Are Viruses Real?

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In short, faggots who believe the government refuses to treat them because of homophobia - hence, AIDS isn't real.
What? How does that even make any sense? If I were someone who wants treatment from the government (or from anyone else), that means I believe AIDS is real, right? Only those rejecting treatment would refuse the idea that it exists.

Some of you may think that this rejection of the idea of viruses is a new thing, but it dates back to the very first "virus" claimed to be isolated, tobacco mosaic "virus". Even in the 19th century there were already scientists calling this out as the bullshit that it is.

With "HIV-AIDS" the same thing that has repeated with "SARS-CoV-2" happened. I highly suggest for anyone who's interested in the scientific community at the time, to look into the Perth Group, who were key in dismantling the lies of people such as Anthony Fauci, who saw his career massively profit from his fraudulent involvement in the mass hysteria that was created around "the virus". There's some truth to the drug relation to some of the symptoms related to what was later dubbed "AIDS". Many gays at the time (and sadly still today) took poppers, which is a drug that supposedly has aphrodisiac effects. Most cases of "AIDS" occurred solely on those people. Highly recommend this documentary, where Kary Mullis himself raises concerns over the whole thing:
(Can't find it lol. I found a dubbed version on youtube that was titled "SIDA, la duda" a couple of years ago, but can no longer find it. I've tried looking for the English version, through "AIDS, the doubt", and nothing. It seems like it's been purged like so many other things. Can't find it on Odysee or search engines either. I have the Spanish version downloaded though, if anyone's interested I can upload it to Odysee. Just let me know. I found this on my search for what I was looking for, but haven't watched it myself, so take it as you will: https://odysee.com/@UrbeOscura:8/Truth.About.AIDS:6 )

I also highly recommend Dr. Sam Bailey's three part video series on HIV, The Yin and Yang of HIV, it goes really in depth:

have you ever smoked meth
No. I have no wish to do so either.
and fucked a man in the ass? Or, have you ever been fucked in the ass by another man?
No. I wish, though. : (
 
there were AIDS denialists who believed that all the dead gays were killed by the guvment.
I've only ever seen people demanding a treatment for AIDS from the government, implying that they believed the official narrative. I've never ever seen anyone claim that AIDS was gay people being culled by the government, unless it was in the context of "They won't give us a treatment because we don't matter to the government". Meaning, again, that they believed in its existence.

But I'm really interested, maybe I just missed what you're saying, do you have any examples? Not trying to have a "gotcha" moment, just very curious.
 
You fucked yourself in less than two lines.
>Let them cough all over you, see if you don't get sick
>Yes some poeple won't get sick
>Must be that MY belief is correct and his CLEARLY cannot be.
Sometimes a nuclear bomb fizzles out, clearly this means nuclear energy is totally fake and made up by the science Jews. If every single person exposed to the influenza virus gets influenza or otherwise has antibodies against influenza in their system, and this influenza virus can be identified under a microscope with junk scraped from a person and then cultured, and this culture can be injected into someone else, that sounds like pretty good evidence this little particle is what gets people sick.
You argue like some retarded faggot on reddit. All bluster and smug dismissal with no substance. Appeal to perceived authority and concensus and total failure to refute the sources he cites or prove your case. If you have nothing, why are you continuing to rail against him? Are you personally injured he doesn't believe in your dogmas or are you desperate for updoots and a feeling of being On The Right Side Of Xirstory® ?
His claim was "viruses totes not real" and I gave a simple example of how he is wrong. BTW care to demonstrate how rain is not caused by winged elephants taking a piss on us from the sky? I'm using the exact same logic our flat earther AIDS man here is using.
The link he provided isn't even conclusive. Really, the language is this same old, "the symptoms are consistent with" and they never call it a spade.

Because the practice is fucked. No two doctors agree on anything fundamental anymore because they know too many variables escape their purview.

And, yet, whenever you bring this to term online, all the non-experts who saw CGI videos of what viruses supposedly do will tell you life's greatest mysteries were solved in the last century, science did it, and only fools will question it.

It's pure dogma.
Riiiiiiiiiiight, and some guy who makes Rumble videos and claims to have overturned 100+ years of scientific discoveries is clearly the one worth listening to instead of assessing every claim on its own basis. If Dr. Bam Sailey says that geology is fake and Earth is hollow and volcanoes are actually smokestacks for where the dwarves and their pet dragons are building mountains, and some internet rando who believes Dr. Bam Sailey says that it's a massive conspiracy and isn't fair no one listens to him, I'm going to assume that nobody listens to him for a very good reason.
One has only to look at the vaccines that have been manufactured in the last 4 years to realize this, but somehow it's this ludicrous concept that the very field that birthed these vaccines is also full of shit? Okay, then.
So where's all the smallpox these days? Or polio for that matter. Due to mass vaccination campaigns using vaccines that actually work, there has not been a single recorded case of the former illness anywhere in the world and the latter illness is pretty limited to abject shitholes and gimmegrants emigrating from there. Polio is so rare you're more likely to get the virus because of poorly storied vaccines. Based on your theory of spontaneous generation, something that matches the symptoms of these diseases should still exist, but somehow they don't.
Like virologists do all the time? Redefining isolation and purification, ignoring observable facts here and there, inserting their assumptions here and there, without need of proof (why even mention controls at this point), without sound methodologies or without any real want to engage in the scientific method. Whenever you post it's from a place of wild assumption that proves you haven't taken any time to investigate what I'm saying in any serious capacity. Like you said yourself, you're not willing to engage seriously, so I'm not gonna waste my time with you any further. I'd rather talk to the nearest wall, I'll probably get a more productive and interesting conversation.
Virology is consistently rooted in the scientific method because the claims virologists make are repeatible and reproducible. If they weren't, then you'd probably be dead of the smallpox-totally-not-virus. You clearly refuse to engage with the actual claims virology makes (hence why you don't know what the term "isolate" means in a medical context) and instead interpret it through the lens of a random loon on the internet because you want to believe that.

Look, it's okay to believe you've discovered hidden truth and are smarter than the rest of us for believing us, but you shouldn't be surprised when you get called a brainlet for believing silly things.
 
His claim was "viruses totes not real" and I gave a simple example of how he is wrong. BTW care to demonstrate how rain is not caused by winged elephants taking a piss on us from the sky? I'm using the exact same logic our flat earther AIDS man here is using.
The irony, my goodness. This is the logic, you and every virologist under the Sun use. Viruses are real because we say so. Or, to give a concrete example, out of the virologists' own playbook, because we mashed the brains of some chickens and some chemicals in a delicious concoction and injected it onto the brains of some other chickens. When the chickens got sick, that was the proof that a virus exists.
Please, deny that this is the kind of
consistently rooted in the scientific method
shenanigans that virologists engage in, and that are the basis of virology.

"repeatable and reproducible" Sometimes they are. Of course injecting foreign biological material + toxic chemicals into the brain of a chicken is going to cause that chicken to be unwell every single time. That doesn't constitute proof of the existence of any supposed "viral particle".
 
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So where's all the smallpox these days? Or polio for that matter. Due to mass vaccination campaigns using vaccines that actually work, there has not been a single recorded case of the former illness anywhere in the world and the latter illness is pretty limited to abject shitholes and gimmegrants emigrating from there. Polio is so rare you're more likely to get the virus because of poorly storied vaccines.
Can you provide proof that smallpox, the virus, was ever isolated? Can you provide proof that polio was ever isolated? Can you prove that "mass vaccination campaigns using vaccines [lol]" actually work? There are known causes other than poison injections for the erradication of these diseases, but please provide the proof of your claims. I'm ready to do so myself.
Based on your theory of spontaneous generation, something that matches the symptoms of these diseases should still exist, but somehow they don't.
Gotta love how intellectually dishonest you are, it's impressive, honestly. What theory of spontaneous generation, again? I don't recall to have ever claimed any such theory. Please refresh my memory.
You're speaking from the assumption that the only thing that can erradicate a certain set of symptoms, or a disease, is a vaccine. No other cause in the world, not even the so called "herd immunity" that alligns with the virus model (and I don't believe in, of course) could make it so that entire populations are unaffected by a so called virus. Interesting.

If every single person exposed to the influenza virus gets influenza or otherwise has antibodies against influenza in their system, and this influenza virus can be identified under a microscope with junk scraped from a person and then cultured, and this culture can be injected into someone else, that sounds like pretty good evidence this little particle is what gets people sick.
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A lot of unproven "Ifs" right there.
 
Can you provide proof that polio was ever isolated?
I don't know what you mean by proof, but Vincent Racaniello genetically cloned polio by manually reading out (using reverse transcription to turn the RNA into DNA) and aligning the DNA sequences until he got the whole genome, then he was able to clone it as much as he wanted using standard DNA techniques, and then when he injected the DNA into uninfected cells, they started producing polio viruses of the same serotype.
 
I don't know what you mean by proof, but Vincent Racaniello genetically cloned polio by manually reading out (using reverse transcription to turn the RNA into DNA) and aligning the DNA sequences until he got the whole genome, then he was able to clone it as much as he wanted using standard DNA techniques, and then when he injected the DNA into uninfected cells, they started producing polio viruses of the same serotype.
Racaniello is featured in A Farewell to Virology. I really wish you'd read it, but oh, well. You have your ideas and don't want them challenged, and that is that. I get it, it's more comfortable that way.
genetically cloned polio
From...? Where was the DNA of polio taken from? In order to physically isolate polio, you need polio first. You can't claim that whatever genetic sequences are "polio" if you haven't established what is polio first. So did our dear Racaniello ever physically isolate polio, and not just magically input some DNA sequences of unknown provenance into a computer programme?
 
just magically input some DNA sequences of unknown provenance into a computer programme
No computer program involved, he did it manually.
Where was the DNA of polio taken from?
The DNA was converted from viral RNA using a retrovirus reverse transcriptase. The virus was isolated using plaque purification and serotyped using previously collected antibodies.
You can't claim that whatever genetic sequences are "polio" if you haven't established what is polio first.
Yes, obviously, that's why he verified it was polio of the correct serotype at the end. There was no other viruses or exogenous DNA sequences in the culture.
 
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Care to share how these "antibodies" were "collected"? Let's see if we can pull out some truth out of this interaction.
Is your concern a lack of specificity? They didn't really have monoclonals back then but they have them now.
 
The DNA was converted from viral RNA using a retrovirus reverse transcriptase. The virus was isolated using plaque purification and serotyped using previously collected antibodies.

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Care to share how these "antibodies" were "collected"? Let's see if we can pull out some truth out of this interaction.
I'd like to clarify, do you have a link to the paper in which the "isolation" of these "antibodies" is described?

Yes, obviously, that's why he verified it was polio of the correct serotype at the end. There was no other viruses or exogenous DNA sequences in the culture.
What culture? Where did the culture come from? How was the culture performed? What cells were used in this culture?

Relevant to all this talk of "isolation" (from A Farewell to Virology):
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I'd like to clarify, do you have a link to the paper in which the "isolation" of these "antibodies" is described?
I haven't read the paper, but John Enders, Thomas H. Weller, and Frederick C. Robbins did most of the basic research needed to get the polio vaccine developed, including working on serotyping (using antibodies) and isolation.

What culture? Where did the culture come from? How was the culture performed? What cells were used in this culture?
I could look more carefully, but if the only virus in the culture was introduced by transfecting the polio DNA, and it replicates and causes the cytopathic effect, what's the problem? You've got a virus there, and you can identify what one you have (and yes, it has to be almost exactly one, because you only put one DNA sequence in and it won't mutate much in the time you gave it).
Relevant to all this talk of "isolation" (from A Farewell to Virology):
I'm obviously not giving up on viruses existing, but lets say they did not exist or worked in a entirely different way to how is currently understood, that's not a fatal problem to vaccines. Drugs working empirically (i.e. not designed using true scientific principles) does not prevent them from being FDA approved. The best single evidence for vaccines in general is when in 1942 Wolters and Dehmel took baseline antibody readings, vaccinated themselves, took readings again, then injected themselves with multiple lethal doses of tetanus toxin. For viruses there is nothing that dramatic (probably due to a lack of scientists that are that suicidal but can still get published in a good journal), but rabies in animal models is a pretty good one.
 
I haven't read the paper
But of course you haven't.
but John Enders, Thomas H. Weller, and Frederick C. Robbins did most of the basic research needed to get the polio vaccine developed, including working on serotyping (using antibodies) and isolation.
You're googling this stuff as you go, aren't you? Enders. You bring up Enders. This John Enders?
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I was going to go through the study where you claim polio is isolated, by those three, but I'm not about to pay for it:
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But of course you haven't.

You're googling this stuff as you go, aren't you? Enders. You bring up Enders. This John Enders?
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Right, "cytopathic effects which superficially resemble those resulting from infection by the measles agents may possibly be induced by other viral agents present monkey kidney tissue or by unknown factors", but if you use a sterile culture then transfect only a single DNA sequence, won't that show it's pretty much only one virus? Or do you think cells handle DNA a different way than most people do?
 
but if the only virus in the culture was introduced by transfecting the polio DNA, and it replicates and causes the cytopathic effect, what's the problem? You've got a virus there
This circular reasoning is exhausting. There are a lot of parallels between virology acolytes and gender ideologues. "A woman is whoever identifies as a woman".
"If the only virus in the culture was introduced by transfecting the polio DNA" ... and how was the polio DNA "transfected" into the culture, if you haven't isolated polio first? I don't think it's this hard of a concept to grasp. Isolation: to separate something from other somethings. "and it replicates and causes the cytopathic effect" if you have no isolation it is impossible for you to prove replication of any kind. Cytopathic effects can occur, as proved by Stefan Lanka by the laboratory process itself. No need for any "virus".
Do you see the problem with your circular reasoning?
 
and how was the polio DNA "transfected" into the culture, if you haven't isolated polio first?
If you got the DNA sequence wrong it would just produce garbage, right?
Cytopathic effects can occur
Sure *can*, but won't that make plaque assays hard to explain if that's what always happens? How do you explain lower concentrations of virus causing less plaques?
I was going to go through the study where you claim polio is isolated, by those three, but I'm not about to pay for it:
Ask someone who still has institutional access to DM or email it to you. Or I've heard a certain site exists...
 
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