Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[deermeat]

Anyone else feel a sense of survivor's guilt regarding losing someone to this cult?
This guy had so much potential as an artist, was already off to a great start in regards to getting attention and maintaining a following. He didn't look bad physically, looked insanely normal. He's always struggled with his self esteem and has psychosis, has a problem with porn but always presented normally and never mixed his sex life with his online presence, rightfully so.
Instead of finding actual friends who would boost him up, he's fallen down a degenerate rabbit hole filled with sex obsessed alt left victim mentality freaks. He's now a MTF cuck within a polycule filled with low tier-looking tranneies and maybe 1-2 girls- but they both are openly sexual online in regards to OF. So no, none of are exclusive to him. It's literally just a hugbox where he's manipulated into thinking they actually care about him for him- even though there's a bunch of others involved in a way where no one is unique, all self obsessed too so imagine how that will impact his career if he ever slips up lmao

He looks so fucking unwell, just like all of his friends do.
He's struggled with a strict consertative upbringing and religous guilt. These people that surround him all claim to be "religious" despite their pathetic lifestyles, one even claims to be Catholic. It's literally one of those "ohhh, but we are all sinners in the end : ) why not sin? Why not give in? God will love you no matter what" situations. Like yeah we will sin, no matter what. But that doesn't mean we get a free pass to go fucking crazy about it. We shouldn't be strict in the sense where we have to feel like we are going to hell if we give into temptation- but we shouldn't just *give* into temptation freely since "we are gonna give into it regardless". In what world is that healthy? Propaganda manipulates people into thinking they can truly have a secret kinky life and still be happy people. No, you can't. Not if it's just nonstop whoredom. Basic pleasure/pain balance. There's no such thing as "happy swingers" and all that bullshit.

He deserves real friends. Real friends call each other out on their bullshit and don't fuel misery.
His life makes me feel better than mine, but damn. It's like what the fuck. How do you fall THIS hard? And what's crazy is no one is calling it out. None of his artist friends outside that lifestyle is confronting him about it, they can't or else they'll get cancelled for being "transphobic".

I hope I'm not PLing too hard, it's just the whole being an artist and trying to make a career is important to note. Though I do have to say, he's not so innocent. I have no doubt a lot of this is him trying to piggyback off of a "minority" status as his friends do the same thing. I feel like he thinks this will help his career due to the inclusivity card, it won't though. Funny how almost all trans artists are in drama or have gotten cancelled or in general their art degraded, especially the coomer ones. Gee, I wonder why.

 

[This Fucking Thing]

I've wrote out and subsequently deleted this post over a dozen times in the last year, even back on my OG account before it was lost to the Keffals Apocalypse. It's hard to not PL about it, while also giving enough detail to paint a picture of what's been going on and how I feel...Giving it another go.

A friend I've known for over a decade trooned out (ftm) in the last few years. Went from being a goth femme dom to a typical pooner manlet - all because they started dating/got engaged to another ftm (who looked like a white trailer park trash old woman instead of a man lmaooo) who convinced my friend that they're actually a gay man

After a year or so I managed to convince my friend to break up with them, especially once I found out the other pooner was claiming they were a 'system' and one of their 'alternates' was making very overt threats about eventually hurting my friend...involving cannibalism. Shit got so weird and farmers, I got mad. Pooner or not I couldn't stand by and watch my friend be subjected to abuse.

I got my friend away from that mess physically unharmed but the damage was done; they're on T now. They're also almost 40, been unemployed for over a decade, can't drive, and still lives at home, so no big surprise there I guess.

Anytime they try to talk to me about tranny stuff I just stop replying. Had to mute them on social media because they were openly discussing their masturbation habits, the growing clitdick, etc. All their favorite characters in the media they consume are now also trans, because of course they are.

idk. It's all just frustrating, disappointing, annoying.

 

[King Dead]

Anyone else feel a sense of survivor's guilt regarding losing someone to this cult?

I've had those thoughts before, "there but for the grace of God go I," and such. There have been times in my life when I was feeling alone and listless, where I could easily have fallen down a similar rabbit hole and ended up Queen Dead instead. Luckily, I was never a coomer and had support from actual friends and family, such that when I was at my lowest I was able to get back to feeling better. When I look at friends of mine that have trooned out, without exception they've been depressed or isolated, often both. It upsets me to see them going down this path and not realizing it's not making them any happier, instead doubling and tripling down on troonshit.

On the bright side, thanks to the farms and its thorough documentation of troonery, I can honestly say I will never have the urge to troon out. If I ever do, it will be due to considerable brain damage.

Anytime they try to talk to me about tranny stuff I just stop replying. Had to mute them on social media because they were openly discussing their masturbation habits, the growing clitdick, etc. All their favorite characters in the media they consume are now also trans, because of course they are.

idk. It's all just frustrating, disappointing, annoying.

As someone who had an artist friend go troon, I feel you. It's like a skinwalker replaced him, he's just not the same person I remember shooting the shit with for hours on end a decade ago. Depressed, spouting NPC lines like ACAB all the time, his feed's nothing but troonshit, and his artistic output is practically nil these days. I went back and read some old chatlogs from a few years ago and it saddens me to remember what he used to be like. Good people are being ruined by this shit, and I will never forgive anyone who coerced them down this path.

Tolkien was right, evil cannot create, it can only twist what once was good into a horrid mockery of itself.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I went back and read some old chatlogs from a few years ago and it saddens me to remember what he used to be like

It sounds like you've seen the same thing most of us have seen in troon-friends, that thing that never gets mentioned in the media. It's not that they're in a dress now, it's that they're a pod person in a dress. The dress is just what you can see at 50 paces.

I wonder if someone could work out an AI tool to compare text samples from people pre- and post-gender euphoria, and with the standard "male" and "female" writing style detection tools. Seems like they're all transitioning into something, and it's the same thing, whatever it is.

 

[King Dead]

It sounds like you've seen the same thing most of us have seen in troon-friends, that thing that never gets mentioned in the media. It's not that they're in a dress now, it's that they're a pod person in a dress. The dress is just what you can see at 50 paces.

I wonder if someone could work out an AI tool to compare text samples from people pre- and post-gender euphoria, and with the standard "male" and "female" writing style detection tools. Seems like they're all transitioning into something, and it's the same thing, whatever it is.

That's the exact same thing my admin friend said after experiencing the troon firsthand at the con, that he just felt like an NPC. He can't see him as anything but that anymore, all his sentences now have an uncanny feel to them, like he's pretending to even be a human being, let alone a woman. I don't see this anymore now that I've blocked the troon, but I feel the same way.

Funnily enough, I almost met up with him at a con a few years ago pre-troonout, but we forgot to set a place to meet up so I never did. It would have been interesting to see if he was always like this or if the hormones and such have turned him full NPC.

I'd say it's just one more example of how cultish the entire transgender movement is. The shared language, the enforced solidarity, the shunning of anyone who goes against the cult's beliefs...it's damn creepy.

 

[Aunt Carol]

he just felt like an NPC. He can't see him as anything but that anymore, all his sentences now have an uncanny feel to them, like he's pretending to even be a human being, let alone a woman. I don't see this anymore now that I've blocked the troon, but I feel the same way.

This is the same way the FtMs go, too, but the reason I always hiss and say HOMESTUCK is that they start to type like someone who's just gotten really into Homestuck fandom on tumblr used to type. Cause and effect unclear; the Homestuck fans turned into pooners and their ~meme~ just kept going.

 

[Crusty Old Sock]

One of my cousins has a kid she has 100% groomed into a troon. I didn't have a ton to do with them but he seemed like a normal if kinda sensitive kid. A few years of her publicly encouraging weird identity experiments and now the kid's on Facebook with a hooker name posting anime coomer bullshit for all the relatives to see. For a minute there he was just gay but that didn't give his mother enough prog points.

 

[Toolbox]

I suspect in the 2020s the erotic roleplaying, uh, 'scene,' is the source of the brainrot.

You can consider it a contributing factor, but ERP as one of the backbone behavioral viruses in the internet far precedes tumblr and people can and have done it on every platform known to man as long as it has a chat function. Even if it didn't have one and only had safe chat phrases. Roleplay in general is what led to grooming as it is through the hellishly interconnected, centralized web as it is now, Discord only made it easier.

 

[deermeat]

My God, man. Myyyy fucking God. With every picture this dude posts online, the more dead inside he looks. He's in his early 20s but he looks like a 50yr old grandma now. God please just have mercy on this dude. I wish I could show you guys, it's horrible. The shitty attempt makeup, the haircut, the weird smirk, the dead ass eyes.

Please God save him. Please. Please. Please. I am begging you. This is going too far. He's so fucking young too, wasting away such an important time period of his life like this. Fuck his so-called "friends". He deserves so much better. Anyone roped in this stupid cult deserves better than these disgustingly selfish people.

I just want to hug him and tell him everything is okay, I wish I could help. He doesn't deserve this level of disrespect. What's worse is that at first I encouraged this behavior, I wanted to give him support in general. I wish I didn't enable him.

 

[Lavender Moth]

Anyone else feel a sense of survivor's guilt regarding losing someone to this cult?

Often. I've mentioned it before in this thread, but a LARGE (like 7+ girls) swathe of my female friends (all of whom were a part of a large and interconnected friend group that I once cherished) all trooned at once in their early to mid 20's during the height of tumblr. Literally a troonicide pact, as several are now dead or dying due to the drugs they took. I am the only one who didn't troon to some degree. I feel extremely grateful for this, but also extremely sad.

One of my closest friends from that group who trooned along with my ex-gf (who I met through the aforementioned friend and who I broke up with the moment I found out she was about to troon behind my back) both tried to groom me into trooning with them, and for once my status as an angry autist gave me something useful. At the time it went completely over my head as to what they were trying to accomplish when my friend said, "have you ever considered the reason why you like reading all kinds of romances is because you're actually demi and bigender" or when my ex said "I don't think there is such thing as a lesbian who is cisgender. It's in your nature to be trans."

Instead of going along with it, I got mad. Real mad. I was angered that either of them would say something so viciously homophobic to me, as I had been "out" to them for almost a decade at this point, and one was literally the woman I was in a serious relationship with. Their words called to mind the logic behind the forced transitioning common in the modern day middle east, or the logic behind the lobotomizing of homosexuals in the 40's/50's. Not to mention the simple echoes of bullying I experienced as a kid, "ewwww, you can't like Digimon because you are a girl!" Instead of having the effect they wanted, their words just enraged me and made me double down on the fact that liking "male" media doesn't make me a male, and reading a romance novel regardless of whether it's straight or gay just makes me someone with the ability to enjoy a well-crafted story regardless of how "represented" I am personally by it. (I mentioned this to these people at the time, and their reactions were not pretty.) I didn't realize until I was away from the constant barrage of comments like this that "it's in your nature to be trans because you're gay" and the like is textbook grooming and the real time attempted metastization of a malignant social contagion. I only realized this several years later once I was able to ruminate upon it safely with a good therapist. (Highly recommend those in the thread who are struggling with guilt to seek out a based therapist. It's worth the search.)

I keep all of these people at arms length now (save the ex-gf, who is banished from my circle forever) but I always wish they had the level of unhinged anger and logic I had back then. In hindsight, my "bad attitude" saved me from a living hell. I feel like if they were a little bit angrier, a little bit more self-respecting, and a little more logical, they might have been able to escape the way I did but, sadly, reality sucks. I loved these people. Truly loved them. Leaving them behind to literally die has left me feeling like a soldier who left his buddies behind in a warzone. I think I will always feel a little guilty, even though they are adults who are responsible for their own headass choices.

 

[deermeat]

Spoiler: in regards to anger

HoOLY SHIT, dude my anger saved me as well!!! But for a different reason. I was dealing with Gender Dysphoria when I hit puberty. After trooning out, my friend trooned out too which made me uncomfortable because she never came across as anything boyish, she was more feminine than me in every way. She then was able to connect with other troons while I struggled to connect with anyone. Despite what they'd have you believe, the inclusive crowd is discrimatory and fake as hell. I learned that the hard way. Instead of acceptance, I got nothing due to my physical disability. It hurt. Bad. Because keep in mind, I was alone. I had no support system, and I was told these people were fighting on my side. I'd see all these posts virtue singaling and such about these issues in life and as an actual minority, I was happy to have potentially found a community that will finally accept me. But it never happened. It made me so angry. I'd see these same people accept others claiming to be trans while never putting any effort into their apparerance, claiming to be disabled while looking and sounding completely abled bodied. Complaining about the most mundane shit, doing things to put themselves in bad situations despite having the blessed ability to be able to easily pull themself out if they wanted- and then making me feel bad for crying for help when I was in a situation I had no control over. They got support and I got nothing when I needed it the most. And if anything, they made fun of me for my appearance. Kicked me while I was down. That scorn, as well my mom's geninuely violent behavoir toward me being trans, made me detrans. Physically transitioning felt impossible regardless.
It only got worse as I got older. It's always been these types of people who made me feel like shit the most. I swear to God, I've talked to literal self proclaimed alt righters who were more accepting than these clowns. These types of people are nothing but fakes and posers. I wish them all to get out of this cult, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy their suffering while they keep at this pathetic lifestyle. For what all I've been through in life, I've been through alone. All they ever did was gave me the false hope of feeling like I mattered. They've mocked my abuse and disability and then they have the audacity to virtue singal online about how much they care about social issues. They demonize and mock mental illness unless it means they can turn it into a quirky "uwu" personality trait. They piggyback off of pretending to be gay and then try to gatekeep the community from "terfs" aka actual gay people.

Actual minorites who face real-world oppression rarely ever believe in their agenda. It's good to feel anger, they are nothing more than spoiled ungrateful brats who want nothing more than an ego boost. The anger stems from being disrespected, no one should put up with that, especially not by people who boast about how supprtive and caring they are.
Figuratively speaking, these same people saw me drowning, only to turn the other way and be like "eh, they can swim" without never knowing if I could or not. Then they have the nerve to uplift their loser friends who jumped into the water on purpose. They value those peoples' lives over those who truly faced society's worse. Nothing but catty bullies. Such a destructive, predatory cult. Their isolation tatics never worked on me and only ever made me double down on how I feel after everything. They don't like it when you stand your ground, know your worth, and be indepedant, it makes you a threat in their eyes.

 

[Fapcop]

Haven't seen this thread before but I thought I'd share my story. My friend transitioned before I originally met them. she's a female to male although she didn't pass very well. It was only after I was introduced and properly acquainted that I knew she was a pooner. We got on surprisingly well, shared similar interests, memes shit like that. She's not left-wing or politically insufferable and has openly admitted to me that she's are aware she will never be a man. A great deal of my personal experience of transgenderism comes from her and to put it bluntly she was either a basket case or an attention seeker to the highest degree. Calls in the middle of night with suicide threats, claims to hear voices or have hallucinations, split personality that have all conveniently gone away now. It was that last one that sealed the deal for me in all honesty. Over the years I've distanced myself from her and have recently cut off all ties, not because of the attention seeking but because I cant bear to see someone I considered a good friend become a suicide statistic and say I stood by and supported the very cause of it, confrontation and suggestions that she was never trans would be met with tears and denial. She even has a boyfriend, instead of saving up for a house or an apartment she's saving up to have her body butchered because she was sold a lie by a bunch of mentally ill rejects at the age of 16. I gave up, I stuck with my morals because I couldn't bear to lie to her anymore. I suppose this feels more like a confession if anything, you might ask why i have an issue with it now if we were friends from the get go, well, I grew up, I learned what transgenderism is and does to people and worse of all she did as well and is still going through with it because she see no other option.

Just wanted to pass on this piece of advice I once heard, for anyone who deals with suicide threats.

REPORT THEIR ASS. CALL THE POLICE AND TELL THEM X IS SUICIDAL.

They will most likely be commited for a 48 hour psych hold.

Best case scenario: They weren’t lying and you got them the help they need.

Worst case scenario: They were lying, but at least won’t try to pull this nonsense with you again.

 

[doodoocaca]

I'm presently seeing a lot of people troon & poon to deal with some unbelievably bad trauma, put on weight from self-soothing and self medicating with food, then wondering why they're so lonely.

I cannot tell them because they're fat genderblobs. I have to bite my tongue. I can't say being a lardass is hurting things too, and it's a bad route to go down to just get fat and do nothing about it, that your life is worse and shorter in addition to being overlooked for being unattractive. I have to just fucking watch.

The worst behaviors aren't just defended, they're enabled, so someone feels better over the next few minutes, instead of over the rest of their life. I'm involved because I give a shit and want to help, but I'm completely flanked and outmaneuvered by wokeness and bullshit and cope.

Just wanted to pass on this piece of advice I once heard, for anyone who deals with suicide threats.

REPORT THEIR ASS. CALL THE POLICE AND TELL THEM X IS SUICIDAL.

They will most likely be commited for a 48 hour psych hold.

Best case scenario: They weren’t lying and you got them the help they need.

Worst case scenario: They were lying, but at least won’t try to pull this nonsense with you again.

WELCOME TO ANOTHER DOODOOCACA-LEVEL POST ABOUT HOW FUCKED UP SHIT IS.

https://sci-hub.ru/10.1007/s00127-014-0912-2 <- Yes, sci-hub, fite me irl, I'm not paying for a fucking paper. Anyway, let's discuss what this has found.

The results of a study in this issue of the Journal cast
further doubt on the appropriateness of suicide risk
assessment when patients receive hospital-based psychiatric care.
They also raise the disturbing possibility that
psychiatric care might, at least in part, cause suicide.
The study, by Hjorthøj and associates, is a nested case–
control study that compared Danish residents who died by
suicide between 1996 and 2009 with living age-, sex- and
year-matched controls. The authors describe the relationship
between suicide and the extent of psychiatric treatment in the previous year [1].
The study found that, compared to those who had no
psychiatric treatment in the previous year and after
adjustment for other risk factors: those who only received
psychiatric medication had 5.8 times the risk of suicide;
those with at most outpatient psychiatrist treatment had 8.2
times the risk of suicide; non-admitted patients who had
contact with emergency departments had 27.9 times the
risk of suicide; and admitted patients had 44.3 times the
risk of suicide. Particularly striking are the strength of the
associations between emergency room treatment and
suicide and between inpatient treatment and suicide. The
magnitude of risk ratios of nearly 30 or more for whole
groups of patients who have contact with hospital-based
services exceed both the risk of suicide associated with
major psychiatric disorders [2] and the strength of clinical
risk factors for suicide among hospitalized patients [3, 4]
by about an order of magnitude.
The strongest associations with suicide estimated by a
systematic meta-analysis of controlled studies of inpatient
suicide are prior suicide attempts, depressed mood,
hopelessness, worthlessness or guilt, and a family history of
suicide. However, each of these risk factors confers a risk
of inpatient suicide that is about fourfold when compared
to other inpatients who do not have these risk factors [3].
The strongest risk factors for suicide after discharge from
psychiatric hospitals are prior suicide attempts, and
depressive symptoms, which have a strength of association
that is below fourfold compared to other discharged
patients who do not have these risk factors [4].

For emphasis, let me repeat:

those who only received
psychiatric medication had 5.8 times the risk of suicide;
those with at most outpatient psychiatrist treatment had 8.2
times the risk of suicide; non-admitted patients who had
contact with emergency departments had 27.9 times the
risk of suicide; and admitted patients had 44.3 times the
risk of suicide.

Involuntary commitment makes you over 40 times more likely to commit suicide, fam. If you really give a shit, encourage outpatient stuff, which can sometimes be called "partial hospitalization." Coercive treatment fucks people up like you would not believe. Also, note this isn't 40%, this is forty times. That's 4000%.

If someone's a munchie, BPD, or whatever, cut them off, but unless you actually want them to kill themselves, I'd seriously look at other avenues. You have to determine for yourself how much you're willing to get involved, and how far you want to go, and what your limit is, but the facts are the facts and we can't just gloss over them.

While I'm dunking on psychiatry, I find it odd that someone had to do a fucking study to see coercion and one flew over the cuckoo's nest rachet ass shit as dehumanizing and abusive. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21532070/

Fucking spergs. It all comes down to fucking spergs. How the fuck can you not use basic empathy to grasp that shit? Whatever.

Ninja edit: Also, this is fucking Denmark. The USA? HAHAH FUCKING GOD it's so much worse.

 

[gampboonerisms]

Involuntary commitment makes you over 40 times more likely to commit suicide, fam.

Tbh you just gave a great reason on calling for a 5150 on a troon.

 

[doodoocaca]

Tbh you just gave a great reason on calling for a 5150 on a troon.

4100% when?

 

[deermeat]

Just found out he supports puberty blockers for kids, as well as prison abolition, it's joever. He's gone. Combine that with him being predatory in the past according to an ex friend, he's so fucked. There's no turning back. I await the drama and cancellation that's gonna ensure in the future.
The CIA won this one, my friends. He's been fully radicalized.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

Just found out he supports puberty blockers for kids, as well as prison abolition, it's joever. He's gone. Combine that with him being predatory in the past according to an ex friend, he's so fucked. There's no turning back. I await the drama and cancellation that's gonna ensure in the future.
The CIA won this one, my friends. He's been fully radicalized.

Call a 5150 on him. At least when he commits suicide, he won't be able to molest any more kids.

 

[doodoocaca]

Isn't it fucking sad that the only place to talk about shit like "Trooning only makes people worse" or "inpatient shit only makes people worse" is the antipodean chinese gooseberry site?

 

[deermeat]

I know I keep posting here, but then again this is a support thread and I literally have nowhere else to turn to. Terf tags on Tumblr is cool and all except I don't believe in true radfem ideology. I don't hate men. I don't even hate troons, I hate the government and all this bullshit that created troons.

It's just. A lot. I'm still dumbfounded. I don't y'all understand how much this has impacted me. Him, out of all people. He was like an idol to me. Yes, he's a shitty person- but still. To get this shitty? To become this pathetic? It hurts so bad. I don't know when the pain will go away. I feel so helpless. I can't even talk about it with ANYONE except on this site.
It haunts me. It's so fucking terrifying. He's literally apart of the collective of trannies who all sound the same. "Puppygirl" "fagdyke" "collared" "polycuke" "it/itself". And more. Almost every single profile.
Even his new name is awful. It's exactly the type of new age name you'd see a hippie call themself.

I straight up want to unalive myself over this lmao I know that sounds extreme but you gotta understand how creepy this all is. They. Are. All. The. Same. He is no longer himself. All this reflects everything I'm struggling with life right now so it feels like one big thing hovering over me. I keep praying, I feel like I woke up in another universe or something. Really fucked with my sense of reality. And at the same time, I'm disgusted by it all. To think these creeps are out there like this, to think they are accepted by the communities I share that surrounds them. Blatant sexism, ableism, degeneracy, mockery in general. You'll never know what it's like to be a real woman. I hate being one myself, I also hate being physically disabled, so seeing them disabled themselves and throw away their manhood pisses me off. How dare you be such an ungrateful coward. How dare you be such a leech to society.

It's like looking at the face of evil. The individual people may not all be evil, but the ideology certainly is.
I'm so tired of people I care about morphing into something unrecognizable before my eyes while I am unable to do a damn thing about it, even outside of troon stuff.

Where are things heading toward? Things are going okay in my life for once, it makes me feel like dark times are ahead. I wish I can turn off my empathy and block out the noise. Despite what happened, I still feel a sense of inadequacy. It's fucking with my head. The absurdity of it all, it makes me feel like I must be the one in the wrong even though I know that's not true. That maybe I must be the crazy one. That I'm the loser for detransitioning. It's so lonesome. It's so bizarre. All I have is this subsection on this godforsaken site to comfort me in the madness.

 

[Generic Name #37]

Can’t reply to you deermeat but if I had any advice to give you I would that what might help is to distance yourself from the troon and do something productive to clear your head. It’s worked for me.