Off-Topic Trans Widows - Because why wouldn't this thread exist?

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I feel a little sorry for her, but her boyfriend is a porn addict, and is still a porn addict, dump his ass and find a T&H man.
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I feel like I can’t fulfill my girlfriends’ sexual needs anymore but I’m uncomfortable with an open relationship (self.mypartneristrans)

submitted 9 hours ago by qtcaela to r/mypartneristrans

So I am a cis woman and I have been with my (mtf) girlfriend for almost a year. We’ve been really happy together and our sex life was always really good too, but recently my girlfriend has been watching a lot of porn that only has trans girls or femboys in it and it’s making me feel like maybe she doesn’t like me or my body, especially being cis, anymore. We rarely ever have sex anymore but she still masturbates a lot. I’m totally okay with the porn she watches and us not having sex, I just worry that she doesn’t find me attractive at all anymore. She jokes a lot about bringing a cute femboy into our relationship and I know it’s meant to be lighthearted but It’s really been making me question where she wants things to go… I’ve talked to her about my concerns and she has reassured me that she is still attracted to me and doesn’t want an open relationship but I just think she’s saying that to avoid hurting me or creating conflict between us. I feel like I’m preventing her from experimenting and having new sexual experiences.
I know I’m probably just being selfish and dramatic and I don’t want to project that onto her so ig I just need some opinions or advice

Most of the advice is crap but at least a few redditors recognize that the "joke" about bringing someone else home is him testing the waters.
 
Lesbian couple breaking up because someone wanted to be a man. There's a kid involved - but they've been married for almost ten years and the kid is off to college. Spouse "just wants his own simple life." More on that in a bit. Note she's jealous that her spouse prioritizes her needs above anything else - which seems fucked up, and I wonder if she's trying to convince herself of this because the alternative is realizing that her wife is a narcissist.
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My trans husband has asked for a relationship-restructuring, aka divorce (self.mypartneristrans)

submitted 13 hours ago by just_a_girl- to r/mypartneristrans

We were married as lesbians, he realized he was trans a few years into our marriage. I did everything I could to keep our marriage together, in hindsight probably too much. I am still madly in love with him and attracted to him. Unfortunately he has lost romantic interest in me. It's so painful. He wants to stay friends, family, he wants to continue cuddling and talking and sharing our lives, just doesn't want to be married to me, he wants his own simple life. We used to say we were choosing each other every day - it hurts so much that he has decided not to choose me anymore and won't for all future tomorrows. I feel very unlovable and inherently broken, can't stop bursting out into tears. Old wounds, etc. AND I honor the courage it takes for him to live his life for himself, and not Us. I am honestly envious of his post-transition ability to prioritize his needs over anything else.

We will continue to live together for the foreseeable future while we sort things out, including sending our child off to college this summer. It already feels so hard to share space - I constantly want to beg him to reconsider. I plan to travel as much as possible to create some space from him. It's hard not having a place of my own to cry, contemplate, call a friend and chat on the phone without being overheard. With the housing market the way it is, selling our home with our low mortgage interest rate, is going to be a huge financial hit for both of us (neither of us can afford to buy the other out) and our living situations will be drastically negatively impacted because of the current cost of housing. I feel like I am transitioning into an empty nester, a divorced person, and someone with less financial stability all at once - without my husband to lean on.

Our 10 year marriage anniversary is/was in October. I had been planning a special trip for us to acknowledge the milestone - ugh, I feel like a fool. I feel old, burnt out, and completely lost. I gave so much time and energy to his transition and in turn our transition as a couple, as a family
. I wanted and still want to stay married. Since he came out several years ago, I feel like the ground beneath me has been constantly unsteady - just when I find my footing, another thing pops up to deal with. I guess this is the final earth-shattering shift. In the after-math, my sexuality is totally confusing after shifting into a relationship with a trans man, and enjoying a totally different kind of sexual attraction than I had ever experienced... I can't imagine who I would ever look for in a partner in the future. Not that it matters, I plan to be single for a long time, if not forever.

Thanks for letting me ramble. Please share any words of support or advice. So grateful for all the support over the years on this and other accounts I've created and deleted in times of crisis and celebration. I appreciate you all and your bravery in sharing your struggles and victories through this niche journey.

Anyway about that "simple life" the soon-to-be-ex wants? Let's go to a year old post to get a hint on what kind of "simple life" she wanted...
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Trans partner's (ftm) community makes me (cis f) uncomfortable (self.mypartneristrans)

submitted 1 year ago * by just_a_girl- to r/mypartneristrans

My trans husband came out 5 years ago. It was hard to process the transition from female>male, lesbian>perceived straight, etc. We're now a stronger couple and family (we have a kid) and are very close and have worked really hard on communication. I'm embarrassed to bring this up with him, partially because I don't even really understand what I'm feeling... hoping y'all can help.

Husband is now wanting to build community with other trans men, and he's found a group of about 30 older (like us) transmasc people from our region who regularly get together. I find myself often feeling shocked and uncomfortable by this new community. It is nothing like lesbian community that we were a part of, and is not like cis male community. Some things that surprised me were the many neo-pronouns, the intensity of new friendships that often end quickly in drama, the cliquey-ness, and the encouragement of being nude together... I just never expected a group of guys to get together and behave like this? These folks are mostly 40+ but they act like they're in middle school. Anyone else navigated this as a partner of a trans guy? Advice on how to get over myself and be more supportive?

ETA: Thanks, everyone. I appreciate you sharing that this isn't normal. I had that feeling, but as a cis gal, wondered if I was out of my lane? I'll talk to my husband.
And there we have it, her marriage has been dead for a while and she never realized it. This looks like an abusive relationship, and her spouse is probably going on to her polycule or whatever they call it when 40 year olds do this shit.
 
Back for the month's festivities. Will post stories daily. That said...

Lesbian couple breaking up because someone wanted to be a man.

And very apropos to this comment

Swimming helps clear Liz’s mind, it’s one of the things she does when she wants to relax – and to forget. Now in her mid-twenties, Liz was just out of her teens when she met and fell in love with K. By the end of the relationship Liz was left grieving for the woman she had known – she recalls that K already had plans for ‘top surgery’, the next part of her transition.

“I had already checked-out but I did not know how to leave… being together as she planned her transition was stressful – I was expected to smile my way through it all.”

Liz met K in an online community for lesbian and bi women; it turned out they lived in the same area and the pair immediately hit it off. But less than two years later Liz found herself isolated from friends and hiding the truth from her family; she was forced to carry her doubts about K’s transition alone.

Liz didn’t think much of it at the time when a few months into the relationship K began to drop hints about wanting to be male.

“She made a throwaway comment which I believed to be a joke at the time because she was on her period. Something along the lines of, ‘I’d really love to wave a magic wand and be a guy. At least their bodies don’t suck.’ I didn’t see anything weird in that. I used to have the same wish when I was younger.

“I’d gone through a period of time where I rejected the reality of myself growing into a woman during puberty, and up until I was 16 I’d gone as far as fabricating a male alter-ego, including a new name. So in the beginning, I thought that this was normal, that we all (almost all women, almost all lesbians) felt that way at one point and I shrugged it off.”


But the comments about being uncomfortable in her body didn’t stop; 18 months into the relationship K started identifying as trans.

K and Liz weren’t living together, but they used to telephone each other before bed. One night K called and announced her decision to transition.

“It was short: K was informing me; letting me know. She told me that nothing would change because she had always been this person, and that she was just going to be even more authentic from now on. She told me about the process, and what changes she wanted for her body and for us. She had already picked a name she asked me to use. I, of course, agreed.

“K sent me links to FtM Tumblr blogs talking about how great they felt after their mastectomies, and she told me she would do it tomorrow if she could. She had obviously done her research for some time. I asked her if she was sure, and she told me she was. She’d been planning this with her therapist for a while, unbeknownst to me.

“Then she told me she loved me and asked me if I thought that I would still love her after. I was, by that point, feeling completely overwhelmed. I told her that we’d figure this out. I wasn’t ready to entertain a break-up over something that sounded, from what she said, so inconsequential. I already felt uncomfortable, but I figured that would pass. I just needed to grow accustomed to the idea.

“After we hung up, I remember staring into space for a bit before I started crying. For all her reassurances that nothing would change I still felt like I had just lost something I couldn’t really describe. And I knew that I had lost the right to call her by the name I had known her as. I didn’t really sleep that night, my mind running in circles and coming up with question after question.”


Liz isn’t sure whether K really thought of herself as a man.

“When she first broached the topic, she seemed very aware of the fact that she was female, and it felt more like she was rebelling against her female body rather than it being about a male/masculine identity. K wasn’t butch and had never acted particularly masculine, either. Further down the path of transition, though, she started telling me that she finally found herself, and that everything up to that point had been a fake version of herself. I think that at that point, she really came to believe that she had been, so to speak, born into the wrong body and her real self was that of a man.”

Liz felt like she had nowhere to turn, and that she was wrong for feeling so distressed. Coming out to her parents had been tough for Liz and so she kept the news about K’s transition from them.

“I lied to them a lot during that time, and they did not know that I was having issues in my relationship. I did not want to give them any ammunition against my relationship or sexuality. I think I just wasn’t ready to give up the lesbian label I had fought them so hard for. It was a very lonely time.”

Transwidows are one of the most marginalised groups – reduced to props in their partners’ new identities, their feelings and desires are missing from the popular narrative. For those who are lesbian there is an additional pressure – most of the groups which were founded to support people in same sex relationships now aggressively perpetuate trans ideology. When Liz confided to her local LGBT women’s group that she was struggling to accept K’s new identity, she was made to feel ashamed.

“I got chastised and was told she was going through something so very difficult that none of us could understand. I felt like I had definitely said something wrong, and it stopped me from reaching out to them when I couldn’t cope with the transition any longer.”

After her experience within the LGBT group, Liz didn’t feel like she could be open with her friends about her doubts.

“I was afraid of being the bad guy, of being called a bigot or worse. I had already said too much and people had not been happy about it. How I, for instance, kept slipping up about her name and pronouns.”

Liz says it was expected that they would stay together through K’s transition:

“I never felt like she, or anyone, was asking me for my opinion or for what I wanted. It was always just the unspoken agreement: if I really loved her, I would of course stand by her. In the beginning, I was optimistic despite feeling uneasy about the pace of things.

“She asked me to use her new name and pronouns. Her family sat me down one day because we were supposed to talk about how we could all do our best to support her through this process.

“It was never a question of, ‘If you are comfortable with this’ that day but rather a ‘and this is what we all are going to have to do’. Her mother told me ‘We are all in this together’. No-one asked me how I felt about it, and I thought it was inappropriate to make it about me.”


K’s decision to identify as a man had ramifications for everyone around her. Liz was expected to change her identity to complement K.

“Within weeks of her telling me about her plans, we had our first fight. For her, it was clear that she’d always been straight because she was only into women. And, almost in passing, she said that she didn’t think it was such a big deal if I was straight or bisexual after all.

“I got really mad at her for that because it had taken me so much time and pain and disapproval from my own family until I could even say, ‘I’m gay’ without feeling myself burn with shame. I felt really sad, too. I had come to see myself as a lesbian after years of searching for an explanation of everything I was feeling and felt like I was losing some part of my ‘own identity’ even though she hadn’t even changed anything yet. She was mad because this meant I wasn’t accepting her as the real man she felt she was within.

“In the end, I just stopped referring to my own sexual orientation at all. I figured it was easier to just stay with her and keep my mouth shut.”


What added to Liz’s intense isolation, was that “everyone else seemed so happy” about K’s new identity.

"Her parents in particular. Her mother was ecstatic to talk about ‘her son and his girlfriend’ to friends and family. She never boasted about us when we were still, for all intents and purposes, a lesbian couple.”

This still impacts on how Liz talks about herself today:

“To this day, if I’m in an LGBT setting, I don’t mention that my ex was trans identified. I don’t want to go through this again with endless discussions where people try to tell me that I must be pansexual or at the very least bisexual.

“A friend of K’s actually told me I was just in denial about being bisexual/pan. This insecurity stayed with me for a long time, and I wasn’t sure of myself for quite a while, always second-guessing myself. What if I just wanted to be a lesbian but was lying to myself? It was as if this one relationship suddenly changed everything that had been true about myself and continues to be true – that I have never in my life felt attraction to any man/male. Whatever my ex-girlfriend might identify as, I met her as a woman, and she’s female.”


Once K made the decision to transition, she changed her dress, name and mannerisms immediately.

“Even before taking T, she became more aggressive towards me. I often felt like she was trying to emulate some kind of macho-persona that, in her mind, would give her new identity more credibility.”

It quickly became clear to Liz that if she questioned any aspect of K’s new identity, there would be a fight, so she shrank back into silence.

“She started retconning a lot of her life’s history. The way she told it, it sounded like I had always just met and fallen in love with a guy who just happened to look a bit different from other guys. The fact that we met in a wlw [women loving women] community? Almost forgotten, a small inconvenience. It felt like we had lived different lives for those one-and-a-half years we were together without her being trans.

“It is a very lonely experience to be the only one to remember a relationship while the other seems to remember a different reality altogether… I know this is cliché but it really felt like the girl I knew, in part at least, had died, and I was the only one left to remember her. Actually, the only one that wanted to remember her. Everyone else was busy celebrating her new identity as him.”


Liz recalls how K tried being “one of the boys”.

“Some of her guy friends started making jokes about us that were very sexist, as if I was the little housewife for her, and also about us in bed, too. I had a huge falling out with one of her male friends because of that. She often just laughed along and kept telling me it was just all in good fun. I felt humiliated and betrayed.”

But it was not just when they were in company that K put Liz down to bolster her masculine image and assuage her insecurity.

“She started making disparaging comments about the female body which were, I believe, mostly aimed at her own body.”

Liz admits it had a “devastating” impact on her self-esteem.

“I began feeling insecure in my physical appearance, and I couldn’t connect with her physically at all anymore because I did not know how to express my sexuality in a way that wasn’t, at its core, an open appreciation of all things female.

“It was further complicated because her sex drive was heightened by the T and she started pressuring me into things and afterwards got mad at me for it, because she was mad she’d liked ‘it’ and she felt like it all made her ‘less of a man’ and ‘more of a woman’. It was all about her by now.

“Seeing her look and talk about her female body with so much hate and disdain, I couldn’t help but feel like a part of her must have seen mine in a similar way. I felt conflicted. I was still very much a lesbian but at the same time, I was almost disgusted by it.”


By now, Liz’s attraction to K was “dwindling away” but K was “caught up in her own whirlwind of transition.”

“It seemed like my opinion didn’t really matter to her at all and she started downplaying whatever I was saying half the time, not taking me seriously, talking down to me. Eventually, I realised that I needed to get away from the relationship. I felt like I was broken, and I was beginning to get scared that I might not be fixable.”

Liz regrets not being “mature or experienced enough” at the time to have questioned K more about her decision. But ultimately, Liz reflects that the end of the relationship allowed her to begin to take pride in who she is once more.

“No relationship experience with another woman has ever made me feel this way. While I cried over the end of the relationship, I didn’t really argue or fight for it. A part of me was relieved. At least, I had tried.”
 
I'm not unconvinced most of these trans don't trap people in relationships deliberately every time, hoping their partner will pick up the slack and they can dedicate their time to crossdressing and medicalization. Medicalization in particular fucks up your body and makes it difficult to perform the way you did before, even if you have a sedentary job, so they need to latch on to someone else for support. Perhaps not deliberately in the sense they're explicitly scheming but more they've always wanted to do it and it isn't until they feel comfortable in a relationship they sort of go "ah, now I can do X". I used to think it was only AGPs that do that but now I'm beginning to think it's inherent to trans. Most all of them either have a partner they're trying to use or still with their family or sometimes less commonly they'll have been a successful professional for long enough to have savings. I hadn't read through many lesbian couple stories but the mirror the same pattern as wives with AGP husbands.
 
ome things that surprised me were the many neo-pronouns, the intensity of new friendships that often end quickly in drama, the cliquey-ness, and the encouragement of being nude together... I just never expected a group of guys to get together and behave like this? These folks are mostly 40+ but they act like they're in middle school.
This shit right here is a major reason why I hate TIFS. TIMS do this shit too, but due to the social politics involved in female-only circles (lol YWNBAM), it becomes truly nightmarish to navigate the BPD & sex-pest rage maze they craft to keep you entrapped. You can't try to navigate it; the only way out is to break down the walls and run free. TIFS always seem to be emotionally stunted in a manner that never reaches beyond "I have the emotional capacity of a 16 year-old girl" while inhabiting a 30+ year-old vessel. They take, and take, and take, until you have nothing to give, and yet they still hunger for more, and YOU'RE the bad guy for not wanting to naked cuddle with someone who isn't your partner. YOU'RE the bad guy for thinking self-induced clitoromegaly is disgusting, including the caseous odors that come with it. YOU'RE the bad guy for loving your partner's body the way it is, and for being upset when she carves up her chest. YOU'RE the bad guy for wanting to, ironically, live a quiet, normal life, insofar as being a same-sex attracted person goes. I already knew that trans represents the total destruction of a healthy family unit, but I'm also convinced that trans is the absolute anthesis of self-growth. You can not grow as a person if your entire life revolves around one big lie.

A part of me feels bad because I always want to be there to catch other lesbian transwidows when they fall, but I also can't help be feel like "lol what did you expect would happen if you stayed?" She should have dipped as soon as her wife started spouting delusions.
 
She should have dipped as soon as her wife started spouting delusions.
To be honest I think they do this a lot of the time because they're in environments that lionize gender non-conformity and anything that could be related to LGBT+. If the manipulative behavior and coercion played out any other way, no one in these people's circles would be clapping seals. They'd let them know the behavior wasn't okay and try to get them to stop seeing these people or be gentler with them through the divorce. If it's bad behavior that everyone recognizes as bad behavior then a lot of people in your circles will support you in knowing that and getting out. It's because no one wants to be seen as a bigot/phobic they keep their mouth shut and go along.

In media and in some social circles volunteering to be emasculated is clapped for and taking on a more masculine role/aesthetic if you're a woman is also clapped for. It's in this cultural milieu that trans inserts itself and asks, "you don't wanna be some sort of phobe? do you?" We've progressed too far to the sun and now this is a legitimate control tactic among certain types.

It's how you get all the transwidows that are like "I didn't think him being into cross dressing and pegging meant anything!" why wouldn't you? In a more normal time it would be all the evidence you need. It's why it used to be the type of thing only elites got up to with prostitutes back in the day. It would be inconceivable unless you were sure she was down with being as degenerate as you or would put up with shutting up about your side activities so the family isn't shamed.
 
She jokes a lot about bringing a cute femboy into our relationship
The idea of lusting after a very specific group of people is a fetish. He wants you to indulge his multitude of fetishes. His brain is so fried, he doesn't even see the idea of a third partner as an actual human, but "cute femboy". As in their entire value, purpose and identity is to be that of a feminine boy for sexual gratification.

Someone wanting to act out their fetish is only joking in the sense of, "haha just kidding... unless????" as they are merely trying to present it to gauge your reaction, not say a humorous comment for laughs. What is funny about this? What partner "jokes" about a third person unless its laughing at the idea of someone else helping with chores around the house? Like a husband having two wives to pick up after him. That could be a joke made by either partner that would be humorous and not at all sincerely considering the idea. Multiple "jokes" about bringing a very specific type of person in that matches your sexual fetishes in is not a joke.

Truly, comedy must be dead if what stands for a "joke" is your boyfriend saying he wants to bring a "femboy" into your relationship.
 
Missed yesterday. Double feature to compensate.

I will never forget our wedding day. What should have been a long-forgotten comment would haunt me for years later. I woke that morning and called my groom. I informed him I was off to my bridal brunch and would see him at the church that evening. I joked, “Is there anything you need to tell me before we do this?” He paused, I reprimanded him for teasing me.

Then he said, “No, nothing. I am just playing”.

Soon after I was married, odd things happened such as finding my bra was packed in with my husband’s luggage on a business trip. I found pictures of unattractive women in lingerie on our computer. There was always an explanation and sometimes it was even my fault according to him. My husband insisted he needed to shave his legs. He had what he thought was a good reason to do so. I informed him this would be such a turn off that I would have to sleep in the spare bedroom.

Our sex life was not my idea of normal. He bought a book with a different role play fantasies. Most of the scenarios things I felt uneasy about doing. One scenario, which was not in the book but he suggested, was for us to each dress up as sexy women and pretend we are lesbians.

At this point I was done with any attempt to play along with these fantasies as I felt he was getting carried away with it all. He often acted submissive in the bedroom which was a turnoff. He often wanted to be tied up and that became just too much of a hang up so refused to do it.

One day, I came back early from shopping to find he had applied a few fake fingernails and hopped into the tub to shave his legs, where I found him in a state of arousal. At this point his “cross-dressing” was emerging from the closet. He said doing these things made him feel relaxed and he blamed me as a source of the stress and loneliness. I thought we had a great relationship, but that this secret was what was stealing away intimacy and our friendship.

I was just graduating from university and had a job offer in another city. I shared with my family that I planned to leave and divorce. The family didn’t understand because I had not shared any of these issues with them until this time. They weren’t convinced he was a cross-dresser and neither was I really. I believed my husband when he promised not to do it again.

Soon my husband insisted we start a family. Our first child was born and within months there was an instance of me discovering evidence of cross-dressing that caused us to have conflict. Some weeks later our baby ended up hospitalized with a severe illness. While I was at the hospital with our baby my husband chose to reveal that he had been cross-dressing since he was a teenager. He again blamed stress and loneliness and agreed to see a therapist. My husband promised to never cross-dress again.

We began to see the counsellor which he had found for us. This counsellor advocated for “girl’s nights out” for my husband with a group of cross-dressed men in addition to his many other hobbies which pulled him away from me and our baby. She said he could better relate to me because he has a feminine side and we could do girlfriend things together. I disagreed with this and for this she told me I was very close-minded.

She said I was a lesbian because I had fallen in love with a man with an inner feminine side. The counsellor had said my husband would not know if he was male or female for three months. This was a shock to me and I asked my husband about this and he said she was putting words in his mouth. We agreed to no longer see this counsellor as it was not helpful for our marriage. He promised to never cross-dress again.

I became a pro at ignoring the giant pink elephant in our house. During my third pregnancy my husband wanted to experience what I felt like. He fashioned a pregnancy belly with boobs. He wore it around the house doing chores so he could feel what I feel. I began to sense this was about him more than me. Our son was so disturbed by it that he took scissors to it one day while his dad was at work. My husband tried to convince me that he could breastfeed our baby so that I could rest. He even went as far as to send articles to back this up after I rejected the idea. I became a pro at dismissing my concerns and my gut and focused on entirely on our children. When I did find he had cross-dressed on occasions he would promise to never do it again. I would believe him.

Rinse, wash, repeat. Eleven years later and several instances of finding his fake nails and other evidence of cross-dressing, there were now three children and my husband met someone online who shared his cross-dressing fantasies and convinced him to pursue a sex change. I found all of their sexually explicit messages. He described being married to me as torture. All these years I thought I was the one being tortured. They even discussed murdering me.

I filed for divorce, but he would convince me he wanted to be the man he promised to be when we married and all of that fantasy was behind him. Again, I chose to believe his words even though my eyes saw breast development, outgrown hair, pierced ears and longer fingernails.

In the final year of our marriage I learned many of his secrets. I learned he hid female clothes in our attic, in his tool box, at his mother’s house. I learned he would buy clothes and throw them away so I would not find them. I learned he had borrowed my clothes. I had sensed that and had a methodical way of organizing my drawers but I would still find my panties or boots stretched. I learned clothes he bought for me were really items he wished to wear.

I also discovered that he had been seeing the same therapist that we agreed not to see all those years ago. She had written him a letter to begin transition and he had been taking hormones since the birth of our first child. Those prepubescent bumps on his chest that he always hid with a t-shirt at the pool were on purpose. They were such a turnoff but as his wife I felt sorry for him and I felt responsible because he had said the bumps were from OCD medication which he took at my urging to stop the cross-dressing.

I learned that the lack of sex in our marriage was not because of the way I treated him or my lack of desire for him which was often blamed, but that he had no libido due to the hormones he was taking.

I found out that the ugly women in lingerie I had seen on our home computer when we were newlyweds weren’t women at all, they were men he was looking at cross-dressed in lingerie. He admitted he was going to tell me on our wedding day that he had struggled with cross-dressing when I had asked him if there was something he needed to tell me before we tied the knot.

After I left him, I felt like myself for the first time in many years. I had been lost to policing his cross-dressing and not triggering him to cross-dress. I was finally able wear clothes I liked without worrying that he may be triggered. The children had to grieve the loss of a father, no longer allowed to call him “Dad”, the saddest factor of all. It was all very traumatic for me, but it has been far harder for the children.

To paraphrase Will Ladislaw from Middlemarch (played in the early-’90s BBC miniseries by the delectable Rufus Sewell), there are some things a person can only go through once in her life.

Finding out that the love of my life was not the person I believed him to be - that ought to be one of those things.

It started off with small steps. A few hormone tablets, some hair removal, subtle changes in body shape and skin texture - nothing that felt like a significant departure for a man who had, since I met him, always seemed refreshingly able to express femininity.

Then there was the name change, then came the talk of sex reassignment, then came the full-time presentation (in public, at least) as the new identity.

And the sudden realisation that this new person didn’t smell like my lover.

Blame poor communication, blame the fundamentally confused nature of genderist discourse, blame my fear of confronting the hard truth of my loss - for these and probably other reasons as well, it wasn’t until very late in the day that I began to understand the truth of what my partner’s transition would mean - for him, for me, for us. This was the bill of goods I had been sold - and it was nothing like what I wanted.

Disconcerting seems too mild a word for the realisation that your partner, your lover, is doing everything in their power to make themselves unattractive to you. I went through all of the self-recrimination one could imagine: why was I being so shallow? Couldn’t I get past that and allow my sexuality to adapt? Why should it matter to me anyway if my sexual attraction to my partner was no longer a feature of our relationship? Weren’t there so many other facets to our partnership? Surely it was never just about sex.

It’s funny how you sometimes don’t miss something until even its very possibility is taken away. There is far more to sexuality than mere physical attraction - and I have learned the hard way that no, I don't "like dick", as I once flippantly said - I like men. Women just don't feature in my spectrum of romantic and sexual attraction. Conversion therapy is rightly decried as an inhumane, even barbaric practice. I would never have imagined there might come a time in my life when I would find myself wishing it was a legitimate thing and that I could access it for myself.

It wasn’t until a couple of years into the transition that someone finally asked me how I was coping. When I responded with a modest account of my misgivings, my friend’s response was, “Oh - but I thought you were bisexual?”
And in truth, it is by no means just the physical alteration that has driven the wedge between us. People who transition may say that they are still the same person underneath that they are becoming more fully themselves. While that may feel true to them, from the outside, the person who once existed is gone and a relative stranger stands in their place. People’s personalities can and do change, sometimes dramatically, in the process of transition, not least because of the cognitive dissonance required to maintain the belief that their new identity is really who they were all along.

So here I was. I had lost my lover’s body to synthetic hormones; and I had lost his mind to the cult-like tenets of queer theory and transgender identity politics.

But of course, none of this was ever about me and what I might think or feel.

Until, that is, I stopped trying to be nice about it. Then, virtually overnight, everything became my fault - all the hurt, all the miscommunication, all the disagreement. It was all on me now.

And why? Because I had learned how to use my words, while my partner never had.

And suddenly there were so many people who wanted to communicate with me about my transgender partner - people who had never uttered a syllable of concern for my thoughts or feelings before, now were piling in to tell me that I was wrong, that I was a terrible person for not uncritically affirming my trans partner's identity, that because I was not on-board with the trendy new gender agenda, I was no better than a Nazi.

Where were these people when I was struggling in silence to accept the fact that I was losing the man I loved? Maybe it’s just more fun to get involved when you can indulge in some self-congratulatory virtue-signalling while you’re at it.

I thought my questions were reasonable - what does it mean to “feel like a woman”? How does a person who has only ever existed with male anatomy have any notion of what it actually feels like to be female? My partner never had answers for these questions - indeed, seemed to feel it as an affront that I would even dare to question the assertion of transgender identity. Cue the accusations of “erasure” and “denying my existence!”

I should not be surprised by this, of course. So much of the rhetoric surrounding transgender identity now is designed to obfuscate, to confuse, to shut down any communication short of bald assertions - usually expressed in the form of Twitter-style soundbites like, “Trans women are women!” or, “Penis can be female!” or, “TERFs think women are just vaginas!” Critical thinking not required - in fact, actively discouraged. It’s rather like reciting a religious creed. The aim certainly appears to be very similar - one must profess in order to be accepted into the embrace of the faithful. Doesn’t matter if you really believe it or not, as long as you just say it.

Finally there is always, lurking beneath the surface, that old question: how did I not see this coming? Shouldn’t I have known, somehow, that my partner was really a woman, deep down? But this is, at its core, a breathtakingly sexist question. What signs, beyond straightforward anatomical features, could possibly indicate that a person was male or female? The challenge would be to answer this question in a way that did not rely upon gender stereotypes. No-one has met that challenge yet. I know there are women who have been disgusted by their husbands’ cross-dressing proclivities, who have been deeply shocked by the discovery that their husbands have a desire to express femininity. But a man is still a man, even in a dress and eyeliner. I see no incongruity between my enthusiastic embrace of my (male) partner’s feminine expression; and my subsequent sense of gut-deep disappointment at his apparent surrender to the idea that expressing femininity required him to actually be a woman.

All this makes me wonder - does he even exist, the man who is happy to embrace femininity but still accept his maleness? If he’s out there, he’s becoming harder and harder to find - and I’ll probably never meet him again
 
At this point I think women need to start taking "old fashioned" advice when it comes to relationships. In the sense that any guy who does anything faggy should immediately be kicked to the curb. It should immediately be considered a problem.

Dudes who are true GNC and chill with it will be that way before he traps you in marriage and you won't find him jacking off to putting on acrylics.

I really do feel for transwidows but so many of them seem to purposefully and blatantly go along with so much bullshit in the name of being open minded about things. If there is anything you should be super closed minded about...it's an intimate relationship, for fucks sake. Rather than having normal pattern recognition about this shit people will just fantasize about the answer being anything other than what it is and be all surprised pikachu face when he goes full hon.
 
“I transitioned and then my girlfriend left me. How can she be so transphobic!?”

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MtF narcissism is truly something else.

I sometimes can be very analytical, objective and adult like which can be viewed as not particularly feminine.

Adult females are so unfeminine. Not like all those mega femme fatale little girls.

Gross. Put them all on a pedo watch-list.
 
“I transitioned and then my girlfriend left me. How can she be so transphobic!?”

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MtF narcissism is truly something else.
I stopped at keywords "poly relationship." I knew how the story ended even if it weren't placed here.

All those years ago, I'd not an inkling that this end of my life would still be an exploration of my ex-husband's lies and deceit--this time, the financial fraud. The discovery of the shocking diaries was way back in the early 1990s, on a vacation. The handmaid period, when I stayed, was for two years after that. I kept my young children, only one and four at the time, in the dark, and worked mightily to maintain some semblance of normalcy. After I found the details of the secret cross-dressing, filling three sketchbooks, I took the children and left, temporarily. A month later, my ex said it was all a mistake, the secret sessions with the cash-only nonprofessional constituted "a Mid-life crisis. I am still me." He went so far as to write this to my father, then threatened that if I didn't come back from the bolt made in the fall, he'd sue me for custody and tell the court I made it all up. I had no proof. It was my word against his, with only my parents and a few friends who could have supported my narrative.

The shocker which ended the marriage, despite his promises to be forever open and truthful, came, after the beard was, of course, again, shaved off. I discovered his breast development the night before our younger son's fourth birthday, proof he'd been on synthetic estrogen for months. I still remember the out-of-body dissociation I felt at the party, as I set up a half-dozen children with cupcakes, sprinkles and frosting, for the decorating activity. I plastered a frozen smile on my face. Behind this facade, I calculated how many times he must have gone out cross-dressing, on "business trips" in the last two years. The sense of his extra curriculars in my mind’s eye was an overwhelming cloud, one that I have poked at, even in recent days. My sons and I did not exist in that milieu.

The divorce took several years and cost me thirty-thousand in legal fees. We don't have the option of automatic dissolution of the marriage in the US. The children were gas lit and deceived, over and over. Our younger son cried every afternoon for the first half of Kindergarten. Our older son expressed suicidal ideation at the age of eight, requiring emergency therapy, dictated by the school. My ex refused to participate in any child-centred therapy for our children, despite the fact that our son had said he wanted to jump off the roof of the school building.

The repeated stints back in court started a year after the divorce was granted. Two years later, the child support was legally lowered, as my ex claimed to be underemployed, working "temp jobs", and had stated in court that a bias case had been initiated against one of the former employers. This gave credence to the story of endless discrimination, but it was entirely false, as I found out from the employer directly, just a little too late to do anything about it. There was no lawsuit.

Just last week, I discovered that my former spouse is now holds a very senior position in the multi-milllion dollar corporation he works for, and has worked for, since before the last time we were in court. Prior to this I had taken my former spouse back to court, for non-payment of college tuition, responsibilities clearly stipulated in the divorce. I ended up granting an advantageous change to my spouse's share of these expenses.

Recently, the glow of their father's place in the executive suite, the power and wealth now achieved, have lured my adult children into a demeanour of forgetfulness. "You cried so much and it made me feel guilty" and "everyone has their own truth", are phrases I have fielded from my sons in the last year. I also found out that many individuals in that side of my children’s' lives think that my ex is their biological mother, as that is implied and stated at all times, and my sons did not correct that. "Everyone has their own truth"
 
This part is fucking awful:
Recently, the glow of their father's place in the executive suite, the power and wealth now achieved, have lured my adult children into a demeanour of forgetfulness. "You cried so much and it made me feel guilty" and "everyone has their own truth", are phrases I have fielded from my sons in the last year. I also found out that many individuals in that side of my children’s' lives think that my ex is their biological mother, as that is implied and stated at all times, and my sons did not correct that. "Everyone has their own truth"
Ungrateful shitheads.
 
Bertina's story is so awful that I now really want to see her ex's dox given that it sounds like he's an old-school abusive troon and living the high-end life on the totem pole while his ex-wife goes through a hell he forced her into.
If he’s “in the executive suite” maybe he’s one of the people leading the Drop KF campaign - wouldn’t that be a shocker?

No it wouldn’t
 
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I (22f), love my spouse (23mtf), but.. (self.mypartneristrans)

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she cant make up her mind on what she wants. we have been together for just over 15 months now, and got married 7 months ago. she is my person, and i would do anything for her.

we have spent the last year trying for a baby, as we got accidentally pregnant last may (ended in miscarriage) and we wanted to pursue what would have been. my partner has been on hormones for the last 5 years, and stopped them to pursue this idea of having kids with me.

now, we had a tough conversation last night regarding that, and she said that while she still wants kids, she thinks it’s not a good idea for her in the long run because she struggles with mental illness (autism, depression, anxiety, personality disorder, has had several suicide attempts and ideation).. while i agree with this, because it would not be fair to baby if something were to happen to my wife and i would raise them alone without their other parent (this is something i do not want to bring a child into, raising them without both parents present and we have mutually agreed to this as partners).

from our conversation last night, she said that she wants to go back on her hormones, and she wants to apply for surgeries. she has been experiencing a lot of dysphoria since stopping her hormones and she also said that she does not want to have biological children any longer with me. adoption is open, down the line when we have a better idea of what we both really want.

it pains me bc we would fantasize about our kids and their futures sometimes.. it almost feels like they’re real, but they just havent come home yet. it hurts so much.

plus, she had a hospitalization last week due to an attempt, and i thought she was gone. she’s okay now, but it hurts me to see her like that because i love her so much. i do everything i can to support her and be a good partner, but i don’t feel appreciated.. we’ve talked on how it hurts me so much to see her like this, and how i should leave her if it hurts too much, but i don’t want that. 99% of the time, she is mentally stable and trying her best and using her resources to recover but she has a lot of work to do to get better and be a better partner (and she knows this, and said this herself to me last night). it’s just the 1% of the time where she turns into a different person and tries to kill herself that is so painful to go through.

i dont know what to do 😔 im scared shitless that she will somehow lose feelings for me once she transitions more, and becomes more feminine (even tho we are both bisexual.. her more than i, as i have preference for men, but i would make an exception for her because i love her).. im scared that i cant be the person she needs to feel safe, secure, and loved.

tldr: trans partner doesnt want biological children anymore, after a year of trying for a baby because it causes her too much anxiety and dysphoria to not be on her hormones and i am worried that her attraction to me will change after surgeries.

TLDR: she wants kids. Her husband trooned out, possibly due to her (not "we") getting pregnant, and has serious mental illnesses including multiple suicide attempts and the long list of personality disorders and "autism" that troons always have. He doesn't want biological kids anymore, and she's in denial about this relationship being over. It's horrifying to watch the emotional manipulation he's using to control her, instead of recognizing that her desires and wants are fundamentally different from his and they should split up so she can find a T&H man who wants to be a dad, and he can come a Reddit jannie.
 
plus, she had a hospitalization last week due to an attempt, and i thought she was gone. she’s okay now, but it hurts me to see her like that because i love her so much. i do everything i can to support her and be a good partner, but i don’t feel appreciated.
Come on now. If you got knocked accidentally by this person due to intoxication and loneliness, you might overlook this to raise your surprise baby alone if you were really pro life or had terminal baby rabies.

But to actively choose these genes as your sperm donor? Message from your future kid, if they are verbal or make it past adolescence: fuck you mom.
 

I should have known the first Halloween.​

I had seen the pictures of him before when he was in the Navy. Dressing in a sexy red dress that was still in his closet with a blonde 80s rocker girl wig, makeup done well, fooling everyone until you saw his hands which gave it away instantly. It was only for Halloween, he said. He was ever so proud that that guys had bought him drinks.

But I was a theater girl! It was fun! A man wasn’t any less of a man because he could pull off dressing as a woman. We did that all the time with stage effects. It was cool on Halloween! What better day to do it? Right?

I should have seen it. But I didn’t.​

There were other flags and I ignored them all. Everybody outside of our nuclear could be the enemy if they didn’t believe the way he did. Even my own parents became the enemy. And my friends. Only his friends and family remained. I loved him. It could work, right?

Then came the autogynephilia.​

First it was him wanting silky underwear. He appropriated mine when I brought them home. Then he had to shave his pubic hair, underarms and legs, just like me. Then pedicures. And why shouldn’t he get acrylic nails as well, he was there already you know?

We had two beautiful children. I couldn’t leave because what would that do to my girls? It didn’t matter that their father belittled me. That he was a functional alcoholic who drank a fifth of vodka in two days. Our family was intact. It was going to be ok. Right?

He went on travel for work. I noticed one of my nice skirts was gone. I thought I had just lost it in the closet.

When he returned, he confessed. He was a cross dresser. He went to a place that sold wigs to Drag Queens. He didn't buy one, just talked options with the lady. He brought my clothes and looked at himself in them with a wig on. He loved it.

He was afraid that I would leave him. I felt cold inside but assured him it was OK and we would deal with it. I would be a good wife. He said he loved me. We would be OK. Right?

The process sped up.​

He wanted to know what it felt like to have breasts. I made him fake ones, but that wasn't enough. It was my bra he needed and real breasts. I got a prescription for birth control pills to develop his moobs. He had to be professional at work so I bought him sports bras for work to contain them.

On the weekends he wanted makeup – but I had to apply it. It made me cringe inside. It felt so wrong and I did everything I could to beg off.

He didn't want to buy his own stuff. He WANTED MINE. He liked MY things. He wanted to look like me. Wear my clothes. Wear my shoes. Have me put my makeup on him. It made my stomach churn.

Then I broke. I will never forget that night. He wanted to wear my lingerie. He wanted me to wear a strap on, to get on top of me and ride me. I let it happen, feeling numb. I will never forget the look on his face as he straddled me riding the dildo, wearing my red corset, hurting my pelvis with his bouncing. I tried to not cry as the last pieces of my heart broke.

I went through the motions as I repressed everything. I needed to talk to someone. I couldn’t stay married to a woman. I wasn’t a lesbian! But our family code of silence was to continue. I already had 15 years of obeying him. There were no resources for me in the early 2000s. Nowhere to turn.

Eventually I confided in an internet friend who would understand. She walked into her marriage knowing her husband was an autogynephile and it didn’t bother her because she was bisexual.

My husband found out. The argument that followed lasted days. I betrayed him! How could I do this to him? I cried for days. After I groveled enough to "allow" him to still be my husband, I cried myself to sleep almost every night after I knew he was asleep. I cried at work. I cried in the shower. Everywhere he couldn't see I cried. I felt completely broken and despondent.

He then said that he wanted bottom surgery. He was ecstatic because he knew that he would have no issue at his job with acceptance – someone else had already blazed the way before with HR. But we would have to save up thousands of dollars for the surgery – insurance companies hadn’t gotten woke yet. It would never happen because of how horrible he was with money and I smiled a bit inside.

He was playing a phone MMO as if he was female in real life, flirting with men. It took the pressure off me to play into his fantasy, so I was happy for it. When asked for proof of being a girl, he used pictures of me.

Then it happened. I fell in love.​

Not with my husband, but with someone online who actually was the man I needed. We got caught and this began a year-long cycle of me being sneaky and talking with my online lover, my husband finding out and browbeating me into submission only for me to start all over again. My husband sought to get back at me and started talking with a girl online. It didn’t work and I ran even harder towards my lover.

He convinced me to go to a “Christian” counselor. We had a joint session first, focusing on the emotional affairs. Then came the separate appointments for more detailed assessments. I finally spilled my guts. The shock on the therapist’s face when she heard me detail everything and my issues with it all told me that it was so far beyond her ken. Too far. I began to get a sinking feeling.

When we came back for the next joint session, it was if my session had never occurred. We just rehashed the first session, with more focus around my emotional affair. How I needed to start to try to love my husband again because that was the way to heal our marriage. It was all about fulfilling him.

But what about me? What about the elephant in the room?​

I instead began to speak back to my husband in ways I never had before - openly defiant, no longer afraid of causing a fight in public. He seethed more and drank more. Eventually his anger over losing control moved the emotional abuse to physical - he smashed his fist through a door next to my head. I told my lover about it and we began to secretly plan my escape. We knew it was only a matter of time.

One day a few months after our 20th wedding anniversary, I said I was going to drive into town to get something. I took the $3000 in cash that I had hidden and the car that I had already packed with my clothing and instead drove three hours to the airport to pick up my online lover and drive back across the country to start our new life together.

If I had thought the verbal and emotional abuse was bad before I left, it went through the stratosphere now. I was a whore. I hurt him so badly. He did everything for me. He couldn't understand why I left. He turned my children against me. Almost turned my mother against me. Made all his evils - alcoholism, emotional abuse, physical threats, financial incompetence - into mine in his stories about how everything exploded.

The divorce.​

I testified in open court for our divorce at a hearing. I began to tell my story and take my power back. He had either a panic attack or a mild stroke as he realized I would expose everything. The hearing was abruptly ended and he didn't contest anything afterward. Four years after I left him, our divorce was finalized. My ex-husband married his new girlfriend the next day. She is bisexual, so if he ever decides to go back down the road of transition she might not mind.

My children came back to me eventually – the older within six months after I initially left, the younger took five years. They saw through their father's lies and now no longer have relationships with him. They bear their own scars though.

I didn't get the therapy I needed until Bruce Jenner made his transformation. I began having all the classic signs of PTSD after reading the tabloids. Panic attacks, hysterics over nothing, horrible nightmares. I saw a therapist who believed me, who validated my anguish over it all, and who helped me do the hard work to get myself under control and not let my ex still control me. I eventually learned not to punish myself for all the what-ifs.

Just this past March at the age of 50, I married my online lover. He stood by me through years of recovery, hoping that I would come out ok on the other side. I did and we did, and I couldn’t be happier. My girls were by my side when we got married. My family was made into a new circle with a new beginning.

I survived and thrived. You can too.​

The nightmare can eventually end. You aren’t alone.​

 
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