been handing out pocket prayers for the frontline soldiers. They have become popular outside of Azov, so they have been sending them to any Brigade soldier that wants them.

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Edit: The Prayer of the Ukrainian Nationalist is also printed on the flag of the 3rd Assault Brigade.
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Here is the video of the flag and the 3rd Assault Brigade saying the prayer.
Azov Regiment becoming un-canceled and having a modern Thermopylae that makes them heroes to the public (while unlike Leonidas, Denys Prokopenko and his several of his men made it out alive) will never not be the most hilarious embarrassment Russia could muster. I can't wait for the wave of big budget movies and video games where Azov is portrayed killing heaps of Donbabwians, Chechens, Russians in the same style Black Hawk down showcased mountains of light bulb heads being fodder to the 75th Rangers and Delta Force.
 
Sure, all warcrimes are bad and all should be prosecuted for it.
And the bombing of Maryupol theatre, msskilling in Butcha and bombing residental buildings by ruzzkie snow niggas was a war crime. Type this slowly, and after that we will dispute how bad is to kill a shitposter who was openly advoating for killing innocent civilians.

This guy was calling for bombing ukrainian residental areas, was proposing to make a film about Butcha to scare of shit from NATO and was a criminal (he was sentenced after robbing a bank in 2011). He just got what he was calling.
So either call this out as horrible
#shitposterslivesmatters or what the hell? Should I also cry for George Floyd?
 
Xi very clearly wanted to sign Vlad up for involuntary organ donation. You can see it In his face.
It's even worse than that. If it was just Putin's organs it would be one thing but Putin wants to make Russia into a Chinese slave nation.
i dont buy it
china has much more pressing issues and much more promising opportunities for expansion elsewhere than in the shithole deserts of north and central asia

in the long term a russo-chinese rivalry is likely, but for now and in the near future the chinese are perfectly fine with leaving russia alone while focusing their own ambitions towards their southern and eastern flanks. russia serving as a distraction that pulls western attention away from east asia is very convenient for them, they have absolutely no interest in complicating the situation by backstabbing russia now.
China doesn't have to do anything to Russia. Russia is in a very bad way politically and economically because of Putin's fail war in Ukraine. All China has to is step in and start stripping Russia of everything and the Russians will give them whatever they want. Russia is desperate to try and get around the sanctions. They already did with the Russian oil. Russia was basically paying the Chinese and Indians to buy their oil.
 
Sweet, more totally "not Nazi" iconography.
This is the Prayer of the Ukrainian Nationalist translated into English.
Nothing about praising Hitler or Total Nigger Death.

If you are talking about the Azov symbol it just means "Idea of the Nation." Literally, the letters I and N stylized into the shape of the Ukrainian Trident. It was created in the 1990's when Ukraine gained its independence. It has nothing to do with the German Wolfsangel.

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- Idea Nation
 
This is the Prayer of the Ukrainian Nationalist translated into English.
Nothing about praising Hitler or Total Nigger Death.

If you are talking about the Azov symbol it just means "Idea of the Nation." Literally, the letters I and N stylized into the shape of the Ukrainian Trident. It was created in the 1990's when Ukraine gained its independence. It has nothing to do with the German Wolfsangel.

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- Idea Nation

Honestly, seeing how the Ukranians have been dealing with faggots LARPing as Solviets and worshipping Stalin since 2014 I see it as natural for Ukraine to adopt iconography that is the antithesis to socialist faggotry. Plus Ukraine has been on a long streak of picking cool looking insignias and heraldry.
 
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