Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

I skim-read the tweets originally and thought that he was just vague-posting about JKR, probably because of the 'let's say he' comment. Has he said anything specific about something happening to him at Berkeley before or was it totally ambiguous implicatory baloney? I'm assuming totally ambiguous.
 
Since the birth of Bobby Joe, Joe so far has posted pictures of himself with two day stubble, simpler clothing and now in just a plain black T-shirt. Even his moobs seem flatter in the picture posted by @Potatis Salad. BTW, everyone looks so happy in that shot. So heartwarming ❤️

Is his exploration of his gender identity now redefining trans womanhood and motherhood as a jowly flabby man in jeans? I’ll be a bit sad to see the back of the clown wardrobe, but curious to see how he sells himself as a victim of transphobia while presenting as just another aging faux hipster Brooklyn dad.
 
I skim-read the tweets originally and thought that he was just vague-posting about JKR, probably because of the 'let's say he' comment. Has he said anything specific about something happening to him at Berkeley before or was it totally ambiguous implicatory baloney? I'm assuming totally ambiguous.
There was a long stretch of posts, mostly in his Insta stories, talking about professional setbacks that he believed were the result of deep-rooted transphobia at Berkeley. He likened these experiences to being "raped."

The timeline is really unclear, and all we know is that he's being doing less and less at Berkeley for a while, but something specific *happened* on October 2022 that made him hate them. It's hard to say whether the relationship soured because Joe got lazy and didn't want to be professional, or whether he started pulling away because someone in the department clearly hates him and wants him to quit.

Here's some earlier posts about it.
Something seems awry in Joe land lately:
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"Work situation" --is it too much to hope Berkeley is giving him the boot?
Pozzed Berekely did a transphobia? [x]
Remember Joe also vaguebooked that this situation was due to someone's "erotic attachment to [his] lack of discipline."
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only ~100,000 people died from AIDS in the 1980's, more than a third weren't gay men)
Tbf, SF was hit pretty hard by the AIDS epidemic. I don’t find it particularly hard to believe that a gay academic at Berkeley in the 80s had a lot of friends die of AIDS. What I do find hard to believe is anything else Lavery writes.
 
But not all. I can think of exactly one crabby genius, and he is unpopular and isolated. And I didn’t realize why until I’d known him for a few years: it’s because he is old and gay, and while his friends were dying in the 80s his colleagues were homophobic bigots.

After the queer studies department the English lit. department is the gayest department on the campus.

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The Anglosphere in the 1980s was sooooo homophobic.

We’re living through an age of anti-trans hate of an unprecedented sort. Most of that is visible—god knows, anonymous accounts swarm me and call me a paedophile every other week. But some of it is invisible and consequential, and I’m terrified it is going to make me too angry.

Poor Joe. "[E]very other week" isn't that bad. How does the "swarm" of transphobes coordinate so that Joe gets called a pedo only "every other week"? They don't appear serious about harassment. Wouldn't it be better--for them, not Joe--if they coordinated such that Joe was called a pedo every day or at least every other day?

"Invisible and consequential" would be difficult to distinguish from imaginary or fabricated. Joe must have special powers of discernment that ordinary humans lack. How can Joe link an "invisible" cause to a visible effect?

At some point, when a particular file has been dislodged from the position it has occupied for nearly two years, I have some serious shit to get off my chest about my place of work. But it’s more than just “the Berkeley English department is a transphobic hellhole.”

Joe is on the cutting edge of progressivist identity politics, and the Department can't keep up. Offering classes in Queer Nature and Difference and Desire are insufficient. Having departmental specialists in Gender and Sexuality Studies won't cut it. Being granted sabbatical leave to write books on trannies is similarly wanting. Joe, tell us how the Berkeley English Department can be made less of a "transphobic hellhole.” Do not forsake the Berkeley English Department. Educate them on how they can trannify the entire Department and put you in your rightful place.

Similar to your capacity to identify the "invisible and consequential", I can recognize the subtext of your Xeets, Joe. I get you. There are too many uppity bitches in the English Department. Bitches like this:
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Joe, you just know that she thinks she is better than you because she has a vulva and vagina. You should be a full professor and John F. Hotchkis Chair in English. You are so much better than her. Abel should kneel before you so that you can insert your hand into her mouth. Show her who's the boss. Take a photo and then post it on social media.

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Don't these other bitches need a hand in their mouths?
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In an ideal Joe-centric world, these bitches would be forced to cut off their tits and inject testosterone. This would knock them down a peg. After their forced masculinization Joe can insert his hand in their mouths with aplomb.

Everyone knows that envy is a virtue and the best way to deal with envy is to destroy the object of your envy. How can anyone expect Joe to come to work and be surrounded by women who remind him that he isn't a woman? It's transphobic. This is the "transphobic hellhole" that Joe is referring to. It's also transphobic that Joe isn't the departmental head. The whole (Cisnormative) System is against Joe. Joe is speaking truth to power. Would it kill these bitches if they submitted to Joe and willingly accepted his hand in their mouths?

I don’t know how to preserve my sanity in a profession that seems to delight in sabotaging it. It’s not just the bad guys, either—that’s the kicker. Some transphobes are brilliant, beloved, frequently cited. There are some among your faves, probably—certainly among mine.

Obeisance towards trannies is important. Joe isn't asking for much. He just wants his--predominantly female--colleagues to agree with all of his opinions and to genuflect to him in recognition of his brilliance and superiority. Joe's "brilliant" colleagues should be able to recognize Joe's brilliance and the unassailable quality of all of his opinions. Failing to do so is transphobic.

Every day I get closer to the door. I am so, so angry and I don’t want to be this angry any more.

It's frustrating when you want to call a woman an uppity cunt and force your hand into her mouth and the Cisnormative System won't let you. All you can do is turn to Xitter and make vague posts about transphobia. Women are such bitches.

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Hey, Joe
Where you gonna run to now? Where you gonna run to?
Hey Joe, I said
Where you gonna run to now? Where you, where you gonna go?
 
While Joe would be utterly stupid to fuck up a tenured position, especially since he has a useless degree that's only really worth anything inside the humanities within academia I still put my money on him somehow losing it. Nobody thought Rhys McKinnon would be as stupid as to pull the you-can't-fire-me-I-quit routine but I did.

The fact that Joe is upping his aggressiveness and accusations of "transphobia" I imagine something has went down. Maybe it's as simple as they gave him a narc injury by not getting to force his students to read about his penis (maybe some uppity little bitch even complained).
 
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all we know is that he's being doing less and less at Berkeley for a while, but something specific *happened* on October 2022 that made him hate them. It's hard to say whether the relationship soured because Joe got lazy and didn't want to be professional, or whether he started pulling away because someone in the department clearly hates him and wants him to quit.
IIRC Joe was pushing his students' boundaries in terms of content. We know he was making them read overly sexual passages aloud and bragging about it online, and that means it's likely he was talking about disgusting sex shit in class too. I had a professor like this in my lone classics credit 15 years ago and still remember how cringe he was and how uncomfortable female students looked when he would start one of these "discussions".
The drama might simply be that Joe was told to stop talking about cocks in lecture and now he's raging eternally at being told "No".

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insert your hand into her mouth.
God, this is still one of the most depressing images in the entire thread. The misery in her expression, the total lack of any soul in her empty eyes, not to mention how uncomfortable it has to be to fit that much in her mouth - and that she let Joe post this online makes it even worse. I know narcs prey on the weak-willed, but how broken do you have to be to let yourself wind up like this, going from pleasantly cutesy feminist to the ruined plaything of a moronic, demented pervert?
Christ, it's like I'm looking at a serial killer's recording of the exact frame his victim expired.
 
IIRC Joe was pushing his students' boundaries in terms of content. We know he was making them read overly sexual passages aloud and bragging about it online, and that means it's likely he was talking about disgusting sex shit in class too. I had a professor like this in my lone classics credit 15 years ago and still remember how cringe he was and how uncomfortable female students looked when he would start one of these "discussions".
The drama might simply be that Joe was told to stop talking about cocks in lecture and now he's raging eternally at being told "No".

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Ol' Mallory used to know all about creepy old English professors. Somehow she forgot.
 
but something specific *happened* on October 2022 that made him hate them.
IIRC Joe was pushing his students' boundaries in terms of content.

Maybe. It’s hard to think anyone who voluntarily went to his classes is that easy to shock.

Here’s something that happened in October 2022: Matt Walsh got the go-ahead to show „What is a woman” at Berkeley. The event itself took place in November. At that time Joe co-chaired the Chancellor’s Committee on LGBTQ+ Community. No doubt he was agitating in the corridors of power to stop this transphobic event, to no avail. Last class taught: December 2022.
 
>SMITTY: “I didn’t mind the work, though, Hank. As long as I could go to bed at night knowing that at least one girl who feeds herself with a school-sponsored meal plan was impressed with me. That’s all the thanks I needed. The admiration of that girl who has very little to compare me to, and also tenure.”
Funny how it also works on girls who feed themselves through the power of their parents being terrifically rich, and then being modestly entertaining writers bankrolled by rich friends, huh? There's just something terribly funny about this railing at perverted professors, only to get swept up in the exact same thing - except Joe wasn't a generation older than Mallory, so clearly he was exempt from this screed because he was cool and hip and also he became a woman so it was different, obviously.
>Tagged: kill your male mentors
Look how well that worked out.
 
He's talking about "extravagant names" being the point of contention,
Even if that was the only thing wrong, people can insult Joe and his handmaidens all they want for picking something so fucking stupid.


* The abject whore who, since showing up, has been elbowing Mallory out of the picture?
* The abject whore who knows this ugly as fuck Britbong is a bona fide pervert, yet shares the ultimate intimacy of making a baby?

I thank God every time I read this thread that I'm not insane enough to be attracted to Joe and pray for the women who might ever be attracted to a clone of him.
Once again a reminder of who is fat and Lily did have sex with:

Of all the narc svengalii in NYC, this is what she chose to procreate with?
There's no defense, this guy screams mental illness and touching people sexually while they sleep without their consent is fine if you're dating. Or about to date. Or fall asleep on his couch.
The psychodrama of a the lives of a dozen pooners in NYC 2023 would be chock full of drama and a lot fresher than Mallory trying to imagine how her grandmother’s generation lived as young women.

It would be a uneventful subtle build up as everyone works to appease each other the first half of the novel, then chaos would break out at the halfway point, and by the last chapters it would look like a reenactment of Lord of the Flies by a bunch of short adult women who can barely survive in a city, much less an island.

Holy shit he was bitching about "rape" aka "a form of professional discipline"? Fucking how? This sounds like a teacher groped him, decided to actually sexually assault Joe, or force Joe to preform sexual acts against Joe's will. Genuinely, fucking HOW?


The timeline is really unclear, and all we know is that he's being doing less and less at Berkeley for a while, but something specific *happened* on October 2022 that made him hate them. It's hard to say whether the relationship soured because Joe got lazy and didn't want to be professional, or whether he started pulling away because someone in the department clearly hates him and wants him to quit.
All those other instagram post read like an overdramatic young woman or gay man, so congratulations to fail to be straight male, I guess.

Would it kill these bitches if they submitted to Joe and willingly accepted his hand in their mouths?
What would he want the male coworkers to do? Quit?

While Joe would be utterly stupid to fuck up a tenured position, especially since he has a useless degree that's only really worth anything inside the humanities within academia I still put my money on him somehow losing it.
I'm with you. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets his act together last minute so he can drive away from the baby and prey on more crazy academic chicks but I also would laugh and not be shocked if this was his plan all along. He can even whine and complain and claim unfair dismissal to his adoring public!

Maybe it's as simple as they gave him a narc injury by not getting to force his students to read about his penis (maybe some uppity little bitch even complained).
I could imagine him wanting a course entirely about his own writing career and that sounds like a giant trainwreck.

IIRC Joe was pushing his students' boundaries in terms of content. We know he was making them read overly sexual passages aloud and bragging about it online, and that means it's likely he was talking about disgusting sex shit in class too. I had a professor like this in my lone classics credit 15 years ago and still remember how cringe he was and how uncomfortable female students looked when he would start one of these "discussions".
Utterly haram, I'm sorry that happened. Even if the students there weren't repulsed, just think they could have done the same dick reading ar home for cheaper if they stayed at home and read stupid internet stories to their friends without paying a cent.
 
This is the only other callout I saw.

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And here's the full comment thread where he responded.

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Nature is healing. We've quickly gone from "mind your own business" to "actively handwaving away antisocial behavior" and I think most people are tired of it. Good for brittanygross41, I can't wait to see Joe laid waste by the ride of the Valkyries Karens.
 
God, this is still one of the most depressing images in the entire thread. The misery in her expression, the total lack of any soul in her empty eyes, not to mention how uncomfortable it has to be to fit that much in her mouth - and that she let Joe post this online makes it even worse. I know narcs prey on the weak-willed, but how broken do you have to be to let yourself wind up like this, going from pleasantly cutesy feminist to the ruined plaything of a moronic, demented pervert?
Christ, it's like I'm looking at a serial killer's recording of the exact frame his victim expired.
I’ve always wondered how Mallory would describe this photo. I’m sure it would involve thanking Joe for pushing her boundaries and exploring her suppressed kinky S&M desires because Joe would be sitting next to her.

The troon-face shield has worked really well for Joe. If any other woman had gotten involved with a man and she then proceeded to shun her family, shun former friends, get married, move across the country, start posting degrading sex photos of herself, he starts posting about orgies and group sex he’s enjoying, he moves in a new girlfriend and then new girlfriend has a baby. At almost any point in that timeline friends and family would be very concerned and pulling her aside to help her see she was in a controlling, shitty relationship.

But because some gender swapping nonsense is going on it’s all waved away as empowering and progressive. Ironically if you just changed the aesthetics it actually most closely resembles the lifestyle of Saudi Arabia or a FDLS sect member. I guess polygamy has bad branding, so just rebrand it as a throuple or polycule!
Given the light of current circumstances now I think her biggest gripe wasn’t the self-important, egotist, older professors wanting to impress young female students, but maybe that these self-important, egotist, older professors weren’t seducing her for a after class spanking and fisting session.

I would have never thought that reading it a dozen years ago, but now in light of Prof Joe fisting photos it seems like a distinct possibility.
 
The troon-face shield has worked really well for Joe. If any other woman had gotten involved with a man and she then proceeded to shun her family, shun former friends, get married, move across the country, start posting degrading sex photos of herself, he starts posting about orgies and group sex he’s enjoying, he moves in a new girlfriend and then new girlfriend has a baby. At almost any point in that timeline friends and family would be very concerned and pulling her aside to help her see she was in a controlling, shitty relationship.
Not to mention all the shit he says. If Joe weren't a troon, all the normie dumbasses on /r/blogsnark would immediately recognize his Twitter spew as virulent misogyny. But with the troon armor, all he gets is "I don't get Grace but maybe she's not for me to get! 🥰 "
 
But because some gender swapping nonsense is going on it’s all waved away as empowering and progressive. Ironically if you just changed the aesthetics it actually most closely resembles the lifestyle of Saudi Arabia or a FDLS sect member. I guess polygamy has bad branding, so just rebrand it as a throuple or polycule!

The word "throuple" (god I hate that word) implies that everyone is having sex with each other. In the article it seems like Mallory and Lilly can barely stand each other; they are certainly not lusting after each other. It's not a "throuple", it's a jowly dude and his two sister-wives.

But no one is allowed to point that out (or remark on how telling it is that they're reflexively called "the Laverys," giving the two women the surname of the lone male) because we all have to play along that Grace is a woman.

The TERF who wrote "pronouns are Rohypnol" back in 2019 could have been writing about this exact situation:

Pronouns are like Rohypnol.
They dull your defences. They change your inhibitions. They’re meant to. You’ve had a lifetime’s experience learning to be alert to ‘him’ and relax to ‘her’. For good reason. This instinctive response keeps you safe. It’s not even a conscious thing. It’s like your hairs standing on end. Your subconscious brain is helping you not get eaten by the sabre tooth tiger that your eyes haven’t noticed yet.
... try the experiment. Translate pronouns and references back to male. Insert ‘dead-names’ or use surnames. (No-one will know but you) Read it a second time. And be honest with yourself.
 
Mallory's novel now available for preorder, please form an orderly queue.

From her Substack post about it (archive):
Women’s Hotel follows a group of women living in the fictional Biedermeier Hotel (a down-at-heel sister to the Barbizon) in the mid-1960s, particularly its director, Mrs. Mossler, the first-floor manager Katherine Heap, workshy society girl Lucianne Caruso, typesetter Pauline Carter, and daytime elevator operator Stephen, among others. It’s a book that’s very much concerned with what people eat for dinner, and how they decide on it, with the comfort of their clothes, whether or not they buy a hat, the failure rate of their haircuts, and the superficial daily activities they perform in common — how they get in one another’s way, how they give one another space, how they try to impose upon others without being imposed upon in return.

She's working very hard to let us know how small and unambitious this book is. Nothing of any consequence. Hat buying. Compare to Joe's descriptions of his own forthcoming work (Please Miss): positively radioactive with grandiosity.

Chapter One: The End of Breakfast

“It was the end of the continental breakfast, and therefore the beginning of the end of everything else. For thirty-five years, every Biedermeier girl whose rent for the coming week had found its way to Mrs. Mossler’s crocheted lantern-bag could go to sleep secure in the knowledge that she would wake up with a breakfast tray slid into the recess of her door, delivered just as advertised, “silently and gratuitously, no waiting — no waiter!” During the war the fourteen-dollar rent was raised to eighteen dollars, then again to twenty-five[…] But the Biedermeier’s daily rendezvous between tray and door never failed, not even on Sundays, and aside from a wartime substitution of Postum for coffee, the menu had remained implacably untouched by time. One’s choice of either sliced grapefruit or tomato, a Vienna roll or brown buttered toast, a shirred egg, and a cluster of grapes sustained plenty until dinner (new girls learned quickly not to speak of supper within the walls), as lunch was not included in the weekly rate, and fewer than half the inmates were so reliably employed as to be able to comfortably commission a week’s worth in advance.”

I don't hate the cover:
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