Warhammer 40k

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Femstode controversy aside, I find it ironic that a bunch of battered housewife faggots who are still willing to paypig for GW after they spat in your face like this are calling other people gay for liking lean women. How's it taste with Gay Wokeshop's boot in your mouth?

I left 40k right around the time when Total War Warhammer 2 got released. Only dabbling in Fantasy occasionally

 

[Pygmy Giraffe]

This is a general call to downdoot and ignore @The tired cat Xhe doesnt care about 40k, only xer culture war shit. Don't engage the Br*tish communist filth. Just Point and laugh. (S)he hates you, so feel free to hate xer right back.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

My guess is, despite the fact that there's a lot of anger in the online 40K community due to the Femstodes, the normie consumers won't care, because they don't give a flying shit about the lore. To them, 40K is just a toy soldier game they play at wargaming places or paint as a canvas. They see no difference between it and say, GI Joe, Marvel, Transformers, or Star Wars; they're just toy franchises for them to collect or play with. The people who care about the lore and the story, yes, they're up in arms. Just as they were with the Primaris. But let's get real here, those people represent a negligible amount of the people who buy this slop. Hell, some lore fans have spent years not painting a single army or playing a single game because of how GW raises prices all the time.

People will keep saying that 40K fans are going to boycott GW over this, just like they said when GW raised prices or forced them to accept the Primaris. But at the end of the day, this will all be just a nothingburger because the fuckin' whales don't give two flying shits if there's Fem Custodes or Fem Marines. The only thing they will care about is if they look nice or if they have good stats, which the Fem Marines that will inevitably come probably will have, since GW and their ESG masters would encourage people to buy them.

I hope I'm wrong about this, but experience has shown me otherwise. Forcing the Primaris in violated the lore from the 90s onwards. Jacking up the price tag is horribly anti-consumer, but they kept buying the product anyways.

The lore fans and the naysayers will continue to claim that an incoming boycott will kill GW, but the matter of the fact is, the whales are addicted, and that's all GW needs to keep moving forward. This isn't the SW fanbase that let Solo bomb at the box office as a ''fuck you'' to Disney after TLJ. How many times have we heard that GW is going to get fucked by 3D printing and angry fans, only for GW to keep on going because the people who buy their product don't care about their lackadaisical attitude towards lore and product prices? One too many times, in my count. GW will keep abusing the lore and their fans, but so long as the whales and the ESG companies keep the money coming in, they won't care, they never cared.

 

[The tired cat]

The people who care about the lore and the story, yes, they're up in arms. Just as they were with the Primaris. But let's get real here, those people represent a negligible amount of the people who buy this slop. Hell, some lore fans have spent years not painting a single army or playing a single game because of how GW raises prices all the time.

Lore fans also constantly fight among each other and at times over the dumbest shit. Not exactly people you can please.

One too many times, in my count. GW will keep abusing the lore and their fans, but so long as the whales and the ESG companies keep the money coming in, they won't care, they never cared.

Say whaaa? A capitalistic company wants to make money and thus clearly playing both side, because they're reactionary "muh fee fee " driven morons? Why, that really has blown my mind! Just like the time when they told me, how to live longer you need to breath.

 

[Pygmy Giraffe]

Remember to just downdoot and scroll down creatures who want to destroy your hobby. Thank you for listening.

 

[Green Kitbash]

I really would need to see the Financials as Games Workshop has a player problem, a pricing problem and a supply problem on the game side.

I'm not positive you can dismiss the lore segment given how successful the books and games are

 

[Michael Wade]

On the surface level I normally wouldn't care about chick marines or whatever. The problem is it won't be done well and more importantly it will never stop. They won't be satisfied until they are the new face of the franchise.

Frankly it was hilarious how they tried to retcon everything to say they were always there. The only way it's remotely working is if the yellow king, cawl or bile figures this shit out. Otherwise say goodbye to 50 percent of the fanbase.

If I were writing things, it'd be Chaos attempting to create female Space Marines, while the Imperium just won't create them, even if they could, either out of some superstitious fear that the Emperor would strike them down for tampering with his ''perfect'' creations, or out of respect for his example due to him never making female power-armored Space Marines. Kind of like how Catholicism has no priestesses because Jesus Christ had 12 male apostles, no female apostles. Tradition is important in the Imperium, and they'd stick to it even if it hurts them. At least that was the Imperium I was originally acquainted with.

I thought chaos mucking about was the plan. Bile has been working pretty hard on the newmen for a while and achieving some success book wise. They wouldn't be heros but it would be cool to see them become an independent faction from chaos. Plus the whole genetic perfection angle fills out the kinks.

Agreed. The Custodes are too powerful of an asset to just keep on Terra while the Imperium slowly crumbles into collapse. That, and we already know that the Emperor can send messages and intervene in the case of Saint Celestine, so he'd also have the ability to tell one of the guards in his palace to fucking DO SOMETHING about the collapsing Imperium. If they were all going to just mope and whine and be useless, they should've killed themselves ages ago.

Keeping the Custodes in Terra doing nothing while the Imperium slowly collapses is like keeping the Jedi Order in Coruscant doing nothing while the Republic collapses. It's stupid.

Ironically I remember skimming a recent book description on TV tropes that basically confirmed they do secretly go out and operate on their own wherever they feel needed. The whole book conflict was over the perception that the high lords were holding them back (incorrect) and the lords reluctance to give up power to ultra Rob. (Correct)

This is a general call to downdoot and ignore @The tired cat Xhe doesnt care about 40k, only xer culture war shit. Don't engage the Br*tish communist filth. Just Point and laugh. (S)he hates you, so feel free to hate xer right back.

The furry is a paid shill who's heresy will be cleansed in healing fire.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

Ah shit, I'm late to the "female Custodes" thing. If something makes "no difference" (to the retards who approve of the Fem. Custodes) why the fuck did they change it then? Yeah that's my piece, there's many other reasons to hate the change but I find that part the funniest. Reminds me of the Nexusmods thing. "Woke' stuff isn't important, but if you make any mods that are anti-woke then you're banned, bigot." Except it's "Why do female Custodes matter to you, bigot? It doesn't change anything! But if you dislike it you're a bigot and banned from our community!"

Remember to just downdoot and scroll down creatures who want to destroy your hobby. Thank you for listening.

This but without the reddit term. A community with no gatekeeping is a fortress open to invaders.

To them, 40K is just a toy soldier game they play at wargaming places or paint as a canvas. They see no difference between it and say, GI Joe, Marvel, Transformers, or Star Wars; they're just toy franchises for them to collect or play with.

Pretty much, the average normie gives as much of a fuck about a franchise as any other. Most people in a hobby, let alone the world, don't engage with the community beyond seeing highly rated posts that is highly rated for one reason or another. "They see 'x', they soypog, and then they leave."

The lore fans and the naysayers will continue to claim that an incoming boycott will kill GW, but the matter of the fact is, the whales are addicted, and that's all GW needs to keep moving forward. This isn't the SW fanbase that let Solo bomb at the box office as a ''fuck you'' to Disney after TLJ. How many times have we heard that GW is going to get fucked by 3D printing and angry fans, only for GW to keep on going because the people who buy their product don't care about their lackadaisical attitude towards lore and product prices? One too many times, in my count. GW will keep abusing the lore and their fans, but so long as the whales and the ESG companies keep the money coming in, they won't care, they never cared.

Well said, the people who boycott are barely a fraction of a franchise, the whales only amount to so much regardless. No big influencer who disagrees with this retcon will openly state it unless they're already blacklisted from GW or the community (Arch Warhammer for example), or else they'll lose any sort of actual influence they have as they're listed as "not a sheep." To truly "kill" a franchise is to either purge it from your mind and forget about it, or for the company to make a decision that the majority of the people who fund them will revolt against. It's the only way, no amount of 3D printers and upset true fans will matter if the majority of normies don't care. Blackrock can probably sustain "losing" money with ESG for years, because their income probably easily sustains them.

 

[The tired cat]

The furry is a paid shill who's heresy will be cleansed in healing fire.

Wait, I can get paid for this? Shit, wheres my check from GW then.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I don't tho. I want people to come to the hobby who enjoy the hobby the way it is right now.

I also want new tank designs for the imperial guard I'm tired of 900 new space marine box sets also can we at least see a chapter that works more closely with the imperial guard I know there's some.

Ciaphas Cain​

his student should have an overall effect on the way the future commissariat conducts itself seeing how he taught a large amount of students or is that just not matter because his name isn't gillman and only guilliman can affect the overall course of the imperium because he's a Primark stupid favouritism of The Smurfs.
Him being the hero of the imperium just has no effect in the commissaries continue being ********* I swear GW will never let anybody besides the space marines do anything of note the overall changes the trajectory of the setting

 

[ShitLurker]

Regardless of how many youtube channels constantly mention One Page Rules, no one plays it. I've seen people try to play it, maybe a couple of friends who are both irritated by GW because of something they did that particular week give it a try, and then never touch it again.

I've played more OPR than 10th edition! ... and it's still not that much. I'm sure there are more dedicated communities, but there was some hubub in my local area that kind of just died off on it's own. It goes back to the usual reality that for a non GW game to thrive, it needs a champion or 3 to constantly organize events and meetups, at least till it starts getting actual traction. I am working on my High Elf Fleets (bootleg Eldar) printed army and has given me an excuse to collect a small Eldar force focused around Aspect warriors that is actually gameplay viable. I'm also using them as proxies for Firefight, though again, that one is also pretty light,

I've heard Kings of War has(or at least had) a following in Europe. Never seen that following in the US.

Have a big community of that here, but I am in Europe. The KoW people are very dedicated though. I personally love the game and how many opportunities for modelling it offers. Have a full Free and Imperial Dwarf armies made out of Oathmark, Avatars of War, Forgotten World, MOM miniatures, offical Mantic and other smaller brands here and there and being able to customize it with whatever I thought was cool as pure joy. Also have some Riftforged Orcs in the pile of shame I'll get to once I have finished all of my Dwarfs.

Biggest suggestion I can give is to join the big Facebook group if you can stomach that and ask if there is anything near your area. I honestly think the game is worth it, specially if you want rank and flank.

Hell, you're more likely to be able to find a game for Marvel Crisis Protocol, Star Wars Legion, or Shatterpoint than any of what you just listed and look at how Disney has been treating those IPs for the past decade. A Song of Ice and Fire has a decent following if you're into that. Conquest and Infinity I've also seen people host successful events for, so those also have a draw. I'd put Battletech on the "could find a game if you asked around enough" list as well.

Crisis, Legion and Shatterpoint do seem popular in my area, but I have a seething hatred for the disney goyslop, so even if the system is possibly great, I'm just unwilling to engage.

I played a lot of Song of Ice and Fire during it's first edition though and its alright, though the game is pretty swingy and it's not really rank and flank as much as 4-6 units on the table with a gigantic foot print due to how mobile they are, models are great for the price point though, have been considering more than a few times to use them as a base for another KoW army. It's definitely on the cheaper side or you can look into installing the vassal module to try it with some online rando if that makes you more comfortable, since the module is incredibly refined.

Conquest... is weird as fuck, the game feels astroturfed to high hell with a lot of venture capital behind it, like if it was some rich dude's passion project. I do have an army of Dweghom that I've fielded a few times, but I pretty much just use it as an Ogre army in KoW. The game's scale is huge so model reusability is on the hard side and it demands big formations to really get to the meat of it. Basically, it's a very high investment game to get into. Rules are changing constantly which can be a good or bad thing depending on where you fall there. I did play it before it's 2.0 and after playing KoW, it honestly just felt very clumsy, though that may have improved (heard that unit trays of 4 models are now treated like single entities instead of a base with 4 models that reduce efficiency while taking wounds, this is important because cav and monsters that were a single one to a tray were strictly better thanks to being faster and being better at attrition). I'm also more and more convinced that rank and flank games really benefit a lot more from full IGO UGO turns than alternating activations, with IGO UGO formations are actually important, but with alternating it suddenly becomes a game of actions, reactions and outactivation.

As for Infinity, like the models, but never gelled with the game, needing laser pointers to play properly drives me up the wall, the older I become, the more I believe abstract LoS is king and "Real line of sight" is just arguments waiting to happen and in Infinity it's one of those systems where you really need to be able to get those clearly defined firing lanes.

Black Powder? Bolt Action I've seen sold and played in stores. Hell, I've seen events for it. There's a reason why someone thought that World of Tanks f2p grind fest could make for a miniatures game IP. But Black Powder? Again, it's one of those maybe someone can get a game in once a year type of things.

There was some noise about Bolt Action and was tempted to collect some germans, but never seemed to get traction on locals ad project fell on the wayside. System seemed neat though the random activation based on unit dice seemed like it could be very swingy. I've also heard that if you play it in a "non cavalier" way, a horde of angry nips running and stabbing is one of the most efficient forces in the game which is pretty retarded. But again, I wouldn't mind getting to a WW2 army eventually.

At least you didn't bother trying to bring up completely dead games(malifaux, warmahordes, xwing, etc.). Don't get me wrong, I would like for there to be more games to play, and GW doesn't need to occupy 80% of the market while the rest fight over the scraps. More variety is a good thing.

Well, again, this is all based on your community. There is a surprisingly active Malifaux community in my area, the fuckers have been keeping the game alive for like... what 5-6 years now? Since it stopped getting proper store support. They are very much still into it even though it's hell to actually get new players. I haven't played Malifaux in ages since I just couldn't keep up with the game's feature creep (aside from the setting and background becoming gayer and gayer each book as well as their designs being more insipid as time goes on) but as an objective based skirmish game it's still one of the best I ever played. Warmahordes I'm still sad it died the incredibly stupid death that it did... though you never know, if there are some grognards still playing MK2 and MK3, well, might be worth taking a peek is all I'm saying.

Unfortunately, in my opinion this cheap(er) credit is a form of malinvestment, because I think the goal of a company should be to earn revenue and make profits, not try to get by with borrowed money forever.

It's a ponzi scheme. Very much "first taste is free" territory. It's become more and more obvious to me that a ton of companies have become addicted to "free money" and now that it ain't free, there is a lot of panic in the air because they made their whole strategy around it, but it's not as easy to secure anymore. That GW is pandering to this faggotry this late is what baffles me.

I've always wondered how do players generally react to say, unpainted models or non-standard third party models?

Very much dependent on game. Hyper competitive 40K? They demand official models, give 0 shits about paint. For other competitive players it's strictly conditioned by how strict or lax the army presentation rules are. 40K for the most part is the most anal one about WYSIWYG though. For more casual environments, it depends more on the age of the game itself (and how it tends to attract some players or others). Older games have a lot more fully painted armies, KoW you barely ever see a table in events where everything isn't painted, it may or may not be the best quality, but it's mostly older men that have been in the hobby a very long time and have done a lot of projects. Song of Ice and Fire on the other hand you see a lot of plastic since it's much newer, it is also a good gateway game so for a decent number of people it's their first wargame and since there is no model assembly, the process of purchase to table is instant.

the only thing widening its appeal is his asshole for gay cocks
ill never get why they think we have some duty to make spaces we have for everyone. well i know they actually dont and they just want money i guess i dont get why they think its a good excuse, i mean they think were nazis. why would nazis want a nazi thing to be for queers niggers faggots and spics?

Well, yeah, of course it's about money, for the desire for the elusive "mass appeal", but these faggots never understand that if you change something too much to make it appeal to more people, it can suddenly lose it's appeal for the people that always stuck with you and you suddenly start bleeding out. It's the usual "why are the white people leaving but no women and blacks replacing them in droves?", because you pissed off the whites by alienating them and the women and blacks never cared from the outset.

It depends. We'll have to see how well this sells. If it fails, then yes, the fans rejected it. But if sells out, well, that wouldn't surprise me.

There are no sells to correlate though. It's why this move is extra shifty. GW has always taken decisions based on their release schedule. But there is nothing to release here. Women custodes are a thing now, but if you look at the model range only, you would be none the wiser. Ursual Creed wasn't just name dropped, you had her ugly mug right then and there day 1 with the Guard release. This was purely a virtue signal to the faggots asking for female space marines and they will get asspats for a day till the thirst for their blood comes back louder than ever since they bent the knee for effectively nothing.

How do you know they're all tourists and not all long term fans of 40K?

Also, 40K is a strange beast since it's the only wargame that is not just about the wargame. You can be a 40K fan and only read the novels, or be a 40K fan and only play the videogames.

 

[Penne Dreadful]

I just dont get why they went full retard with it... just give the primaris treatment...

Why piss off your fans in the age of 3d printing?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't with this sort of change. Primaris were met with huge outrage at the time, with the most common sentiment being that they should have just released truescale loyalist Marines as they had with Chaos instead of adding an enormous Mary-Sue in the form of Cawl who could outdo the Emperor (and invalidate Marine armies, the most common among players, in the process) to add a whole new design language, which also didn't have a good looking model until Bladeguard. To this day, I still count Primaris among the fluff that I don't acknowledge for my 40k TTRPG. Total retcons aren't much better, but also hardly unprecedented - people gradually seem to have come to accept Newcrons and that was far more jarring than this, which desperately searched for technicalities to say that ACKSHUALLY, there was always room in the setting for this.

Pic related sums up a very common sentiment toward the Primaris treatment.

 

[p1138]

Warmahordes I'm still sad it died the incredibly stupid death that it did... though you never know, if there are some grognards still playing MK2 and MK3, well, might be worth taking a peek is all I'm saying.

I've still got a large warmahordes mk3 army sitting around somewhere collecting dust. At this point I'd love for the studio to finally go bankrupt, have someone buy the IP and rebuild it into a new game. But this time without the tranny poz discord, the community that decides it's a good idea to take calipers to game stores to measure spray templates for advantage... so much potential but so much fucking fail.

And as a company their insistence on having 20+ warcasters for some factions(which is more than unit counts for some 40k armies) and never dropping anything from the game certainly didn't help either(leading to utterly massive SKU bloat). Nor did insisting on staying in Washington state when they got eminent domain'd out of their existing building(could have taken the money and setup in a cheaper area). Really Matt Wilson micromanaged the company into failure. At one point in late mk3 they had their QA lead blow up on FB admitting he hadn't played the game in a damned year... shit is just ridiculous.

 

[The tired cat]

This but without the reddit term. A community with no gatekeeping is a fortress open to invaders

An with too much gatekeeping it become stagnant or might as well become incestious.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

I left 40k right around the time when Total War Warhammer 2 got released. Only dabbling in Fantasy occasionally

I like Fantasy, but fuck me did they fuck it up with The End Time, I know that was ages ago but it still sucks. Age of Sigma is meh, Total War was completely butchered when TW Warhammer became popular. It was not in the best spot but still.

 

[Pierre D'Olnique]

The only people complaining about gatekeeping are people the gate was supposed to keep out.

 

[ShitLurker]

And as a company their insistence on having 20+ warcasters for some factions(which is more than unit counts for some 40k armies) and never dropping anything from the game certainly didn't help either(leading to utterly massive SKU bloat).

To be fair, Warmachine should have gone into "maintanance mode" after like the 5th expansion book where it should just have been a unit or two per faction and mostly fluff and do a new game instead. But they always failed miserably to expand out of the warmahordes brand. Malifaux had the exact same issue where they were just unable to release a different self sustaining product to slow down the releases on the main line (The Other Side was a disaster of epic proportions) and stop it getting too bloated, but it's hard to do something like this when only the main game actually brings in money. Only brand I saw managed to do that was Infinity with the release of Aristeia.

Nor did insisting on staying in Washington state when they got eminent domain'd out of their existing building(could have taken the money and setup in a cheaper area). Really Matt Wilson micromanaged the company into failure. At one point in late mk3 they had their QA lead blow up on FB admitting he hadn't played the game in a damned year... shit is just ridiculous.

This on the other hand is them just being retarded. I was around during the MKII beta and that was a great time between the ending of MK1 and the release of MKII, I did kind of lose my mojo in the middle of MKII (I played Menoth and Skorne, once the dust settled they came out well enough but Menoth lost a lot of it's denial identity in the change and Skorne completely lost it's original vision of "I will punish you for doing what you want really hard"), but I was still passively following around.

But jesus FUCK was MKIII a giant fucking disaster and purely self inflicted. I'm still amazed at how they killed the Privateer program and the forums back to back. These games live and die by their community ambassadors and shills.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

I've always wondered how do players generally react to say, unpainted models or non-standard third party models?

If you buy miniatures and do not paint them, you are a gigantic faggot. Why are you in the hobby in the first place? Half the fun, half the point is painting.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

An with too much gatekeeping it become stagnant or might as well become incestious.

Correct, that's the problem. Gatekeep too much your community will die unless it's always active with enough people. Gatekeep too little and the cancer will spread. Just be intelligent about it.
Also, nice stocks GW.

The only people complaining about gatekeeping are people the gate was supposed to keep out.

Hear that phrase often whenever someone complains about gatekeeping. Like Clockwork.

If you buy miniatures and do not paint them, you are a gigantic faggot. Why are you in the hobby in the first place? Half the fun, half the point is painting.

I remember there was this massive faggot at my local game store where they had tournaments (not just Warhammer), he'd always run a meta army for Warhammer (he only came in to buy Warhammer figures and play Warhammer every so often) and they were always unpainted. Store banned unpainted models and I never heard from him again. Fuck you Nathan you lazy fuck, fuck you and your Screamer Star bullshit. Whatever, store was closed a while ago.

 

[The tired cat]

Also, nice stocks GW.
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I never really got why the stock thing as this "Gotcha!" moment, that shit shifts for many reasons and I highly doubt Fem custodes are one of them.

Hear that phrase often whenever someone complains about gatekeeping. Like Clockwork.

Honestly, not that different from the mouthbreathers who cry "We need to gatekeep 24/7", both are insuffarable twats.