Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Captain Manning]

Cyberfrog and ISOM are two incredibly ORDINARY comic books. There is nothing objectively to say that one is any better than the other.

Agreed. I think they both kinda suck from an artistic and writing standpoint. I have no intention of buying ISOM or Cyberfrog.

But EVS trying to make this about artistic quality now is him blatantly moving the goal posts to suit the current lay of the land.

Again, he established long ago that the standard for success was how well your book sells. He established that standard. Nobody else. Nobody is imposing that upon him. He painted himself into that corner because everybody was on his ass about other creators getting books out on time. It was his old tried standby cope for everything because it was the one aspect of his prior success where he thought he'd always be dominant.

I dunno, maybe the CG Kings should grovel to Liam in the off-chance it turns out to be true.

Oh, NOW who's looking to goad people into doing stupid shit!

I see how this works!

evs is usually late and have big ego. But people get their books eventually and usually the art is top notch.

Ethan is not the greatest artist ever, but yes technial drawing skill as you called it or coloring is really above the ordinary. Have you read the book yet?
isom is way inferior product and why are you sugarcoating it?
writing and story of cyberfrog is way better than isom no matter how you look it and paneling is no chainsawman or watchmen paneling but it works, better than most generic possible work of isom.

I kid. But you do sound like you have your head up Ethan's ass.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Ethan is not the greatest artist ever, but yes technial drawing skill as you called it or coloring is really above the ordinary. Have you read the book yet?
isom is way inferior product and why are you sugarcoating it?
writing and story of cyberfrog is way better than isom no matter how you look it and paneling is no chainsawman or watchmen paneling but it works, better than most generic possible work of isom.
(Not to mention other things but just superheroes name in general, what kind of name is isom)
just try comparing two books cover by cover, pages by pages ,
what you says " Cyberfrog and ISOM are two incredibly ORDINARY comic books. There is nothing objectively to say that one is any better than the other." is a fallacy.

Who cares if it's an inferior product? Who appointed you imbeciles to be the judge and jury for everyone else with the power to damage an unrelated third party's business? Who the fuck do you people think you are?

Remember when CG started it was borne out of outrage for the big names rewriting classic stories, retconning characters and their genders along with a lack of care of the fanbase? How has Eric July broken any of those? If he decides to sell a flip-book of stick-figures on a packet of Post-It notes what business is it of EVS or yours?

Let me guess, you were picked on, made fun of and bullied a lot your entire life. The people who do that to you were right. You're garbage.

 

[GPRIMACADO]

That's just your delusions talking again, stalker. Enjoy prison. Why are all the cows I watch like this.

 

[Captain Manning]

Who cares if it's an inferior product? Who appointed you imbeciles to be the judge and jury for everyone else with the power to damage an unrelated third party's business? Who the fuck do you people think you are?

Mint Salad?

I'm only half joking too. Ralph recently had a "reunion" stream where he was talking with her, Riley, and Digibro, and Mint was going on and on about how Eric July is an evil person because "art is forever" or some shit.

It was the most cringe thing ever. Total airhead.

And I wouldn't exactly be shocked if she had a sock on the Farms. Or anybody in Dick's crack pack, for that matter.

I might go see if I can find a clip to share here. @Mister Dongs would probably find it amusing. I seem to recall he likes laughing at the Simpcast bimbos.

 

[Spill Beans]

All this talk of tracing got me thinking about a video from a long time ago. Frog himself explained his own use of tracing. In light of recent events... LULz
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[Fleetwood]

Wow this is more pages of messages in one day than in a year+ here

: Has there been any new Fables comics since Bill Willingham released Fables into Public Domain?

Not that I know of. What the youtubers and clickbaiters failed to follow up on was that while Willingham "released" it DC comics stated they would pursue legal action, and it's some kind of 50/50 deal between them. The whole thing is stupid anyway because all the fairy tale characters are already public domain.

so its true..... Comicsgate is filled with arrested development man children who is still stuck in the 90s and thinks that the 90s extreme comics were the best era for comics.

Always was.

If Ethan wasn't such a fat boomer faggot, he might realize working digitally could save him a ton of time and money in the long run. A

As someone already mentioned this would not make EVS in particular workflow faster. If he's on a computer he's going to stream or watch someone else's stream or tweet, not work. Plus he wouldn't be able to pad his campaign numbers with original art for sale.

Cyberfrog and ISOM are two incredibly ORDINARY comic books. There is nothing objectively to say that one is any better than the other.

Not significantly, but Cyberfrog has some verifiably drawn elements. Something I have never liked about Cyberfrog is Kyle Ritter's colors, he is just as lazy as this ISOM artist using stock photos as textures and backgrounds. It makes Van Sciver's already too busy work a visual nightmare. Really EVS work is so busy it should be presented in black and white because that's already too much detail, and also it would save time (2 years instead of 3?).

1. cyberfrog coloring is good,i agree.

No, see above. Also the guy is a sped and got caught tracing Frazetta before.

Also crying about assets being used when Marvel do it lmao.

The whole fucking point of Comicsgate and adjacent youtube complainers is Le Marvel bad. "Based black man" Rippa is supposed to do better. Absolutely should be roasted for doing the same shit as Marvel/DC including shoddy art and hiring feminists (Slutska Sisters). In reality there exists really high quality art and artists even in some Marvel/DC work current day. If you think Isom is good or anything more than merely acceptable, get higher standards. It's a book anyone only supports if they like Rippa or hate Vito/Dax/EVS. His upcoming Yaira and Goodyng do have a chance of being marginally better cape slop we'll see. It is what it is and what it is is GHEY.

 

[GPRIMACADO]

The whole fucking point of Comicsgate is Le Marvel bad. "Based black man" Rippa is supposed to do better. Absolutely should be roasted for doing the same shit as Marvel/DC including shoddy art and hiring feminists (Slutska Sisters). In reality there exists really high quality art and artists even in some Marvel/DC work current day. If you think Isom is good or anything more than merely acceptable, get higher standards. It's a book anyone only supports if they like Rippa or hate Vito/Dax/EVS. His upcoming Yaira and Goodyng do have a chance of being marginally better cape slop we'll see. It is what it is and what it is is GHEY.

However Rippa isn't comicsgate nor is he beholden to those CG standards. If he trusts a artist to do his job in any capacity and the work is fulfilled, customer orders fulfilled then by crowdfunding standards he's clean.
By DC/Marvel standards that is his artist 100%, should there be a standard he oversees his artist? Somewhat, but imagine being a stickler and telling a industry veteran how to do his job vs never being in the industry at all.

 

[Strix454]

Really EVS work is so busy it should be presented in black and white because that's already too much detail, and also it would save time (2 years instead of 3?).

Probably not. The Coloring and digital "redrawing" of Ethan's art tends to be done in parallel with Ethan's drawing and tends to be done rather quickly. The slow thing in all of Ethan's campaigns so far is hands-down Ethan's page production rate. He produces one page every couple weeks. Never seemingly faster than that.

He puts enormous amounts of inked detail into the art he is producing but that detail is inevitably lost when the art is digitally re-drawn as part of the "coloring" process. Given the end product, it would probably be way more efficient for him to provide crude pencil breakdowns for everything to be done from. Though he would lose the money from the original art sales which he seems to value highly.

 

[Miniluv]

As someone already mentioned this would not make EVS in particular workflow faster. If he's on a computer he's going to stream or watch someone else's stream or tweet, not work. Plus he wouldn't be able to pad his campaign numbers with original art for sale.

Right, that's where the "fat boomer faggot" part comes in. Ethan's laziness when it comes to actually making comics means he'll never be bothered to try making the effort to learn something even if it would help him in the long run. The learning process requires more discipline than Ethan is capable of. He'd rather stuff his face and talk shit on streams than have to learn something.

He puts enormous amounts of inked detail into the art he is producing but that detail is inevitably lost when the art is digitally re-drawn as part of the "coloring" process. Given the end product, it would probably be way more efficient for him to provide crude pencil breakdowns for everything to be done from. Though he would lose the money from the original art sales which he seems to value highly.

You can tell he wants to call out people like Renie as not being "real" artists, because they're not slaving away over a piece of Bristol board, drawing each individual strand of a character's hair with a needle. Instead he opts for the concern troll route, lamenting their "missed opportunities for additional revenue streams". Commissions are still a thing last time I checked and I'm sure some paypig would love to pay a few grand for a drawing of Heather Swain's meticulously detailed 80's perm or whatever, even if it's a couple years behind schedule.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Mint Salad?

I'm only half joking too. Ralph recently had a "reunion" stream where he was talking with her, Riley, and Digibro, and Mint was going on and on about how Eric July is an evil person because "art is forever" or some shit.

It was the most cringe thing ever. Total airhead.

And I wouldn't exactly be shocked if she had a sock on the Farms. Or anybody in Dick's crack pack, for that matter.

I might go see if I can find a clip to share here. @Mister Dongs would probably find it amusing. I seem to recall he likes laughing at the Simpcast bimbos.

I know fuck-all about art. Comic books are gay and comic book people are f'n weirdos.

That said I really can't tell the difference between a page drawn by Narwhal and what I've seen of ISOM. Narwhal is considered as some prodigy though I guess.

It's just disgusting to me that EVS simps are pretending this manufactured beef has to do with anything ELSE other than EVS being made a fool of by July's financial success and quick fulfillment. That's all there is to it. That man has sold absolute trash to his audience but that was OK so long as he and his IGG friends got a cut. I can imagine him reading this laughing his ass off in disbelief how he was able to assemble such a tard squad willing to defend this.

 

[huckbeine]

I am sick of hearing people talking like cyberfrog and isom have same quality.
evs is usually late and have big ego. But people get their books eventually and usually the art is top notch. There aren't that many comics with this much quality anymore. while isom rely heavily on ready made assets and basically minimal human touch.

My god , I am talking about comic book quality and your only defense is this?
are you single digit iq? or are you in vito's dating pool?

are we doing this again? seriously? are we fucking seriously fucking doing this fucking shit again?

Too long, too lazy to explain, but EVS is a shitty artist who hides his mediocre art with greeble. so i'll just leave a sample of his mediocre art

 

[Fleetwood]

However Rippa isn't comicsgate nor is he beholden to those CG standards. If he trusts a artist to do his job in any capacity and the work is fulfilled, customer orders fulfilled then by crowdfunding standards he's clean.
By DC/Marvel standards that is his artist 100%, should there be a standard he oversees his artist? Somewhat, but imagine being a stickler and telling a industry veteran how to do his job vs never being in the industry at all.

Hence edit -"and adjacent youtube complainers". People are allowed to call out shit art, and if the shit art publisher is just making excuses it loses sales. Just like Marvel/DC. Take it easy, I have my doubts about you being able to interact with the public there fella.

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

The way I see it, the reason southpawdagon is getting pushback is the same reason people don't care about analyzing ISOM's art.
This is the CG thread. A lot of the people here have been following the "movement" since the beginning. A bunch are former EVS customers.

So when EVS starts ranting about subpar products, even setting aside the multi-year delays, the lack of communication and the "subjective" art & story quality, people still remember the toilet paper Cyberfrog 1 was printed on and its bent aluminum cover. They remember the Warts & All Omnibus Hardcover and the pages being stuck together because of the ink.

Did you know he still sells those hardcovers? Occasionally some dumb fuck will superchat him to tell him how he got his Omnibus, but the pages were stuck together. And EVS will just nod and read the next superchat.

These aren't good products, they're a gamble, and EVS is a fat hypocrite trying to misdirect. Simple as.

 

[Pippa's Greasy KB]

Here is an example of ordinary art. The proportions are wrong. Perspective is off. and you have two front-on human characters that look like they were pasted from clipart in the background. And I'm no expert in inconsistent "light sources" like Nick Rekeita was in his ISOM art analysis, but I do kind of wonder what applying Nick's rules would say about the lighting in this art.

This whole thing is the reverse of kubo tite's "the heart" lmao. Like, okay, he used a whole page for one panel, not really an issue when he gets to decide his own pages unlike artists who have a quota of pages he has to meet and wants to be lazy but this is so over done I wonder if it's actually worth the time taken to do this. I'm the type of reader who can appreciate and go "whoa this is so detailed" when I read stuff like berserk but I don't typically stop and gawk at panels for more than 10 seconds nor do I do 2nd rereads to just focus on the art. I'm also the type of person who prefers the dialogue sections over the action sequences in war/action movies though. I guess EVS audience can all be the type opposite of me but I still just can't see it as worth it.

 

[zyclonPD]

This is the CG thread. A lot of the people here have been following the "movement" since the beginning. A bunch are former EVS customers.

From my perspective I've never cared about comic books and never bought them before CG became a thing. I've been burnt out on the idea of continuing to buy them going further because of the multi year wait on them. Personally I don't really care for EVS, any of his former or current CG people or Eric July. Probably the only person in CG I had any deeper connection with was Tenapel because I use to listen to FiveIronFrenzy and he did their album art plus the Earth Work Jim connection.

I kinda can see the angle of using 3D assets to generate comics on the cheap as a deal breaker for some and don't know or care about its historic uses. At this point maybe AI could spit out comics if that's what its going to be. Eric not being forthcoming about it is weird to me. The rank forming around Eric has been funny too. It just shows that all YouTubers are subhuman clout goblins that shouldn't be part of polite society. Even your Gary Becklers are faggots in certain circumstances and none of them are capable of being genuine if something bruises their ego.

I do enjoy Internet Bloodsports and watching a trash fire, so EVS doing trashcast has been interesting for that at least. Its mutually assured destruction at the end of the day but I like neither of them and only stand to gain in comedy from watching them both burn themselves down. I hope they both make -1,000,000 dollars and get kicked off jewtube.

 

[PaladinBoo]

I do enjoy Internet Bloodsports and watching a trash fire, so EVS doing trashcast has been interesting for that at least. Its mutually assured destruction at the end of the day but I like neither of them and only stand to gain in comedy from watching them both burn themselves down. I hope they both make -1,000,000 dollars and get kicked off jewtube.

Indeed. Both Comicsgate and the Fandom Menace have had this coming. The best part is if the Fandom Menace comes in and tells EVS; "You're buddies with Vito the Pedo", all EVS has to say back is; "And you're all buddies with Rags, the zoophile furry who grooms minors on Discord by showing them fury porn." Or; "Vito tries to deplatform people all the time by striking their YouTube channels", again, all EVS has to say is; "And your buddy MauLer tried to false flag and deplatform a YouTuber who was criticizing him and his buddies." This shit storm is going to be fucking great. These people are all scumfucks who have had this coming. We are about to see the end of both Comicsgate and the Fandom Menace. Looks like my 2024 bingo card is off to a good start.

 

[سلیمان عثمان]

EDIT: template

 

[TheSoutherStar]

waiting a while knowing your comic is actively being drawn is one thing, seeing the artist in real time doing nothing and streaming all day all week and be okay with it, is another. absolute cuck behavior imo.

 

[Miniluv]

This whole thing is the reverse of kubo tite's "the heart" lmao. Like, okay, he used a whole page for one panel, not really an issue when he gets to decide his own pages unlike artists who have a quota of pages he has to meet and wants to be lazy but this is so over done I wonder if it's actually worth the time taken to do this. I'm the type of reader who can appreciate and go "whoa this is so detailed" when I read stuff like berserk but I don't typically stop and gawk at panels for more than 10 seconds nor do I do 2nd rereads to just focus on the art. I'm also the type of person who prefers the dialogue sections over the action sequences in war/action movies though. I guess EVS audience can all be the type opposite of me but I still just can't see it as worth it.

Ethan's drawing streams (back when those were a somewhat regular thing for him) were the first place I'd seen a Copic multiliner 0.03.
It's pretty much a hypodermic needle with ink in it. I was kind of impressed by the possibilities of such minute line work but had the same thought you did. How can any reader appreciate that kind of fine line once the pages have been resized for printing? Why spend that much time and effort on a page the average reader will spend a few seconds at most looking at?

The other side of the coin is Geof Darrow, who actually draws details. EVS doesn't do real detail, he's just a hyperactive inker going overboard with hatching and feathering every millimeter of a piece. It doesn't need to be looked at for longer than it takes to read the dialog.
Darrow's stuff practically begs the reader to study it and find little surprises:

If Ethan's books looked like that, I don't think anyone would complain about the time he took drawing it.

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This fat fuck spent 20 hours of the last 4 days talking shit about Eric July lmao

 

[Todd_from_theGolfClub]

I honestly think Ethan used to be a very decent artist. That's why DC had him around for so long, even with him creating conflicts with colleagues and drama in the company. Then they got tired of him and found an excuse to let him go. I heard only Geoff knew how to deal with his retarded ass.
Anyway, now his art got worse...

Before:

Now:

I have no problem with the old art, it looks good, Heather looks hot, cyberfrog looks badass. And let's not forget during the old days artists were super limited.

Now the recent ones... where to start... :S That bear... I understand it's supposed to be a parody and comedy stuff... but even so, what's up with the random emoji on that bear? And the bear just looks AI-made... they all look AI-made, except for the main character. It looks lazy.

Then the new Heather ... her whole body looks weird. It doesn't feel like she's lying in bed, it feels like she's floating. Her facial expression is retarded. The shadow in her hand just looks like the artist messed up the hand so he just covered it with a random shadow. Only her hair looks good (EVS specialty). Sal's face also looks strange. Nothing badass about this picture (supposedly a cover? I dunno...)

I usually don't talk shit about other artists' art, but because he's going full hate on Rippa's artists (i know there are a lot of problems with the isom books, but usually artists don't trash other artists like that), I think it's time for people to start to acknowledge that Ethan's art is becoming trash. Maybe, just like Malin, he's going blind.