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At some point tomorrow I'll post my opinions and experiences with Chasids.
Hasidic Community - Everybody's favorite type of Jew. Moved to "Mass Debates" 109 times.
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This is fucking retarded. God will not mind if you switch off the lights.
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Hasidim are the Wahhabists of Judaism, I've been tempted to re-enter faith, perhaps as an Orthodox Jew but more I hear about these schizo niggas I'm just turned off.
Shockingly surprised this thread isn't mega antisemitic lmfao
Shockingly surprised this thread isn't mega antisemitic lmfao
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They sound like Judaisms equivalent of Wahhabists and the various flavors of fundie Christianity. I've said before but despite the differences the extreme versions of the abrahamic religions have more in common with each other than the normie moderate version of the same religion.
How do regular orthodox jews compare and contrast to hasidics with their treatment of women? It sounds like orthodox are still conservative, but not as extreme as hasidics.
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Ooh boy, it's a subculture I used to deal with. I hung out with normie Orthodox guys who went to YU, and I'd see Hasidim there often. We also shopped at grocery stores in Hasidic neighborhoods, and ate at their restaurants. I originally didn't mind them but the more I learned of them, and their weird culture, and their relentless affinity for the cheesiest exterior decorating I've ever seen, blackpilled me.
OK first, comment:
It's silly and insanely restrictive, but it is a good way to get your head out of your ass and actually spend the weekend with your family rather than doomscrolling.
Ultra-orthodox people have a pretty explicit dress code and code of conduct for women to follow. Tznuit ("modest") clothing is explicitly defined as sleeves over the elbows (sometimes up to the wrists), skirts below the knee (sometimes down to the elbows). Women walk to the left on the sidewalk and men on the right. Don't make eye contact with strange men. Don't talk to them either - a woman's voice is her nakedness.
Women in Ultra-orthodox families are surprisingly better educated than their male peers. Boys are given an almost-exclusively parochial education and ultra-orthodox yeshivot openly disparage teaching boys secular content. Girls get better education so they can manage a household, pay bills, take kids to the doctor, etc. Some guys exit publicly-funded Hasidic education not knowing how to read English, despite having been born in New York. It's a feature to the Hasidim; like many other religious extremists, the penguins figured out that it's much harder for their flock to leave the ghetto if they've been deprived of the knowledge how to survive outside of it. And this is in addition to all the rules in Regular Orthodoxy which already make Judaism one of the more clannish religions out there. (e.g. prohibiting people from driving or using public transit on Shabbos, can only buy kosher meat, produce, alcohol, etc.)
Regular orthodox people do things that I think are sexist but which I am assured are definitely not sexist. And I guess if you compare them to Haredim, they'd be right, but compared to any other point of comparison, the cracks appear.
For example, I'm told by regular Orthodox rabbis that it definitely is not sexist to erect a giant wall in the middle of your worship space and make all the women sit in the back half of the room. I'm also told that because a woman's voice is equivalent to her nakedness (this is an actual axiom from the commentaries, somewhere) it is not sexist to prohibit women from reading the Torah aloud and prohibit them from speaking from the bimah (equivalent-ish to the Christian altar.) Likewise, it is definitely! not! sexist! for Orthodox religious authorities to insist married women need to ritually cleanse themselves in a mikveh 7-9 days after her LMP, and not to touch her husband in any way from the start of her period until she returns from the mikveh. (And it's also definitely not sexist to prohibit single women from having sex, either.) Likewise it's also not sexist! or homoerotic! at all! to only count men towards your minyan (prayer quorum). To me, this plus the women to the back-of-the-bus rule implies that Orthodox Jewish men actually practice their faith, and Jewish women are just spectators.
So idk, it's not *worse* than their ultra-Orthodox neighbors, but still very proscriptive with regards to what extent women are allowed to participate in their own faith.
OK first, comment:
I understand why you are doing this, and that these are all fair transliterations of this guy's given name. But for the sake of people who don't get that Hebrew proper names have a range of acceptable English spellings, you may just want to pick the Anglicized version ("Aaron") and stick with it to avoid confusion.
I've heard some Lubavitchers believe he never died. That it's all an elaborate keyfabe before the end times, or something. I used to have a prayer card with that guy's picture on it to keep in my purse. I swapped it out right around when I ploished out of Orthodoxy.
Jews think that turning electronic devices off or on amounts to forbidden work, and I don't necessarily disagree with them. Even if you don't agree that flipping a switch is similar to starting a fire (this is the actual reasoning used), I def agree that whatever you plan to do with the electronic device is probably illegal work.
It's silly and insanely restrictive, but it is a good way to get your head out of your ass and actually spend the weekend with your family rather than doomscrolling.
Eh, sort of. Except that Haredi, Hasidim, and co. have cornered the theological market on Judaism and most Orthodox and Conservative Jews would tend to agree with and trust a ultra-orthodox rabbi's religious opinion and approval. This is unlike Christianity, where say the Baptists do not necessarily care what the Catholics are doing and vice versa.
Well the Hasidics are more overtly sexist, if that is what you mean.
Ultra-orthodox people have a pretty explicit dress code and code of conduct for women to follow. Tznuit ("modest") clothing is explicitly defined as sleeves over the elbows (sometimes up to the wrists), skirts below the knee (sometimes down to the elbows). Women walk to the left on the sidewalk and men on the right. Don't make eye contact with strange men. Don't talk to them either - a woman's voice is her nakedness.
Women in Ultra-orthodox families are surprisingly better educated than their male peers. Boys are given an almost-exclusively parochial education and ultra-orthodox yeshivot openly disparage teaching boys secular content. Girls get better education so they can manage a household, pay bills, take kids to the doctor, etc. Some guys exit publicly-funded Hasidic education not knowing how to read English, despite having been born in New York. It's a feature to the Hasidim; like many other religious extremists, the penguins figured out that it's much harder for their flock to leave the ghetto if they've been deprived of the knowledge how to survive outside of it. And this is in addition to all the rules in Regular Orthodoxy which already make Judaism one of the more clannish religions out there. (e.g. prohibiting people from driving or using public transit on Shabbos, can only buy kosher meat, produce, alcohol, etc.)
Regular orthodox people do things that I think are sexist but which I am assured are definitely not sexist. And I guess if you compare them to Haredim, they'd be right, but compared to any other point of comparison, the cracks appear.
For example, I'm told by regular Orthodox rabbis that it definitely is not sexist to erect a giant wall in the middle of your worship space and make all the women sit in the back half of the room. I'm also told that because a woman's voice is equivalent to her nakedness (this is an actual axiom from the commentaries, somewhere) it is not sexist to prohibit women from reading the Torah aloud and prohibit them from speaking from the bimah (equivalent-ish to the Christian altar.) Likewise, it is definitely! not! sexist! for Orthodox religious authorities to insist married women need to ritually cleanse themselves in a mikveh 7-9 days after her LMP, and not to touch her husband in any way from the start of her period until she returns from the mikveh. (And it's also definitely not sexist to prohibit single women from having sex, either.) Likewise it's also not sexist! or homoerotic! at all! to only count men towards your minyan (prayer quorum). To me, this plus the women to the back-of-the-bus rule implies that Orthodox Jewish men actually practice their faith, and Jewish women are just spectators.
So idk, it's not *worse* than their ultra-Orthodox neighbors, but still very proscriptive with regards to what extent women are allowed to participate in their own faith.
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I still disagree, its rules lawyering to the extreme.
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This thread could be interesting but I think it needs a heavy hand of moderation and context.
Moderation because the second it leaves PG it will get shit up by /pol/tards and other retards
Context because a lot of their stuff makes sense sorta in a Jewish context but not a Christian context. Without this moderation, you're going to end up with a bunch of Christians complaining about Jews, which is as beneficial to discussion as British people complaining about the American system of governance or vice versa. Sure they're related but they are not that all similar when you actually look at it.
I don't think this thread should be published. I think it should go to spurgatory.
There are things that the Hasidic community do that lolcow related but I don't think many in the greater kiwi farms ecosystem are mature enough to understand or deal this. Basically I'm saying this needs a lot of rewriting.
Super ashkenazi. Like Super ashkenazi. Think Eastern European Russian food with no pork. No dairy mixed with meat that sort of stuff.
Moderation because the second it leaves PG it will get shit up by /pol/tards and other retards
Context because a lot of their stuff makes sense sorta in a Jewish context but not a Christian context. Without this moderation, you're going to end up with a bunch of Christians complaining about Jews, which is as beneficial to discussion as British people complaining about the American system of governance or vice versa. Sure they're related but they are not that all similar when you actually look at it.
I don't think this thread should be published. I think it should go to spurgatory.
There are things that the Hasidic community do that lolcow related but I don't think many in the greater kiwi farms ecosystem are mature enough to understand or deal this. Basically I'm saying this needs a lot of rewriting.
Super ashkenazi. Like Super ashkenazi. Think Eastern European Russian food with no pork. No dairy mixed with meat that sort of stuff.
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They are. Ultra-Orthodox people are encouraged to marry really young and have a lot of kids. And since Abba has barely any secular education, he gets a job working for low pay somewhere else within the community, and maybe that pays under the table. On paper, they will look like a family with 6+ kids and little to no income. And despite how much they hate the goyim and the government, the Hasidim are happy to take government money in the form of welfare benefits, vouchers, funding for their schools, etc.
These people also reliably vote in a bloc (literally all of them will vote for whoever the rabbi endorses) so the NY political machine has little appetite to upset them by cutting funding or imposing taxes and zoning restrictions on their ghettos.
Yes. But if there's two things I know about Jews:
1. Tons of seemingly arbitrary rules
2. Do not care what outsiders think of them
If you want I can get into the theology of *why* Jews have all these ridiculous restrictions.
It's a concept called "putting a fence around the Torah". Basically, God's commandments are law, and God does not care one bit if you violate the law unwittingly or maliciously; you're punished all the same. Because the penalty for violating the law had the potential to be severe (as in life-ending), the sages set up all these safety rules to act like crib bumpers or highway girders, making it impossible for idiots in the congregation to violate God's law accidentally. So instead of merely banning the practice of cooking a calf in its mother's milk, Jews banned the practice of putting dairy anywhere in, on, or near meat. Instead of merely banning sex with your wife when she's on her period, you're not supposed to have any physical contact with her. Instead of merely eating unleavened bread on Passover, Jews eat "shmura matza", which means someone made triple-extra sure that no water got into the grain before it was time to cook. Yeah it's weird. Fascinatingly so, at least to me.
Google "kosher restaurant" + an enclave and you can see what passes for good taste to these people. You can also google "Hasidic shul" or "yeshiva" + an enclave to get a look at their idea of institutional architecture. It's harder to find private homes... many of the homes are obscured to Google Street View (((conspiracy))) and Hasids tend not to post Chris-chan style house exploration videos.
But here's a few examples:
^ they love these recessed lighting panels in the ceiling, and especially tricking it out with LED lights around the rim
^ Maximalism is the order of the day at any Orthodox joint
^ grandma's wallpaper. check. tablecloth clashing with wallpaper, check, spent a ton of money doing all this, probably check.
^ It's typically Jewish to illuminate your parties like a Contrapoints vlog.
^ I'm going to guess it's a bar mitzvah but the centerpieces look really funny
Most likely this is the same banquet hall, decked out for a Hasidic celebration (probably a wedding). The white fabric room dividers are there to separate the female and male party guests. Despite this being a wedding, the genders shall not mix.
Does anyone else find these recessed LED ceiling strips to be really gay looking?
Other things I remember: lace, doilies, floral patterns galore. The Yemeni and Hasidic Jews also really like to put giant, cheesy looking stainless steel and chrome gates around the entire lot of their cheap brick-n-vinyl houses, and that always looks really bourgeoise to me.
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Anyone who says this is a retard.
I think you mean laughing at.
Oh really. You don't think we are "mature" enough to laugh at Jews? Well I think you're a nigger.
OY VEY, SHUT IT DOWN!
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There is currently no Jewish equivalent of a Pope, Grand Ayatollah, or Dalai Lama. In some ways Netanyahu can serve that purpose but not really.
The Great Sanhedrin used to serve that purpose. There were also lesser Sanhedrins that were more like district courts.
The Romans destroyed the Great Sanhedrin because Rome was based and redpilled.
Napoleon tried to revive it but in a way that he would ultimately be able to control it.
Nowadays individual Rabbis give out edicts. In the Reform community it’s more organized and often operates like a Jewish Church. In the Chasidic community it’s a free-for-all.
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All the restaurants you posted are Bukharian/Russian and wouldn't be considered Hasidic fyi.
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Surely you have arguments that are better than the average /pol/tard and can easily win in any debate with such bad people, yes?
I will occasionally drop by with my takes as a non-religious person, so all should be fine!
You know.
Now that you want that, I think the thread should be published.
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Uh... bad, in a word. Most savory dishes are overly sweetened. Picture egg kugel with raisins, cholent, gefilte fish, and all of it costs more because it's kosher-certified. (At least the prepared food, cheese, and meat, anyway.)
The entire time I ate kosher (2 years, give or take) I was adapting gentile recipes to suit the cooking style, because the trad Jewish dishes are all pretty bad. IMO they're the worst of slavic and eastern eu cookery, plus the worst excesses of industrialization. Think turning matzah from an unleavened bread to a crispy cracker the size of a dinner plate, corned beef on everything, and mysterious processed oils that are pareve but also 4g of trans fat per serving.
They think that if God wants to bring about the end of the world, Jews shouldn't try to help by colonizing Israel. According to them, the 3rd Temple will just appear one day, perfect and divine, and that marks the 1,000 year countdown to the apocalypse.
I know right! I haven't even said anything about the chickens yet.
At least enough math to pay the bills and enough science to know how to boil water and bake bread, anyway.
That's why we shouldn't be prejudiced. I thought Racism was incapable of being funny, but I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Yeah, the schtitel. You shave your head (or cover your actual hair with a net), and then put a wig on top, so no one will know you're covering your hair... because that would be taking too much pride in your practice... so a wig, and then the rabbis end up hating the wigs anyway and telling women they can't wear those either. It's like a double-bind for hair.
They're retarded. And it helps keep them away from the filthy seculars.
Wow not even the one putting up dividers for the wedding reception?
I admit I'm a tourist in this culture and it may well be a tacky Russian / Bukharian aesthetic I noticed in Brookyln and wrongly attributed to Hasidim.
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All Orthodox Jews put up dividers for weddings. These restaurants you're referencing are King Solomons palace and Asia Glatt, both Russian Jewish restaurants in Flatbush near Brighton Beach/ocean parkway. No Hasid would be caught dead in Asia Glatt as their Kashrut is questionable as it is with most Bukharian/russian places.
If you want a Hasidic place to eat look up Essen deli or restaurants in monsey. Another quirk of Jewish food is that pizza places often serve sushi as well and sushi is very popular.
I agree but there's some good hasidic Jewish food in the form of potato kugel, hard salamis, and various deli meats. There's also the slow creeping of gourmet culture into the kosher community where the food they eat is constantly being expanded on as they learn more and their chefs experiment. It's a pretty interesting time for kosher food now.
Actual reason is that they think it makes them look dignified, it's based off 1700s era polish noble apparel.
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That much I do remember. I used to eat at a kosher sushi joint near YU in Washington Heights. I sometimes went to their parties, too, but I was already 25 and getting tired of collegiate life. But there were a lot of cute Jews to flirt with. If you made eye contact with the ultra-orthodox ones in hats they would blush and scurry away, like very religious possums.
This is also true, I'm not going to diss delicious Jewish delis. And I guess I ought to give a shoutout to smoked fish, which is a traditional New York Jewish food but isn't that well-represented in Ashkenazi food. Now so many Gentiles want to eat smoked salmon and smoked bluefish that many of the appetizing counters on the West Side are all treif now. Not a problem for me, not anymore, but I imagine somewhat frustrating for hungry Jew who just wants a lox bagel.
Asian kosher food is a good example of the new directions kosher food is headed in. Basically Chinese food but no pork and no shellfish. I also had kosher Indian food once. It was OK, but they sub the cheese in the saag paneer for tofu
Fair enough. I'm posting them mostly for what I perceive as tacky decorations, which you said is also Russian/Bukharian. Do you think the penguins eat at King Solomon's Palace?
I know that, but it's as silly as me walking the streets in my Ren Faire costume and acting like it makes me better than everyone else not dressed like that. The effect, and the reason they keep doing this, is to fortify in-group identity. They can identify each other coming and they know who's part of the tribe because they're wearing a fur hat the size of a wedding cake.
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Lmao don't get fooled, the men are sluts who likely experimented sexually with other men in yeshiva because they never had access to women but were still horny. They also sometimes fuck non Jewish women because the non Jewish women don't count. The women sometimes engage in the same lesbianism and I know of a few cases where sexually repressed Hasidic girls just broke and slept with whoever asked. Sexuality is a hard thing for most people and being plainly honest, the link between mental illness and sexually acting out is well known. Add in repression and the Jewish tendency for mental illness, stuff happens. There's Chabad key parties that I've heard rumors about and other stuff I probably shouldn't talk about in public (not illegal but just unpleasant).
Probably? Need to double check the certification. It's not their kind of place TBH
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Nice job dispelling those stereotypes of degenerate Juden
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I'm just sick of the absolute retard AF level posting that happens whenever Jews are mentioned. I'm just giving my two cents. But I guess give some historical background in the OP.