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Is there any evidence that they were tipping Germans out of wheelchairs and into the furnaces or is it just fiction?
I'm asking sincerely if anyone wants to chip in.
The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers
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Is there any evidence that they were tipping Germans out of wheelchairs and into the furnaces or is it just fiction?
I'm asking sincerely if anyone wants to chip in.
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I'm just going to copypasta the whole thing about Treblinka from a fellow friend and denier named Scott:
The Question: Does anyone have a good answer for the charge that when the Nazis left Treblinka , they didn't just blow up the buildings; they bulldozed everything and ordered a farmhouse and trees built on top?
The Answer: It's basically B.S. that these camps were razed, as David Cole and Holohoaxers argue.
Remember that these camps were not built to last. Typically, if infrastructure wasn't torched when abandoned by the military, locals scavenged building materials, land, etc.
Treblinka had two small camps, one on each side of a gravel quarry, the pit of which still exists today.
At the older small camp, usually called Treblinka I, you can still find the building foundations where the penal workers lived, who worked the gravel quarry.
Treblinka II was another small camp on the other side of the quarry, closer to the rail spur. There wasn't much there at all. Just a few buildings, an armory, and a kennel, which was called the Zoo, because there were also some local wild animals, like a fox, kept there.
There was a water well at TII, which is supposed to be near where the alleged gas-chambers were and the burning pyres and mass grave. This doesn't make a lot of sense since the well water would be contaminated and useless. The water table is fairly high there because the Bug River is not that far away.
Near TII and the quarry, there are some photos from Commandant Kurt Franz's wartime photo album, which shows Menck & Hambrock power shovels, i.e., dragline excavators, working on loading piles of gravel. They are not digging mass-graves, and according to construction experts in various RODOH discussions, this is not the right type of equipment for that kind of purpose anyway.
All remote camps like this have a burn pile and trash pit someplace, but the TII site has no vaunted mass grave. The very limited archaeology of the site that is allowed by Jews curiously has not found any such thing, which tells you what you need to know.
If there really was a mass-grave at Treblinka or the Reinhardt Camps, they would have studied it to death, and they would never shut up about it.
Contrast this with the Katyn Forest Massacre site which was reported to the Germans in 1943 after they occupied the area during the war and found the bodies of thousands of captured Polish officers shot execution-style in the neck by the NKVD in 1940. The Germans invited forensic experts from enemy and neutral countries to inspect the site and to vouch for the authenticity of the investigation, and otherwise internationally document the massacre.
Although the Soviets blamed the Katyn massacre on the Nazis at the Nuremberg trials, nobody bought it, and the U.S. Senate even did their own Cold War investigation during the McCarthyite era.
Unlike with the Katyn affair, no kind of Nazi massacre site has ever been found, let alone has there ever been a serious forensic investigation of alleged Nazi crime-sites.
My guess is that if forensic archaeology was ever done comprehensively at Treblinka, they would not find many graves, but they might find something like a trash pit. When Jews were conscripted for forced-labor during the war, it is possible that their confiscated baggage and other junk was sent to be sorted for recycling -- and much of it simply burned as useless trash.
There was likely some delousing/disinfection/fumigation done at Treblinka or nearby environs because the earliest Treblinka atrocity stories claim that internees were (not gassed) but being STEAMED to death like lobsters.
Well, steam pressure disinfection is one of the methods used for treating goods, clothing, baggage -- along with the delousing of people -- at border-control points. All modern armies did this in the field, and railway Cordons Sanitaire were created by the Germans and others during World War I, and afterwards by the victorious Allied powers in Poland and the Balkans. Millions of Russians died from a typhus epidemic during this time.
The typhus fever pathogen is spread from infected Jews to others via the feces of the Body (i.e., clothing) Louse. But for the most part, Western Europe was spared thanks to such decontamination efforts. Zyklon-B and later DDT greatly simplified this disinfection process.
At a border-control point at El Paso, Texas circa 1917, Mexican migrant workers were deloused and their baggage gassed by either steam or Zyklon-B. And these people themselves were forced to be deloused and bathed.
A good source on Typhus is the 1935 book by the American bacteriologist Dr. Hans Zinsser called Rats, Lice, and History: the biography of a bacillus. He noted that even New York Jews from Eastern Europe who were not lousy still had a latent (and potentially deadly) form of the typhus pathogen in their bloodstreams called Brill-Zinsser disease.
Add some cramped living conditions including some of these Jews and introduce Clothing Lice as a vector for the typhus pathogen, and you had a deadly epidemic in no time and everyone is at risk. The best (and expensive) vaccines of the day were only marginally effective against this disease.
A milder variant of typhus called Scrub Typhus was extant in Mexico at this time, but the climate of the Southwest of North America was less conducive to exanthematic or epidemic typhus (rampant in Poland, the Balkans, and Russia).
Leftist Reconquistas whine to this day about how rayciss and Genocidal it was for the Gringos to force those dirty Mehicans to delouse and to have their baggage and rail cars fumigated to keep disease out. This is what is meant by a Cordon Sanitaire. In Europe, the practice of disinfection with steam and fumigation with Zyklon-B saved millions of lives. And DDT, introduced on a massive scale in the later part of World War II by the Americans, probably saved millions of lives
I somewhat disagree with many Revisionists that TII was a Durchgangslager or Transit Camp for processing Jewish deportees. We don't know exactly how many actually set foot in these camps that the Hoaxsters claim never left alive. It is possible that the nearby train station at the small town of Treblinka did something like population transfers -- including delousings -- but it just as easily could have been done at some other place like the busy rail junctions at Malkinia-Ostrow, which is barely a road march away from Treblinka. Disinfection stations were typically located strategically to screen two-way soldier and civilian traffic at border-control points.
The three Reinhardt Camps, as they are sometimes called, were built near the old Soviet border in Eastern Poland. They were named after Fritz Reinhardt, a Nazi financial official involved in Customs assets and wartime salvage and recycling.
However, people like the late Israeli spook and Holocaust historian Yitzhak Arad claimed that these camps were "Pure Extermination Camps" (as opposed to concentration camps, Konzentrationslagern with wartime security detainees, or labor camps where people actually worked).
The fact that people incontrovertibly worked at camps like Auschwitz undermines the extermination narrative somewhat. Why kill your labor force? Arad implausibly claims that the Reinhard (sic) Camps (Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka) were named from the Christian name of Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich of the security police (assassinated by British and Czech agents in 1942).
Well, we know that Treblinka did have a work camp and a gravel quarry. Treblinka I is where most of the buildings actually were. There may have been some waste disposal and disinfection work done regionally near Treblinka -- or even done at Treblinka II, which was closer to the rail spur at the lower camp than Treblinka I.
Sobibor did work recycling Soviet ammunition for German use, and Belzec was involved in cutting timber. These camps have recently been modified with all kinds of concrete barrier Holocaust kitsch that curiously makes future forensic investigation difficult if not impossible.
At a RODOH discussion thread, a photo was posted from Sobibor of German NCOs relaxing at a cafe -- and low and behold, some of those SS men taking breaks from gassing Jews are actually wearing Customs enforcement service uniforms.
Those tricky Nazis.
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The Question: Does anyone have a good answer for the charge that when the Nazis left Treblinka , they didn't just blow up the buildings; they bulldozed everything and ordered a farmhouse and trees built on top?
The Answer: It's basically B.S. that these camps were razed, as David Cole and Holohoaxers argue.
Remember that these camps were not built to last. Typically, if infrastructure wasn't torched when abandoned by the military, locals scavenged building materials, land, etc.
Treblinka had two small camps, one on each side of a gravel quarry, the pit of which still exists today.
At the older small camp, usually called Treblinka I, you can still find the building foundations where the penal workers lived, who worked the gravel quarry.
Treblinka II was another small camp on the other side of the quarry, closer to the rail spur. There wasn't much there at all. Just a few buildings, an armory, and a kennel, which was called the Zoo, because there were also some local wild animals, like a fox, kept there.
There was a water well at TII, which is supposed to be near where the alleged gas-chambers were and the burning pyres and mass grave. This doesn't make a lot of sense since the well water would be contaminated and useless. The water table is fairly high there because the Bug River is not that far away.
Near TII and the quarry, there are some photos from Commandant Kurt Franz's wartime photo album, which shows Menck & Hambrock power shovels, i.e., dragline excavators, working on loading piles of gravel. They are not digging mass-graves, and according to construction experts in various RODOH discussions, this is not the right type of equipment for that kind of purpose anyway.
All remote camps like this have a burn pile and trash pit someplace, but the TII site has no vaunted mass grave. The very limited archaeology of the site that is allowed by Jews curiously has not found any such thing, which tells you what you need to know.
If there really was a mass-grave at Treblinka or the Reinhardt Camps, they would have studied it to death, and they would never shut up about it.
Contrast this with the Katyn Forest Massacre site which was reported to the Germans in 1943 after they occupied the area during the war and found the bodies of thousands of captured Polish officers shot execution-style in the neck by the NKVD in 1940. The Germans invited forensic experts from enemy and neutral countries to inspect the site and to vouch for the authenticity of the investigation, and otherwise internationally document the massacre.
Although the Soviets blamed the Katyn massacre on the Nazis at the Nuremberg trials, nobody bought it, and the U.S. Senate even did their own Cold War investigation during the McCarthyite era.
Unlike with the Katyn affair, no kind of Nazi massacre site has ever been found, let alone has there ever been a serious forensic investigation of alleged Nazi crime-sites.
My guess is that if forensic archaeology was ever done comprehensively at Treblinka, they would not find many graves, but they might find something like a trash pit. When Jews were conscripted for forced-labor during the war, it is possible that their confiscated baggage and other junk was sent to be sorted for recycling -- and much of it simply burned as useless trash.
There was likely some delousing/disinfection/fumigation done at Treblinka or nearby environs because the earliest Treblinka atrocity stories claim that internees were (not gassed) but being STEAMED to death like lobsters.
Well, steam pressure disinfection is one of the methods used for treating goods, clothing, baggage -- along with the delousing of people -- at border-control points. All modern armies did this in the field, and railway Cordons Sanitaire were created by the Germans and others during World War I, and afterwards by the victorious Allied powers in Poland and the Balkans. Millions of Russians died from a typhus epidemic during this time.
The typhus fever pathogen is spread from infected Jews to others via the feces of the Body (i.e., clothing) Louse. But for the most part, Western Europe was spared thanks to such decontamination efforts. Zyklon-B and later DDT greatly simplified this disinfection process.
At a border-control point at El Paso, Texas circa 1917, Mexican migrant workers were deloused and their baggage gassed by either steam or Zyklon-B. And these people themselves were forced to be deloused and bathed.
A good source on Typhus is the 1935 book by the American bacteriologist Dr. Hans Zinsser called Rats, Lice, and History: the biography of a bacillus. He noted that even New York Jews from Eastern Europe who were not lousy still had a latent (and potentially deadly) form of the typhus pathogen in their bloodstreams called Brill-Zinsser disease.
Add some cramped living conditions including some of these Jews and introduce Clothing Lice as a vector for the typhus pathogen, and you had a deadly epidemic in no time and everyone is at risk. The best (and expensive) vaccines of the day were only marginally effective against this disease.
A milder variant of typhus called Scrub Typhus was extant in Mexico at this time, but the climate of the Southwest of North America was less conducive to exanthematic or epidemic typhus (rampant in Poland, the Balkans, and Russia).
Leftist Reconquistas whine to this day about how rayciss and Genocidal it was for the Gringos to force those dirty Mehicans to delouse and to have their baggage and rail cars fumigated to keep disease out. This is what is meant by a Cordon Sanitaire. In Europe, the practice of disinfection with steam and fumigation with Zyklon-B saved millions of lives. And DDT, introduced on a massive scale in the later part of World War II by the Americans, probably saved millions of lives
I somewhat disagree with many Revisionists that TII was a Durchgangslager or Transit Camp for processing Jewish deportees. We don't know exactly how many actually set foot in these camps that the Hoaxsters claim never left alive. It is possible that the nearby train station at the small town of Treblinka did something like population transfers -- including delousings -- but it just as easily could have been done at some other place like the busy rail junctions at Malkinia-Ostrow, which is barely a road march away from Treblinka. Disinfection stations were typically located strategically to screen two-way soldier and civilian traffic at border-control points.
The three Reinhardt Camps, as they are sometimes called, were built near the old Soviet border in Eastern Poland. They were named after Fritz Reinhardt, a Nazi financial official involved in Customs assets and wartime salvage and recycling.
However, people like the late Israeli spook and Holocaust historian Yitzhak Arad claimed that these camps were "Pure Extermination Camps" (as opposed to concentration camps, Konzentrationslagern with wartime security detainees, or labor camps where people actually worked).
The fact that people incontrovertibly worked at camps like Auschwitz undermines the extermination narrative somewhat. Why kill your labor force? Arad implausibly claims that the Reinhard (sic) Camps (Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka) were named from the Christian name of Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich of the security police (assassinated by British and Czech agents in 1942).
Well, we know that Treblinka did have a work camp and a gravel quarry. Treblinka I is where most of the buildings actually were. There may have been some waste disposal and disinfection work done regionally near Treblinka -- or even done at Treblinka II, which was closer to the rail spur at the lower camp than Treblinka I.
Sobibor did work recycling Soviet ammunition for German use, and Belzec was involved in cutting timber. These camps have recently been modified with all kinds of concrete barrier Holocaust kitsch that curiously makes future forensic investigation difficult if not impossible.
At a RODOH discussion thread, a photo was posted from Sobibor of German NCOs relaxing at a cafe -- and low and behold, some of those SS men taking breaks from gassing Jews are actually wearing Customs enforcement service uniforms.
Those tricky Nazis.
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Reading through this thread recently reminded me of this image since there's quite a few similarities in the slap-fights here.
Out of curiosity I looked up TheDownvoteParade's user page only to see it is suspended. Oy vey.
Out of curiosity I looked up TheDownvoteParade's user page only to see it is suspended. Oy vey.
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Looks like CODOH got hacked and taken down. I wonder if it's anything related to kiwifarms in some way. They didn't have any contact info, but NULL might be up to doing some of their hosting duties.
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Maybe you have received the same email I got from them stating that one of the five trustees is causing major problems with paying bills and demanding an amount of cash to allow this operation to continue. I cannot say for certain but gut instinct tells me that Rudolf is following a similar path as Hunt did. If I am wrong I'll gladly admit it.Looks like CODOH got hacked and taken down. I wonder if it's anything related to kiwifarms in some way. They didn't have any contact info, but NULL might be up to doing some of their hosting duties.
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I just checked it to see if anything new was going on to discover it was down. I don't really follow it regularly.
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heebs deserve most of the bad things that happen to them
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Yikes! Seems like @History Speaks is a far-right conspiracy theorist now, spreading the age-old CANARD that jews are pimps and run the porn industry.
I expected him to be better...
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The Holocaust didn't happen but I sure do wish it did.
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"Ha ha, holocaust
Ha ha, holocaust
Ha ha, holocaust
I'm glad lots of people died" --Ha Ha Holocaust by Anal Cunt
Ha ha, holocaust
Ha ha, holocaust
I'm glad lots of people died" --Ha Ha Holocaust by Anal Cunt
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I've been saying for a while that Jews stopped being gods chosen people when they rejected the teachings of Jesus Christ their saviour.
I think I should go through his teachings and compare them to the major criticisms against Jews. Stuff like “Do to others as you would have them do to you.” in retrospect must be absolutely mind blowing concepts for a people who believe themselves to be perpetually persecuted.
I think I should go through his teachings and compare them to the major criticisms against Jews. Stuff like “Do to others as you would have them do to you.” in retrospect must be absolutely mind blowing concepts for a people who believe themselves to be perpetually persecuted.
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I think the Jewish behavior is already visible in their oldest writings.
>Oy gevalt, that wicked Pharaoh was giving us a hard time! We had to work for our living with our own hands – it was literal slavery.
>And as for the price gouging with the food, well, if we hadn't done it, someone else surely would have!
>Moses had to pull a little 'skinwalk' maneuver, blending in as an Egyptian and subverting them. Hey, it was self-defense; they were plotting to holocaust us, so Moses had to do what he had to do.
>Speaking of self-defense, we had to kill their children with blood magic to protect ourselves. It was either that or get wiped out – tough times call for tough measures!
>They hate us just because we're chosen by Yahweh. Why do these dumb goy always have to be so jealous?
>Haman thought he could build this massive gallows and kill us all, but little did he know we were already plotting his downfall.
>Esther played the leading role, pulling off a high-stakes crypto Jew operation by becoming the queen.
>Haman – he really had it out for us just because we're Jewish. Oy vey, we had to subvert Persia and kill him, he was planning to kill us.
>It's all in self defense they goyim are born with seething hate for us, so we have to kill them before they kill us.
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"The Six Million - Fact or Fiction" by Peter Winter is pretty elucidative.
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Did my own research. Seems like the Holocaust 101-301 books seem good. Found them on archive.org.