Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Imperial Citizen said:
The Ruusan Reformation is a legitimate response to a millennia of unending war. Even though it wasn’t explored, I have no doubt that militarized, decentralized Jedi kingdoms led many Jedi to the dark side. They needed to be brought to heel and serve as a peacekeeping force.
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That was not the case. In fact, the one guy who fell to the Dark Side was the one that the Republic sent as a counterweight to the decentralized Jedi kingdoms. The latter kept to the Light and were given power by the people. Stop making shit up. Lord Hoth and the many Jedi Lords remained in the Light, while Skere Kaan, the one guy that the Jedi Council and the Republic wanted to replace these lords, turned to the Dark Side and united the divided Sith factions.

Turning the Jedi into a peacekeeping force weakened the Jedi, forcing them to be reliant on the Clone Army. And we all know how that story ended. Order 66 would've had no effect if each Jedi had his own kingdom and army, Rahm Kota-style.

Imperial Citizen said:
The Ruusan Reformations worked. The collapse of the Republic only happened in the last 50 or so years of a near millennia of peace. The galaxy hadn’t seen a period of stability in the last 3000 years.
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No it didn't. It made the Republic weak. The Republic lasted for 24,000 years with a centralized military led by the Jedi. The Ruusan Reformation comes in, and they fall within 1,000 years. The Republic becomes so bad due to it delegating authority to the rich senators and corporations that it leads to half the galaxy telling the Republic to get fucked. The Ruusan Reformations made eunuchs out of the Jedi and weakened their moral resolve, while giving the greedy and the powerful a chance to lord over their subjects. So of course, half the galaxy tells the Republic to get fucked and leaves.

The only reason corporations started building their own armies is because the central government won't protect them. That led to corporations like the Trade Federation becoming galactic powers in the same vein as the Sith Empire or the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders, instead of what they should be-glorified shipping cartels. They literally have the equivalent of Amazon/Microsoft death squads thanks to the Republic dismantling its military and turning the Jedi into glorified cops with lightsabers. Which led to the obvious scenario where these corporations no longer want to follow what the government says or wants, because they have an army, and the government does not. They can literally just tell the government to get fucked and blockade an innocent planet because they can. They benefitted the most from the so-called "Republic Golden Age" while the average plebian had to scrounge and starve.

To be fair, Republic corruption was always there, it convinced many Jedi to choose the Dark Side over the Light, but after the Ruusan Reformation, that corruption skyrocketed to the point where all it took was 1,000 years of peace and the Republic fell apart, whereas the militarized and centralized Republic lasted for 24,000 years.

The fact is, one could say the Ruusan Reformation killed the Republic. It didn't kill the Republic outright, but it was like a slow-acting poison that eventually killed the host. You can talk about Sith manipulations all day long, but the matter of the fact is, the Sith had been conspiring to destroy the Republic for 4000 years, and failed. After the Ruusan Reformation, all they had to do was wait for the Republic to start eating itself, and then use that as their meal ticket into the system.

I mean, who the fuck would have faith in the Republic if it's your local corporation, warlord, or aristocrat who's keeping the lights on and keeping the streets safe? Who the fuck would pay taxes to that faraway Republic that does nothing for the people outside of sending dudes in bathrobes with lightsticks to fight summer wars now and then so they can keep extracting taxes from the people they don't protect? No wonder the Separatist movement got as far as it did. Even if you removed Sith influence, they would've still taken half the galaxy with them; the only worlds that truly benefited from the Republic post-Ruusan Reformation were the core worlds that were already wealthy and had a lot of influence in the Senate.

At that point, the Republic wouldn't even exist in your life, so why pay taxes to a government that does nothing for you? All the Republic does is just take away your money so some dude in a bathrobe can fly around in a top-of-the-line starfighter while people on the fringe like you have to starve and scrape for a living.
 
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Time to recycle another unresolved plot point from Clone Wars, now with Barriss. And don't forget the obligatory Vader teaser at the end, he's definitely going to show up for two minutes and a half.
Disney is turning Star Wars into a Content Farm, there's nothing new or exciting about these shows anymore.
I'm dreading the day the Vong are going to show up in one of these trailers.
Say about the prequels what you want, but at least Lucas turned the franchise into a new direction, and compared to all these same-looking characters, even fucking Jar Jar looks iconic.
Disney Wars isn't even able to come up with a shit character like Jar Jar.
Star Wars desperately needs some fresh air.
 
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“She is very much inspired by Trinity. I personally wanted to see someone who had the highest status you could imagine in a Force-fu fight – somebody that would come in and you immediately would be like, ‘Oh, that’s the most powerful Jedi in the room.’ And that’s Trinity.”
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Mississippi Motorboater said:
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“She is very much inspired by Trinity. I personally wanted to see someone who had the highest status you could imagine in a Force-fu fight – somebody that would come in and you immediately would be like, ‘Oh, that’s the most powerful Jedi in the room.’ And that’s Trinity.”
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Ignore that Neo was the One of course and far more proficient with breaking the false reality's code over his knee than Trinity ever could. Also I'm gonna be frank, I remember Morpheus far better than Trinity in that film.

Also good sithposting from the fanfic writer. Since that obsession and craving power is far more dark side than light.
 
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Mac Monster said:
Grievous has always had a great design and backstory, but the only time I felt he ever lived up to his potential was in the original clone wars cartoon. It's a shame that Filoni (and Lucas to a much lesser extent) turned him into such a joke.
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To this day, I'm certain that Grievous was deliberately sabotaged by Lucas because he was a threat to Vader. Can't have someone cooler than your magnum opus running around after all.
 
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Adamska said:
Ignore that Neo was the One of course and far more proficient with breaking the false reality's code over his knee than Trinity ever could. Also I'm gonna be frank, I remember Morpheus far better than Trinity in that film.

Also good sithposting from the fanfic writer. Since that obsession and craving power is far more dark side than light.
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I remember when Trinity was so powerful she got shot in the belly, died, and Neo cyber-resurrected her

Before the abortion of the fourth movie, out of all the humans and programs that could manipulate the Matrix from the inside, she had the least ability to do it

Of course that means she was the most powerful! GIRLBOSSYASSKWEENSLAYYYYYY. But is Indara stronker than Rey? Nah I bet they're equal
 
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Gondolindrim said:
To this day, I'm certain that Grievous was deliberately sabotaged by Lucas because he was a threat to Vader. Can't have someone cooler than your magnum opus running around after all.
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I disagree. The very same cartoon that made Grievous a monster nerfed him at the very end. That, and Lucas' version of Grievous still gave Kenobi hell. If it wasn't for the fact that there was a gun lying on the floor, Kenobi would be dead, and Grievous would be laughing.
 
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“She is very much inspired by Trinity. I personally wanted to see someone who had the highest status you could imagine in a Force-fu fight – somebody that would come in and you immediately would be like, ‘Oh, that’s the most powerful Jedi in the room.’ And that’s Trinity.”
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Gets back to the point that Hollywood is creatively bankrupt, have no knew ideas and are just recycling shit from a narrow slice of film and TV.
 
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TV's Adam West said:
I just want Dash back. The real unsung hero of the war.
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No you don't. They would castrate him, make him a tranny & bi, make him a nigger who talks about the racial prejudice he over came and how lame anyone who doesn't like him (ths a racist is) and how important it is to listen to women and fags.

Molly White's Breast Milk said:
You spelled Kyle Katarn wrong, bud. A Chad White bearded guy with a cute Asian girl friend who helped destroy the Death Star, single handedly destroyed the Dark Trooper program, and became a Jedi. Disney refuses to include him in their canon because he's way too based.
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Kyle Katarn was so fucking based he heard Disney had a script written with him in it, but broke into the disney offices and destroyed it.

The handsome tard said:
Dash and Kyle are two awesome characters that I want Disney to stay as far away as humanly possible from. I remember how we used to be excited to see Legends characters appearing in Disney canon but its at the point we just legit dread when that happens because we know they are in for character assassination lane.
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Exactly this.
Be GLAD Disney has forgotten about the thing you like.
 
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Star Wars used to be the apex sci-fi that every military sci-fi aspired to. Starcraft, Star Fox, Transformers, Gundam, hell, even Metroid and Cowboy Bebop were basically based on guys like Han Solo and Boba Fett, they would've easily fit in as a SWEU work if you just changed a few names and regions. Now, the idea of SW doing well would indeed be a miracle in the eyes of those who own it. But hey, at least we had those memories of when Star Wars was the one series that people looked up to the most whenever people mentioned military sci-fi.

Going back to the discussion of the Ruusan Reformation and the Republic, I'd just like to bring in an example to prove my point. Imagine if you will, that you were born in a Trade Federation planet in the Outer Rim during the so-called Republic Golden Age. You spend every single day walking streets that are kept safe by the presence of Battle Droids. The lights are on thanks to the power the Trade Federation provides. Every penny you earn goes back to the Trade Federation one way or another since they own the local businesses there. You spend your days working hard for the company, but so long as the company is there, you get paid well. Your life, as well as the lives of those around you, revolve around the success of the Trade Federation.

But then there's this other entity called ''The Republic'' that taxes the Trade Federation. They take profits away from the Trade Federation to spend it somewhere else, in some faraway planet that you've never seen. More to the point, this ''Republic'' doesn't do anything to defend you. It does nothing for you. All it does is remind the people who protect you and employ you that someone else wears the pants in the relationship, and it's not the people who actually work with you, it's not the people you actually meet. They're this invisible power that demands loyalty and obedience, but whenever you ask for them to show up and help, they're nowhere to be found.

Sure, you hear rumors of ''the Jedi'' and how these super-awesome heroes are supposedly saving the day and keeping the peace, but you've never seen one in your life, and what's worse, your bosses speak of the Jedi in hushed tones because more than once, the Jedi ruined things for them whenever they tried to expand. They speak of an incident near Wookiee space-apparently some Jedi riled up the furballs and drove the Trade Federation out of a planet that they had the rights to. You hear about the blockade on Naboo, but you felt it was justified because the Republic was going to tax the Federation's trade routes, and the Naboo senator was the one who proposed the tax. Then you hear that more Jedi interference led to the Trade Federation losing control of that blockade and one of the Trade Federation bosses who signed your paycheck got arrested.

It becomes obvious to you that this ''Republic'' that has done nothing to improve your life intends to meddle in the affairs of the people who have done the work of settling your world, civilizing it, and making things possible for you to have a stable livelihood. The Republic does nothing for you; its superhero Jedi have never actually saved you or helped you in any meaningful way, and the Republic they sheepishly serve is full of corrupt senators who tax the corporation that you know, the one that actually pays hard-working people to develop the land and civilize the place. Soon you get news that one of the Jedi got fed up with his bosses and started a Separatist movement to rally like-minded people against this corrupt Republic that does nothing but profit off the people who actually do the work of civilizing the Outer Rim and other worlds outside of the galactic core.

Guess which side you'll be on? Obviously, it's not the Republic, which has done jack fucking shit for you.

Now, replace that with the Jedi Lords and the Jedi-dominated Republic.

Imagine you were born during the Republic Dark Age on a world ruled by a Jedi Lord. It's his troops that patrol the streets, it's his resources that keep the lights on at night, and it's his estate that keeps things going in your world. He supports this ''Republic'' that he says is a bastion of civilization, and more than once, he's fought alongside other Jedi Lords and soldiers sent from Coruscant and the Jedi Order to keep those Sith ruffians at bay, those Sith who spend their days killing Jedi and killing each other. Everything you've known revolves around the protection this Jedi Lord gives to you, and everyone you know works for him one way or another. And he tells you that the Republic is good, that it's worth fighting for.

So of course, you're more likely to believe the Republic are good guys, when the guy who's keeping you all safe and secure says so himself. The man you see every day who runs everything is someone who represents Republic authority in your neck of the woods, and he keeps filling your head with Republic propaganda about how the Republic are good, and the Sith are bad, and your society is united in helping your boss beat the Sith. So no shit, you'd start believing that the Republic is the best hope for the galaxy, that the Jedi are good, and that a united galaxy behind the Republic is the best way forward.

Hell, you can even replace this with any era of the Republic prior to the Ruusan Reformation, when the Republic had a unified army and navy keeping the peace, led by Jedi Knights who served as its officers. Once again, you live in a world ruled by the Republic. Its troops walk your streets, keep you safe, and Republic businesses keep the lights on. And this massive army that stretches from Ord Mantell to Coruscant works with the Jedi, so you're more likely to see Jedi since your world is part of the Republic proper and not just some corporate fief that rarely sees lightsaber-wielding bathrobe-wearers.

The Republic keeps you safe, out of its own pocket, with its own troops, so you're more likely to believe that the Republic is good, because you see with your own eyes that the Republic serves and protects you. It doesn't matter if it's pirates, slavers, Mandalorians, or even Sith, your friendly neighborhood Republic soldiers work as a living wall against them and all threats, and you come to believe in the Republic and its mission to bring ordered liberty across the galaxy. You might even sign up with said Republic government, as a bureaucrat, or a day-laborer, maybe even as a member of the army or navy. You go off and see the galaxy yourself, spending your days protecting people and spreading democracy and civilization to the heathens.

So yes, the Republic prior to the Ruusan Reformation is a better organization, more likely to convince people of its kindness and good intentions, more capable of protecting its people, and more likely to convince people to join up and help build up the Republic and all it stands for, as opposed to a Republic that does nothing to protect you yet still expects you to pay your taxes on time; not to mention they feel like they can meddle in your life whenever they want, even if you've grown accustomed to not needing them, just because they can.
 
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Ghostse said:
Exactly this.
Be GLAD Disney has forgotten about the thing you like.
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I've said this numerous times, but it never stops being true...especially with the 10th anniversary of the EU Decanonization coming up in a few weeks:

The Decanonizatoon of the Expanded Universe is a shield from all of Disney's creatively destructive obscenity, and it's a shield I want to stay up. Keep those creatively inept retards away from my favorite characters, thank you.
 
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Mississippi Motorboater said:
I've said this numerous times, but it never stops being true...especially with the 10th anniversary of the EU Decanonization coming up in a few weeks:

The Decanonizatoon of the Expanded Universe is a shield from all of Disney's creatively destructive obscenity, and it's a shield I want to stay up. Keep those creatively inept retards away from my favorite characters, thank you.
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except for Thrawn
 
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Mr. 0 said:
except for Thrawn
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That would only be a problem if Thrawn was ever a favorite character of mine. Which he wasn't, and still isn't.

In fact, the more times Zahn returned to that character, the more he defanged and lionized he made him. Stripped of all the villainous qualities that made him a memorable character in the first place, diluted and neutered to the point of being dreadfully fucking boring. And by the time you reach Zahn's modern efforts with the character in his more recent books, fucking forget about it: Thrawn and his species have become hyper-genius blue space elves who are beyond moral and personal reproach, even being the architects of the Skywalker surname.
 
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