Generation Z can't work alongside people with different views and don't have the skills to debate. - Says Channel 4 boss as she cites the pandemic as the main cause of the workplace challenge.

Young people in the workplace don't have the skills to debate, disagree and work alongside people with different opinions, Channel 4's chief executive has said.

Speaking at the Royal Television Society's Cambridge Convention, Alex Mahon said 'particularly post-pandemic' Gen Z youngsters 'haven't got the skills to discuss' and 'haven't got the skills to disagree'.

She said this phenomenon, which was being seen in the workplace, was a 'dangerous step change'.

The Channel 4 boss cited the time youngsters had spent 'being out of colleges' during the pandemic, meaning they had not been exposed as much to 'people with a difference of opinion'.

Gen Z usually refers to people born between the middle to late 1990s and the early 2010s.

Ms Mahon told the Royal Television Society Cambridge Convention: 'What we are seeing with young people who come into the workplace - particularly post pandemic - with this concentration of short form content [short videos on services like Tik Tok and YouTube] is they haven't got the skills to debate things.

'They haven't got the skills to discuss, they haven't got the skills to disagree and commit because they haven't been raised, particularly with being out of colleges to have those kind of debates, to get to the point where you've got people with a difference of opinion to you and you're happy to work alongside that, and that is a really dangerous step change in my view that we are seeing.'

Last year Channel 4 carried out research which showed these youngsters are less tolerant of others' views than their parents or grandparents.

The study found that young people could therefore be said to be 'less liberal' than their elders. The research branded this phenomenon as the 'rise of the Young Illiberal Progressives' or 'Yips'.

During Ms Mahon's appearance at the event she unveiled new research which showed that many 'associate their short form social media consumption with feeling a lack of control'.

It was added: 'When the algorithm is in charge, people say they feel emotionally out of control - the immediate dopamine-hit fades rapidly and they are left feeling empty.'

It added that it gave them a sense that their lives had been 'encroached upon'.

The research said viewers in Britain felt 'anxious about video overload'.

People watch over five hours per day 'and the video day is lengthening', Ms Mahon revealed, adding that 'short-form viewing has piled on to long form viewing, and gaming has piled in on top of both'.

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[derpherp2]

Considering apparently everyone thinks the "skills to debate" involve injecting yourselfs with 30cc's of liquid autism and refusing to say you were wrong for even the most miniscule of things like misreading the opposition's emotions via usage of the word "fuck" and "faggot," can you really blame them?

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

This exists at all generations now in the workplace. If anyone wants to talk politics, I change the subject because I don’t want to hear it, even if I agree with what they say. I prefer to bloviate about politics here, not at work.

 

[Odd Opossum]

Almost everyone that's my same age has told me things like "fuck 'em" and "I'd just walk out" and "idgaf I'll just not go to work today." Many people I know around my age have no-called no-showed quit a job, and we're not talking just "baby's first McDonald's job", we're talking "my first real job with my 4 year degree." We're talking, get a job with a 100k salary, get your first performance review and it's sub-par, and instead of having any sort of meeting with anyone, you bitch loudly in an email chain and never go back.

Yeah, this is the most common thing I've encountered. In my experience, these Zoomers aren't hyper-political and crying about racism in the workplace, they just don't give a fuck about anything or anyone.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Gen z having no resilience or ability to take criticism is due to the stupid parenting techniques where you never induce shame or contrition.

Your parents are your original model for how you approach being criticized and how you work through the feelings that generated. Your parents ideally can help you work through defensiveness and get you to a point where you appreciate well founded criticism and don't dismiss it as being an unmotivated personal attack by the time you enter your teen years.

But if your parents taught you that love and care means keeping criticisms to yourself and always phrasing things delicately so you don't feel bad, you will feel like anyone who doesn't handle you with kid gloves hates you and is out to get you, rather than just realizing most people don't have the time to personally consider how to phrase everything in life to avoid making you sad.

 

[dustbuster]

Considering apparently everyone thinks the "skills to debate" involve injecting yourselfs with 30cc's of liquid autism and refusing to say you were wrong for even the most miniscule of things like misreading the opposition's emotions via usage of the word "fuck" and "faggot,"

Are you telling me to presume honesty and good faith from an antifa thug?
I'm not even a zoomer and consider this a shit take.

 

[Rich Evans Simp]

It’s not appropriate to talk politics where I work, but the Gen Y staff are really difficult to handle. They get openly upset when it’s pointed out that there are job perks, responsibilities, and knowledge that can only arise when you’ve been in the workforce or this particular industry for a long time. I think the Gen Y kids who are studious and driven (like the ones I work with) were treated like little Gods with no brakes on their arrogance. Maybe the over-emphasis on fairness and equity in their schools had something to do with it, too.

I had a youngster throw a subdued mini-tantrum because some people with 15+ years of experience have explicit mentoring responsibility in their job descriptions. She couldn’t believe that, given some organization she “founded” in college that did some type of mentorship, that she wasn’t given this responsibility. Another sputtered and sulked because an older person said that they would call a contact to get an answer on something that the young one was investigating. In this conversation, another 20-something chimes in to say that we shouldn’t be blowing up people’s phones. These are 25-ish year olds with Master’s degrees and a year or more or professional experience, not fast food employees.

I made mistakes early in my career, but I wouldn’t have dared act this way.

 

[dustbuster]

I had a youngster throw a subdued mini-tantrum because some people with 15+ years of experience have explicit mentoring responsibility in their job descriptions. She couldn’t believe that, given some organization she “founded” in college that did some type of mentorship, that she wasn’t given this responsibility. Another sputtered and sulked because an older person said that they would call a contact to get an answer on something that the young one was investigating. In this conversation, another 20-something chimes in to say that we shouldn’t be blowing up people’s phones.

I had a zoomer intern on my floor, newly-hired, and handed a test environment to work with.
The whole point was to allow him to explore, move fast, and break things (the fastest way to learn an unfamilar tech stack is to track down and fix the source of breakages).

Well, inevitably, he broke something, and came into my cube in an absolute nervous breakdown.

Clearly this was supposed to break, I told him so, that this was normal for learning,and invited him to shadow me while I poked around fixing it up.

Within 5 minutes he was rocking back and forth on the floor of my cube, absolutely unreachable.
No matter what effort I put in to relax him, he was just gone.

I heard a week later that he unleashed his pent up anxiety on our head of product and was escorted out.

I absolutely blame his parents.

 

[derpherp2]

Are you telling me to presume honesty and good faith from an antifa thug?
I'm not even a zoomer and consider this a shit take.

More like the faggots will assume outright hostility from the most innocuous of things. Like making fun of trannies specifically.

 

[Betonhaus]

The future looks so bright, with mental illness literally being encouraged

 

[Rich Evans Simp]

Within 5 minutes he was rocking back and forth on the floor of my cube, absolutely unreachable.
No matter what effort I put in to relax him, he was just gone.

Goddamn. Until this happened, did he seem somewhat normal? Or were you kind of like, yeah, big autism, but we’ll take a chance because he had decent social skills during the interview process?

 

[dustbuster]

Goddamn. Until this happened, did he seem somewhat normal? Or were you kind of like, yeah, big autism, but we’ll take a chance because he had decent social skills during the interview process?

Before this descent into complete autism, he was just in a standard "office panic" "x is broken! x is broken!"
I actually like my job and enjoy fighting fires like that, so there's no way I could have appeared mad when I was happy about it, but he was acting as if a different person was in the cube with him blaming him for everything and threatening to end his career.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I'm older than gen Z and plenty of my peers have fallen down this well aswell. A slight disagreement turns to them getting enraged and emotional. They can't discuss or debate. Any argument against what they think causes them emotional stress and they fucking lose it. They honestly get emotionally charged at even trying to think through their political positions.

Honestly Millennials are worse about this than Gen Z. Gen Z kind of doesn't want to rebel at all and in fact wants to be accepted as "good kids" and just sort of buy into the narrative. That doesn't mean they're open minded, just read reddit comments, but they're profoundly ignorant of anything that isn't "accepted narrative" and it gives them anxiety.

Gen Z is easy to program, has no independent drive, they are the generation of upcoming perfect consumers. They don't care about classics, don't care about anything before their time other than superficial hipsterism, it's all about being socially accepted and "being a good member of the community." Gen Z is ultra-uber-conformist to the point where it's almost ideological. I suspect part of it is the left instilling political guilt into all people making them feel like oppressors for being white, not handicapped, in a first-world nation, etc. It's like they all grew up in religious households, except that religion was this leftist progressivism popular with women.

Gen Z are prone to Amygdala hijacks, because they've been conditioned by prosperity and participation trophies to knee-jerk attack anyone who disagrees with them. They literally view disagreement as a direct attack and speech as violence. That's why they can't be reasoned with. Because their very sense of identity is tied to being on the Right Side of History and fighting anyone who's on the Wrong Side.

I had a super liberal manager at work who always supported the Current Thing from BLM to trooning out 8 year olds. I couldn't debate her because I needed my job, and even when I did, she used tactics like Bulverism ("You're a bad person for saying that women can be just as abusive as men!") and Tu quoque ("Why do you hate our government giving free houses to foreigners? YOU'VE relied on government programs yourself so you're a big hypocrite!") to counter me. I realized it was pointless to try to argue with the brainwashed, especially when, even if I'd won, all I'd get was a surly manager who considered me a thought criminal.

And if you were going to argue with someone using this ad hominem fallacy, they wouldn't listen to you. You'd need to send them the Bulverism article to get them to realize it's a fallacy, because they need an "Authoritative Source" (a source their peer group would respect). Then they might argue that "not everything on the internet is true" even though it's a conceptual issue or the evidence is right there on the page. Gen Z works by reputation and social esteem. They don't believe this explicitly, but implicitly they think that social consensus is the gauge of truth.

 

[alpha889boba]

I guess I am an outlier here. I do talk politics a lot at work and with my boss. Debates even. Its always been friendly discussion, no one ever gets heated and the work continues to get done. Though that was after like a year of reading the room and getting the temperament of the department.

 

[ZazietheBeast]

So this is what happens when you let Tiktok and Tumblr garbage raise a generation. They become these types of zoomers. Glad I don't have kids right now. Also, considering how much of a deluded doormat zoomies tend to be... they'll easily be overpowered and outplayed by 3rd worlders with nothing to lose. Guess who's being imported en masse.

 

[Betonhaus]

If I ever have kids I'm going to ask an Amish or Hutterite colony to raise them.

 

[Cryogonal2]

I'll gladly work with someone whose views aren't in line with my own, but I will refuse to debate them on political subjects, nor will I talk about my own personal beliefs. A coworker is a coworker, not a buddy or conversational partner, plus you never know if someone is a powder keg waiting to explode at the slightest spark.

 

[raspberry mocha]

I hate Zoomers/Gen Z but I also hate how journoscum are trying to make them into a scapegoat for problems older generations created in the first place. Breathlessly charting millennial behavior from cradle to early grave just further enabled their generational narcissism, and now they're trying to pawn that off. Just like Mom!

 

[Betonhaus]

This probably combines with politics branding anyone that disagrees with the narrative as literally Hitler, and reddit having power tripping mods that band people at the first hint of disagreements. And parents forcing the use of participation medals and having youtube and facebook raise their children.

Things will only go downhill from here, and I really wish we could rip the bandaid off while I'm still young enough to be able to adapt to the new world order.

 

[DamnWolves!]

To be fair even non-gen Z people do this shit sometimes as well, it's more hush hush but I've known plenty who will only hire those who espouse similar opinions in certain fields. Yes men didn't come out of "Gen Z" field.

I do everything in my fucking power to keep trannies and woke retards out of the business I work for. Occasionally, one will sneak in via a vendor or a contractor, but I find ways to get rid of them. IT troons are the worst -- you think regular IT guys smell bad; wait until you meet a greasy, autistic with a rotting axe wound where his balls used to be.

In my experience, not only are these people disruptive to the normal course of business, but they are also lawsuit/long-term disability magnets.

Good luck firing some guy named "Tara" when he has 8 psychologists willing to enable his bad behavior by writing him letters claiming he can't work due to "anxiety"... if these people aren't suing you, they're scamming you, all because you were stupid enough to give him a job.

The second you start letting these people into your business, you are in existential danger. It usually starts by bringing an academic or a woman onto your board to appease journalists or market makers, who will promptly "suggest" that you promote more women or niggers to senior leadership positions (or -- God forbid -- a nigger woman) and from there you're basically fucked.

 

[SBG]

I have two of these Yips shadowing me at work, and i feel like im a tard wrangler working at a school with special needs kids, they have no attention span and zero work ethic, they look at their phones everytime it vibrates, even as im trying to explaining complex things to them..

Only upside is that they throw money at me every year to make sure i stay cause my bosses know they will be fucked if i leave..

Tried fixing your post to make it easier for zoomers to understand.