Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Oryx is a Brellingcat offshoot and they're all Britbong glowniggers
Didn't know that about Oryx but it's been known by anyone with more than three braincells that Bellingcat stinks to high heaven, given that they've spent the entire Syrian Civil War doing nothing but laundering British glownigger bullshit under a guise of "investigative journalism/OSINT", all done by a fat SomethingAwful goon literally living in his parent's basement. Altho I suppose the glowies compensate him well and he has moved out finally.
 
Worse, Russia is turning liabilities into assets by yanking prisoners with 20-30 year sentences and hurling them into the grinder via Wagner, while Ukraine is conscripting the core demographic of 16-48 year olds and squandering them in a battle that is well noted to be organized to be advantageous to Russia's strength in artillery. The preoccupation with Bakhmut has started unraveling more important places on the line like Avdiivka which is slowly getting encircled. The situation is getting extremely grim for Ukraine, they're going to be neutralized by force solely because there wont be anyone left to lift a rifle.

Wagner has paused prisoner recruitment for the time being, but recruiting prisoners is actually extremely smart if you think about it for more than a couple seconds, something faggot westoids are incapable of doing.
  1. You get to recruit many of the baddest people in your society, men who pre-training are already comfortable with killing. The biggest part of a soldier's training isn't regarding fitness or skill, but the "breaking down and rebuilding" of the ego of the soldier to turn them from a normal guy into one who will run into active fire and slaughter a bunch of the enemy at close-range without hesitating. Violent convicts are already desensitized to killing.
  2. It saves taxpayer money - the govt would have to pay to keep them in prison otherwise.
  3. It actually saves lives, in a strange way. As Wagner themselves would put it, "Who would you rather die? A convict with a life sentence, or your son when he gets conscripted?"
Penal Military Units are not a new thing whatsoever, the westoid seethe here is just usual "my side good, your side bad" partisan coping. Ukraine did the exact same thing right at the start of the war (L|A), which, unlike Wagner, allowed sex offenders to join their ranks. One of Ukraine's top serial child-rapists and pedophiles, having been released to join the UAF five years after sentencing, was killed in battle just last week.

Westoids love to seethe about Wagner (prisoners or no) because they are incredibly successful, Prigozhin loves to shitpost and troll, and they market themselves really well solidifying their brand through their (actually pretty great) music.

Meanwhile they pacify and rebuild the annexed regions so that these people will never want to be a part of the Ukraine again.
This is something the US has never learned. If you bomb a city/country into rubble to "liberate" it from its oppressors, then desert it and leave it in ruins, the people there are going to hate you just as much as they did their former rulers. You have to take care of them if you want their loyalty. This was what every country used to do; the British especially would spend obscene amounts of money on infrastructure after invading and taking over new overseas territories/colonies to ensure the native population would choose to side with them if the French/Germans/Portuguese/Belgians ever tried to invade themselves.
 
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Cover of the Turkish publication: the happy pope.
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Wagner has paused prisoner recruitment for the time being, but recruiting prisoners is actually extremely smart if you think about it for more than a couple seconds, something faggot westoids are incapable of doing.
There are two obvious objective problems with prisoner recruitment:

1) First, motivation; why fight when you can just surrender and possibly get your freedom or be exchanged and just end up back in prison with nothing to lose. Well, Sledgehammer addressed this problem with one such individual, and Prigozhin made it clear that by agreeing to serve, surrender is not an option.

2) Problems in civilian life; you train chaotic people who have already committed a crime, and the crime serious enough to get a prison sentence, the abolition of which would justify serving in the Wagner. There have already been a couple of cases of former prisoners who came back from the front and started brawls in Russia, so it is difficult to say whether this will lead to large-scale problems.
 
I can believe that the hohols are missing 300k men with kia/mia/awol added up.

Any hohol with sense or means got to Autismland, I mean Poland, or Hungary or Romania if they could.

Estimations range from 1 to 8 million fled.

Hungary has seen around 1.5 to 2 million, though most go to the west for gibs.

I have personally seen men run and take cheap labour jobs, it sure as hell beats getting shot at by the red army.
 
A good reason for Russia to not be fighting this war at it's full capacity is because this is a political war. If they go all out for a faster win then NATO will chip in more resources and retaliate harder, but if you keep it a slow grind then it gets harder for NATO to justify significant resources and manpower, weapons, and public favor for the war gets ground down to nothing, leading to an embarrassment for the US-Lead empire that convinces more countries to join the BRICS trade block. I think this may be a lesson Russia learned the hard way where at the start of the war they tried for a quick and easy win, only to be dramatically pushed back once Ukraine signed up for military welfare.
There's that, and time is on Russia's side. The US economy is death spiraling and if it goes, most likely the entire economy of NATO goes.
 
There's that, and time is on Russia's side. The US economy is death spiraling and if it goes, most likely the entire economy of NATO goes.
Is it really though? I honestly feel like the FedGov can keep their magic money printer going indefinitely because it sure looks like it isn't stopping now, against any rational reasons.
 
Is it really though? I honestly feel like the FedGov can keep their magic money printer going indefinitely because it sure looks like it isn't stopping now, against any rational reasons.
Well, it looked like the music would never stop in 2007 too, and the fundamentals of the economy are a lot worse now. It just takes one big enough shock to make everyone realize it.
 
Is it really though? I honestly feel like the FedGov can keep their magic money printer going indefinitely because it sure looks like it isn't stopping now, against any rational reasons.
It's one of those things where a lot of other nations have had a vested interests in making sure the dollar doesn't go tits up even if they didn't particularly like the US. They would have needed to make major moves to make sure that when the dollar collapsed, their economy wouldn't collapse along side of it. This international overreach by the US has prompted pretty much all of those nations to start making moves away from dollar dependency which has in turn forced nations like Brazil who's current leadership does like the American hegemony to start doing the same out of simple self preservation. It's basically turning into a run on the banks, just on a much larger scale. That being said, it takes a long time for so many economic pieces to move, but there is a certain breaking point where it all comes down very rapidly.
 
Well, it looked like the music would never stop in 2007 too, and the fundamentals of the economy are a lot worse now. It just takes one big enough shock to make everyone realize it.
It's been this way since Covid; least that is as far as I can remember. As a commodities and stock trader, so much as a fart from the wrong person could send a company's price plummeting many percentages; however, if the fundamentals of the company remain rock solid, there is a greater than 50/50 chance that you will come out of draw down safe and sound. Sure it is bad now, but really, this is just an opportunity to create more generational wealth as it is short term and in 10 years time I'm betting we'll be bouncing beyond all time highs. It's the volatility before the move, we just gotta grit and bear through it like we've done in the 00's and 09's, well grit and slowly buy discounted companies ala Berkshire; value is value and America isn't short of it.

You know what else doesn't appear to run out, Russian forces. I wonder if Putin is like "hmm, we have 850K soldiers. I'll sacrifice 30% over several years until the war is won."
 
Is it really though? I honestly feel like the FedGov can keep their magic money printer going indefinitely because it sure looks like it isn't stopping now, against any rational reasons.
The Fed isn't being irrational, but it's painted itself into a corner. 14 years of banks getting money for nothing means that there's entire sectors of the economy propped by by venture capital gambling- why do you think the writing was on the wall for Silicon Valley Bank when interest rates were raised the the historically modest 4.5%? It can keep interest rates low and inflation keeps rolling, or it can raise them and collapse significant chunks of the economy. For all people talk about China's economy being fake and gay, America's is at least as bad.
 
The Fed isn't being irrational, but it's painted itself into a corner. 14 years of banks getting money for nothing means that there's entire sectors of the economy propped by by venture capital gambling- why do you think the writing was on the wall for Silicon Valley Bank when interest rates were raised the the historically modest 4.5%? It can keep interest rates low and inflation keeps rolling, or it can raise them and collapse significant chunks of the economy. For all people talk about China's economy being fake and gay, America's is at least as bad.
And the healthiest, long term move for us as a nation and an economy would be to just let the rot fucking burn. But unfortunately those VC oligarchs that made their fortunes by way of Fed money-printing arbitrage are also now key political financiers and social movers and shakers and they aren't going to let the game stop any time soon if they can help it.
 
I can believe that the hohols are missing 300k men with kia/mia/awol added up.

Any hohol with sense or means got to Autismland, I mean Poland, or Hungary or Romania if they could.

Estimations range from 1 to 8 million fled.

Hungary has seen around 1.5 to 2 million, though most go to the west for gibs.

I have personally seen men run and take cheap labour jobs, it sure as hell beats getting shot at by the red army.
Yesterday there a segment on the news about Ukro police vanning some paramedics who were smuggling dudes out of the country. They were taking like $3k per dude to get them past checkpoints so it can't be that easy to leave anymore. link
 
Sunday, April 9: Update from the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the Special Military Operation in the Ukraine

◻️In Donetsk direction, the Yug Group of Forces, Operational-Tactical Aviation, and artillery have eliminated over 250 Ukrainian troops, one tank, three armoured fighting vehicles, nine motor vehicles, Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, and Msta-B and D-20 howitzers over the past 24 hours.

💥 Ammunition depots of the 102nd Territorial Defence Brigade and 72nd Mechanised Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been hit close to Orekhov (Zaporozhye region) and Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic).

📹 Russian Defence Ministry shows Niobium radar in action within the special military operation.

🎖Lieutenant General Valery Solodchuk awards paratroopers for the acts of courage, bravery, and selflessness during the special military operation.

🔎 Air Defence Force marks its professional day.

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Based on this update, it appears that NATOkrainian forces got seriously fucked up over the past 24 hours.
 
For all their faults, the Chinks DO have industrial infrastructure and make actual things. As far as I can tell, all we do in the US anymore is bundle debt into more and more abstract "financial products".
We still have industry and still make things. But unfortunately it's almost all very specialized, and its part as a share of the economy as a whole is very small compared to the "service economy" which all the smart people said us transitioning to 30 years ago would make us much more wealthier and more competitive on the global stage (spoiler: they were lying).
 
Is it really though? I honestly feel like the FedGov can keep their magic money printer going indefinitely because it sure looks like it isn't stopping now, against any rational reasons.
Not now.

By like 2030? That's more realistic. Printing money means nothing when everyone moved onto the Yuan or there are multiple currencies vying to be top dog.
 
Update from last Monday, including updates later that Monday and Tuesday.

Update in the Invasion - April 9th 2023​

Summary​

  • The Russian forces have captured most of Central Bakhmut via the Wagner Group PMC and the Russian Airborne Forces (VDV; Vozdushno-Desantnye Voyska) with almost another half of land captured in less than a week, with there being only one pocket of Central Bakhmut still garrisoned by the AFU. The AFU however still has a little fight in them and manage to capture and recapture some positions in Bakhmut and other fronts.

Russian Command Groups​

Russian Armed Forces​

Don't focus on the meaning of the names too much; the names of the Russian command groups don't corroborate with their actual locations and directions.
  • Zapad (Запад, West; controls the Russian Armed Forces at the Kupyansk Front in Kharkhiv Oblast)
  • Tsentr (Центр, Center; controls the Russian Armed Forces at the Kreminna Front in Luhansk Oblast/northern Donetsk Oblast)
  • Yug (Юг, South; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Bakhmut and Andiivka/North Donetsk) - the most competent and efficient of the five, including the most elite of the Armed Forces, the Russian Airborne Forces (VDV; Vozdushno-Desantnye Voyska)
  • Vostok (Восток, East; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Zaporizhzhya Oblast, Vuhledar, and South Donetsk)
  • Dnipro (Днепр; Dnieper River; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Kherson Oblast)

Private Military Companies​

  • Wagner Group (operates in and around Bakhmut in Donetsk Oblast and Zaporizhzhya Oblast)
  • Konvoy (operates in Kherson Oblast)

Bakhmut, Donetsk Oblast​

  • Prioritizing capturing Bakhmut proper instead of encirclement due to supposed Ukrainian counter-offensive planning to happen in the region, Wagner PMC units and the VDV of the Russian Armed Forces under Yug command (I made a mistake of not mentioning them previously as they fought alongside Wagner in storming central Bakhmut since I just learned of their involvement) are quickly capturing the rest of Central Bakhmut, storming numerous positions to the point that the AFU are withdrawing to West Bakhmut.
  • Wagnerites and the VDV have captured the Bakhmut Multidisciplinary Intensive Care Hospital and two city blocks and have reached the Artemivsk Penitentiary (No. 6), which borders the railway. In addition, they have also captured the remaining blocks south of Bakhmutska Street. (1)
  • Russian forces have then made a partial encirclement of Metallurg Stadium in the west with minor advances that had has captured a block or so, and engaged with AFU units in the commercial buildings on B. Gorbatova Street next to Bakhmut Railway Station (2). As a result, the AFU was forced to withdraw from Metallurg Stadium to escape encirclement, allowing Wagner and VDV forces to pour into the stadium. (3) In addition, in Northwest Bakhmut, Wagner and the VDV manages to flank Rose Alley, a plaza, from the west and captured several buildings south of the Alley. (3)
  • Following this, Wagner PMCs and VDV paratroopers made minor yet significant advances, capturing a block towards the police station as well as the commercial area around B. Gorbatova Street and a block in the shape of a triangle alongside the railway to create another cauldron (partial encirclement) around Avengard Stadium. (4) Realizing how desperate their situation is, the AFU has withdrawn to pockets adjacent to the railway in Central Bakhmut westwards, ceding Avengard Stadium, School No. 7, the police station, and many blocks to the Russians, while occupying nearly encircled areas. (5) Finally, Artemivsk Penitentiary (No. 6) fell to the Russian forces. (6)
  • With the AFU distracted in withdrawing and fighting the Russian forces in Central Bakhmut, Wagner PMC and VDV units stormed Southwest Bakhmut, and not only took over School No 2 & No 40 & post office, but also the fortified high-rises in the corner (the plaza with the destroyed MiG monument) that overlooks Chaikovskoho Street, also known as T0504, an important throughfare through West Bakhmut and also the supply line the AFU uses that connects to the western suburb of Ivanivske. (7) One of the final pockets of AFU resistance to the Russians, the area north of the police station, was taken by the Russians. (8 )
  • However, in the following day, the AFU launched a series of counter-attacks that managed to recapture all the lost territory in Southwest Bakhmut that day: the high buildings adjacent to Chaikovskoho street, the Postal Office, and School No. 40. In addition, they are able to recapture School No 7 and advanced towards the now Russian-held Avangard stadium. (9) I can presume that some elite units of the AFU is in West Bakhmut.
  • Were the corner area in Southwest Bakhmut to be captured, the AFU can no longer use the T0504 as a supply route and is now forced to use supply routes on the muddy O0506 road, which has been the Road of Death due to numerous destroyed civil and military vehicles used by the AFU.
Central Bakhmut
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Southwest Bakhmut
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Other fronts​

Andiivka, Donetsk Oblast​

  • Russian Armed Forces under Yug command and the Donetsk People's Republic militia have made a minor advance in expanding the buffer zone around Novobakhmutivka, a village north of the AFU stronghold of Andiivka. A couple kilometers east, the AFU has launched a successful minor counter-offensive that captured some positions north of Russian-held Novoselivka.
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Kreminna Forest, Luhansk Oblast​

  • The AFU has launched a successful minor counter-offensive that recaptured lost positions from the Russian Armed Forces under Tsentr Command, making the frontline the same as it was back in November 2022.
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Sources​

Weeb Union​

DPA​

Other interesting stuff​

Mariupol Reconstruction Efforts (Wholesome Russian Propaganda)​

MARIUPOL 2023: SHOPS, STREETS IN RUSSIAN CONTROLLED CITY​

Archive - MARIUPOL 2023: SHOPS, STREETS IN RUSSIAN CONTROLLED CITY

MARIUPOL LEFT BANK today The restoration and Life of the city 7.04.23​

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Reliable Sources for Updates​

Reporters​

Ministries of Defense​

Off-topic​

Lol, I lied​

Won't be free for the next week or so to post updates, so no updates until at best next Saturday; I will most likely just do some casual posting on the Farms during this timeframe.
Okay, not really. I'm in my vacation right now across the planet and I thought I would have garbage wifi and would use up all my time in sightseeing places and eating out. Turns out that when you're across the planet, you're jet-lagged the heck out and as a result, I spend my nights not sleeping and doing nothing. Might as well churn up an update. Or maybe I am just autistic that I'm obsessed with the Invasion.

Wagner Prisoners​

Wagner has paused prisoner recruitment for the time being, but recruiting prisoners is actually extremely smart if you think about it for more than a couple seconds, something faggot westoids are incapable of doing.
There are two obvious objective problems with prisoner recruitment:
I heard that Prigozhin in an interview (I think it was the one with WarGonzo) was disappointed in the performance of the prisoners recruited by Wagner because the prisoners did not enjoy working together with other Wagnerites (teamwork is essential for their survival) and always kept stealing ammunition.

Annexation plans​

People like that typically believe the narrative that Putin wants all of Ukraine, which is patently false. He most doesn't want Western Ukraine for sure, which is very hostile to Russia and would probably be difficult if impossible to integrate.
It was at a point that annexing Ukraine was not Russia's plan, but now? With Russia putting in all the cards and having a moment where it actually feared getting balkanized, Russia at this point will just go for annexation of most of Ukraine to make up for all its losses and humiliation that they suffered. They will now want Odessa, Nikopol, Kherson, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhye, Chernigov, Sumy, and Kiev. Why? Because that is where all the Russians (or Russian-speaking/cultured Ukrainians) in Ukraine are.
 
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@102 I'd like to respectfully add something to your list of points about Wagner's recruitment of prisoners. That thing being redemption. Some people in prison are there because they've got some bad wiring. But some people are just there because they started or ended up on a bad path. People who were born at the bottom and felt excluded from the life other people were living. And some just took a bad turn. Even those who do have some inherent issues it's often exacerbated by their circumstances. Wagner doesn't just let them out and give them a pittance of money. It tells them that if they do die, they'll be buried as heroes alongside regular soldiers, it tells them if they live their slate can be wiped clean and they can start again in life. I've seen video of a journalist interviewing one of them and when the journalist asked "what were you in prison for" the guys fellow squad mates leap in and tell the journalist "it doesn't matter. He's risking his life for our country. The past is the past."

I've a little experience with feeling like I screwed up my life and with feeling like others see me as irredeemable. So I guess I just want to highlight that the chance to be accepted and told you have a second chance at life, can be a powerful inducement for a lot of people. And I don't necessarily view that as exploitation just in case it reads that way - a fresh start and acceptance. There's a lot of prisoners who are fully willing to take that deal I would bet, who go in knowing the risks but want another chance at life.
 
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