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It's sucks that we truly never get shit like this. Western Animation Has Fallen.
Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)
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(Finally) saw Spider-verse 2 a few hours ago:
I don't feel like doing a big, full review since it's a 2-hour movie and there is a LOT of shit packed in it. I'll just do a (probably spoiler-y) summary.
Minor rant aside, I honestly believe the sequel is only an inch or two underneath the first in my rankings. I'm not a huge fan of how Spot was kind of just ignored after becoming an extradimensional threat and how Miguel's (very reasonable) motivations were sort of shoved into villainy for the sake of a climax- though I do like what that did to Miles and how it emphasized his own flaws (namely him being selfish, impulsive, and disobedient). The "two cakes" thread running along the entire plot was very clever, even if it got a bit obvious at points (the literal two cakes at the roof party) lol.
The animation is a fucking triumph. I don't think that even needs to be said, it's so damn good. The way the worlds change in the most subtle of ways- to portray emotion, to convey unfamiliarity, or just to fuck around with different mediums because that's fun to do- I loved every single second of it and I can't wait to see how they push things even further in the finale-
-even if I think the cliffhanger ending was a total cop-out, and a finale shouldn't need to exist. The fact that ATS was split into two movies has kind of wrecked part 1's pacing a bit- you can tell that it was split in two and not meant to be standalone, as opposed to ITS where (even if it also had an arguable cliffhanger) it stood on its own perfectly well. I probably would've been more okay with the cliffhanger ending if it was cut off just as Prower Miles was revealed, or if it went on for a little longer and left off on Miles about to kick the shit out of him or something. The way it is now just feels like an awkward middle ground that neither built up suspense nor made much sense.
I don't like the soundtrack as much as the first. It's not bad, I just think I like the songs slightly less.
A lot of the issues I have with the movie are like this, just "slightly less" than the original film. The only two big flaws imo were the ending...
...and Peter B. Parker, who really really didn't need to be there. It kind of sucked to see him downgraded so hard and the baby was really annoying. Yes, haha, parents can be really obsessive about their kids, the joke stopped being funny the moment after Peter's child showed up on screen. She was totally superfluous and I'm convinced she's just there to bait for a grown-up version in a sequel/spin-off or merch. The only purpose he has in the entire movie is forcing Miles to get moving again by revealing his location with his watch. I'll admit- the scene was a bit touching, but it could've been easily substituted with the spider-people just finding Miles' location anyways (because they have fucking spidey senses) and nothing of significant value would be lost.
Peter B. should've stayed nonspeaking like the rest of the first film's side cast or shouldn't've showed up at all. The way he is now is just kind of embarrassing and feels like another shitty attempt to emasculate the already-emasculated in a sea full of strong diverse young people (although I'm certain that this film, for once, was more concerned with its narrative than bashing any given race).
The actual narrative was good. I enjoyed the ride wholeheartedly and, even despite the aforementioned pacing issues, I was following along pretty well throughout. I don't think it was as solid as the first's, but that was sort of a given. When you change the concept from "single person meets otherworldly friends and finds out who he is" to "aforementioned person meets hundreds of different versions of himself, learns he's a mistake while fucking up the entire universe twice in a row, and angsts while his girlfriend tries to fix things" a lot of humanity gets lost along the way. I would've preferred less focus on the multiverse and more on Spot/Miles. Keeping things more grounded when things get this high-concept is a must, and I think Spiderverse was like 80% there.
Regardless of all the issues I mentioned, I still think the film is stellar. Head and shoulders above almost any other new movie in the past few years, without question, even if that's a low bar by now. Would rewatch it in a heartbeat- and I probably will before Beyond comes out.
Insane visuals that push the boundaries of 3D animation and help set tone excellently, a super fitting soundtrack with only slightly less punch than its predecessor, a minimal amount of blatant agenda-pushing (I will always give this film credit for making that agenda believable in-universe as opposed to co-opting characters to be the writers' soapboxes, too), a compelling (if questionable) villain with a strong main cast and tons of attention to detail that kept me invested throughout.
Across is very very good. I just hope Beyond sticks the landing instead of fucking everything up. If nothing else, at least the animation will definitely be enough to justify watching it for.
I don't feel like doing a big, full review since it's a 2-hour movie and there is a LOT of shit packed in it. I'll just do a (probably spoiler-y) summary.
Come on guys, the woke shit isn't that bad. Seriously. Spider-Punk being black is stupid, as is Jess (forgot the rest of her name), but they're both side characters and not too overall important outside of the former giving Gwen that homemade watch. The flag in Gwen's room is also stupid, but seeing as
Same idea goes for Spider-Punk's dialogue, although that's significantly more annoying because it's literally a character speaking to the audience. Regardless, it makes sense in-character and isn't obnoxious (especially with how little screentime the dude gets). The worst parts of the movie are when characters spout this shit where it doesn't make sense (almost every single mention of capitalism falls prey to this outside of a single instance said by Spider-Punk where it ended up funny due to context), and yet everyone is focusing on the flag. Retarded.
- her closest friend outside of Miles is the aforementioned literal punk
- she plays in a punk band
- her father comments on her aforementioned punkness by asking if a hug is "too punk-rock" for her
- she literally has fucking dangerhair, buzzcut and all
Same idea goes for Spider-Punk's dialogue, although that's significantly more annoying because it's literally a character speaking to the audience. Regardless, it makes sense in-character and isn't obnoxious (especially with how little screentime the dude gets). The worst parts of the movie are when characters spout this shit where it doesn't make sense (almost every single mention of capitalism falls prey to this outside of a single instance said by Spider-Punk where it ended up funny due to context), and yet everyone is focusing on the flag. Retarded.
Minor rant aside, I honestly believe the sequel is only an inch or two underneath the first in my rankings. I'm not a huge fan of how Spot was kind of just ignored after becoming an extradimensional threat and how Miguel's (very reasonable) motivations were sort of shoved into villainy for the sake of a climax- though I do like what that did to Miles and how it emphasized his own flaws (namely him being selfish, impulsive, and disobedient). The "two cakes" thread running along the entire plot was very clever, even if it got a bit obvious at points (the literal two cakes at the roof party) lol.
The animation is a fucking triumph. I don't think that even needs to be said, it's so damn good. The way the worlds change in the most subtle of ways- to portray emotion, to convey unfamiliarity, or just to fuck around with different mediums because that's fun to do- I loved every single second of it and I can't wait to see how they push things even further in the finale-
-even if I think the cliffhanger ending was a total cop-out, and a finale shouldn't need to exist. The fact that ATS was split into two movies has kind of wrecked part 1's pacing a bit- you can tell that it was split in two and not meant to be standalone, as opposed to ITS where (even if it also had an arguable cliffhanger) it stood on its own perfectly well. I probably would've been more okay with the cliffhanger ending if it was cut off just as Prower Miles was revealed, or if it went on for a little longer and left off on Miles about to kick the shit out of him or something. The way it is now just feels like an awkward middle ground that neither built up suspense nor made much sense.
I don't like the soundtrack as much as the first. It's not bad, I just think I like the songs slightly less.
A lot of the issues I have with the movie are like this, just "slightly less" than the original film. The only two big flaws imo were the ending...
...and Peter B. Parker, who really really didn't need to be there. It kind of sucked to see him downgraded so hard and the baby was really annoying. Yes, haha, parents can be really obsessive about their kids, the joke stopped being funny the moment after Peter's child showed up on screen. She was totally superfluous and I'm convinced she's just there to bait for a grown-up version in a sequel/spin-off or merch. The only purpose he has in the entire movie is forcing Miles to get moving again by revealing his location with his watch. I'll admit- the scene was a bit touching, but it could've been easily substituted with the spider-people just finding Miles' location anyways (because they have fucking spidey senses) and nothing of significant value would be lost.
Peter B. should've stayed nonspeaking like the rest of the first film's side cast or shouldn't've showed up at all. The way he is now is just kind of embarrassing and feels like another shitty attempt to emasculate the already-emasculated in a sea full of strong diverse young people (although I'm certain that this film, for once, was more concerned with its narrative than bashing any given race).
The actual narrative was good. I enjoyed the ride wholeheartedly and, even despite the aforementioned pacing issues, I was following along pretty well throughout. I don't think it was as solid as the first's, but that was sort of a given. When you change the concept from "single person meets otherworldly friends and finds out who he is" to "aforementioned person meets hundreds of different versions of himself, learns he's a mistake while fucking up the entire universe twice in a row, and angsts while his girlfriend tries to fix things" a lot of humanity gets lost along the way. I would've preferred less focus on the multiverse and more on Spot/Miles. Keeping things more grounded when things get this high-concept is a must, and I think Spiderverse was like 80% there.
Regardless of all the issues I mentioned, I still think the film is stellar. Head and shoulders above almost any other new movie in the past few years, without question, even if that's a low bar by now. Would rewatch it in a heartbeat- and I probably will before Beyond comes out.
Insane visuals that push the boundaries of 3D animation and help set tone excellently, a super fitting soundtrack with only slightly less punch than its predecessor, a minimal amount of blatant agenda-pushing (I will always give this film credit for making that agenda believable in-universe as opposed to co-opting characters to be the writers' soapboxes, too), a compelling (if questionable) villain with a strong main cast and tons of attention to detail that kept me invested throughout.
Across is very very good. I just hope Beyond sticks the landing instead of fucking everything up. If nothing else, at least the animation will definitely be enough to justify watching it for.
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Is it me, or has Nimona been astroturfed to hell and back? A bunch of YT recommendations (for me, at least) are filled with "NIMONA IS SO GOOD ACTUALLY?!" and "YOU HAVE TO SEE NIMONA!"
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follow-up since I can't edit anymore: apparently Spider-Punk is also the Prowler? As in, he shares the name of the original Prowler, who was also apparently black. That makes that make... a little more sense... but also brings up many questions that I will not get into because I know nothing about the comics and this rabbit hole looks very very deep (why is he also from the dimension that Prowler Miles is, what the fuck is this about a clone, why is he also apparently dead but not, why does Spider-Punk share a name and a race with the Prowler but nothing else, why are comic writers paid money for their work)
EDIT: the answer to almost all of my questions is that he's from an alternate universe
he is from a relatively recent and obscure alternate universe
trying to figure this out was not worth the headache
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Hobie Brown's always been Spider-Punk, ever since the character's introduction in 2014. His real name's Hobart, he's not the Prowler, he got bit by a spider that got irradiated from a toxic waste dump, he beat Norman Osborn to death with a guitar, and he comes from a universe called Earth-138. Think of him as something like Spider-Gwen: a pre-existing character who wasn't initially Spider-Man, who got the mantle because writers thought it'd be fun/they couldn't be assed to come up with a wholly original character.
He's from his own universe in the movies, too- there's behind-the-scenes art of him and Gwen playing a concert in his dimension and it's got that same scribbly, newspaper-cutout aesthetic that Hobie's character animation does. It's also 1978 in his universe, according to a placard in the movie. Also, the only clone in the movie is Ben Reilly, who is the Scarlet Spider (weirdly portrayed as a blonde emo) that we see in a few scenes.
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yeah, I've read about it by now, I'm just surprised
I think the reason I immediately assumed the race was changed was because I never associate cockney with black, primarily because it's britain's version of white trash
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Apparently he's from Camden, which is where his voice actor's from.
Also, here's the art!
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What really happened is they took the wholesome story of the Prowler, Hobie Brown, where he was a reluctant villain that quickly reformed and became friendly with Spider-Man, and gave the title to Miles Morales's uncle, turning him into a worthless burglar. Then because they needed more black diversity characters, they took the identity of good old Hobie and dumped it into some other character so they could get an extra Spider-Man because modern comic writers are lazy faggots.
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I remember this! Most of the clips were included in the Microsoft Dinosaurs PC game/encyclopedia, which was the shit.
That's sort of been their MO for a long time, like putting people on the A team and B team and doing a lowest common denominator film that I guess they hope is a surprising success? Back in the day, nobody wanted to be working on Shrek instead of Prince of Egypt, but both films became classics in different ways.
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DreamWorks struggled hard in their early years, leading to the 2D division being shut down entirely after Sinbad under-performed. Since then, they realized that lowest common denominator works were what was keeping the ship a float. Madagascar should be looked at as a prime example of a pretty nothing film somehow elevating the company immensely and becoming a massive series out of thin air.
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What I meant was that Spider-Punk's always been Hobie, never Peter or some other character, and was never also the Prowler in his universe, like the post I was replying to was confused about. I know that Hobie's the Prowler and an antihero in 616, and that they gave the role to Miles' uncle in his universe and made him part of his rogues gallery. I was just trying to clear some stuff up about Spider-Punk specifically since OP had a bunch of questions.
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CalArts bean mouth has spread to the Jehovah's Witnesses
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It's depressing. Religious cartoons were the last bastion of Xavier-esque CGI.
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that's Jehovah's Witness. The one's who set a maximum occupancy limit for heaven and are now trying to reconcile the fact that the number of believers have far exceeded that limit. They're sad from the get-go. Last I checked they think they can convince heaven's fire marshal to fudge the numbers
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I forgot to mention that not only was the chicken run posters were released, but also a teaser trailer as well.
Also Velma has been renewed for a second season.
And in late lighter news that I didn't expect:
Big mouth is coming to an end!!!
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Hard to belive we've been stuck with big mouth for almost a full decade. Congratulations Netflix unless stranger things pulls some miracle and survives the writers strike your longest running original show will be big mouth.
And the funny but not funny thing is do you know why shows like big mouth, Santa inc, and human resources even exist? we can all thank sausage party for that. Sausage party came out in the summer of 2016, and since so many drooling imbeciles and stupid teenagers flocked to see sausage party making it a financial successSeth Rogan and his jew buddies became embolden to work on more projects like it. Rogan himself even admitted he hoped sausage party would be the first in a long line of adult animation.
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the miracles of hatewatching
This is why I will forever dislike the people who watch bad media for being bad as much as I will people who watch bad media and think it's good
They're both helping it succeed simply by giving it attention and they both deserve scorn
(note that I don't mean people who watch so-bad-it's-good stuff, I mean just outright dogshit like Velma or Big Mouth because they know it's bad and not because they think it might be funny)
I would hope it's because the creators are going to jail for making borderline child porn, but I know that's not the case.
The fact that we got stuck with 8 seasons of it is testament to how atrocious the state of the tv/film industry is.
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Now that it's all over I might as well post this unspeakably cursed Japanese image that I found but never got to use.
