Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[2138_1255]

Thanks 4 making this thread. As someone who was involved in the trans community for a long time this stuff weighs on my mind a lot.

I think the thing that turned me off of the ideology for good was the realisation that these people follow a different set of rules to everyone else. The core difference between troons and actual minority groups is that transgender is something you voluntarily BECOME, rather than something you naturally ARE. For example, gay people are exclusively attracted to the same sex. This is an easily observable fact. Troons have no equivalent to this - at best they can only describe a nebulous feeling of "dysphoria" which could just as easily be caused by a whole host of mental illnesses (depression, BDD, etc). This makes it unfeasible to enforce any sort of restriction on who is and isn't trans; since it's an impossible-to-disprove mental construct, anyone who claims to be transgender has no more or less reason to be considered as such than anyone else.

It's impossible for a "true" trans person to exist because troonism is, by its very nature, impossible to define. It's a specially protected group which is open to anyone. This is how the movement spreads - by promising a sense of belonging to those alienated by modern society, a sense of identity to insecure young people, an easy way for narcissists to protect their ego, and a space for the truly depraved to realise their sick fetishes, all the while being congratulated for their "strength" and "bravery" by people who should really know better. It turns people into useful idiots who care more about their imaginary culture war/fantasy world than the very real problems we as a society face.

My question is: how did we get here? It honestly feels like the sane people have been confined to the hidden corners of the internet while this ideology is allowed to spread unchecked.

Literally hijacking everything worthwhile that the civil-rights movement brought our society, as the "trans movement" has, is a slap in the face of genuine civil-rights victims, and a mockery of the legislation designed to help them. As you correctly note, behaviors and lifestyle-choices don't rise to the level of "immutable characteristics" that merit protected-class status. The pretense of these Gender-Cosplayers™ should have been laughed out of the first courtroom where it appeared.

That it wasn't, speaks poorly for the future of the rule of law in general.

 

[poopshoes]

This is gonna sound like it's doomposting, but here goes.

If I remember right, currently younger millennial and especially zoomer women are the ones trooning out at an alarming rate. Mostly due to a cross of abuse, oversexualization in our society frightening them, and on their own blame, pornsickness.

The latter part is relevant to this thought - the internet as a whole knows of the concept of the femcel as parallel to the incel, but they're a blip compared to the latter. But once troonery inevitably runs its course and we're stuck with all the trannies who got lied to and chopped themselves up, I can really see "femcels" take off as a thing when these TIFs - and TIFs already make up the vast majority of detransitioners, remember! - cannot for the life of them find any man willing to date them or even fuck them with their mutilated bodies, and all the worse as they get older and hit the wall as women are wont to do, like it or lump it. We already have so many millennials of both sexes now having trouble dating in terms of a simple lack of social skills and/or isolation that I suspect will stay for life, there's a news article floating around stating that forty-five or fifty percent or so of adult women will be single by the end of the decade, and all that'll only compound this hypothetical wave of sex-and-affection-starved TIFs.

Now I'll be fair and say that society usually finds men more expendable or way harder to care about, like it or lump it, and so is part of why you find incels as a thing being left in the lurch (rightly or wrongly, usually the former). But it's definitely a troubled society that would find itself a bunch of incels, except they're women! - how badly did it fuck up to get to THAT point, and what's it gonna be like dealing with a horde of angry and desperate women, ones that even likely knew what it was like to get attention or desire pre-transition but never will again? It won't be good, that's for damn sure.

It's because the basic fabric of societal norms has finally been eviscerated. There is no social/moral/religious/philosophical web that holds anything together anymore. In fact, it is the opposite now. A murderous pedophile freak is actually a victim, but the person who defends themselves from said predator is the real killer somehow.

 

[Airbrushed Van Art]

Whenever I see obviously trans or gender blob people in real life, they’re always… odd looking.

Like, even with young people who can more easily “pass”, they’ll always stand out. Taller, fatter, hunched over, weird posture, a few too many piercings, poorly-died hair, ill-fitting, mismatched clothes.

Always something… “off”. Meanwhile most teens look pretty normal to me. Having been a “weirdo” myself as a high school kid, I can somehow tell the ones who are just going through the “phase” and the ones who will always be strange and troubled the rest of their lives.

It’s all kind of sad, really.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

Always something… “off”. Meanwhile most teens look pretty normal to me. Having been a “weirdo” myself as a high school kid, I can somehow tell the ones who are just going through the “phase” and the ones who will always be strange and troubled the rest of their lives.

Other people get this as well? I thought it was just some kind of cursed sixth sense I picked up from spending a lot of time around trannies. They really do give off an indescribable aura. Even if they're friendly there's this deep feeling of unease that comes from interacting with them.

Maybe I'm schizo and/or projecting my hatred for gender nonsense but I dunno. It's almost as if the human brain has some kind of mechanism to pick up on mental illness, because sometimes you see a person and you just know. Shit's weird.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Other people get this as well? I thought it was just some kind of cursed sixth sense I picked up from spending a lot of time around trannies. They really do give off an indescribable aura. Even if they're friendly there's this deep feeling of unease that comes from interacting with them.

Maybe I'm schizo and/or projecting my hatred for gender nonsense but I dunno. It's almost as if the human brain has some kind of mechanism to pick up on mental illness, because sometimes you see a person and you just know. Shit's weird.

Humans are surpisingly good at picking up patterns even if our conscious doesn't pick up on it. Women who have a bad feeling about creepy people are encouraged to keep it because their brain is likely picking up telltale signs of creeps earlier. Your instincts might just pick up on subtle cues the rest of you hasn't yet.

 

[AWizard]

“religion is the opium of the ppl etc.”

Do you know what opium was used for in the past? It was a painkiller. Here's more of the quote:

Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people.

Anyway. Call me crazy, but I think the current trans trend is partially a psy ops on nerds, a group of people who might have had revolutionary thought. I may be overegging the pudding here but it's like a lot of nerds (online at least) were like copyleft types, piracy advocates, free flow of information on the internet, etc and IIRC at lot of them joined in the occupy movement.

Redirecting their energy into defending the establishment has proven useful to the powers that be.

 

[Dr. Funk]

Other people get this as well? I thought it was just some kind of cursed sixth sense I picked up from spending a lot of time around trannies. They really do give off an indescribable aura. Even if they're friendly there's this deep feeling of unease that comes from interacting with them.

Maybe I'm schizo and/or projecting my hatred for gender nonsense but I dunno. It's almost as if the human brain has some kind of mechanism to pick up on mental illness, because sometimes you see a person and you just know. Shit's weird.

Oh there is absolutely a "look" to many mental illnesses, and not just obvious ones like Down Syndrome. Even if it is not as genetically hardwired as Downs, many of these conditions produce consistent patterns of behavior that result in a slovenly unkempt appearance because autists and similar will spend literally all their time hyperfixating on random nerd shit and pay zero attention to keeping up their appearances. Years ago guy at my college once was whigning about how offensive it is to assume someone has autism just based on appearance alone. He was one of the most retarded looking motherfuckers I have ever met in my life who wasn't a full blown Downy and I knew he was a sperg from the first time I saw him in the classroom. Smart guy actually, but absolute bottom of the barrel social skills, textbook high functioning tard.

I don't see much of a disntinction between my sperg radar and my tranny radar these days, and since this gender stuff has become a massive social contagion among autists, there's not much point in making a distinction anyways.

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

For a while now, I have been thinking about the the fundamental contradictions upon that of Transgenderism. Thinking about questions of "how does the transgender mind work". Debating about the ethics, and epistemology of it; promoting an interpretation of the world and the "trans struggle" upon a variant of standpoint theory and how this has been proliferated under what I call "transcentralism" (A world view centralized upon that of being trans). This has happened naturally as I've read through things on the farms. - Unironically the best place to discuss shit like this as firstly it's not manipulated to promote one set of belief but rather takes a more objective approach. Anyone can say anything they want about it here. Sure, if it's retarded enough you'll be laughed at (everyone must know the bees knees quote by now) but this helps promote discussion and promotes openness about shit.

Whilst I do believe there to be a strong link between autism and that of transition (autism can become a cause factor) I do too believe that a significant part of the autistic mind has been forgotten with this playing a key role in why an autist may chose to attempt to transition. To those that are high function autistic they will specifically try to copy the attributes and mannerisms of other people such that they are able to try to fit into society. The idea of "masking" in fundamentally very similar to that of passing. It is specifically focused upon trying to be something else. There is then a key link to which can be attributed to trying to pass; trying to "pass" comes naturally to that of the autist. Though, just becomes the concept comes naturally does not mean it is is successful. There are key nuances to which can be attributed to the other sex which the autist may not pick upon. Now when we are to mix this into puberty whereby dysphoria is generally pretty common during puberty. Autists will go out too search for their community, whereby if they stumble. This causes them to mask less, they get to feel as if they fit in. This then starts a gradual whereby they will be molded by the community they go into discord servers where they get exposed to ideas such as transition. Think of a catboy discord server where they get pinkpilled. This however does not solve all their issues where they may not feel as if they can fit in with groups outside of the real world. Sure, they may have completed a quest for identity which means they don't need to mask but they still will feel dysphoria. Everyone can/does feel dysphoria to a certain degree but with those with autism it is more likely considering the prevalence of anxiety and sensory issues with the condition which may lead to a more difficult experience on the behalf of the autist. Thus, when the pinkpill cures them and settles them down this is only because of how they'll be lovebombed. This really just forms a placebo effect however, but to the autist they feel as if they are accepted and will be love bombed, contrary to popular belief the autist is not heartless. This "utility" ultimately makes them stick with transition, it reinforces their world view. As such, we get what really becomes a domino effect whereby X leads to Y and thus we get Z.

The problems that this individual is being forced to live a lie. Transitioning is really just a bandage, a placebo. It doesn't cure anything. Instead, they blame this conflict on others not being accepting of their differences. It is not the transitioners fault, rather the transphobes. The autist in the real world will not receive the same form of double think as they would online. Remember, they previously had to mask in the real world; this requires effort. It is easier for the autist to mask their autism then it is to pass. This is partly because it is almost impossible to pass as the opposite sex in the real world for numerous reasons. Even the most meticulous autist cannot counter this. Instead, what is more likely is that they'll begin to believe in this girly girl picture based around the media they consume. Vaccines may not cause autism, but autism certainly can cause transition.

Now, this helps to ultimately form a primitive version of my very basic theory of why some autists may transition. They do it because of how society is ultimately leading them on to do it. This, I do believe too also be common upon other groups where this becomes part of a quest for identity. Now, with the autist they'll fixate on it. They will of course blame others when their world view is being challenged. With this, I had wished to really just try to build upon previous discussions and that of the cause. Through skimming through this thread for the word "masking" I have not noticed it come up and yet the concept of masking really forms a core part of being autistic to those that try to fit in. I however, have to admit that this only really forms a subset of autistic transitioners. I believe it is possible with future refinements of this very basic theory that it could come to include the "incel to troon" pipeline but it really is meant to place emphasis on "masking". High functioning autists will try to mimic society. It is entirely possible for them to be similar have the same traits as the AGP or HSTS. This topic is something I hope to revisit later when I begin to start really working on my project about the "contradictory nature of transgender ideology" over the summer (writing and working on stuff outside is nice). I hope to also build this up to a more academic standard with more indepth research and references.

 

[Eden Seeker]

back to trannyposting on farms cuz that's the only reason I'm here, sue me

been hanging out in an MtF chat I've been in and tried having some honest discussions. Obviously don't mention I'm detrans to avoid having my head on a pike, but what I've found is that a lot of the older trans actually share most of the sentiments I've raised: SRS being fucking awful and probably not worth it, puberty blockers being a kind of an insane idea, self-ID being bullshit, etc., while younger people resort to frothmouthingly defend informed consent (in a country that isn't even NEARLY there, smh USA politics roleplayers) and generally posting reddit memes and assuming I'm an industry plant instead of resorting to discussions.

Is it lack of lived experience on the tweens' part? Am I actually just becoming an old regressive fuck who hates how society changes? Y'know, even after coming to my conclusions, it's hard not to feel like "maybe it's not the world which is insane, but instead I do not understand it at all". That, and for every study about how trooning bad there's ten saying it's fine, actually. I understand publishing bias, I understand that lobotomy and cranial measurements were very recently mainstream science too. But it's tough having no one to trust but your gut and a marginalized minority.

Accepting your birth sex doesn't make anyone any money.

Depends on what you mean by accepting, I guess. Dudes will happily buy cars, cigars and guns to prove to themselves how much of a dude they are. B'yeah, of course, there's more to commodify when you feel like you have to buy your way out of not having the perfect chromosomes.
I wish I could introduce my fellow troons to Stoic philosophy sometimes, tbh. People of today generally waste a lot of energy trying to fix problems that are not worth fixing, and that especially stands in case of transition.

What fact is observable about gay people that tells you their gay? Nothing.

I mean, you could clamp some electrodes on his penisand show him images of sweaty bikers. You can measure sexual attraction, or at least close proxies for it. I think we generally have a good idea of what causes gay in men (or at least strongly correlates), too. Interestingly, the same stuff doesn't work on women - they have their own rules for lezzing out, seemingly - which is kinda funny, given the scientific status-quo of "gender and sexuality are unrelated".

Weakness is their virtue.

Ayup. People get mad for saying "it's a fad", like, "what could possibly be gained for putting yourself in such a reviled by society position"? But that's the culture we created by incessantly criticizing privilege and good circumstance - people feel like the way to avoid criticism is to be a poor wiw baby, ideally self-harming/self-destructive in another way.

The idea of "masking" in fundamentally very similar to that of passing. It is specifically focused upon trying to be something else. There is then a key link to which can be attributed to trying to pass; trying to "pass" comes naturally to that of the autist.

Can attest to that, as an autistic tranny. Come tweens, I needed to learn how to pretend to be a man anyway, and pretending to be a woman seemed nicer, at least based on the unrealistic picture of the world I used to have back then.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Can attest to that, as an autistic tranny. Come tweens, I needed to learn how to pretend to be a man anyway, and pretending to be a woman seemed nicer, at least based on the unrealistic picture of the world I used to have back then.

From my observation its tougher for FTMs to learn how to be a man than it is for MTFs to be a woman cause being a man requires a lot more psychological reprogramming and effort than people think it does. For example, men dont show emotion, simple thing which a lot of trannys and woman are trying to redefine into toxic masculinity without understanding why it is like that. It is like that not cause we're scared of emotions or we think its feminine or other stupid shit but its cause emotions are unproductive, they just drive you to become psychologically weak or distracted which in a mans case is the worst thing to do cause the most important function of being a male is productivity and if youre focusing on your fucking feelings or other gay shit the less productive you become. Women dont need to be productive cause theyre basically taken care for either by society or their parents or whoever. So theres a natural biological instinct for men to focus away from emotions cause its not productive same reason why men dont complain cause its a waste of time or unproductive. Pooners cannot learn that intuitively as its certainly not part of biology and they still fundamentally have womanly instincts, they dont have the instinct to be productive and constantly do shit so they cant absorb that aspect of masculinity. Troons can easily imitate women cause its all about letting shit go, having no self restraint, just saying and doing shit without any thought or consequence. In a way sexual psychological differences exist to differentiate natural roles of each sex, men being the hunter gatherer provider and the women being the nurturer cultivator and if one is trying to psychologically get converted to the other, you need to put a ton of effort while in a social setting the psychology of a woman is technically much easier than that of a man biologically. Also probably why women are fleeting and have a lot of traditionally sinful behavior like lust, like jealousy, lying all that cause they dont know intuitively what it means to work for something or earning something. It is also why socialism communism all that shit requires a female mindset cause its essentially wanting power with little to no work, wanting more for less.

 

[Eden Seeker]

From my observation its tougher for FTMs to learn how to be a man than it is for MTFs to be a woman cause being a man requires a lot more psychological reprogramming and effort than people think it does.

It's cause men's strict upbringing concerns his public life, and woman'sstrict upbringing concerns domestic life. For the record, I don't agree with you that "men don't show any emotion" is a good and normal thing for a society to do - it's exactly what pushed me and many others towards troonery, and pushes an additional bunch of men to suicide more directly (or via alcohol assistance). Dunno what it is, maybe all of the recent wars, but it's not good. Old folk guzzles vodka because of it, and young folk guzzles horse piss.

Women dont need to be productive cause theyre basically taken care for either by society or their parents or whoever.

Oh nvm, you be on some incel shit, try regularly talking to a woman for an extended period of time. Modern woman has earned herself the right to be a corporation's slave, but she's still by and large expected to wash the modern man's dirty socks and make sure his diet is more diverse than Twinkies and ramen. Dunno how it is in the U of A, seems like the diet obligation isn't getting fulfilled, though.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Oh nvm, you be on some incel shit, try regularly talking to a woman for an extended period of time. Modern woman has earned herself the right to be a corporation's slave, but she's still by and large expected to wash the modern man's dirty socks and make sure his diet is more diverse than Twinkies and ramen. Dunno how it is in the U of A, seems like the diet obligation isn't getting fulfilled, though.

Im talking about traditionally. Its a biologically conditioned mindset, you know, natural selection and all that jazz. And as much as women are wagie cagies now, I know a lot who are, theyre also the number one category of online ebeggars and thots just so you know.

"men don't show any emotion" is a good and normal thing for a society to do

Again Im not saying its a good thing, Im just saying why it happens and why I do it personally. Its not productive, the more you think about feelings the more they suck you in and the more psychological masturbation happens and you stop doing something productive. Its like the way people say idle mind is a devils workshop or some shit. Emotional faggotry is very addictive, its very very foucaultian, Its good to share with a select few but its not good to focus on them too much.

For the record I wash my own dishes, I wash my own clothes I do all the shit for myself except food for the most part. I dont expect any woman to do it for me if I was in a relationship although I definitely expect fair division of labour.

 

[Eden Seeker]

Im talking about traditionally.

Traditionally, truly traditionally, the woman stays at home cuz she has the kids, and so she takes care of all the at-home stuff. Again, the perception that women have it easy is part of what got us all into this mess. Young men legit listen to enough incel drivel and inject horse piss thinking they'd be pampered for the rest of their lives instead of having to toil.

Its not productive, the more you think about feelings the more they suck you in and the more psychological masturbation happens and you stop doing something productive.

What's the point of thinking about feelings? You're supposed to feel them. Unless they're particularly confused, not much sense pondering how you're joyous, or blue, or grieving. It comes and goes, it's part of life, and it does more harm to a mind stuffed down than lived through.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Again, the perception that women have it easy is part of what got us all into this mess. Young men legit listen to enough incel drivel and inject horse piss thinking they'd be pampered for the rest of their lives instead of having to toil.

Sure not all women dont have it easy but im talking about the psychological mindset. One thing most people dont understand about biological essentialism is its something inescapable and intrinsically part of the person from a biological standpoint. You can choose to reject it but that doesnt mean it stops existing. Unless the woman has internalized a drive to work, the psychology is still anti work inherently, moreso than men. 50-60% of average people are lazy fucks, be it men or women but among that 50-60% im willing to wager that theres a larger margin of women than men. I will agree on the incel drivel, its a product of a culture of weakness.

What's the point of thinking about feelings? You're supposed to feel them. Unless they're particularly confused, not much sense pondering how you're joyous, or blue, or grieving.

Ill give you an example. Say I experience joy, the pattern of thought which comes out of that for me is

"I feel happy"-"should I feel happy?"-"will this happiness last?"-"what will happen if it doesnt last?"-"how long will this last?"-"is it reducing my awareness and keeping me sedated"-"is it good or bad"-"is it healthy?"-"will situation X make me feel the same"-"if this happiness goes away what should I do" -"will someone like/dislike me being happy?"-"why/why not?"-....so on and so forth

Youre a detransitioner, you probably know trans and gay rationalization of stuff like porn addiction, self affirmation, neuroticism, emotional magnification and other addictive tendencies. This is a similar rationalization process of any emotion or emotional effect and if its positive, once its gone therell be a drive to redo it by any means possible cause of the emotional high you had. Its not something I would classify as completely healthy or even productive, at least for me. Its better to put it on a leash and show some restraint, not think about it if possible

 

[Eden Seeker]

"I feel happy"-"should I feel happy?"-"will this happiness last?"-"what will happen if it doesnt last?"-"how long will this last?"

I getcha. What I'mtrying to say is that it's not the problem with feelings, it's the problem with the stuff in us trying to control and repress feelings. And sometimes it's necessary, like when you really wanna take it out on a spouse but it'd ruin your marriage, or when you wanna sob a river but you have kids or urgent matters to take care of. But this kind of pseudo-psychologist rumination is wack, and leads to depression. It's healthy to just cut it off and go do something, absolutely.

This is a similar rationalization process of any emotion or emotional effect and if its positive, once its gone therell be a drive to redo it by any means possible cause of the emotional high you had.

Hate it when a thing makes me genuinely content so I wanna do it more often. Jokes aside, I'd say being aware of your emotions helps differentiate between dopamine high chasing and actual contentment/happiness, rather than felling vaguely good and needing to do more of that shit.

Unless the woman has internalized a drive to work, the psychology is still anti work inherently, moreso than men.

Idk fam. When we talk about biological shit, you gotta consider that none of use is biologically wired for most kind of stuff we consider "work" today. So it's kind of a tenuous claim.

 

[AMHOLIO]

This topic is something I hope to revisit later when I begin to start really working on my project about the "contradictory nature of transgender ideology" over the summer (writing and working on stuff outside is nice). I hope to also build this up to a more academic standard with more indepth research and references.

I'm enjoy this hypothesis. I hope to see your work and such fleshed out in the future.

Is it lack of lived experience on the tweens' part? Am I actually just becoming an old regressive fuck who hates how society changes? Y'know, even after coming to my conclusions, it's hard not to feel like "maybe it's not the world which is insane, but instead I do not understand it at all". That, and for every study about how trooning bad there's ten saying it's fine, actually. I understand publishing bias, I understand that lobotomy and cranial measurements were very recently mainstream science too. But it's tough having no one to trust but your gut and a marginalized minority.

The more we heard something said as fact, the more we want to believe it's true. It's human. Life is just difficult.

A lot more people agree with not being hardcore trans than you think, people just don't talk about it because they don't know they should be arguing. It's not at their doorstep, who cares.

Also probably why women are fleeting and have a lot of traditionally sinful behavior like lust, like jealousy, lying all that cause they dont know intuitively what it means to work for something or earning something. It is also why socialism communism all that shit requires a female mindset cause its essentially wanting power with little to no work, wanting more for less.

lmao what the fuck are you talking about?
If we're being traditional you can say women's main work is taking care of children and domestic life. Before the advent of washing machines, this wasn't as easy as you could guess. Raising children is of course a mountain of a task. So I'm sure they are inherently more lazy because of...? Psychological conditioning? Poor women worked in the field getting you tendies and to this day there's more single moms doing hard work than men because they have the drive to take care of their children. There's old women AND old men who insist on doing their own work because they don't want to feel usesless.

I can't believe women would totally cheat more than men, you opened my eyes. If mobile tor would let me react with anything other than like, you'd be getting a massive amount of trashcans right now.

Unless the woman has internalized a drive to work, the psychology is still anti work inherently, moreso than men. 50-60% of average people are lazy fucks, be it men or women but among that 50-60% im willing to wager that theres a larger margin of women than men.

What gender is the NEET subreddits and 4chan hangouts filled with? Which gender completes more college degrees (and I'd love to fix that because men deserve degrees too)?

I think both genders can be smart and lazy, and I think you're a bizarre motherfucker. Why do females only eat hot chip and lie to you?

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Poor women worked in the field getting you tendies and to this day there's more single moms doing hard work than men because they have the drive to take care of their children. There's old women AND old men who insist on doing their own work because they don't want to feel usesless.

Third world countries, I am from one, most women in my family work. I know this shit. Im talking about the fucking first world pampered hos who e beg online or want handouts to feed their fucking handbag and cosmetic addiction. Even if theyre old, first world grandmas dont usually want to work especially if theyve not worked that much in their life. What youre referring to in the end are senior citizens who were probably part of the GI generation. I dont think women of the hippie generation would generally want to work for something, especially if theyre more liberal.

I can't believe women would totally cheat more than men, you opened my eyes. If mobile tor would let me react with anything other than like, you'd be getting a massive amount of trashcans right now.

Different sources, I get my sources from browsing reddit tinder OF whatever, grassroots sources, you get your sources from government approved research. Theres no sure way of telling which is more true.

What gender is the NEET subreddits and 4chan hangouts filled with? Which gender completes more college degrees (and I'd love to fix that because men deserve degrees too)?

Men are more on NEET subreddits and on 4chan, women complete more college degrees cause they take relatively easier degrees. If they do take a tougher degree they usually do so cause theyre motivated, which is like 1 in 15 women. You should see the amount of women in any of the actual sciences, not social sciences or feminist dance theory. Add to that the whole diversity hire culture and I dont understand how you can make this point, its probably cause you got government approved research sources.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Third world countries, I am from one, most women in my family work. I know this shit. Im talking about the fucking first world pampered hos who e beg online or want handouts to feed their fucking handbag and cosmetic addiction.

Ahh ok, that's much more reasonable, thanks. That's more specific and understandable.

Different sources, I get my sources from browsing reddit tinder OF whatever, grassroots sources, you get your sources from government approved research. Theres no sure way of telling which is more true.

I understand that. In defense of first worlders, there's a lot of normal women who stay the heck off the internet. Online culture can be pozed to shit as can be IRL, but online is a more concentrated dose of attention and insanity because normal people don't post more than memes, photos, and maybe family updates. Twitter especially has that famous statistic of 10% of the people make 80% of all post content since twitter addicts be batshit who can't get the dopamine IRL they need (thus more likely to be mentally ill). And remember that there's a big male to female gender gap in the tinder and other dating apps (women get sent more unrequested dick pics so they're less likely to go on), and a reverse big female to male between OF content creators (straight women just don't buy as much porn as straight men do). The first world is fortunately not a reflection of all IRL first worlders, and likely not even half of all of them either. It's a cartoon of humanity, concentrated crazy rather than a good sample size.

Add to that the whole diversity hire culture and I dont understand how you can make this point, its probably cause you got government approved research sources.

I worked jobs with both men and women willing to work and both men and women too lazy to work, pretty much. I still go to college and see a nice distribution of women in normal majors that may not be STEM a lot of the times but are still useful in the long run like business. You're an on the ground source in the area you're in, as am I for mine. I feel and understand your point but I'll disagree with you on it.

I will say that first worlders are fatter and lazier because they don't want to work as hard, usually due to lazy childhoods. Having parents who spoil kids more tends to lead into that.

 

[teriyakiburns]

men dont show emotion

Man show plenty of emotion, they just don't show it in a stereotypically feminine way. The big issue with contemporary discourse on the whole topic of masculinity is its foundational assumption: That men are broken women. Once you understand this foundation, every criticism of masculinity reforms as a complaint that men don't behave like women. Even aspects of mtf trans issue becomes understandable in this light; men who accept the premise, that they are broken women, try to fix the problem by making themselves into the thing they're told they should be.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

I understand that. In defense of first worlders, there's a lot of normal women who stay the heck off the internet. Online culture can be pozed to shit as can be IRL, but online is a more concentrated dose of attention and insanity because normal people don't post more than memes, photos, and maybe family updates. Twitter especially has that famous statistic of 10% of the people make 80% of all post content since twitter addicts be batshit who can't get the dopamine IRL they need (thus more likely to be mentally ill). And remember that there's a big male to female gender gap in the tinder and other dating apps (women get sent more unrequested dick pics so they're less likely to go on), and a reverse big female to male between OF content creators (straight women just don't buy as much porn as straight men do). The first world is fortunately not a reflection of all IRL first worlders, and likely not even half of all of them either. It's a cartoon of humanity, concentrated crazy rather than a good sample size.

Fair, didnt consider disproportionate sample sizes. My bad.

That men are broken women

No, not really. This easily leads to the effeminization of society agenda which is currently ongoing, where theres an incentive to feminize men to control them better. Its a very bad conclusion.

Even aspects of mtf trans issue becomes understandable in this light; men who accept the premise, that they are broken women, try to fix the problem by making themselves into the thing they're told they should be.

Transgenderism is still largely a social contagion, especially for MTF more than FTM, cause MTF is around 3/4th of trans people while FTM are around 1/4th. There are five types of MTF there are the male feminist politiks ones with internalized misandry and autogynephilia, theres the autists, theres the incels with autogynephilia, theres the gay ones with autogynephilia and theres the actual MTFs. The first four categories are not women, theyre the furthest thing from women, even if they have gender dysphoria its not legitimate and is a result of environmental conditioning. Its like how theres a section of gay people who are gay cause they were sexually assaulted as kids or teens, theyre not legitimately gay. Its astroturfed bullshit. I just dont understand how the emotion shit is good cause Im usually the most productive when I dont think about my emotions at all, same thing for most men in my family or friends. Yes it leads to a bit of burnout but once you learn to handle burnout it ceases to be a problem.