Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[I call shenanigans]

After extensive prodding from me, he told me today that he plans on taking his own life 'eventually'.

In my experience those that talk about aren’t the ones that go through with it. It’s the people that keep those feelings to themselves that you really have to worry about.

 

[ScurvyRat]

In my experience those that talk about aren’t the ones that go through with it. It’s the people that keep those feelings to themselves that you really have to worry about.

This is why it is emotional manipulation and @Justafish needs to nut up and show their tranny friend what happens when you talk like that.

 

[Justafish]

Fair advice. Called emergency services not too long ago. Fingers crossed this is a reality check for him.

He isn't someone I lean on for emotional support. As far as friendships go, I have much more fulfilling and rewarding connections in other parts of my life. So I'm not stuck with him or anything; I just want to help the people in my life in the ways I can. For a while, I didn't mind him being emotionally distant as I figured with more time spent together, he'd feel more comfortable and loosen up. That's on me for having that expectation.

I will say he hasn't talked about feeling suicidal to me the entire time we've known each other. I've always been the one to intiate any emotional connection (usually asking if he's okay, saying he seems down, something along those lines), and extensive prodding is necessary to get any answers about his emotions.

When I say "extensive prodding", I mean I basically had to pull teeth to get him to admit something was wrong. He kept using vague wording to skirt around what exactly was wrong. I had to follow my hunch and guessed he was feeling suicidal, which he finally admitted. He did refer to himself as a 'coward', and admitted he didn't have a concrete date or plan, but as soon as he 'had the means' he would end himself.

 

[Kaiba Cuqk63]

A good friend of mine for many years is considering transing her 3 year old son. I'll just make it clear up front: she's not smart. She is precisely the kind of person the CCP targets with its tiktok algorithm as she believes everything she sees on that site and assumes everyone is as qualified as they claim.

Her son has recently taken a liking to dresses and makeup and apparently gets very upset when told no. I'm confused why she is letting a 3 year old wear makeup at all, but I chose not to press that because many kids like experimenting with their mom's makeup. She thinks this means he might be a she. She's too dumb to recognize the elephant in the room: She has a 2 year old daughter. Obviously, children want to have and do everything their siblings do, especially in response to a new sibling so close in age. I'm terrified that when he starts school they are going to tell him he's a girl and he'll parrot that back to his mom. And from there he will be harmed greatly.

I am not this kid's parent and I don't want to try to tell my friend what to do. If this stuff persists, odds are her son is just gay and a gender clinician is highly likely to put him through this modern day conversion therapy known as gender affirming care. But I have met this child and he's a healthy, happy boy with a bright future. I feel powerless as I want her to understand that you can embrace gender non-conformity (and in fact historically this has been celebrated in the case of people like Freddie Mercury and Frida Kahlo) without living a lie, but I can't tell her what to do. The clock is ticking on this child's safety and I don't know what to do at all.

I've told her (in the least crazy sounding way possible) that I don't think this movement and the claims being made are scientific or safe anymore (they never were, but it's easier to just say it started out ok). She has no scientific literacy, so I can't appeal to the actual research and how little it actually supports this stuff. She thinks I've just been running with the wrong circles. But I used to think like she does before I realized that centralizing oppressor/oppressed dynamics doesn't help the so-called oppressed and it serves as a gateway to accepting infantilizing and ignorant ideas. This seems to be the hardest thing for people to overcome. It always felt like we were on the right side standing up for minorities and gay people. So it's immensely difficult to come to the realization that this time standing up for the "oppressed" is actually oppressive.

I don't think there's anything I can do to help this child, so I guess this is more venting than anything else. I just hope the scientific analysis going on in Europe makes its way to America before he is in too deep.

 

[weirdwound]

god, kids can't even have an imagination or play make-believe anymore? They can't play dress up? That kid could wake up tomorrow and say he's a puppy and drink water out of a bowl because kids play make-believe!! Let them play!

 

[Kaiba Cuqk63]

god, kids can't even have an imagination or play make-believe anymore? They can't play dress up? That kid could wake up tomorrow and say he's a puppy and drink water out of a bowl because kids play make-believe!! Let them play!

From the DSM 5, we can see that 5 of the 8 criteria for gender dysphoria in children are simply cross gendered behavior, with two criteria dedicated to simply playing with the wrong toys. We know that, while not perfect, the best predictor of homosexuality later in life is cross gendered behavior. It's so blatantly obvious this is conversion therapy.

To be clear, in a psychiatric diagnosis, all of these criteria matter, especially the points about experiencing distress. Often the distress criterion is the sole difference between a quirk and a mental illness. But as children go to school and are told from a very young age that they might be in the wrong body, of course they are going to believe it and then insist this is bothering them. Educators and clinicians are speaking this shit into existence. The moment they display any gender non-conformity and make the mistake of telling their parents they really want this, a clinician adhering to the DSM-5 can only conclude this is a case of gender dysphoria.

 

[RisingPhoenix]

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From the DSM 5, we can see that 5 of the 8 criteria for gender dysphoria in children are simply cross gendered behavior, with two criteria dedicated to simply playing with the wrong toys.

I'm female (comfortably so) and I would of qualified for 2, 4, 5 & 6 on this list. It's a little scary to think if I was a kid now, a therapist might think I have Gender Dysphoria and told my parents I needed to be a boy to be happy.

I just liked video games, found boys easier to get on with because I can't deal with the social politics girls do, and liked soccer. It just feels like a lazy "fix" to make you "acceptable" somehow.

I get wanting to belong though. Its sad people get sold it on that idea when we want to claim we'll accept everyone as they are (with conditions)

 

[ScurvyRat]

Anyone involved in "transitioning" children should be executed. Disgusting.

 

[Jeremiah the Bullfrog]

Jesus Christ, the kid is 3 and she wants to put him on that road?

I’d say call CPS, but they’d probably provide the estrogen.

 

[TismFarmer]

@RisingPhoenix
I'm horrified too.
I fitted every single one of those except for 8, and I know that if I was told the usual crap they tell these GNC kids, I would have been so excited and would have run into the cult with open arms!!
The fact that it isn't true would never have occurred to me as I believed adults told the truth about important things like that.
The only reason I'm not on th other side of this, is because transition simply wasn't something anyone I knew, knew about. I had seen a documentary in the late 70's but that was a MTF and didn't really pass anyway. I had no choice but to work through it by myself and finally accept what couldn't be changed and make the most of it. I'm now very happy that I didn't destroy my body as I have 6 kids and 3 grandkids with more on the way. I would have killed myself if I had been tricked into doing to myself what FTM's do.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I'm female (comfortably so) and I would of qualified for 2, 4, 5 & 6 on this list. It's a little scary to think if I was a kid now, a therapist might think I have Gender Dysphoria and told my parents I needed to be a boy to be happy.

I just liked video games, found boys easier to get on with because I can't deal with the social politics girls do, and liked soccer. It just feels like a lazy "fix" to make you "acceptable" somehow.

I get wanting to belong though. Its sad people get sold it on that idea when we want to claim we'll accept everyone as they are (with conditions)

Its the perfect example of therapist not only being useless in fixing existing issues but actually being the ones who are causing the mental health problems to begin with. Transing kids is just the new fad but they've been medicalizing and patologizing normal kid behaviour for the shalowest dumbest reasons for a long time. It was already pretty bad in the 90s and we know how millenials who were put on that threadmill as kids turned out.

 

[gohi_trout]

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From the DSM 5, we can see that 5 of the 8 criteria for gender dysphoria in children are simply cross gendered behavior, with two criteria dedicated to simply playing with the wrong toys. We know that, while not perfect, the best predictor of homosexuality later in life is cross gendered behavior. It's so blatantly obvious this is conversion therapy.

To be clear, in a psychiatric diagnosis, all of these criteria matter, especially the points about experiencing distress. Often the distress criterion is the sole difference between a quirk and a mental illness. But as children go to school and are told from a very young age that they might be in the wrong body, of course they are going to believe it and then insist this is bothering them. Educators and clinicians are speaking this shit into existence. The moment they display any gender non-conformity and make the mistake of telling their parents they really want this, a clinician adhering to the DSM-5 can only conclude this is a case of gender dysphoria.

The kid is a little boy, he does not have to be gay in anyway, in the 1800s it was the norm for aristocrats to dress their male babies in dresses. Were all aristocrats homosexual men, no. To insinuate that a 3 year old is going to be homosexual, because his mother is allowing him to play princess and dressing him in dresses is insane.

 

[Kaiba Cuqk63]

The kid is a little boy, he does not have to be gay in anyway, in the 1800s it was the norm for aristocrats to dress their male babies in dresses. Were all aristocrats homosexual men, no. To insinuate that a 3 year old is going to be homosexual, because his mother is allowing him to play princess and dressing him in dresses is insane.

Considering he's 3, I have no clue whatsoever who he'll be attracted to, just pointing out how easily these things can be confused and that gay kids are the most vulnerable. The research associating cross gendered behavior and homosexuality still topped out at about 30% accuracy with thin data, which is better than simple chance but by no means a perfect predictor.


I spoke with her again last night and it's worse than I thought. She told me SHE is putting the makeup on him now and that she is asking leading questions like "do you feel like you're a boy or a girl?" Just appalling. Eventually he's gonna agree if she keeps asking, and I told her that.

 

[Aunt Carol]

SHE is putting the makeup on him now a

Gross. You wouldn't do that on a three-year-old girl. She's setting it up so that he understands "yes" = "attention" in a new game he's learning from Mommy.

 

[Hrafn]

The research associating cross gendered behavior and homosexuality still topped out at about 30% accuracy with thin data, which is better than simple chance but by no means a perfect predictor.

PLish no1curr but I was a tomboyish child growing up and my parents just rolled with it because it was harmless fun and I just wanted to play outside in the dirt with hot wheels and sperg about Pokémon. Now as an adult I've turned out to be an androgynous lesbian and life is pretty damn normal, I get up, go to work and shitpost online just like everyone else. It's not impossible that this research cited here is onto something, but there's a lot of straight tomboys out there too so perhaps it's not a super accurate predictor. Still interesting regardless imo. The concept of trooning out didn't even exist when I was a child though and even if it did, I have a feeling that my mother wouldn't have bought into it regardless because she had at least basic common sense.

She told me SHE is putting the makeup on him now

Oh no
I don't know your friend very well aside from what you shared but that alone makes me think that she's gunning for a trans child as perhaps a status thing or something. Tread carefully and keep trying to feed her easy to understand info that she's doing the wrong thing buying into this. What's important here is the child's wants needs and happiness, not hers, kid probably just wants to play around with feminine stuff because he likes a feminine cartoon/Disney character or something and wants to emulate them, that's all it is sometimes.

Might be worth showing her how puberty blockers fucked up Jazz Jennings and ruined any surgeries maybe? I've heard that was an enlightening moment for several normies. Good luck out there, it's a hard battle.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

I know several parents at work who have spontaneously mentioned that their kids are trans. One of the kids was probably about ten, the other early teens. They've never told me what their favorite band is, but goddamn it, everyone has to know their kid is a genderspecial.

It's absolutely disgusting that these parents are more interested in status symbols than having a healthy child, and are willing to give their child a shorter lifetime with severe medical problems just to get attention at work.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

happy boy with a bright future

Sounds more like his future is grim.

 

[Kaiba Cuqk63]

Gross. You wouldn't do that on a three-year-old girl. She's setting it up so that he understands "yes" = "attention" in a new game he's learning from Mommy.

What's important here is the child's wants needs and happiness, not hers, kid probably just wants to play around with feminine stuff because he likes a feminine cartoon/Disney character or something and wants to emulate them, that's all it is sometimes.

OK, so get this. I asked her when this started, and she said it was after he started religiously watching Moana. I'm pretty sure every character in that movie, including the Rock, wears a grass skirt. From there, he decided he would try to wear his younger sisters small dresses as a sort of skirt.

So how the fuck did this escalate to wearing dresses in public, shopping for girls clothes (yes seriously), and putting him in makeup??? There's a huge hole here. I'm starting to feel like she took the most mundane thing possible (a child playing in their siblings clothes) and  she chose to make something out of this.

I'll not shit up this thread with any more updates as this is for my friend and her family to deal with. But I found a crack in the armor when I took the misogyny angle. While not directly related to her son, the downfall of this cult is that it's so sprawling you can penetrate it from any angle. That was enough to get her to concede questioning is not transphobic, so hopefully the seeds take root.

 

[ScurvyRat]

OK, so get this. I asked her when this started, and she said it was after he started religiously watching Moana. I'm pretty sure every character in that movie, including the Rock, wears a grass skirt. From there, he decided he would try to wear his younger sisters small dresses as a sort of skirt.

So how the fuck did this escalate to wearing dresses in public, shopping for girls clothes (yes seriously), and putting him in makeup??? There's a huge hole here. I'm starting to feel like she took the most mundane thing possible (a child playing in their siblings clothes) and  she chose to make something out of this.

You're right on the money here. There's a reason that everyone calls this shit Munchousen by proxy.
The mother is mentally unwell and she is projecting that onto the LITERAL TODDLER in her care. You'll lose your friend if you speak bluntly about this, so I don't have any guidance. That poor kid, dude.

I'll not shit up this thread with any more updates as this is for my friend and her family to deal with. But I found a crack in the armor when I took the misogyny angle. While not directly related to her son, the downfall of this cult is that it's so sprawling you can penetrate it from any angle. That was enough to get her to concede questioning is not transphobic, so hopefully the seeds take root.

This is what the thread is for. You're not shitting it up.

 

[Kaiba Cuqk63]

I'm horrified too.
I fitted every single one of those except for 8, and I know that if I was told the usual crap they tell these GNC kids, I would have been so excited and would have run into the cult with open arms!!
The fact that it isn't true would never have occurred to me as I believed adults told the truth about important things like that.
The only reason I'm not on th other side of this, is because transition simply wasn't something anyone I knew, knew about. I had seen a documentary in the late 70's but that was a MTF and didn't really pass anyway. I had no choice but to work through it by myself and finally accept what couldn't be changed and make the most of it. I'm now very happy that I didn't destroy my body as I have 6 kids and 3 grandkids with more on the way. I would have killed myself if I had been tricked into doing to myself what FTM's do.

The most insidious part of this is it's a total trap. Many boys and girls grow up being GNC as described in this diagnosis. So let's say a kid meets every criteria except distress. Then puberty happens. For kids with mixed sex friend groups, the distinction between platonic and romantic relationships will be confused and friendships will naturally deteriorate. So there it is: the social distress. And puberty takes years, so the distress will be sustained. A natural part of life coupled with otherwise pretty normal behavior perfectly mimics the diagnostic criteria.