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[LonelyEggRoll]

Theres a whole new breed of true crime white girl YouTubers/podcasters who are trying desperately to pedal away from being accused of profiting off the victims, so they perform a whole song & dance for the audience.

This will comprise of a good opening chunk, or sometimes even a whole episode dedicated to ‘getting to know the victims’. Meeting people who knew them, what they loved, what they stood for, what was important for them.

Its a performative action to avoid the backlash that they know is just around the corner, that they are making money off the suffering of others, and that they aren’t professional journalists, qualified to do so, with the standards which go along with that (albeit whatever that means to some publications in this day and age).

I don’t know if it’s me who is the freak, but these sections of the videos/podcasts are dull as hell. We all want to know about the fucked up details, the fucked up killer.
The audience knows it, and the content creator knows it.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Theres a whole new breed of true crime white girl YouTubers/podcasters who are trying desperately to pedal away from being accused of profiting off the victims, so they perform a whole song & dance for the audience.

Yet always stopping short of just getting a real job instead.

 

[NoReturn]

This will comprise of a good opening chunk, or sometimes even a whole episode dedicated to ‘getting to know the victims’. Meeting people who knew them, what they loved, what they stood for, what was important for them.

See also: The Last Podcast Network has a show called "Some Place Under Neith" which is all about missing women. It's a decent show, but you really can't shake the feeling that it was created to balance out Last Podcast on the Left.

 

[TokiBun]

I love Last Podcast on the Left. I met someone who claimed it was offensive probably because of Henry's Charles Ng impression lol

 

[Male Idiot]

Eh both sides can be at fault. The creepy necrophile being a degenerate does not make a junkie sitting in a pool of her own bodily fluids a... worthwile member of the community. If you are high on crack and get into a stranger's care for sucky sucky, shit can happen. Just evolution weeding out the dumb. Definately not worth the same taxpayer money as a nigger shooting a shop owner who provided jobs and groceries for the community.

I liked true crime when it was a mystery show about how scientists figure out what happened. The victims are just puzzle pieces, providing info on how old the worms in them are.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Nigga why are we defending murderers in here?

Goes back to what I said earlier in this thread about how the True Crimers view the crime itself - a personal drama with the entire dramatis personae already known to the audience in the manner of a whodunit. They then go on about the personalities they like or dislike, regardless of who they are or what they did. And from there, its easy to become exploitative of the victims because they already personalized the crime to start with.

Aside from that, I don't really find their analysis of crimes very compelling. In a number of these unsolved crimes, the killer is someone with no prior connection to the victim anyway. Some of the other ones will do a contrarian take and try to make it out that an obvious murder wasnt actually a murder at all with flimsy evidence.

 

[CaseyTatumm]

Looking up some more background info on the Chris watts case I found out there's a band called Skynd.

Skynd (band) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm not gonna clutch my pearls over it but it comes off as pretty crass. Also the idea of "pioneering the genre of true crime music" is very lol as in wtf lol to me.

My teenager told me about this band Skynd…bc his middle aged dad listens to them and he thought it was cringey as fuck. I looked up their songs and it’s all murder cringe, it’s like they looked up the case and wrote garbage lyrics to them,

I haven’t finished the thread yet but Generation. why is a great true crime case. They’re very respectful of the victims and don’t go overboard on the gore.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

Gary Plauché, Aileen Wuornos and Robert Maudsley are the only murderers I'd defend, but that's because their victims were child molesters and rapists and deserved it. It's not as if the victims we're talking about deserved to get murdered for being naive, drunk or stupid. Maybe they deserved to be grounded, or to wake up in a pool of their own sick, with a hangover and Sharpie scribbles on their face or their eyebrows shaved off, or whatever stupid shit kids do to each other when they get drunk these days. Death penalty for being an idiot is a bit harsh.

 

[Echo_Ender]

One of the good True Crime channels (I forgot which one), pointed out a lot of hilarity in the Kendrick Johnson case.

So... kid hops on top of rolled up gym mats to get his shoes. Reaches down, falls in, bones his head, suffocates. It sucks, but people do dumb shit and accidents happen.

The family is understandably distraught. But also greedy. So they invent a batshit insane theory about a kids father who worked at the FBI ordering the kids to assassinate Kendrick as part of some racist conspiracy and attempt a lawsuit based on this theory for obscene amounts of money.

This naturally blows up in their faces, they get countersued for a ton and are left a bankrupt, conspiracy-theory spewing wreck of insanity.

The hilarious part, though? If they'd just accepted that it was an accident, they could've sued the school and everyone connected to it for wrongful death.

With all the factors (School not allowing lockers forced him to store shoes in the mats, mats not secured, no warnings posted, inadequate supervision, ect), they would've had a slam dunk case, made more than enough money for the rest of their lives, and no one would've really blamed them for suing.

But nope. Had to get greedy, cry racism, and self-ruin.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Looking up some more background info on the Chris watts case I found out there's a band called Skynd.

Skynd (band) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm not gonna clutch my pearls over it but it comes off as pretty crass. Also the idea of "pioneering the genre of true crime music" is very lol as in wtf lol to me.

Church of Misery beat them by about 28 years. Macabre beat them by over 30 years.

 

[glass_houses]

Church of Misery beat them by about 28 years. Macabre beat them by over 30 years.

Ballads about notorious crimes and criminals have been written since ballads became a thing. "Lizzie Borden took an axe" etc.

 

[Kiwisee]

Remember the murder of Evelyn Hernandez? Probably not, because the only time people ever bring her up is whenever people are already talking about Laci Peterson, either because of their corpses being in similar condition when found or because of race grifters bemoaning “missing white woman syndrome”.

It actually makes me mad that people like her aren’t spoken about unless it’s grift; much like many other lesser known non-white women.

 

[Echo_Ender]

Ballads about notorious crimes and criminals have been written since ballads became a thing. "Lizzie Borden took an axe" etc.

My favorite are the Mexican "Narcocorridos", ballads about the illegal, violent exploits of cartel members.

They're my favorite because sometimes the singers put too many incriminating facts and details in their songs, or their songs aren't "Respectful" enough, the Cartel decides to pay them a visit.

If they aren't killed outright, they're usually abducted and never seen alive again. If the body is ever found, it's usually pretty gruesome.

The kicker? Most of these murdered singers were warned by the cartels to knock it off. Often multiple times. But they keep it up, with predictable results.

 

[lolcow yoghurt]

Gary Plauché, Aileen Wuornos and Robert Maudsley are the only murderers I'd defend, but that's because their victims were child molesters and rapists and deserved it. It's not as if the victims we're talking about deserved to get murdered for being naive, drunk or stupid. Maybe they deserved to be grounded, or to wake up in a pool of their own sick, with a hangover and Sharpie scribbles on their face or their eyebrows shaved off, or whatever stupid shit kids do to each other when they get drunk these days. Death penalty for being an idiot is a bit harsh.

A German woman sneaked a gun into court and killed the rapist-killer of her child. I think that she did the right thing. 1 less rapist on earth.

 

[Catloaf]

A German woman sneaked a gun into court and killed the rapist-killer of her child. I think that she did the right thing. 1 less rapist on earth.

Knowing that Europoors don't give death penalties and that there's a good chance that he'll be walking free after 5 years... That's incredibly based

 

[moocow]

Knowing that Europoors don't give death penalties and that there's a good chance that he'll be walking free after 5 years... That's incredibly based

I wonder whether she was extended the same courtesy (of a short prison sentence) or if the book was thrown at her for infringing on the state's alleged monopoly on justice.

 

[Catloaf]

I wonder whether she was extended the same courtesy (of a short prison sentence) or if the book was thrown at her for infringing on the state's alleged monopoly on justice.

She was initially charged with first degree murder, but after some negociations it got lowered to manslaughter and unlawful posession of firearm. She was sentenced to six years in prison with only 3 years served. The pedo who killed her daughter was convicted twice for sexual abuse of 2 girls. For the first time, he was given probation and for the second, he opted for chemical castration instead of a prison sentence. There was no follow up, so 2 years later, he got testestrone therapy.

 

[My cravat doesn't flutter]

This incident is once again bringing to the forefront the larger question surrounding true crime regarding what is acceptable within the genre. It's profiting over death and misery and it's not even abstracted like it is in so many other places. Society and individuals have their own boundaries as to what is acceptable and what is not. I enjoy true crime, but personally don't consume much of it as I've gotten older. I find most youtube content especially low effort and exploitative. I can read news and wikipedia articles with copyright free music in the background myself.

ID is leagues above anything YouTube has to offer. Higher production quality and they actually bring on experts and people involved in the cases. Exploitative? Maybe, but the friends/family of the victims are there giving their story. No armchair psychiatrist reading into their words and giving their own "interpretation". The experts are experts. There's weeks worth of content.

 

[Kanemura Miku]

Not sure if there is a better place to post this, but Ben Kissel from Last Podcast on the Left has been cancelled due to abuse allegations from his ex:

Spoiler: Summary and timeline from Reddit

• This big incident was on a tour, this happened in Las Vegas at Psychofest, August 19-21. [27:36, 28:36]
• Ben had been out with the crew, Taylor went back to hotel room when she got tired of partying. [2:48]
• Taylor wakes up at 3am. Texts him. Ben is not back. [3:16] Taylor falls back into a dead sleep.
• Ben gets back, heavily inebriated, and starts yelling “BABE, BABE, BABE”. He’s stumbling. [3:40]
• She is not immediately attentive because she is waking up from a dead sleep. She does not get out of bed. This somehow angers Ben. Then his tone changes [4:13].
• She starts apologizing and saying that she’s just confused as to what’s going on.
• He started raging around the room throwing things while she was in bed and he stood beside the bed. [4:43]
• He then got on the bed, and was calling her “a fucking pathetic loser” and “a fucking bitch” [6:54] while she begged him to stop. [5:23]
• He put both his hands on her shoulders with her legs pinned down by the sheets [5:46] and pushed her down by her shoulders while he was yelling at her [5:51]. He mashed his forehead against hers while doing this. [7:11]
• He called her a pathetic loser while he had his faced pushed into hers. She started crying [8:28] and then he said “Why are you crying? Why aren’t you just happy when I walk in a room? [8:42] What’s wrong with you? You should always be happy when I come in.” [8:47]
• He had her pinned on the bed screaming in her face for AN HOUR [9:01]. He then finally rolled over and fell asleep [9:17].
• The next day was brunch with the crew. There is discussion of a double date with Henry and Natalie. (While not named, I think it’s Henry and Natalie because Taylor describes the wife as “having a show on the network. [9:32] ” Which sounds more like Natalie to me, as SPUN is Natalie’s show and NoDog’s is a combo show belonging to Marcus/Carolina.) The double date does not ultimately happen. Ben leaves brunch.
• (Who I assume to be Natalie) and Taylor walk to the show. Taylor is asked “Are you ok?” by Natalie, Taylor tells her everything. Natalie believes her.
• This behavior did not start out badly, it escalated. When they first started dating, he was a fun drunk. It had been going on a while like that. [11:17]
• (Who I assume to be Natalie) tells (who I assume to be Henry) and Henry, Natalie, and Taylor spend the day trying to get Taylor a separate hotel room for the following night. Ben is sending text messages to her that “weren’t normal. [11:51]”
• Taylor makes a point here to state she’s got these text messages and is choosing to tell this story orally because releasing the texts is too invasive. So she has receipts.
• Natalie and Henry stood in line for Taylor to get a different room, but we’re unsuccessful getting another room because Psychofest was going on. [12:23]
• It is now nighttime and Ben is still not back. Taylor decides she will just manually lock the door in case he comes back. [13:21]
• Taylor falls asleep and wakes up at some point and messages Natalie on her now deleted instagram that Ben is not back. She takes this moment to tell us these messages are deleted. [13:48] Taylor begs Natalie not to say anything, and Natalie does not say anything.
• Taylor decides to share her story August 2023.
• This was not an isolated incident. [15:56]
• May 2022 they started dating and ended July 23, 2023 [16:15]. Taylor says she “just got a plane ticket and left” and that she “does not want to discuss the details of that.” [29:10]. So we can gather something else happened that day.
• Over time, he started making, rude, uncalled for, and mean comments. [17:34] The drinking turned into full on benders. She writes off his behavior as “Sometimes people say things when they’re drinking.[18:10]
• After these benders and abusive drinking days occurred, he would take Taylor out to a nice restaurant or in buy her a gift as a way try to make it up to her. [18:00, 19:30]
• “The person that was telling me they were in love with me was the same person that called me a pathetic loser at night. And in the morning he would tell me he loved me [19:10].”
• During the following drunk mistreatments after the gifts or dinners, he would bring the gifts up as a way to make her give him permission to drink. [19:57, 20:03]
• These drunk mistreatments happened often when she was asleep. He would wake her up and yell at her about “why she should always smile [20:22]”
• The nicer a present he bought her, the worse she would be treated at night when he got drunk. [22:08]
• Taylor said she stayed because she loved him deeply, and that she is not trying to be malicious in stating the truth now. [23:13]
• The incident resulted in a large gift. She didn’t feel comfortable disclosing what it was. [22:52]
• On or around August 23 (about a month after the relationship ended [29:20] Taylor posts the Instagram story alleging the abuse.
• Two weeks go by, the post blows up on Reddit. The post blows upon IG. Taylor’s IG is removed due to controversy.
• On Friday Sep 13 the boys release the side stories “The Bullet in the Backseat”, explaining that Ben is going to treatment for mental and physical health. They do not mention Taylor.
• Nobody from LPN has reached out or spoken to Taylor [37:29]. She feels like they are trying to forget about what happened to her. She heard what they said on side stories about only being people, and wanted to spread the message that she is only a person too, but she is one person without a big network [38:13]. “Because I was not mentioned, I need to be heard somehow. Because people need to know what I went through [38:33].
• September 16th Taylor does a live with Davey Jackson, who is her friend, and a standup and recovered alcoholic with a podcast.

Ben is said to currently be in rehab for 'physical and mental health', and is not appearing on new episodes for the time being.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Wasn't Ben Kissel supposed to have quit drinking years ago? He's talked many times about being a drunk, cocaine user, anti-talk therapy, depressed guy who can't understand why there's no magic cure for his mental problems & cult childhood, but on the show they always act like that was back in their 20s.

This is really disappointing, mostly because it isn't Henry being kicked off the show. I fucking hate that guy.