Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Cave Fisher]

The scene about Vaggie's past really just kinda sucks.
The pacing is one of the most critiqued thing about this how, but it's just THAT bad, even in individual scenes, Vaggie's backstory flashback looks like some abridged version of it that they had to rush out as quickly as possible. We don't know what the other exterminators thought of her, how long she was in there, or why Lute let her live and didn't immediately chase down that child she let go.
Do the angels' training not account for them feeling basic empathy? Because you'd think Lute would hammer it in their heads not to spare a single soul. What was Charlie doing just hanging out in random alleyways right after an extermination? Why did she seemingly fall for some random survivor right there, she could have been just another murder or rapist in hell, or something.

Adam is the best part about that scene, though, because as much as the show wants us to hate him, he easily has the best line delivery and comedic timing, even if his every line of dialogue sounds like it's written by a middle schooler.

Wait, now that I think about it, who's fucking kid was that? Only hellborn can have kids, and as far as we know, the only hellborn who hang out in the pride ring are imps.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Charlie doesn't give a shit about sinners now, she doesn't seem to care about saving them because the plot has changed from solving overpopulation to proving Heaven wrong about redemption, and if she accomplishes that what's the next step? the exterminations end and the hotel closes, or they continue and it becomes a war which changes the premise of the show.

the idea of the Hotel is becoming obsolete, without new residents after months, they are not going to redeem Angel because it would change the status quo of the show, so Sir P has to be the redeemed one who since how easy it is to get into Heaven will not change his feelings that much. apparitions.

It also takes 6 months and only one soul goes to heaven after a selfless act, this is a process that is not only slow but also unreliable if an event is going to happen that provides the ideal conditions for ascension.
There is no discussion about the procedures or the logistics of the thing, the show has no focus and we will have a resolution in two episodes that I doubt will address the Hotel's problems

If the Redemption plotline is actually followed with on, especially if Pent turned out to ascend instead of truly being killed, you could go into detail of what the whole 'We don't know what makes someone get into Heaven or Hell' point, but with how season 1 has turned out it's just going to be revealed in a single episode and if it doesn't have to do with Eve or Roo, it will be resolved in the same episode.

I think it will be something stupid though by revealing a ton of good people go Hell and bad people go to Heaven so it's all just random bullshit, despite the fact every single Sinner in the show has been shown to be a sociopath to some extent.

>'HAZBIN HOTEL' had the largest global debut for a new animated series on Prime Video.
This show ain't going anywhere, is it?

TBF what's it's competition? It has what very few other 'new animated series on Prime Video' have which is a firmly established and decently sized fanbase.

 

[Guysho]

Okay, I’m bored right now. I may as well make myself suffer by watching episodes five and six. Does anyone know where I can watch those? The four episodes I watched were on a website that doesn’t have the two yet.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8rsqek
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8rsqic

 

[Local Degenerate]

Another minor nitpick is that Adam's arguments about Angel were so easy to disprove, a literal child could do it.

He showed Angel being strong, resisting temptation, before finally being coaxed into it by his environment, showing obvious, and notable, progress, a willingness to improve, but being hampered by his surrondings. The fact that Charlie didn't turn that around to strengthen her argument by pointing out that he's clearly reached a stage where he would be helped by being removed from the constant peer pressure and temptation of hell proves to me she is actually, genuinely retarded.

Also, Em. I think her name was, proves that Viv can only write about 3 characters: 'Dickhead, overly chipper naive waif, and dickhead with daddy issues.'

Wait, now that I think about it, who's fucking kid was that? Only hellborn can have kids, and as far as we know, the only hellborn who hang out in the pride ring are imps.

Is that true? If that's the case, then how did Carmine have two daughters?

Christ, Viv's world building is shit.

Actually, it just occurred to me, we've ALL been cutting the show a SHIT ton of slack. The pilot isn't canon. If it was, it would be included in the episode. If we go by JUST what is shown on the amazon listing, EVEN MORE problems open up.

Jesus fucking Christ, this show is a matryoshka doll of retardation.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

Is that true? If that's the case, then how did Carmine have two daughters?

To be fair, I think she had them in life, and her whole family just went to Hell. There is also a chance that she might be some sort of fallen angel creature too instead of a sinner, since she has some of that aesthetic. Angels clearly don't have a rule against harming each other.

I mean, if we are actually going by Christianity, children can sin and go to Hell. In fact, if you fail to baptize them and they die soon after birth, they go to Hell. The permababies in Hell would be incredibly easy targets for these angels. Maybe that's why they are so rare, child and baby souls are the first to go in a purge.

Disobedience to your parents is a sin. Probably the reason Heaven doesn't have enough souls in it to fight back against Hell is because they are so particular about who gets it you have 5% of everyone who lived in Heaven and 95% in Hell. They basically created their own problem.

I wonder if part of the reason this is a musical is because musicals are supposed to let you stuff more plot points into less time? Two songs let you cram in a lot of plot that probably would have been better paced out over a longer series.

 

[ReceiveAndAsk]

Okay, I’m bored right now. I may as well make myself suffer by watching episodes five and six. Does anyone know where I can watch those? The four episodes I watched were on a website that doesn’t have the two yet.

popcorntimeonline.xyz

 

[jspit2.0]

>'HAZBIN HOTEL' had the largest global debut for a new animated series on Prime Video.
This show ain't going anywhere, is it?

That's depressing as hell. But then again, it's competition is Invincible or whatever, right?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I wonder if part of the reason this is a musical is because musicals are supposed to let you stuff more plot points into less time? Two songs let you cram in a lot of plot that probably would have been better paced out over a longer series.

Kinda, it's more that Viv is a theatre kid and just really loves musical numbers. Like its been established the moment she got a deal with amazon, she immediately went to get broadway actors (and Keith David since he says yes to anything)

 

[SpiderBitch]

I still don't get why the sinners are all in the pride ring, literally no logical reason except for viv trying to be unique and quirky.

Especially with most hellborn being considered lower than sinners, why are they the ones allowed free reign?? Why do the other rings even exist if the sinners cant go there for comitting said sin???

The imps arent even allowed to interact with humans so why do they get the whole wrath ring to themselves, they cant cause people to commit the sin (aside from the I.M.P. specifically ig) and i dont think they can really sin themselves either because theyre hellborn.

The rings only appear to be there so the lower castes can party and for lust to birth some succubi to seduce humans. Oh gee i wonder what is causing such bad overpopulation when 85% of hell is closed off to sinners

Adam is the best part about that scene, though, because as much as the show wants us to hate him, he easily has the best line delivery and comedic timing, even if his every line of dialogue sounds like it's written by a middle schooler.

Her shows hinge entirely on her va's being talented and HB being animated pretty well. Again, the only thing viv is actually quite good at is animating, and she seems to be doing very little of it for her projects nowadays.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I mean, if we are actually going by Christianity, children can sin and go to Hell. In fact, if you fail to baptize them and they die soon after birth, they go to Hell. The permababies in Hell would be incredibly easy targets for these angels. Maybe that's why they are so rare, child and baby souls are the first to go in a purge.

Some kids 100% deserve to go hell, just saying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

 

[Guysho]

List of children whose place is no more deserving than hell:
"Baraboo Bone Breaker"
Mary Bell
Junko Furata's literal mong murderers
Sylvia Likens was largely abused by youths, but it's a complicated story. Likely at least one minor involved with her death deserving of the worst as a result.

Edit: Broomhead Scythe Murder

 

[Tablet County]

Niffty only exists to be 'Haha funny little psychopath', seriously the only thing she's done so far is occasionally show up to say a crazy line or two, her being the one that's going to kill Adam will be the only plot relevent thing she's going to do this season and that's certainly going to be portrayed as a joke.

Sure, she has gotten a couple legitimate chuckles out of me, but she's that bad type of comedic relief character who's sole existence revolves around the fact they're the comedic relief character.

She's the weird little cyclops thing right? I think she's the only character whose design I actually like, even if it's just because she's actually kinda weird looking compared to all the other deviantart looking motherfuckers.

Why is no one being punished in hell for there sins and just fuck around being hedonistic?

If I were to explain it I'd say it's because they don't need to be punished with fire and brimstone. Their empty, hedonistic existence is suffering enough, and now they can't even die to escape their own misery so they can only drown it in further excess, forever.
'Course that'd be if I was writing the show and I'm not. Besides, far as I can tell demons can actually die forever in HH so who knows?

 

[Whiskey]

I still don't get why the sinners are all in the pride ring, literally no logical reason except for viv trying to be unique and quirky.

Especially with most hellborn being considered lower than sinners, why are they the ones allowed free reign?? Why do the other rings even exist if the sinners cant go there for comitting said sin???

The imps arent even allowed to interact with humans so why do they get the whole wrath ring to themselves, they cant cause people to commit the sin (aside from the I.M.P. specifically ig) and i dont think they can really sin themselves either because theyre hellborn.

The rings only appear to be there so the lower castes can party and for lust to birth some succubi to seduce humans. Oh gee i wonder what is causing such bad overpopulation when 85% of hell is closed off to sinners



Her shows hinge entirely on her va's being talented and HB being animated pretty well. Again, the only thing viv is actually quite good at is animating, and she seems to be doing very little of it for her projects nowadays.

I think it is so the show can have spin offs like helluva boss... it is very difficult to write a show with that when you have super powered sinners running around and respawning.

Not that you would know that since helluva a boss is mainly centered around even more powerful beings with the deadly sins...still from a creative stand point I get it.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I still don't get why the sinners are all in the pride ring, literally no logical reason except for viv trying to be unique and quirky.

Lore reason is that I guess is to punish Lucifer, real reason is that I think for legal reasons since the other rings are in Helluva Boss.

Oh gee i wonder what is causing such bad overpopulation when 85% of hell is closed off to sinners

With recent stuff, overpopulation isn't the reason, but Lilith being too strong and Adam being an alleged incel about it

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

In fact, if you fail to baptize them and they die soon after birth, they go to Hell.

This actually isn't the mainstream Christian belief. Only Catholics believe that unbaptized babies go to Limbo, not hell, but that's non-biblical and rejected by non-Catholics. Most non-Catholics believe that babies, toddlers, fetuses and those children too young to understand right from wrong are in an "age of innocence" and go to heaven instead because of how innocent they are and that they are literally incapable of choosing to follow Christ. Many hold that this is why Jesus said "unless you are like these [children], you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven". King David was pretty sure that he would see his dead child with Bathsheba in Heaven as well. The belief is that there is an "age of accountability" after which children will be held accountable for their actions and absolutely will go to hell if they do not repent. But this point is one that is very much a grey area, as the Bible doesn't specifically say one way or another, so very few Christians are dogmatic on the subject. For more info on this subject, this page has good information.

But the Child murders pointed out by @Smity Werbenjagermanjensen and @Guysho are absolutely above any age of accountability and will absolutely go to hell if they do not repent and turn to Christ.

 

[Roger Dennis]

List of children whose place is no more deserving than hell:
"Baraboo Bone Breaker"
Mary Bell
Junko Furata's literal mong murderers
Sylvia Likens was largely abused by youths, but it's a complicated story. Likely at least one minor involved with her death deserving of the worst as a result.

Edit: Broomhead Scythe Murder

You forgot Amarjeet Sada (the world’s youngest serial killer, having murdered three girls, all under the age of 1, two of whom were his relatives, and only 8 years old when he committed his murders) and Shinichiro Azuma (Zodiac Killer copycat and necrophiliac perpetrator of the Kobe child murders).

 

[Escaped Abortion]

This actually isn't the mainstream Christian belief. Only Catholics believe that unbaptized babies go to Limbo, not hell, but that's non-biblical and rejected by non-Catholics. Most non-Catholics believe that babies, toddlers, fetuses and those children too young to understand right from wrong are in an "age of innocence" and go to heaven instead because of how innocent they are and that they are literally incapable of choosing to follow Christ. Many hold that this is why Jesus said "unless you are like these [children], you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven". King David was pretty sure that he would see his dead child with Bathsheba in Heaven as well. The belief is that there is an "age of accountability" after which children will be held accountable for their actions and absolutely will go to hell if they do not repent. But this point is one that is very much a grey area, as the Bible doesn't specifically say one way or another, so very few Christians are dogmatic on the subject. For more info on this subject, this page has good information.

But the Child murders pointed out by @Smity Werbenjagermanjensen and @Guysho are absolutely above any age of accountability and will absolutely go to hell if they do not repent and turn to Christ.

I wasn't planning to get into the deep historic lore, but yes, there were softenings of the belief, but I think using something that harsh could work in a story that is trying to illustrate Heaven being unreasonable. I remember it caused problems before Limbo was added in as grieving mothers would sometimes choose to off themselves to accompany their children into Hell. Catholics are closer to the original church, though everything has mutated through the ages, because different groups need to cut out and change things that are too unsavory or hard to swallow, like damning children. Limbo was the first patch, along with the righteous, but oblivious pagans, because they never got the opportunity to get their God approved stamp, but didn't do anything to earn torture.

The idea of a kid reaching the age of reason where they at least understand something of consequences is a pretty reasonable adjustment too... I mean a 2 year old kills their baby sibling, it's more on the parents for not watching an impulsive toddler close enough.

The child does look like one of the cannibals, so he could have done something genuinely terrible. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Vivzie is going with a God as petty, particular judge who sent him to hell for wearing a mixed fiber shirt, because Jesus wasn't supposed to excuse that, truly hideous. I guess we will find out.

 

[jspit2.0]

So, this talk has literal made me suffer through Hazbin Hotel.

I fast discovered that 90% of the shows actual heft or lack thereof is what's driving users of this thread into deep dives.

Adam, who is apparently an angel somehow, is emblematic. I did some internet search and it's hilarious and depressing. So many fans were enraptured by this character. Reddit, 4chan, YouTube. Everyone was coming up with these awesome backgrounds and human stories for this transparently one dimensional antagonist.

What's amused me is that Adam is one of those unintentional characters. Ontologically, he's the soundest figure in the show. God is good, satan is evil. If only the good go to Heaven, then people in hell must be evil. Yet, they chose to put the only, pathetic though it is, substance in the hands of a figure that is meant symbolize everything creatives behind this thing hate.

Which is maddening, because it's just an outgrowth, anytime real humanity, pathos, depth comes into play, you catch flak. Just like the show being 'homophobic' because it had a moment of humainty.

 

[Prince Vegeta]

Sir Pentious is the only character who feels real to me, and not like a jumped up caricature. I must be getting old though because the pace of this show is killing me. I keep wanting to yell "slow down!"

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

The show tries way too hard to be funny with the lame sex jokes.