Mar-27-2023 - Chris is out of custody

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The two most relevant parts there are CONVICTED and PRISON
Chris has never been convicted and jail is not prison, a distinction maybe lost on the average poster but not on the Legal System.
Legallly, as written, there is nothing that cuts off or invalidates the Tards Tugboat as of yet, Habeus Corpus violating 2 year imprisonment without trial doesn't cut it.
"No well jail or prison it's all the same pokey to me also the government should take all chris's money and rape chris and dig up patty's bones and rape them in front of chris at the same time, die chris die" - every ween in this thread
 
If it really is true that Barb consented(or just said she did) then this is probably what will happen. How would she justify a restraining order to the court? And there are rules for evicting people too so she couldn't just throw him out(unless going to jail changes that).
It may depend on whether the state finds Barbara Chandler of sound mind enough to make any such decisions. If a medical exam comes back with a diagnosis of dementia, senility, or sufficient cognitive impairment, it could make that consent given invalid.
 
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It may depend on whether the state finds Barbara Chandler of sound mind enough to make any such decisions. If a medical exam comes back with a diagnosis of dementia, senility, or sufficient cognitive impairment, it could make that consent given invalid.
Yeah, I'm still waiting on that medical report.

Boy they're sure taking a long time.
 
All I know is that if my man is truly free, he's got a new sonic movie and video games to return to. Dude hasn't been able to touch his weird media in a year and a half, imagine returning to your favorite shit after that long of a time. Bro is probably the happiest he's ever been right now.
Take a look at his most recent mugshot. He is drained of any emotion, I seriously doubt he will be enjoying anything.
 
The two most relevant parts there are CONVICTED and PRISON
Chris has never been convicted and jail is not prison, a distinction maybe lost on the average poster but not on the Legal System.
Legallly, as written, there is nothing that cuts off or invalidates the Tards Tugboat as of yet, Habeus Corpus violating 2 year imprisonment without trial doesn't cut it.
It doesn't matter how it's worded. Nobody is keeping their social security payments while they're imprisoned. Every time a person gets arrested, it gets reported to the various agencies. I've known people who have had to make phone calls to get their ssdi payments to resume because they were arrested, not even for an entire month, just arrested and jailed for a few weeks. They do the same thing for Medicaid. They'll suspend your Medicaid coverage while you are in jail. I'm not arguing, I know how this works. I guarantee he wasn't getting his ssdi while he was in jail. That's all there is to say.
 
It doesn't matter how it's worded. Nobody is keeping their social security payments while they're imprisoned. Every time a person gets arrested, it gets reported to the various agencies. I've known people who have had to make phone calls to get their ssdi payments to resume because they were arrested, not even for an entire month, just arrested and jailed for a few weeks. They do the same thing for Medicaid. They'll suspend your Medicaid coverage while you are in jail. I'm not arguing, I know how this works. I guarantee he wasn't getting his ssdi while he was in jail. That's all there is to say.
You apparently know people dumber than Chris because this is not how it works.
 
It may depend on whether the state finds Barbara Chandler of sound mind enough to make any such decisions. If a medical exam comes back with a diagnosis of dementia, senility, or sufficient cognitive impairment, it could make that consent given invalid.
Any test like that would've had to be done right after chris was arrested or the defense would argue that her condition got worse over time, so if she was deemed too impaired to consent then they should have pressed rape charges back before the case was sealed. Beside that I doubt they'd be able to just let her live alone without any one to help. Wouldn't they also be required to put her in some kind of assisted living situation?
 

Will I lose my Social Security benefits while I am in jail or prison?​

It depends on how long you are incarcerated and what type of benefits you have.

SSDI
—If you will be in jail or prison for 30 days or more, your SSDI benefits will be suspended. Social Security will not end your benefits. They are just suspended. You will not get checks while you are in jail or prison, but you will not have to reapply when you get out.

*If your spouse or children get SSDI payments on your Social Security account, their checks do not stop.
SSI—If you will be in jail or prison for one full calendar month or more, your SSI benefits will be suspended. You will not get checks while you are in jail or prison.

If you are in jail or prison for 12 full months in a row, your SSI will end. In that case, you will have to file a new application to get your benefits back. You will have to prove again that you have a disability and a low income.

Less than 30 days30 days or more12 or more months
SSDIBenefits not suspendedBenefits suspendedBenefits suspended
SSIYou can still get SSIBenefits suspendedBenefits ended
Medicaid / Apple HealthCan stay on or enroll.Benefits pausedBenefits paused
 
Any test like that would've had to be done right after chris was arrested or the defense would argue that her condition got worse over time, so if she was deemed too impaired to consent then they should have pressed rape charges back before the case was sealed. Beside that I doubt they'd be able to just let her live alone without any one to help. Wouldn't they also be required to put her in some kind of assisted living situation?
They may have pawned her off onto next-of-kin, rather than use state resources. In one of the prison letters, Chris says after suffering a car accident, Barbara was being cared for by family members.
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Not sure if Chris can be considered trustworthy, & this was one & a half years ago. Additional evidence would be needed to confirm Barbara is still living with them, being treated for anything, etc..
 
All I know is that if my man is truly free, he's got a new sonic movie and video games to return to. Dude hasn't been able to touch his weird media in a year and a half, imagine returning to your favorite shit after that long of a time. Bro is probably the happiest he's ever been right now.
Really? Remember even assuming he's at gateway homes right now, it's not like they're gonna say "hey Chris let's go to gamestop so you can get a new switch to play the new sonic game. Or even rent the movie off youtube. If gateway let's it's residents watch tv chances are Chris won't be allowed to watch any till after he's no longer considered a suspect in a criminal case.


The first week will be resting up amd learning the rules and how strict they are enforced especially for residents like him. The second will no doubt be spent putting him to work maybe in the laundry, maybe the cafeteria washing dishes, but they're gonna put him to work sooner or later.
 
The first week will be resting up amd learning the rules and how strict they are enforced especially for residents like him. The second will no doubt be spent putting him to work maybe in the laundry, maybe the cafeteria washing dishes, but they're gonna put him to work sooner or later.
Chris is used to his own routine. He would probably not like adjusting it to other people's directions. It will be like working at Wendy's again and Chris is going to have a huge spurg out.
 
Chris is used to his own routine. He would probably not like adjusting it to other people's directions. It will be like working at Wendy's again and Chris is going to have a huge spurg out.
Then they will just have to stuff him with pills to shut him up. They deal with people far worse and violent than him.
 
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Will I lose my Social Security benefits while I am in jail or prison?​

It depends on how long you are incarcerated and what type of benefits you have.

SSDI
—If you will be in jail or prison for 30 days or more, your SSDI benefits will be suspended. Social Security will not end your benefits. They are just suspended. You will not get checks while you are in jail or prison, but you will not have to reapply when you get out.


SSI—If you will be in jail or prison for one full calendar month or more, your SSI benefits will be suspended. You will not get checks while you are in jail or prison.

If you are in jail or prison for 12 full months in a row, your SSI will end. In that case, you will have to file a new application to get your benefits back. You will have to prove again that you have a disability and a low income.

Less than 30 days30 days or more12 or more months
SSDIBenefits not suspendedBenefits suspendedBenefits suspended
SSIYou can still get SSIBenefits suspendedBenefits ended
Medicaid / Apple HealthCan stay on or enroll.Benefits pausedBenefits paused
Cite?

"Q: What happens to SSDI benefits when a person is incarcerated?
A: SSDI recipients are eligible to continue receiving benefits until they are convicted of a criminal offense and are confined for more than 30 continuous days. After that time, their benefits are suspended. Benefits can be reinstated the month following their release into the community. Once released, individuals should contact their local Social Security office with official release papers and request that benefits be reinstated. No specific reinstatement forms are needed beyond release papers from the institution. If they are in jail awaiting trial, SSDI will continue until they are convicted."


ALL of the language from SSA about incarceration is predicated on CONVICTION.

This is not an official publication, but it is the consistently provided advice:

"Will you lose your benefits if arrested?

If you’re arrested, odds are you’ll have a lot on your mind. Can you afford an attorney? Will you go to jail? How long will you go to jail for? What will your family do while you are in jail? Unfortunately, you’ll also need to worry about your SSDI benefits. However, even if arrested, your benefits may not stop.

Arrested does not necessarily mean convicted.

This means that if you’ve been arrested for something that you have not done — and you are cleared of all charges, then you will not have to worry about losing your benefits. It doesn’t matter how long you are in jail following your arrest. If not convicted, your SSDI benefits will remain intact."

(emphasis mine)


ETA:
From the Congressional Research Service publication:

Are Benefits Paid to an Individual Who Is Incarcerated?
Stated generally, Social Security benefits are suspended when (1) a beneficiary is convicted of a criminal offense and sentenced to a period of confinement in a correctional facility or institution and (2) based on that conviction the beneficiary remains confined in a U.S. correctional facility or institution for more than 30 continuous days. See SSA’s Program Operations Manual System (POMS), Section GN 02607.160: Title II Prisoner Suspension Provisions, at https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0202607160.
Social Security benefits are not suspended if a beneficiary is in custody at a correctional institution while awaiting trial. Conviction must occur before an individual’s benefits are suspended. See SSA’s POMS, Section GN 02607.200: Special Legal Considerations for Prisoner Suspensions, at https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0202607200.
Specific circumstances of confinement resulting in the suspension of benefits are outlined in the Social Security Act. In part, Section 202(x)(1)(A) of the Social Security Act states that, with respect to periods of confinement for more than 30 continuous days, no monthly Social Security benefits shall be paid to individuals who are
confined in a jail, prison, or other penal institution or correctional facility pursuant to his [or her] conviction of a criminal offense,
confined
by court order in an institution at public expense in connection with—
a verdict or finding
that the individual is guilty but insane, with respect to a criminal offense,
a verdict or finding that the individual is not guilty of such an offense by reason of insanity,
a finding that such individual is incompetent to stand trial under an allegation of such an offense, or
a similar verdict or finding with respect to such an offense based on similar factors (such as a mental disease, a mental defect, or mental incompetence), [or]
immediately upon completion of confinement as described in [the first condition above] pursuant to conviction of a criminal offense an element of which is sexual activity, is confined by court order in an institution at public expense pursuant to a finding that the individual is a sexually dangerous person or a sexual predator or a similar finding[.]
Section 202(x) of the Social Security Act (Limitation on Payments to Prisoners, Certain Other Inmates of Publicly Funded Institutions, Fugitives, Probationers, and Parolees) is at https://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title02/0202.htm. See also Title 42, Section 402(x), of the U.S. Code.
Section 204(a)(1)(B)(ii) of the Social Security Act prohibits the payment of any retroactive Social Security benefits to incarcerated individuals. Section 204 of the Social Security Act (Overpayments and Underpayments) is at https://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title02/0204.htm. See also Title 42, Section 404, of the U.S. Code."


The cited language in the Act all refers to findings and convictions. The one possible issue is whether a deferral/diversion scenario that is oriented around autism would be treated as a "verdict or finding with respect to such an offense based on similar factors (such as a mental disease, a mental defect, or mental incompetence)." In a typical diversion scenario, you are literally diverted from prosecution, so there is no verdict other than "dismissed" once you have completed the agreed requirements for your participation in the diversion program. That is the whole point - so someone does not end up with a conviction. Moreover, the language preceding/around this subsection still suggests a final resolution through a legal process, not a decision not to prosecute.

For nerds, relevant section of the SSA I'm referring to is sec. 202(x)(1)(A)(ii)(IV).

Final edit:

From the SSA program manual:

Program Operations Manual System (POMS)​

TN 3 (02-02)​

GN 02607.200 Special Legal Considerations For Prisoner Suspensions​

A. Policy - Circumstances Of The Judicial Process Requiring Special Consideration​

1. Trial Pending​

Do not suspend benefits while the beneficiary is awaiting trial. Conviction must occur before benefits are suspended.
 
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They may have pawned her off onto next-of-kin, rather than use state resources. In one of the prison letters, Chris says after suffering a car accident, Barbara was being cared for by family members.
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Not sure if Chris can be considered trustworthy, & this was one & a half years ago. Additional evidence would be needed to confirm Barbara is still living with them, being treated for anything, etc..
Chris' stuff was being thrown out not long after the accident, so she was most likely being cared for. I highly doubt she would throw his shit out herself.
 
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