Off-Topic Trans Widows - Because why wouldn't this thread exist?

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That sounds so awful but again why did she go along with it for so long when it made her uncomfortable? I know doing something for someone you love. I understand that. But the visceral discomfort these women describe is so...there is definitely a lot about their relationships up until those points they're not articulating because any healthy relationship with someone you should IMMEDIATELY be able to tell them, no, this feels very uncomfortable and bad and I don't want to do X in the bedroom. Or let them know you don't like that they're into wearing your clothes, etc. He was very likely very controlling and manipulative in many other ways before she began to cotton on to his AGPness.
 
That sounds so awful but again why did she go along with it for so long when it made her uncomfortable?
they do it because they are (self-)indoctrinated with feminism

>crossdressing? pegging? wow that's so hecking gender non conforming and valid! i can feel the patriarchy being smashed by this! i'm gonna brag on tumblr about what a good ally i am because my boyfriend is doing queer coded things! we are ending toxic masculinity, this is so stunning and brave!

like, we joke and meme about this shit here, but a large majority of IRL women are fully devoted to feminism and progressivism. they read shit like this or that on a daily basis, from sources they consider trusted and authoritative:
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she personally might be really uncomfortable with shoving dildos up his hairy man ass while he's wearing her clothes, but she 'knows' (feels) that it is the right thing to do because good progressives don't kink-shame, and men should be allowed and encouraged to 'explore their feminine side', and being disgusted by ass play is kinda homophobic to begin with, and you don't want to be a bigot, etc.

tl;dr the modern consensus is that this is good, and the consensus can't be wrong, so instead it must be her own thoughts and feelings that are wrong. that's why she goes along with it.
 
they do it because they are (self-)indoctrinated with feminism

>crossdressing? pegging? wow that's so hecking gender non conforming and valid! i can feel the patriarchy being smashed by this! i'm gonna brag on tumblr about what a good ally i am because my boyfriend is doing queer coded things! we are ending toxic masculinity, this is so stunning and brave!

like, we joke and meme about this shit here, but a large majority of IRL women are fully devoted to feminism and progressivism. they read shit like this or that on a daily basis, from sources they consider trusted and authoritative:
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she personally might be really uncomfortable with shoving dildos up his hairy man ass while he's wearing her clothes, but she 'knows' (feels) that it is the right thing to do because good progressives don't kink-shame, and men should be allowed and encouraged to 'explore their feminine side', and being disgusted by ass play is kinda homophobic to begin with, and you don't want to be a bigot, etc.

tl;dr the modern consensus is that this is good, and the consensus can't be wrong, so instead it must be her own thoughts and feelings that are wrong. that's why she goes along with it.
Yeah, I'm with you. I just can't wrap my head around it. I also can't wrap my head around pretending to consider any of this attractive. To most women it's not. Maybe as an experimental thing with a fling but no woman wants her long term partner to ask to be buck broken by her LMAO. It just reeks of them acting like naive teenagers agreeing to "just the tip" because their high school sweetheart is so much in love with them and they're totes married in the eyes of God already.
 
they do it because they are (self-)indoctrinated with feminism
I have to disagree. I think that’s the case with some women, but for many it’s the opposite. The idea of breaking up their families and not being a supportive wife causes a ton of rationalizing and attempts at “fixing” the problem.

Women are put in impossible situations by either ideology.

From the right (or more conservative viewpoint) if you say “fuck off” and leave at the first sign, well then you’re a selfish wife and now single mom who will damn your children to a life of struggle and insecurity and are at the core of every societal ill - the breakdown of the nuclear family.

From the liberal worldview, you are a transphobe borderline Nazi and your husband is simply living his truth. Which is somehow the best possible outcome for everyone. So leaving is proof that you’re a shitty close-minded TERF who deserves to have her life ruined.

There is no decent outcome no matter what.

That said, the ones who say “He did all these things after I gave birth to our first,” then go on to explain how 3 kids later he’s still a degenerate shithead drive me nuts.
 
I don't understand how some of these women don't have friends or relatives to make the man disappear.

The guy with the storage unit?

First you prepay for two years on his card.

Then you get your friend/brother/cousin to drive downtown, pick him up, drug him, and lock him in the storage unit.

If someone asks where he went, tearfully say that you have no idea, he's been hiding things for years, and you suspect that he ran off with a lover.

They'll look at his socials and conclude that he ran off on his own.

In two years, when the storage unit people go to open the place up, they'll find him dead in his princess cave and conclude that he necked himself.

Even if they suspected that your cousin Jeff was the last person to see him alive, what are they going to do about it?
 
For all my bohemian and artsy folx, get ready for some poetry.

When he shattered my remains
The vase broke into shards
That spoke louder than trite words
In that crystallised moment
I know that his ways are not semi
Just permanent ink
Inscribed in my marble
His soul was dark
Those eyes remote
Uncaring laughter
My cringe and anger
Nothing to bridge
I turned back into myself
Found my own way
His path laden with thistle
A voice sounded like thunder
Promise and unknown
The enemies lay at my feet
His ego was the epitome
The last palace in his soul
I saw him erect, bold and beautiful
This man who has no love
It ran like sand out to sea
What I did not understand
How these shifted
Quick and slow
Churning
No outstretched hand
The wedding ring lay off his conscience
So my consciousness rose
Like the blush of a flower
My cheeks my own
This dark thing of beauty
Becomes a screw tightening
I am myself and he stands alone
In the jet black curls
Of the remains of youth
Pillaged in a fireplace
Where I sent my love
In the days after
As the beginning of the end
Painted the night to a close
Now that I am just a woman
Not his lover
Or a friend
Afraid of vulnerability
Bravery still cloaked my bones
I am my mother's daughter
I possess strength and resolve
These twisted guts
Laid on fresh stones
So hard for me to believe
Where the lament lies
How long I lasted
Cast aside
Like discarded clothes
His masculinity, too
Starved by him
Many years of pain
Torment carved into my tree
Not the interwoven
Initials of S and R
On the beggary of his love
Rhythm of mothering
Sustain and remorse
Echoing like children
Who I birthed
Close in age
Like morse code
These blessings of life
Carry me alive only
What drags on from today
Is a toll and resonant sound
It gathers a threatening message
The funeral of a friend
Now that he is trans
Who am I
Without him
Is a void
I will be able
With any remains of strength
To stand on the inscription of
The former world
Of him and I
Bisexuality and this great divide
As breathtaking
Valour reveals my true feelings
About love, loss and fraud
I have found myself in the process
For feminists have deep roots
He is a coward
With shallow views
Of what women are
When I married I sought to
Marry my equal
Not a pale version
Of being a good person
In his mind he rides his own boat
These swells of arrogance
That show his cards
Laid down
He is a joke and
A joker in one
Not I
I am Semper Fidelis
He broke up my careful dreams
Like cutting a pie crust
Digging into the filling
With male relish
Finally and begrudgingly
He told me his new body
New sexuality
Predates our marriage
This die was cast in doom
Rewriting our vows
Now
To fit his own agenda
This narrative I reject
I refuse to accept
This is the stance
Defiance lines my spine
After years of trying to be
The person he required
As he changed each tune
I am a dancer
In the middle of a bog
Suspended by pressure
My dew was fresh and pure
Now that I have fallen
Into a fire
The privilege of being
My husband
Carries no weight
I am beset with grief
Disbelief rakes my older face
Only tears barely break
In this moment
Lashes are my only recent memory
Laid on my selfhood
He is a tempest of destruction
The greed of his needs
Overshadowed those of his kids
I stand corrected
I am the past glory
Or a vassal
He expects to come running
Now that the Spring awakens
My tired body
Stirs on as before
Where the day holds joy
Only if I bring it in
Clouds sift through
My mind
Until I clear it of him
Where is my safety
The net I misplaced
I need only love
This blanket I wrap
Around my kids
Crafted by my great-grandmother's hand
There is nowhere near
Trust or truth
The bitterness overcomes
A sweet smell of blossoms
That flirt with the British sun
There is no tonic
That can relieve abject misery
Now that the season has shifted
He is a worm
Glutton on my soil
He infiltrated my body
My life's work and time
Time lost
The big interior of empty
Is so wide
It pains like a splinter
Slipped on my ring finger
Now shed of commitment
I command myself to break down
The tether of his fate
Set to drown out
My feelings and needs
Are my own
Last month and next week
For all times to dawn
The frolicking taste of
My new freedom
Now that he is a she
This is the venom
Dark disease of lies
For twenty years of us
As partners and allies
Grownups came into our own
And five years of living
As boy and girl
Teenagers are lofty
Found each other so young
Only he can know
What he is
How he will be
His bleaching effect of the sun
Fell on my own bones
Laid down lower
So he can travel with his
Epiphany of being feminine
While cravenly clinging
To his male form
That he will not shed
Because male privilege
Is more valuable than being a girl
This is the best truth
That I can ever receive
As I have always
Known in recent years
That he will cut me
Deeper than deep
And longer than cruelty that
Escapes from his lungs
His honeymoon of sexual frivolity
Now I can be me and
He can walk the desert
Of nowhere
That serves as his home
No fixed compass to lead
This ridiculous quest
A fantastic pledge
To destroy all that we had
Could have possessed
As one
 
13th Rule of Misogyny: Angry women are crazy. Angry men have trouble expressing themselves

Ours was a long marriage. My husband was an affable, good-natured person, perceived by most people, me included, to be “easy going”. Young and naive (though I thought I was experienced and mature), I would adjust myself as required to ensure that our life together was positive, fulfilling and shared. I did not take on board how one-sided this process was. The more this pattern repeated itself, the more emotionally depleted I became, and the harder it was for me to bounce back. For many years, I was grateful for my ex’s patience with me, his reassurances that he was fine, I just needed to pull myself together and all would be well. What I took to be his generosity was actually this message: I needed to be and act within a certain range within his presence. Anything outside of his window of tolerance he would simply reject, and wait for me to re-present myself in a state that he could handle. It took a long time to realise that this was the perspective of a man with autism who lacked insight into other people’s needs.

Children were added to this dynamic, I entered a phase of distress unlike anything I had ever experienced, and I withdrew from him physically, completely. Something in me knew that sex had been all about him, and my own need for connection and intimacy had vanished from the equation. I felt a bit like a sinking ship, throwing ballast over the side to try to stay afloat as a person, a partner and a mother.

I tried counselling many times, but because of his autism and my seemingly ever-present anger, the sessions were generally disastrous. Eventually, as the children grew older, he finally started to address the loneliness that we were both feeling – by arranging to see a sex counsellor. More anger -- this was top of his agenda? But I felt obliged (why?) to support his priority. In the third session, he announced he’d been seeing another sex therapist with whom he’d decided he was transgender. I was stunned. In the months after this announcement, I realised that some recent events had re-opened his experience of puberty, a traumatic transition for many people on the spectrum. What had been locked away had now become entangled in his present attempt to assert his sexual needs. I pieced together that it was through autogynephilic porn that he tapped into the transgender solution. He was going to supply his own sexual needs -- even the effort required to interact with me in sex therapy was too much for him. He told me our relationship would stay exactly as it had been, the same relationship I had desperately been trying, and failing, to make fulfilling for me and enriching for us as a family for a very long time.

He was oblivious to my distress, or perhaps he would not “reward” my “bad behaviour” with attention. He invited me to go shopping with him to help him choose women’s clothes. He filled the bathroom cupboard with hair-related treatments and products. Female-themed dress-up paraphernalia came home in a bag addressed to a private postal locker; prescriptions piled up in drawers. He only refrained from coming out through his work website because 2 colleagues advised him not to – not because I had asked him not to, given that our children did not at that point know. One day, he denied that he had had his eyelashes tinted, angrily telling me I was imagining things and I should stop being so stupid. I realised he’d have me doubt my own eyes to get what he wanted. I tried to leave then, and he talked me out of it.

We finally separated. Besides the usual stresses of divorce, I still carried his secrets -- when would he let his children know? I hadn’t confided in some of my closest friends to protect his and the kids’ privacy. His new household became a carefree place of great fun and few rules, like he was also a teenager, escaping an overbearing mother. He coached our teens according to his own way of interacting with me; retreat when your mother is “upset.” And, to varying degrees, they did. Their father eventually came out to them without letting me know. My years of carrying his priorities and privacy were simply irrelevant. Apparently they are “fine”. Whatever that may mean.

For some people, my family’s narrative has come to be about a difficult woman who has inflicted unhappiness on the lives of those she cares for; a man who has escaped her clutches and reinvented himself to the intoxicating praise of many well-wishers; and our teens, who are old enough to know their own minds. However, my children have no idea of what it is for a woman to be thrashing in a web of the needs of those she loves, trying to find her way to safety. That thrashing was so often visible as anger: it kept me from feeling silenced, helpless, giving in, giving up; from being effaced. And predictably, my ex-husband presents me as unstable. Looking back, this persistent anger seems the opposite of instability. Some inner core of self-respect was protecting me from the insanity of what I was being subjected to on a daily basis. I’m older, wiser, but still not free; I’m still fighting not to be effaced. I’ve written this because I feel a story has been written about me. It has no single author. In that story, I’m a bit player in someone else’s journey of self-discovery. But from my perspective, that journey was self-absorbed and destructive.
 
I hate when they say the teenagers are old enough to know their own mind. Kids will hide their true feelings on a subject to protect themselves and the tenebrous family dynamic when their parents separate. Additionally, the prospect of "losing" one of your parents if you don't agree with their life choices is also really scary for kids, even when those kids are older teenagers or even in their early adulthood. A parent child relationship is inherently hierarchical and because of the needs of children they'll often go along with whatever the parent(s) want or teach them for the sake of being cared for and maintaining the relationship. (So, basically: the teenagers know their own mind, yeah, I guess. But that doesn't always mean they're being HONEST about what they're thinking or feeling. It's the job of the adults in their life to recognize this and make proper decisions in spite of what kids say to get along to get along. Like, their dad has groomed them into his sphere of influence. No child naturally wants their dad to do this or anything.)

Acting as if an ADULT MAN whom has a PARENTAL relationship with someone young isn't a one road power dynamic and that the kids make all their decisions clean from that always gets me pissed about these stories too.

Also, no, lady who doesn't do this shit because he's autistic. He does that shit because he's abusive. If it was really because of his turbo autismo he wouldn't understand that you're upset or what you're upset about. What she is describing is him TRAINING HER to act the way HE WANTS.

I know these women write these things to be cathartic and their experiences are horrific. I hope my criticism doesn't make anyone think I'm trying to discredit them or anything--just that I'd like to point these things out for the sake of understanding. I hope no one reading this finds themself in a similar situation, but if you do, none of this is normal and there are few if any benign reasons for someone treating you this way. A lot of people write as if the AGP itself is the bridge too far but always describe a dysfunctional, abusive dynamic that expands way beyond the type of porn he got sucked into.
 
I don't understand how some of these women don't have friends or relatives to make the man disappear.
These guys self-select for women that don't have family or don't have anyone that care about them. Social atomisation has been going on for a long time, so there are more and more women like that every year.

Also, I know this site loves yelling about the guardian but the top paper here by miles is always the daily mail, because of their massive celebrity gossip section, and that cuts across all ages and demographics. Which isn't a left-wing paper. It's not about feminism, it's about lack of social support and as point and laugh said, having no way to win. Even staying out of relationships because you know you're vulnerable to exploitation due to a dysfunctional upbringing, you're a cat lady hag or whatever. Also it's much harder economically to be single.
 
It’s not my personal story, but there’s a guy that I worked with that moved in on a trans widow. She was married to a guy who trooned a few months after their second kid was born. Second kid. Just so cruel. No empathy.

I wish this story had a happy ending, but unfortunately she’s in a relationship with this guy, who also really sucks. He’s a degen that blows his money on OF girls, online poker, and magic cards. I doubt she knows she’s with another closeted pervert. I don’t know her, so who knows.
Did she marry Boogie?
 
I was in a relationship with a man, Matt. We shared political ideals, as these ideals were very important to me in my close relationships. We dated for about five years when I became pregnant, but I lost the baby due to having a blighted ovum. There were many red flags in the beginning of our relationship, both in relation to his later trans identity, and also because of his propensity for violence and his self-centered lifestyle. I stayed with him for so long, because I was broken. I had so many failed relationships, both with men and women, friends and lovers, that I just wanted a relationship to work. I had many relationships with narcissists in the past. I don't know for certain whether Matt is a narcissist or not, but his mother is one, and at the least he has fleas, or tendencies.

In the beginning of our relationship, I recall him breaking down, crying and so upset, because his parents didn't call him on his birthday. This triggered me to a past relationship of an identical situation. That relationship was with a man who was so many things that fall under the penumbra of evil. The similarity was a red flag, but of course there are many people who experienced unloving parents. I was one. I know that my mother loved me, but my father, also a narcissist, had made my mother believe that I was a daddy's girl, and that was the side I had picked. But, this was not the truth. I was a truth seeker in my family, and I know from the young age of 3 or 4 that my father didn't love me. He was emotionally and verbally abusive. He gave me one side of himself, and gave everyone else the funny, happy guy self. He would always praise my accomplishments to everyone else, and demonstrate how good of a father he was. But the same breath was used to tell me I was lazy, stupid, and I would never accomplish anything in life. The only compliments he would pay me were those attributed to his parenting or genes, and they were rare. My mom, because of her past traumas, was not emotionally bonded to me. She gave me food and shelter, and advice that never knew me. So, I kept getting in relationships that were toxic, because I never knew what it was like to receive unconditional love.

So, with Matt, I stayed, in part because I was afraid of failing, yet again, and because it was comfortable to feel needed by someone.

The breakdown on his birthday was just one issue. To be honest, I didn't want to date him in the beginning, but he wouldn't get the hint. He came to my apartment that had security where you had to ring the bell to be let in. When I didn't answer, he would ring everyone else's doorbell until someone let him in. That should have been another red flag. He also used drugs, like marijuana, and while I do not begrudge anyone to use substances in this depressing world, it played a part in the toxicity of our relationship. I left him a couple of times when we fought. He couldn't keep a job to save his life, primarily due to his depression and other mental health issues. He couldn't focus on his job, perhaps because he didn't care to, and he was more of a liability than anything else. He would break things, damage things, and kill things, though never on purpose. He had accidentally killed fish by feeding them the wrong food. Since his job was to feed the fish, once the fish were dead, he had no job. This type of behaviour was extremely common. I had left the home when I was pregnant due to some conflicts. I returned home close to the time I was about to give birth. I had a midwife, a doula, and support from friends. But Matthew was so self-interested that I could not rely on him as a support. Before a year past, he became violent with his words, threatening all of our lives, and also threatening family suicide. I left for good that time.

I don’t recall specifically what made me think he may be trans, but I recall that he did want to cross dress. He also seemed to advocate for women in a way that seemed outside of the norm of what a male should do, as though it was personal to him, but yet, he didn’t see my position in the relationship as that of requiring a feminist perspective. After all, I was the one doing most of the work of taking care of the domestic chores, the primary caretaker of the family, and the one paying the bills. Not to mention doing the emotional care-taking of him. My daughter recently, within the past year, began really advocating for trans rights, particularly in relation to pronouns. But this could be from her education, her peer group, or any other places. But she has given some indication that he may be trans. I have also consciously raised my daughter with a critical thinking skills and to question things. She understands the value of women’s privacy, the issue around sports, and women’s spaces.

Recently he contacted me and started blabbering incoherently about his trans identity, and basically stated he was trans all along but just didn’t have the language to say so. This is false. There has been language, he just chose to hide it from me, I believe, because he suspected that I would not accept it. I was not coddling or accepting of his wearing women’s clothing when we were together, and I suspect he didn’t continue down that path because I wouldn’t have accepted it. Since then, he has began changing his outward appearance by wearing more makeup, nail polish, and so on. And, he recently told me about a bunch of women who were all around him telling him all about the uses of makeup, and he learned about the armour that it provides for women. I wonder what other women’s secrets he is learning, and whether at some point, he will use this against us?

Other than masking, he doesn’t exhibit social norms that any woman would. He is a large man, not afraid to yell or scream at a woman or threaten her, though I have never seen him stand up to a man in the same way. There was a time that I was in a domestic violence shelter because of these threats to our lives, and because of his mental state. He is also very persistent as my story reveals, and isn’t afraid to push women to do things that they wouldn’t feel comfortable doing. I wonder how he will use the secrets of women to forge into his new identity.

When I look back, unlike others, I don’t think my male partner died. I think our whole relationship was a lie.
 
We began to see the counsellor which he had found for us. This counsellor advocated for “girl’s nights out” for my husband with a group of cross-dressed men in addition to his many other hobbies which pulled him away from me and our baby. She said he could better relate to me because he has a feminine side and we could do girlfriend things together. I disagreed with this and for this she told me I was very close-minded.
Something that’s really important is that you should never go to joint counselling with an abusive partner . There’s no positive outcome, they will be using what you say against you, and using any weakness you show to attack you.
really do feel for transwidows but so many of them seem to purposefully and blatantly go along with so much bullshit in the name of being open minded about things
It’s a mix of things, will expand below
He convinced me to go to a “Christian” counselor. We had a joint session first, focusing on the emotional affairs.
Again, very important for any trans widows reading this. No to joint counselling. Absolute no, do not do it. Don’t do it with any abuser, male, female, husband wife or any other relationship
That sounds so awful but again why did she go along with it for so long when it made her uncomfortable?
Yes there are red flags all over a lot of these stories. But I’ve seen similar play out with people I know with stuff like being controlling, violent, a boozer etc. Women are heavily socialised to be agreeable, it’s really deeply etched into us and it takes a LOT to get away from that mode of being.

I know more than one couple where one has a serious drinking. The spouses are still with them. They probably knew at the start. But you love someone. You’re young, and everyone drinks right? So him having a few too many now and again and coming home pissed is no big deal. You ask people around you and lots of them have a drink problem too and they say you’re over reacting.
Then you have kids, and five years down the line it’s escalated, and maybe he’s a nice drunk or maybe he isn’t and you still love him. You don’t want to get divorced, you just want things to be ok. That’s what women are socialised to do - smooth it over, stop the conflict. He’s a good dad when he’s sober. The kids adore him.

Things like ‘he hits you’ are more clear cut these days - people will say leave him. People will sympathise.
Now think about the cross dressing and fetish stuff. It’s such a sacred cow now that a woman who says ‘no’ to it is as likely to be told she’s a bigot as she is to be told to leave the bastard. So there’s that huge worry - will the court take the kids if I’m seen as a bigot? Will all my friends leave? And so many women are terrified of that.

It’s easy to blame these women but from what I’ve seen of marriage issues like booze, controlling / financial abuse etc it is not that simple for them. Almost everyone I know who has these issues is still with the husband or wife, even if he drinks from mine in the morning and even if he allows them no access to their own money and doesn’t let them leave the house.
 
:achievement::winner:HAPPY FATHERS' DAY TO ALL MY PAPPA KIWIS!:winner::achievement:

Salute to you who decided not to turn your mid (or quarter) life crisis into a family-ruining occasion where the desires of your flesh caused you to chase the coom dragon. Also, if you recovered from any existential crisis like, say, a health scare, and you came out an otherwise better person with a bit of perspective, salute to you.

Unfortunately for this next story...

Where do I start? I met my husband, we’ll call him Bill, who was a real gentleman and treated me very respectfully. He was completely without judgement. When I look back, he actually had no opinion on anything other than music.

We had been going out for about 6 months when he came round one evening with rather a large bottle of wine. I should have known something was happening that evening, but I wasn’t expecting to be handed a letter telling me that he was a cross dresser. It had taken him all that time to tell me he liked wearing women’s clothes and he had done from being a very young child. He needed to be drunk to tell me this and only told me because he could see a future with me.

Now personally I don’t see an issue with this. Clothes are clothes. For him clearly it was a huge thing to be disclosing. He must have been relieved that I didn’t see it as an issue for me.

Ultimately, we did get married and spent about 13 years together. We also had a child. He was an amazing Dad; I used to get quite jealous of their relationship. I didn’t have one with my dad. I could never fault him as a dad or as a husband. He was kind and considerate and worked hard.

All through those years I would go shopping with him to buy women’s clothes, go out to clubs. There was a secret society that we had to be vetted to enter so that this large group of men could get together and dress up and dance. I felt sad to see that they couldn’t do this with their wives and family. There were very few women in this group. They were men who liked to wear women’s clothes. I still don’t see an issue with this.

I used to speak to transwomen when out with my husband, most of them told me they had childhood trauma. I felt that some of them had really dark unresolved mummy issues or had been abused. On the whole they came across as nice people.

Sadly one of them committed suicide due to mental health issues and his realisation that he “shouldn’t have transitioned” because that “wasn’t the right answer” for him and “there is no going back”. I felt very sad to see someone going through that process of realisation and thinking their only way out is death.

It was odd that I didn’t fancy Bill when he was dressed in his women’s clothes, I did try. It felt fake. His personality changed too. He wasn’t quite so anxious in his alter ego; he was more confident, which was great for him and I appreciated this. It worried me though that he couldn’t be this confident all the time, and why couldn’t he wear any piece of clothing all the time and go about his day? It never stays that way though. He has an addictive personality so women’s clothes on their own wasn’t enough, he felt it stopped him from being his true self.

We had discussions about Transwomen and how that related to him. He went through therapy and made the choice to be my husband and not transition. We bumbled along for another year or so and eventually we broke up. He moved out and we kept in touch. He was my friend as well as my husband and my child’s father. We talked about reconciling, and then he had a health scare.

Once he recovered from that he went full on into transition. I told him that if he went down this road, that would be the end of our marriage as I had married a man. I was still supporting his choice. We were still friends and shared a child after all.

We agreed a strategy to tell our then 12-year-old child. He went off and told them on his own after having a Daddy Day (Sunday) with them. They came home devastated. They thought they were going to lose their daddy. My friendship with their Father ended that night.

I have been forced into the same room together for our child’s birthday etc, no other contact though. I remained civil and will continue to do so, that is my nature. I hate him for what his choice did to our child.

I have spent the last nine years supporting my child into adulthood helping them* slowly coming to terms with what their Dad is going through and helping them to understand. At the same time trying to keep their confidence up so that they never feel that his choice is anything to do with them or anything they have done, this is completely their Dads’ choice on his own, independent of them. This was exhausting. He has chosen his road without considering our child and the impact on them at such a crucial time in their lives. Typical man really!

Our child didn’t cope with the transition at all well even with my support. I have brought my child up to decide not whether they should have boundaries, but rather what their boundaries are, as they grow into adulthood and relationships. They are truly an independent thinker.

What impact has this had on me? Well……. That’s easy. After all these years I now have time to reflect. I no longer trust men to be honest with themselves so they can be honest with me. I have come to the conclusion that although transwomen profess to be women, they have all the empathy and compassion of a stone.

My husband was with me when I gave birth to my child. He still won’t have a clue how that felt. I had a hysterectomy due to Endometriosis. He will never feel that physical or the emotional pain, of what felt at the time like me losing the essence of me as a woman. He has never, and will never possess a womb. In fact when I came out of hospital he felt that was the time to take an online test to see how female his brain was as I hobbled up the stairs after the hysterectomy, mourning the loss of my womb.

On occasions, usually Pride events, he wears one of those t-shirts saying transwomen are women. What an insult to women! Being a woman is more than putting on feminine clothes and make-up, something most women don’t do as much as transwomen think we do.

What frustrates me most is that they feel so hard done by. They don’t have all the misery of being female, they only have the nice bits of being a woman, but then they claim to be just the same as any other woman.

I remain calm and kind because that is who I am. I feel that as soon as I let them make me lose control, they have won. I’m not letting that happen. They go low. I go higher.

And I will continue to call him a him, because no matter how he presents he will always be male. Women cannot father. Humans cannot change sex.

*Jessica has used neutral pronouns for her child to help maintain their anonymity.
 
Boomers getting in on the trans craze.

No preparation. No warning. No clue. Just the announcement: “I’ve decided I’m transgendered.” We’d been married for thirty-three years.

The details come out: for the past several years he’s been fishing my discarded underwear out of the trash, trying them on when I’m not home. Reading lesbian romance novels on his e-reader, a private account he hid from me. Watching “Transparent” at night after I’ve gone to bed. He’s already talked it all over with a mutual friend. He thinks he’ll transition, but not just yet. For now, he says, he’s not planning to come out.

Just like that, I’m pulled into his closet.

More revelations. He wants to “act the part of a woman” in bed. He wants to wear women’s lingerie, satin and lace. He wants to lie back, spread his legs; he wants me to lie on top of him between his legs. He wants to be penetrated. He thinks if he’s sexually submissive he’ll feel “like a woman.” For him, I do these things, although we’re not trading places, because I’ve never worn what he’s wearing, felt what he’s feeling.

He also wants us to be two women together; he wants to “act as a lesbian” to me. When he buries his face between my legs he moans with the pleasure of accessing what he wants for himself: I can’t get enough of you. I’m so in love with you, so grateful; I’ll never forget the wonderful gift you’ve given me. At first, it’s wildly exciting.

Then it isn’t. I want my husband back; I want our two bodies to talk together as they used to do. Out of the question: that’s now forbidden. He tells me he hates his male body, rejects male sexual response. He loves “being taken,” “giving himself up.” I don’t recognise his version of female.

He shaves off his beard. He shaves off his chest hair. He shaves under his arms, between his thighs. He says hair is male, and women are smooth. But he won’t shave his legs, because someone might “guess.” I have hair, too: on my legs, under my arms, on my face. When I shave my face I begin to feel shame; as a woman I’m clearly a failure.

He buys himself women’s clothes to wear around the house: a white slip, a swishy skirt. He adopts new mannerisms: simpering, dipping his chin, he coyly drops a slip strap. He grows emotional, makes a show of crying openly. A caricature of woman.

When I express my discomfort, my doubts, my pain, he tells me I’ve shamed him; he calls me cisgenderist, transphobic, a TERF. Yet living in his closet—where I never agreed to live—I have no one else to talk to. I can’t tell my family, my friends, my colleagues; to do so would be to “out” him.

No preparation. No warning. No clue. Just the announcement: “I’ve decided I’m transgendered.” We’ve been married for thirty-three years.
 
When I express my discomfort, my doubts, my pain, he tells me I’ve shamed him; he calls me cisgenderist, transphobic, a TERF.
>boomer man
>prances around the house wearing silk and lace lingerie
>puts on a 'dainty bimbo' performance
>yells about the hecking cisgenderist transphobic terferinos
i'd really like to see a pic of this guy, 100% he's fucking fat, bald, and out of shape
 
>boomer man
>prances around the house wearing silk and lace lingerie
>puts on a 'dainty bimbo' performance
>yells about the hecking cisgenderist transphobic terferinos
i'd really like to see a pic of this guy, 100% he's fucking fat, bald, and out of shape
Can't give you a pic, but I can give you a sequel.

There’s a burn mark on my right breast. Up high, a little in toward my sternum. I did it to myself, although I suppose that makes it sound as if I did it on purpose. I didn’t. I woke up with it one morning.

I’d just moved out on my husband the month before. It was late March, but still wintry, and I was sleeping in a small room in the basement of the apartment I’d moved into, the bottom half of an old house. The main floor was spacious and the rooms full of light, so I’d chosen to sleep in the basement because it was cool and dark and private down there. The furnace thrummed softly at night, making the small room I’d made my bedroom feel like a ship’s cabin. It felt like a safe place to ride out the storm of my divorce.

But, as I say, it was still winter, so I used a heating pad to warm up the bed, and then laid it over my chest while I read myself to sleep. That night, apparently, I’d turned it up too high, or maybe I’d gone to bed naked, without my usual T-shirt to cushion my skin from the heating pad. I woke up the next morning with an elongated burn on the tender skin of my right breast, an angry, raised red blister full of fluid, maybe an inch and a half long.

It was a tough time, those first months after I’d finally left to move into the apartment. On weekends, without work to distract me, I wandered the rooms crying, stopping to prop myself up against a wall and sob, and at first the burn seemed to me like an outward manifestation of the pain I was feeling over having to leave after thirty-five years of marriage.

Oddly enough, the burn itself didn’t hurt, although I had to be careful of the blister. I kept it under a bandage for some weeks, and each time I had to maneuver a bra gingerly over it, or position myself carefully in the shower to keep the full force of the water from striking my breast, it felt to me exactly like the care I was taking to shield myself from feeling the full force of the preceding few years.

About six months after I burned myself, in November, my divorce was final, after a single court hearing that began with the irony of my answering the court officer who asked if I swore to tell the truth with the same words I’d spoken at my marriage ceremony all those years ago: I do.

My husband wasn’t there; I’d asked him not to be, and I was okay, composed, until the judge leaned forward to ask what were to her the last routine questions in a series of them. “Is the marriage irretrievably broken?” she asked. “No chance for reconciliation?” My voice was unexpectedly full of tears even though I replied as she expected, while I reflected privately that when your husband comes in one day and declares he’s decided he’s a woman in a man’s body and wants to transition, then yes, the marriage you thought you had is over, even if you don’t want it to be, even if you pretend for three years that it isn’t, even if your husband eventually decides to live a closeted life. But I knew she didn’t want to know these details, so I worked to suppress them, only half-hearing as my lawyer and the judge went on to discuss the date for recording the dissolution with the clerk. Then my lawyer steered me out of the courtroom, a divorced woman.

There’d been an unseasonably early snow the night before, and when I returned to my apartment I went out to wander around in it. The snow-coated trees, still resplendent in red and yellow leaves, looked as if they, too, had been caught out unawares. I reached out to shake branches free of their freight of snow, as if I could similarly dispel the strangeness of my morning in court: the courtroom itself, a hybrid of church sanctuary and theatre-in-the-round; the spot-lit judge at her elevated dais; that mirror-image book-end promise of “I do.” That night we had such a hard frost that the ginkgoes did as they do and dropped all their leaves at once, and when I looked out the next morning and saw them carpeting the snowy ground, and all the branches bare, I thought, yes, now it’s well and truly done.

It took a long time for the blister to subside and the burn to heal, and it left a scar, slightly raised and pink. One day, looking at it as I showered, I realized with a kind of shock that my now ex-husband would never see this mark on my breast. The man who had known my body intimately for decades would never know this new thing about it. Anyone who might see this scar would be someone not my ex, and given my age, I didn’t think a new lover a likely possibility.

I vacillated between sorrow that this unseen scar marked the final rupture between my now ex-husband and me, and anger that the scar would be mine and only mine—barring my doctor—to know. Women’s breasts are for better and worse a kind of common property, and mine had been no different. Boyfriends and then husband had caressed them, my child had hungrily claimed them for himself. I had not wanted that divorce, even though I initiated it. And now here I was, aging and alone, carrying a scar of my own making.

Above all, my husband desired breasts. Before I understood the full implications of my husband’s desire to be a woman, when I still believed I had relevance, when I so desperately sought to stay relevant, to stay coupled, I’d offered him the use of my body to imagine himself a woman. One night I’d sat him down on the edge of the bed, both of us naked, and positioned myself to stand in front of him, between his legs, my back to his chest, then reached for his hands and lifted them up to cup my breasts. “Imagine,” I said, “that these are yours.” Use me, I meant, to fulfill your need. But of course one’s hands on another’s breasts don’t feel at all like one’s hands on one’s own, and that is what he wanted. To caress breasts of his own.

The breast forms he bought felt weighty and alien, he said, and served only to remind him he was not the woman he wanted to be. He decided he was glad he was fat, because the fat gave him what he referred to, coyly, as “kinda, sorta” breasts. He bought new bras, satin and lace but made for men, modeled on the website by nubile gay men. They fit better and felt more natural, and he enjoyed cupping his “kinda, sorta” breasts, or seductively lowering a shoulder, sliding a strap down to expose himself to play with—or invite me to play with—a nipple, and he sent me selfies of himself in such poses with come-on subject lines that I learned not to open at work.

I remember particularly the morning after I shaved his legs for him, another of his long-nursed desires. Having gathered up the razor and towel, I turned around to see him standing with his eyes closed, his hands to his chest; with a jolt of recognition I remembered the caption on a photograph I’d seen on the website of a Thai clinic specializing in gender affirmation surgery: “Trans woman communing with her breasts.” In time I grew to feel as if my husband had taken a mistress, whom he brought into our bed, and his hands on himself were also his hands on her.

After I gave birth to our son I chose to breastfeed. Breastfeeding felt like a continuation of the intimacy of pregnancy; I knew him inside and out. I knew from his movements inside me his waking and sleeping times, which would remain constant after he was born, and laughed over his preferred position, from which he never deviated after adopting it at six months, head tucked down and pushing against my pubis, bottom to one side, his legs stretched out long sideways—“lucky ‘7’” I called it—and I would often fondle the places on the sides of my belly where could be felt the hard knots of his heels and the muscular curve of his buttocks.

In the first weeks of his life, our son, Connor, slept at night in a bassinet near our bed, and to feed him I lifted him into bed with us, dozing off as he suckled. When we moved him to his crib in another room, I’d sit with him in a rocking chair there, making up silly rhymes—Connor Bonnor, Conster Bonster, Conster Bonster Monster—and songs to sing to him as he fed. Bonster, Bonsteration, caused some consternation, all across the nation, Bonster, Bonsteration. He would grip my finger or rest his open hand lightly on my breast, and it seemed to me his sucking would echo the pace of my singing.

My husband liked to watch me breastfeed, and one day he asked to photograph our son at my breast. I was privately reluctant, because the prospect made me self-conscious, a feeling not conducive to let-down—I was always worried I couldn’t supply enough milk—a feeling heightened by my husband leaning in with the camera for a close-up. But I put my hesitation aside, and told myself that opening the bond between my baby and me to include his father was an opportunity for the three of us to bond as a family.

When I left home I took with me the baby book, the one containing those close-ups my husband had taken of our son at my breast, and before I set it on a shelf in a closet in my new apartment I sat down and paged through it, and it struck me in an entirely new way how in those photos my face is absent. They show only my breast and the baby’s face as he suckles. In one of the photos, my son’s mouth is latched on to my nipple, and he is looking up. In my mind’s eye, I enlarged the visual field to supply the context for the image, what wasn’t shown in the photo. The baby wasn’t just looking up; he was looking up at me, I was looking down at him, and our eyes were locked on each other’s.

In light of what my husband had told me about himself, I sat wondering. When he framed and focused that photo to show only my breast, when he’d looked at it over the years, had he been substituting himself for me? “Imagine,” I’d said, “that these are yours.” Use me, I’d meant, to fulfill your need. Maybe, as with the bras and panties he’d filched from me without my knowledge, he’d been doing just that for years.

Tucked into the front of the baby book, in a folder of its own, was another photo, this one of me seven months pregnant, taken by a friend and office mate from graduate school. Diane and her partner Marilyn lived together in a big old house, and in her small upstairs study Diane had taken a series of black-and-white portraits of me at six and seven months pregnant. In this one, a nude, I was seven months along, seated up on the back of a futon, photographed from below, my breasts and belly the focus of the shot. My breasts are lifted above the swell of my abdomen, the areolas of my nipples dark, the faint line of pregnancy above my navel leads the eye upwards. My face is at rest below a homburg my father had worn when he worked in New York City, my eyes and lips unsmiling, my expression darkly unapologetic.

This was my favorite of the portraits she’d taken, but I’d never felt I could display it in the baby book. I thought it might embarrass my son to see his mother naked, and so had kept it separate. But now it seemed the only photo I could trust, the only one I knew to be untainted by my husband’s closely guarded secret, and I took it from the baby book and propped it up open on the bookshelf.

About a year after I’d moved into my apartment, and burned myself, my feelings about my scar began to change. The scar now seemed more like a tattoo deliberately sought out to mark a difficult passage, a recovery from injury, or victory over some adversity, commemorative, and I even began to feel satisfaction, that he, my ex, would never see what had become of my breast, that his memory of my breasts had been rendered inaccurate. That my breasts, my woman’s breasts, were out of his reach and his knowing.

It’s been almost two years now since I moved into the apartment, although for the past five months I’ve been living a thousand miles away from that home, such as it became. I’m back in the Colorado mountains where I grew up, and where I’ve returned to care for my 93-year old mother, taking my turn after my younger sister, and now making arrangements with my older brother for a care-giver to step in when I return home in a few months, the many hours and daily acts of care slowly effacing that difficult past. My son, who did indeed over the years “cause some consternation,” is grown up. The burn mark on my breast still reddens and swells in the shower, but it’s smaller now, and looks like nothing so much as the touch of a milky fingertip. My ex-husband lives by himself, with himself, who is sometimes her, in the house I used to call ours.
 
Yeah, I'm with you. I just can't wrap my head around it. I also can't wrap my head around pretending to consider any of this attractive. To most women it's not. Maybe as an experimental thing with a fling but no woman wants her long term partner to ask to be buck broken by her LMAO. It just reeks of them acting like naive teenagers agreeing to "just the tip" because their high school sweetheart is so much in love with them and they're totes married in the eyes of God already.
Women don't think like men... you would think that would be understood on kiwifarms. Let's take troons a woman was confused how men are not embarrassed of ftm for being abject failures at being men. As a man has that thought ever even entered your head unprompted?

They have a weird need to conform to a communal standard men generally don't. To most women the disgusting thing about mtf isn't what they are but they fail at what they are trying to become.
 
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