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Would you rather be stuck in a forest with a bear or a man? - aka Debate user doodoocaca on the validity of rape victims
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A lot of people have been in forests with bears without even knowing it. If a bear knows humans are in the forest, it will usually try to avoid them. That's why one of the biggest bear safety tips is to hike in groups and make a bunch of noise so bears know you're there.
Not so useful when dealing with predatory moids, unfortunately.
I can also think of some people who should've been attacked by bears, like those assholes in North Carolina who were filmed harassing black bear cubs and pulling them out of trees they were hiding in a few weeks ago (to the point one of the cubs ended up stranded and will have to live at a wildlife rehab until its old enough to be released).
Not so useful when dealing with predatory moids, unfortunately.
I can also think of some people who should've been attacked by bears, like those assholes in North Carolina who were filmed harassing black bear cubs and pulling them out of trees they were hiding in a few weeks ago (to the point one of the cubs ended up stranded and will have to live at a wildlife rehab until its old enough to be released).
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Think I'd rather be mauled by Yogi than turn out like Chris did.
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This. I live in bear country and it's both paranoia inducing and terrifying. We're constantly told by the sheriffs and rangers to carry bear spray, flare gun, or a firearm because of it. You don't know real fear until you're face to face with one of these fucks.
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Who are still most likely to leave you alone as long as you don't startle them or get too close. And ultimately much more predictable than a human if you know their behavior (and don't make soundproof rape dungeons).
I live in snake country and despite constant fear mongering about them I'd rather be near any venomous snake than a human, especially a strange and potentially dangerous scrote.
EDIT: autistic internet debates made me discover a Smoky Mountains bearspotting group. Needless to say group members don't seem to be getting eaten or mauled left and right.
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If you camp you are routinely in a place with both men and bears if you do so in bear country. It's not like you have the whole forest to yourself.
Most people who camp are not eaten by bears or raped or murdered by fellow campers.
If we are talking like a post-apocalypse and I had a gun, I could kill and eat that bear; would be less acceptable to do that with the man, but ideally he could be reasoned with and we could team up for survival, but there is always that chance that he could decide I am more useful as supplies and would be capable of more cunning than the bear.
Most people out in the woods in the modern day are probably less inclined to random crime than people who you meet strolling down Meth Ave. in your nearest big city. They are more likely to be bleeding hearts out appreciating the glory of nature than ye olde outlaw waiting for a mark.
The bear might be hungry, though they usually don't prefer humans.
Most people who camp are not eaten by bears or raped or murdered by fellow campers.
If we are talking like a post-apocalypse and I had a gun, I could kill and eat that bear; would be less acceptable to do that with the man, but ideally he could be reasoned with and we could team up for survival, but there is always that chance that he could decide I am more useful as supplies and would be capable of more cunning than the bear.
Most people out in the woods in the modern day are probably less inclined to random crime than people who you meet strolling down Meth Ave. in your nearest big city. They are more likely to be bleeding hearts out appreciating the glory of nature than ye olde outlaw waiting for a mark.
The bear might be hungry, though they usually don't prefer humans.
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What if my husband is like a bear, though?
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Since I can't take an escalator with me into the woods and it's only weapon of self-defense against an apex predator, I'll try my chances with a panda bear
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"Come, sit down a little, STALKER."
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No one asked the bear if he wanted to be stuck around a retarded woman.
Also people are talking about what kind of bear, but not what race of man.
Also people are talking about what kind of bear, but not what race of man.
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this one stupid question makes the idiots who answered bear go through the most ridiculous mental gymnastics
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There is a difference between a snake and bear. A snake is not an apex predator in the same environment as a human. Meanwhile, a bear is higher on the food chain than a human and unlike with snakes, you need to have means of actively detering them because some will pursue you as prey. Snakes do not perceive you as prey. If you read the information page on any wildlife and bear-spotting groups, they will tell you quite clearly to take a long list of precautions such as even securing all possible entrances to your cabin. This is because a persistent bear will try to break into your home since it sees you as food.
If you do not believe me, take a vacation to Svalbard and hike regularly for a week. You are bound to encounter polar bears which are known for being persistent enough to break into homes which are designed to keep them out. There is a reason why it is strongly recommended to carry firearms when leaving Longyearbyen and it is because bears can be extremely aggressive even without cubs.
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Now ask a man if he'd rather be stuck in a forest with a bear or a woman!
If this is just abstract generic "woman" I'd probably choose the bear because odds are I can avoid it whilst with someone else there that's an additional person in danger beyond myself.
But here's an interesting thing. This is primarily a North American selection of respondents? What if you changed the question to "Would you rather be stuck in a forest with a Black man or a bear?" Guarantee, if you discounted those simply refusing to answer, it would shift markedly away from bear even though Black men are a subset of men. And not even one with a statistical reason to suppose they're less likely to rape you. Logic is not at work here.
If this is just abstract generic "woman" I'd probably choose the bear because odds are I can avoid it whilst with someone else there that's an additional person in danger beyond myself.
But here's an interesting thing. This is primarily a North American selection of respondents? What if you changed the question to "Would you rather be stuck in a forest with a Black man or a bear?" Guarantee, if you discounted those simply refusing to answer, it would shift markedly away from bear even though Black men are a subset of men. And not even one with a statistical reason to suppose they're less likely to rape you. Logic is not at work here.
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Said unironically after this:
All it does is expose modern women's inability to logically process threat and danger assessments without socialized predetermination. Wild animals are always more dangerous than people except in statistically null circumstances. Even the worst most violent people on earth are not going to attack people the vast majority of the time. Wild animals will give you no such luxury, if you seem like you are worth the effort they will kill and eat you.
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This, I think it's the "trapped" part of the question that makes people's minds shift to conflict. Since the woods is open I'm guessing subconsciously most think "well then the only way I can be trapped in the woods If something is keeping me there by force" and answer based on that. If it's a hike than man is the easy choice since you see those every hike.
Counterpoint: Nature is efficient and uses every part of the Buffalo woman. Evidence would be hard to find of these rapemurder dens.
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I made this graph about my preference based on the type of bear. All bears are considered 'average' according to their kind (avarage height, speed, hungriness etc.). The more x's a choice has, the more I prefer it over the other option:
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You missed off this bear.
Definitely wouldn't want to be alone in the woods with that one!
But anyway, here's an interesting thing. Interesting because it's always good to notice little elements of bias or your own irrationality. Nearly all of us here have been giving rational and sensible answers in contrast to the answers in the video. But humans are not really rational creatures and the below clip caught me off guard slightly because it subjects me (a bloke) to the same fear response that makes one less rational as these women. Basically someone swaps in "your daughter" for "you" in the thought experiment. As a bloke and moderately capable one, I have very minimal threat response kick in to "you're alone with a man you don't know". But swap in "your daughter is alone with a man you don't know" and it kicks in.
Now objectively nothing has changed. There's no new information about the dude, the odds of him being a bad person who would hurt someone remain low, the bear is no more nor no less dangerous than before. But I would be lying if I said that there isn't now an instinct response kicking in that wasn't there before. I can relate to this guy's hesitation even if rationally it's the same. If anything, it's even more of a reason for choosing the man because a young girl in a forest is going to need help in a way that an adult woman (hopefully) should not and the likelihood is a guy finding a young girl in the woods lost would genuinely do everything he could to get her to safety and reunite her with parents. I would. Anybody reading this thread would. Even @Android raptor would after suitably lecturing the frightened child on patriarchy and how woods were the fault of men. But watch the below and tell me an element doesn't kick in that wasn't there before (talking to men).
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The main difference between the two is that I like bears.
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You may. But what matters more is whether the bear likes you.