Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Literally everyone and their dog last time told me to get a specific shotgun that can't be beat and i don't think it was this

edit: this is REALLY pretty tho

Shotgun sperging: If you asked for a pump, you got told either the Remington 870 or the Mossberg 500/590. Well, Remington ain't what it used to be. If you want the best pump money can buy, get some variant of the Mossberg 590A1.

If you asked for a sem-auto, you almost certainly got told the Benelli M4. For years, it was THE semi-auto combat shotgun. However that's no longer true. The Beretta 1301 is relatively new, but it's kicking the M4's ass up one side of the street and down the other. If you want a semi-auto shotgun, get a Beretta 1301 mod 2 (if you can find one).

EDIT: If you need a semi-auto on a budget, check out the Mossberg 940. It's an ugly bastard, but generally reported to be well functioning.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Benelli is still a decent option, Beretta is just trendier now. Both make very good shotguns, generally can't go wrong with the B-brands.

Another model to look at is the Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol, it's a budget variant of the 1301.

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

you have an 1800s cannon loaded with grapeshot

"Ahoy, motherfucker!"

 

[Rent Tin]

and a scope worth more than the gun that records shots so I can use it as evidence.

What situation do you foresee that would require this, that wouldn't be covered by the following:

1. If you're in any state you've talked about living in, somebody entering your house is already covered by stand your ground laws and you need no other proof of self-defense than their forced entrance into your residence.

Even the most biased of jurors would be hard pressed to concoct a scenario where somebody smashing your windows with the butt of a rifle to get inside didn't actually mean to harm you.

2. If somebody was attacking you from outside the house, it should be caught on your exterior security cameras, which will get a much clearer view of the situation than a shaky scope camera.

If you're really set on a gun camera anyways, then get one of the ones that you can mount to the sides or bottom of the gun, instead of the sight. This way there's no concerns about a possible malfunction or the camera otherwise obscuring your sight at the worst possible moment. The shot cams that you see in long-range youtube videos are bulky and intended for bench or prone shooting at very far targets.

 

[Samhain]

I agree with @Rent Tin. Shot cams aren't meant for fighting rifles. Mounting a GoPro or something to the rifle would make a little more sense, but even then, I'd say a body-worn camera mounted to a plate carrier makes more sense. You can even use a phone installed into a Kagwerks or Juggernaut case mounted to your plate carrier as a makeshift bodycam. This kind of setup would give you constant hands-free access to a 911 call as well.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

scope worth more than the gun that records shots so I can use it as evidence.

I’ve never heard of a scope like this. It sounds interesting. What’s the make/model?

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

Okay, so no standard NATO cartridge will pierce L4 plates. Is that the consensus?

Just because it won't penetrate doesn't mean it won't break their ribs. Especially on repeat hits.

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

I’ve never heard of a scope like this. It sounds interesting. What’s the make/model?

Could be as simple as an add on like this one.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I’ve never heard of a scope like this. It sounds interesting. What’s the make/model?

Any modern thermal/camera-based night vision cam supports recording now, like the Holosun DRS-TH. I would recommend skipping the Holosun and going for an IRay, though.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

Could be as simple as an add on like this one.

NGL - a glorified go pro for you gun sounds pretty rad. Kit yourself out like you’re a member of a SCP MTF.

 

[4090 Chad]

helmet with NV

and a scope worth more than the gun that records shots

you could just combine these and get a badass thermal optic. Literally gives you Predator vision and high end models are extremely detailed so you can easily target identify.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Are there special permits I can qualify for to get 5.56 in AP?

Like if a bunch of ANTIFA supersoldiers fed the highest quality of soy and niggerdick decide to strap on IV and storm the gates of my Fortified Swamp, I want to gun them down.

A .308 AR-10 loaded with some hot rounds might not penetrate a Level 4 plate at less than 50 yards (which is what the likely range is for your scenario I'm guessing) but it will absolutely take you out of a fight for a bit.

Or go old school and get some .30-06 AP for a M1 Garand or a BAR/modern BAR

M855 will not pierce level 4 plates. 30-06 AP will not pierce level IV plates. The whole reason the military was freaking out trying to make something that could, is because there was nothing that could reasonably do it (at the distances they wanted), even for them. Keep in mind this is discussing infantrymen, not including snipers, artillery, etc. Level IV plates are just really good at their job.

They're also rather heavy and bulky.

Most larpers wear their plates absolutely WRONG.

I don't subscribe to the ideas of, "dw about it they won't do that", because if I talk about my guns and they know it can't defeat L4 and they're going to cause problems, they'll get that. Don't forget a lot of these troons are gun spergs or even ex-military. Greta Gustava (TLL) who, because of the forum, is basically disgraced and excommunicado from the cult of trans for the unforgiveable crime of gay sacrilege, is ex-US military and has posted videos of himself shooting to try and scare me.

INDEED. You could also go for a .300 Win mag or .338 Lapua or .338 Norma mag in semi auto and go to work.

Note, these rifles would be retardedly expensive, bulky and heavy.

They would, hower, probably punch through anything you could reasonably wear as body armor, certainly inside of 100 meters.

The ANTIFAggots can't pay their rent. They have airsoft gear with rainbow punisher skulls on them. They didn't do enough research to not be faggots, so it's likely they watched a YT vid and just bought whatever they were told. If you took 100 of them that are geared and actually invested in doing anything to you, maybe 3 of them have actual gear. The rest bought aliexpress and ebay shit so they can larp as revolutionaries. The vast majority of them, even if they have good gear, have no constitution or mental toughness. They don't ruck, they've never been in a real altercation, the shake and seethe when someone calls them a faggot on twitter.
If they made it to the front gate, and their super powerful LVL4 armor stopped one round, I can say with surety, they will realize that life is not video game, that fucking hurt, I'm going to flee.

Yep, they usually don't like it when reality punches them in the face

Literally everyone and their dog last time told me to get a specific shotgun that can't be beat and i don't think it was this

edit: this is REALLY pretty tho

It's fucking AWESOME. NGL it might be the last shotgun I ever buy.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

People greatly overestimate just how much coverage armor gives them. In most cases it's just a small 10"x12" plate which doesn't cover much if you're over 6 feet tall.

The one time I'm unironically jealous of manlets... it's much easier for short people to find a hole to crawl into or get closer to the ground when things start flying your way.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

People greatly overestimate just how much coverage armor gives them. In most cases it's just a small 10"x12" plate which doesn't cover much if you're over 6 feet tall.

The one time I'm unironically jealous of manlets... it's much easier for short people to find a hole to crawl into or get closer to the ground when things start flying your way.

I know. I bought Mrs. Balls a plate carrier the other day. The difference in what it covers on me, her, and the buddy that pointed me in the direction who is bigger than me is laughable.
THAT BEING SAID. Does anyone have experience, or know of someone, who has used these?
https://www.221btactical.com/produc...dy-armor-plate-carrier?variant=40280925929569
I want a low profile PC for both soft armor and plate. Soft armor for day to day, want it to be easily concealed under a suit jacket or big T-shirt and the like. But with the ability to add plates, if I have foreknowledge that I will need them. Odds are my day to day isn't going to see me facing rifle rounds, so soft 3A is fine for walking around where nobody can tell I'm wearing armor.

 

[Bummer]

I'm going to get several guns, a carrier, helmet with NV and pass through headphones, and a scope worth more than the gun that records shots so I can use it as evidence.

Nice, NVGs are expensive as fuck but worth it. Don't try and cheap out though, no digital. A gen 3 pvs 14 is bare minimum. Next question is do you want thermal. I run duel bands, (thermal on my left eye night vision on my right. It's clunky and takes getting used to but it will give you thermal capabilities without dumping 13k on binos and a COTI overlay device.
Knowing that you are going to want to set your rifle and main sidearm up properly for NVG use from the jump so you don't end up like me having to completely rebuild my setup to work with nods. You are going to want both passive and active aiming. Passive aiming means using a very dim red dot to aim without emitting any IR light and active aiming used an IR laser and illuminator to target. Active is for fighting people who don't have night vision because if gives you longer range in the dark and they can't see IR light with the naked eye. Passive aiming is for fighting people with nods because you don't want to telegraph your position by belching IR light near enemies who can see it too. If it's your main rifle you should consider magnification mandatory, you will want it if you don't have it. Basically you are going to need a laser which sucks ass because of FDA regulations that limit power output for civilians. (Holosun Iris should drop soon though and depending on performance may be game a changer in the market). After that the 2 main setups people run are an Aimpoint or Eotech red dot with a magnifier or an LPVO with a piggyback pistol red dot like an RMR on top. I like the latter option because the lpvo is so much nicer at range that it makes up for the slightly diminished 1× performance. If you do go for the scope with a piggyback dot, don't go with a canted dot on the side. It looks cool but it's a contortion act trying to aim with nods on.
Next up if you got nods you basically need a silencer if only for flash suppression. It's just annoying as fuck autogating your tubes every time you fire.
As far as a plate carrier, the question is do you want a minimalist setup or do you want a big chungus overt rig? Either way there are a ton of options but for a minimalist rig I would get a Crye JPC 2.0 or a Ferro Concepts Slickster. Both can be built up but they are also great slick carriers. If you want overt I would check out the Agilite k19. It's the standard PC for the IDF and it's stupid comfy. Also it's basically a complete set minus the placard out of the box, you don't have to spend extra on shoulder pads and cummerbunds and all that shit.
The carrier obviously matters but what plates you get are the heart of the whole thing. Do not waste money on steel plates. They are heavy and spalling in your jugular will kill you just as fast as a bullet. Get ceramic lvl 4 plates that are edge to edge protection, multi curve, and as light as possible. This is another mistake I made. I'm running around in 8.1lb RMA single curves. It fucking sucks and it hurts. Right now I'm eyeing the Shellback Tactical light weight Prevail series. They check all the boxes I just mentioned and you can get a set for around $600.

Sorry for the wall of text but there is a lot that goes into getting properly squared away and it's expensive. Starting with a solid plan in mind can really help you not piss cash away buying shit that you will have to upgrade or swap out later. Honestly I'm only scratching the surface here. The nitty gritty details of what mounts will play friendly with what setups and sieving and fitment get into even wider branches of autism.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I know. I bought Mrs. Balls a plate carrier the other day. The difference in what it covers on me, her, and the buddy that pointed me in the direction who is bigger than me is laughable.
THAT BEING SAID. Does anyone have experience, or know of someone, who has used these?
https://www.221btactical.com/produc...dy-armor-plate-carrier?variant=40280925929569
I want a low profile PC for both soft armor and plate. Soft armor for day to day, want it to be easily concealed under a suit jacket or big T-shirt and the like. But with the ability to add plates, if I have foreknowledge that I will need them. Odds are my day to day isn't going to see me facing rifle rounds, so soft 3A is fine for walking around where nobody can tell I'm wearing armor.

It's always a tradeoff between concealability and protection, my LPAAC got great soft armor coverage and is comfy with rifle plates but it's not exactly covert. Most covert setup I had was a Slickster-style PC with level IIIA 10x12 plates, except it was comically tiny and offered minimal protection, ended up replacing it with an Israeli soft armor carrier that had plate pockets and fit pretty well under a hoodie or a bulky jacket.

Edit: Build the big chungus overt rig. You know you want to. Shoulder pads and all.

 

[Justtocheck]

People greatly overestimate just how much coverage armor gives them. In most cases it's just a small 10"x12" plate which doesn't cover much if you're over 6 feet tall.

Hard agree with this, I don't know why people made such a big deal from plate protection. In fact I made a sketch to illustrate it since most illustrations kinda sucked.

Any part of the purple with a rifle round can be very deadly. Subclavian and brachial arteries, neck, humerus, then in the abdomen we have the lower part of the liver that's exposed, part of the spleen, kidneys, abdominal and iliac artery, the lower spine, etc. And that's not counting the legs, hips, forearms or head.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Hard agree with this, I don't know why people made such a big deal from plate protection. In fact I made a sketch to illustrate it since most illustrations kinda sucked.
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Any part of the purple with a rifle round can be very deadly. Subclavian and brachial arteries, neck, humerus, then in the abdomen we have the lower part of the liver that's exposed, part of the spleen, kidneys, abdominal and iliac artery, the lower spine, etc. And that's not counting the legs, hips, forearms or head.

Yep, that's why I'd rather have a 5.56 rifle with more ammo on me than a heavy ass battle rifle with a minimal amount of ammo that can theoretically pierce armor.

 

[Queesechake]

I’ve never heard of a scope like this. It sounds interesting. What’s the make/model?

This is obviously not a recommendation for self defense or anything serious at all but if you want a cheap scope that can record your shots at the range or hunting animals the Sightmark Wraith series is cheap as dirt and can do that. I actually just went to the range yesterday to zero my wraith HD I've had sitting in the closet for a couple years and was surprised how good it worked.

 

[Baked Al-Aqsa]

a carrier, helmet with NV and pass through headphones

Have you ever had to put on kit in a high stress situation? The antifa super soldiers with over 69 confirmed kills against nahtzee transphobes who bust your door down at 4AM aren't going to give you a heads up so you can don a plate carrier and secure it, mount and strap on a helmet and earpro, turn on nods and grab a rifle. Unless, of course, you plan on sleeping by day and sitting all night cooding sneedforo while wearing your kit.