Megathread The Pooner Zoo - A thread for collecting wild Pooners and posting OC Pooners, and anything Pooner related

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So has anyone else been thinking of the horror story epilogue that is the current state of Poppy Z Brite since this post? Walk with me as I have a minor "wtf"
I never read her homo vampire books, but as a kid I had that exact "one to watch" photo of her in my scrapbook (lol old). I was a teenager and at the time she seemed so cool. I've known pooners irl but this hit me harder for some reason. Wth man
She also wrote a bio of Courtney Love iirc. I enjoyed it but I was a kid; I'm sure it was actually goofy trash. Iirc she worked with Love and was mad/sad that Love wouldn't sign off on calling the bio "authorized."

Do they all think they'll turn into David Bowie or something? She looks like someone's embarrassing alcoholic uncle. The "obsessed with fake gay fantasy sex" to FTM pipeline is real, that much is clear. But is it just a result of some pornsickness that women engage in? What kind of woman? This is the one FTM track I don't really "get" like the others.


Something notable, Bowie is always held up as this apex of androgynous chic, which he was, BUT oh irony, when he is Actual Full Trooned up, in the end of the Boys Keep Swinging video, he looks fucking horrific.
Gender bending people look cool when they are still true to their actual reality, because reality is truth and truth is beauty.

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When you try to push it as real, even on what people would think as the perfect specimen it looks just as pantomime hideous and scary as any other hon or drag queen (I like drag queens for what it's worth, but they are supposed to be scary. The whole rehabilitation of them is lame and defeats the whole purpose.)


This song is actually a pooner anthem too.
Heaven loves ya
The clouds part for ya
Nothing stands in your way
When you're a boy
Clothes always fit ya
Life is a pop of the cherry
When you're a boy
You can wear a uniform
When you're a boy
Other boys check you out
You get a girl
These are your favorite things
When you're a boy
Boys
Boys
Boys keep swinging
Boys always work it out
Uncage the colors
Unfurl the flag
Luck just kissed you hello
When you're a boy
They'll never clone ya
You're always first on the line
When you're a boy
You can buy a home of your own
When you're a boy
Learn to drive and everything
You'll get your share
When you're a boy
Boys
Boys keep swinging
Boys always work it out
 
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Fascinating. "I wish we had more bonding time". Talking about socializing at the soccer game.
The game is the bonding time.

Also, I'm hearing that apparently women poop faster than men. Can womanbros confirm?
I've noticed some men will take their time while shitting, not that it actually takes them any extra time to poop, they just kinda like the moment of solitude I suppose?

This is just what I've witnessed among a handful of the men I know though.
 
@Aunt Carol
Sex ramps up the intensity of feeling; it's one of the base human drives. It's as easy to use sex to make your product desirable as it is to throw bacon on a fast-food hamburger. The canon story is dudes pledging fealty to each other as they fight impossible odds, and everyone loves that part--so you add some battle-brother blowjobs the same way you'd upcharge for guacamole. Maybe not so cynically; people just know they want more.

I see. So it's like going into MSpaint and using the circle tool to make the booba bigger.
I guess a more authentic example would be adding a lesbian scene to a movie. Can't stand that stuff. I can never buy that these characters actually want to have sex with each other.

In fiction it's a cheap shortcut to throw in a sex scene or a romantic subplot when you can't (or can't be bothered) to show a deeper connection. (Much "asexual" bitching on this topic has been recorded.)

Only asexual I've ever interacted with for a notable amount of time was a dude with an inflatable dress fetish who hung out on skype with high-schoolers, was a Facepunch user, and got me kicked from the group for wrongthink in 2015—in hindsight, he did me a favor. One of those guys wound up working with Shmorky in some capacity, I think. Sometimes I wonder if everyone I've just mentioned is dead now.

"Asexuals" are the only group where I've just gotta throw my hands up in an "I dunno" gesture.

Access to fictional stimulation (including standard porn) has never been better; human connection seldom worse. We're seeing it hit men and women differently. Pornsick men seek more and more visual stimulation; for all the m/m fanart that's out there, there's a lot more writing, including fiction as well as people reblogging "imagine if" and adding something else.

Men make a lot of this too, but nowhere near as much. It's usually got titles like "Fluttershy Developes a Porn Addiction: chapter 50,671" or "Tenderly Raped in the Locker Room by my Pterodactyl Personal Trainer: Part 8 (Illustration by DinoMuscleMaster)".

This raises a question: how often do pooners read or look at porn made by men rather than women? You'd think they'd be cramming for the test(tosterone).

The nature of men and women and whether each is able to sink themselves into pure competition--I'm not going to pretend to be a philosopher, but it sounds as attractive a concept as it sounds idealized. Other than sports, being used to one's fullest and liking it is rare in the modern world. Most accomplishments have a social aspect; there isn't much achievement (or employment) that's just skill, strategy and/or endurance.

I keep forgetting that the "social aspect" is also a skill, with the same creative-athletic pleasures of tension and release as sex, weightlifting, strategy, analysis, or anything else.

What I have more speculation on and what's relevant to this thread, is the hypothetical psychology of the pooner. We know that men can fall into troonism; the female failing is different in the mechanism, but not the end.

Care to elaborate? If it were just autoandrophilia I'd be able to understand, and even empathize with them. I keep hearing about the desire to escape male attention (for reasons varying depending on the individual), which also makes sense. What's your model?
 
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A historical pooner: Lou Sullivan, who went around tricking gay men into sex and caught AIDS and died. She tried to get legally recognised as a true and honest dood, but the authorities wouldn't allow it because trooning out in those days was only for actual gays and lesbians to try to pass as straight, and fujoshis and AGPs weren't trendy yet. When she was diagnosed with AIDS, she said "They said I couldn't live as a gay man, but it looks like I'm going to die like one." Inspiring words, Lou, this one's for you.
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Sam and Frodo are good friends doing some heroic damn deeds, being narrated skillfully and with all the stops pulled out on the drama and the world at stake. Their friendship hits the reader so hard that it can overflow into wanting to have them fuck.
The way some sick fucking Gendershits try to headcanon Sam and Frodo into a pair of pillow biters is some of the most sick fucking shit I've had the misfortune to come across and it's almost insulting to Tolkien, who didn't intend anything of the sort.
Tolkien survived the Somme, saw his friends drown in blood and mud and shit, saw them blown to pieces, gassed, burned, and tried to convey how hardship and horrific struggles can form friendships that are closer than blood, and these gross purient coom brained fucks try to turn it into a sodomite fantasy to jerk off over.
Its fucking gross and its insulting as hell.
Tolkien would be fucking appalled.
 
The way some sick fucking Gendershits try to headcanon Sam and Frodo into a pair of pillow biters is some of the most sick fucking shit I've had the misfortune to come across and it's almost insulting to Tolkien, who didn't intend anything of the sort.
Tolkien survived the Somme, saw his friends drown in blood and mud and shit, saw them blown to pieces, gassed, burned, and tried to convey how hardship and horrific struggles can form friendships that are closer than blood, and these gross purient coom brained fucks try to turn it into a sodomite fantasy to jerk off over.
Its fucking gross and its insulting as hell.
Tolkien would be fucking appalled.

It's a pitiable thing.

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"Asexuals" are the only group where I've just gotta throw my hands up in an "I dunno" gesture.
At this point, the definition for "asexual" has drifted firmly to "anyone who wants another descriptor." It's beyond the scope of this thread, other than noting that some of the women who constantly schlick to fiction, or are traumatized or shy or autistic, hit on it for an explanation of themselves and never update their status once they turn out to be a late bloomer instead.
Men make a lot of this too, but nowhere near as much. It's usually got titles like "Fluttershy Developes a Porn Addiction: chapter 50,671" or "Tenderly Raped in the Locker Room by my Pterodactyl Personal Trainer: Part 8 (Illustration by DinoMuscleMaster)".

This raises a question: how often do pooners read or look at porn made by men rather than women? You'd think they'd be cramming for the test(tosterone).
I'm not a coomer nor a literary scholar, but as someone who was once a teenager on an earlier iteration of the Internet, look at the difference in stories on AO3 and stories from alt.sex.stories (mostly men). Or in modern days, "sissy captions," or whatever you call it when a middle-aged man takes a photo and uses an image editor to type expository text all over it about how the person in that photo is now owned by a black man or has shrunk you tiny and is going to step on you. Much more straightforward.

It's the difference between a waifu and a blorbo, to use the modern terms. We're talking beyond sitting down and writing a story about your object of desire/identification, but the ability to yes-and hypothetical scenarios with strangers about the same beloved character. Sometimes it veers into Dean Supernatural hypothetically choking on dick, but sometimes it's just a long thread of people working themselves into a frenzy imagining how that character would act if XYZ happened.

There are a lot of women finding community by seeing everything through a lens of the characters in their shared show, or just their favorite characters. A new text meme comes out, they edit it so it looks like the "right" characters in that show were posting that dialogue. It's kind of like the tulpa fad, except it's with characters who already "exist" and other people (mostly) agree on. You have a male character riding along in your head, it's easy to start "thinking as" that person and from there getting on the slope to pooning out.

The same for OCs.
Care to elaborate? If it were just autoandrophilia I'd be able to understand, and even empathize with them. I keep hearing about the desire to escape male attention (for reasons varying depending on the individual), which also makes sense. What's your model?
Women are vapid sex holes, but I have hopes and dreams and an internal monologue. Therefore I am not a woman.

Women (in my TV show) are ignored because they're under-written, or because we don't want to think of them stealing the attention of the main male character from us. Therefore fanworks will largely involve the male characters; I am into this show because I like to think about the characters and what they might be thinking; therefore I must be male too, like my blorbo.

After living online with my friends and posting in-character as my beloved male character, I'm getting good at it. I have lots of feelings from it, one thing led to another, I've been posting RPs with another person I only know as the mun for the other canon character. Things have been getting steamy and this is a lot of sustained emotion to marinate in. Even though I have to remember to describe it as dicks and ass instead of a vagina, I'm still feeling it, over and over again.


Women are not sexless angel beings, but by the numbers you're going to get a lot more takers if you bait your lady-trap with emotions and community than raw full frontal. It's still erotic target inversion, but feels-first.

This is my theory of the online poonout, however. More IRL, there are also the usual "scared by breast development and its consequences at age 11," "bad-touched," "autistic and stumped by the cruelty of adolescent girls." Like the male troons, women come to it from all directions, but once they declare trans identity or questioning, they're surrounded by the others in the group congratulating and egging them on, and people from outside "affirming" for legal and ideological reasons.

Tolkien survived the Somme, saw his friends drown in blood and mud and shit, saw them blown to pieces, gassed, burned, and tried to convey how hardship and horrific struggles can form friendships that are closer than blood, and these gross purient coom brained fucks try to turn it into a sodomite fantasy to jerk off over.
I'm in agreement, but I think that while there are people who smugly argue against close same-sex friends because they've swallowed "queer theory," there are also people who are struggling to comprehend "holy shit those guys are friends, this is amazing." A lot of the second group, being callow youths betrayed by the culture they steep in, can only think to intensify a friendship by adding fucking--and when they look to see if other people share their feelings, they get the sex part reinforced.
 
Enjoy this collaged pooner.
I've never collaged before (please no booly) but thought it might be a fun new craft to try. She's made with an old quilting magazine and an even older metro map book. I think I'll keep going with this hobby, but definitely need better scissors and tweezers. One of her nips is forever embedded in the glue stick.
Cartoon pooners are my favorite and I'm not ashamed I used my time in this manner.
Spoilered because she's airing out her phallo.
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@Aunt Carol

I have never seen the words "blorbo" or "mun" before in my life. This is very a immersive alternate world I'm being thrown into. I feel like I'm reading a Gene Wolfe novel.

Women are vapid sex holes, but I have hopes and dreams and an internal monologue. Therefore I am not a woman.
The MtF version: "Women are vapid sex holes—BASED!"

I'm not a coomer nor a literary scholar
Got you covered on at least one of those.

. . . as someone who was once a teenager on an earlier iteration of the Internet, look at the difference in stories on AO3 and stories from alt.sex.stories (mostly men). Or in modern days, "sissy captions," or whatever you call it when a middle-aged man takes a photo and uses an image editor to type expository text all over it about how the person in that photo is now owned by a black man or has shrunk you tiny and is going to step on you. Much more straightforward.
There's a guy I talk to who used to write furry captions on /trash/ and elsewhere, and he quit mainly for this reason (aside from not being able to build anything off of his work). He was frustrated by how rigid and inflexible the medium ishere's an excerpt from the lengthy document he wrote on the subject:

My Thoughts on Captioning (Or, What I Would Tell Myself If I Could Go Back)​

If you, past me, are considering getting into caption making… don’t.

Just don’t. Don’t bother with it, rid the thought from your mind. Do something more productive. Draw, sculpt, write, paint, weld, play video games, I don’t know. Just don’t make captions.

I got into captioning many years ago thinking it would be a good way to expand my writing prowess; I wrote a few captions that I ended up losing (with two saved in Bonus Material) but wouldn’t release anything until I wrote [REDACTED FOR HIS ANONYMITY]. If I could go back in time and convince myself to turn that into a full piece, short story or perhaps even more, I would have, as that started a very long chain of events leading up to me compiling this archive. Admittedly, making captions was fun at first; it was a silly and low-complexity medium with a lot of room for experimentation. I could make what I wanted how I wanted to, without really worrying about quality or themes.

Maybe I just hung around the wrong circles, but I can say that those conceptions have long since been wiped clean from my mind.

Captioning is very strict and formulaic. It is an unspoken expectation that every caption follows a relatively similar pattern as follows.

  1. Reader meets subject. This subject is usually female, though a (submissive) “futanari” is allowed as well. Male subjects are allowed only if your audience is expecting one already. If they aren’t, you have already lost.
  2. Subject has overwhelming, simplistic feelings for the reader. This is almost always some form of contrivance in the flavor of “childhood friend”, “secret crush”, “wife”, “mother”, or “vicious, obsessive stalker with a crush”. You must pick from the list; mixing is fine but making anything new is discouraged. Forbid you make an interesting sendup, lest you diverge from what is expected of you.
  3. Reader and subject screw judiciously from start to climax. This must be described in detail with ludicrous amounts of dime-store level hentai writing and onomatopoeias that the reader is too much of a moron to imagine. You’re not allowed to be artfully descriptive or leave a single bit of the experience up to the reader. Rather, you are to hold the hand of the entire fantasy from start to finish. Done correctly, the reader shouldn’t need to fire a brain cell.
  4. Subject climaxes. This is basically an extension of Step 3 but with extra keyboard hammering. Just find a highly produced porn video and copy what the woman says in your work; befalling that, find a hentai script. The effect is the same.
  5. The reader and subject are now one. There’s a hook that this will continue in the future to some extent. End caption.

And I say this without a hint of irony as the captions I made that followed this formula (such as [ALSO REDACTED FOR HIS ANONYMITY]) were far and away my most successful, whereas anything else was either damned by faint praise or ignored outright.

With this, I believe caption communities have a general problem not unlike punk communities; you are to be yourself, just like everyone else. Every captioner has a unique brand of writing, a flavor of fetishes and favors that are blended into their editing style to produce works that only they can make, not unlike how an artist or author refines their craft to give glimpses into a world only they know of – a message in a bottle from the island of the creator to the wanting eyes and hands of the consumer. But I really want you to go out and look for some captions; threads on 4chan, subreddits, and Discord communities. You look there, and you tell me what’s the most successful; it’s very, very consistently the same thing, the same formula, and it doesn’t matter where you go.

I have seen blithering captioners who could not make it through a community college creative writing course, with no concept of text design, formatting, color choice or even a grasp on their own language, become wildly successful for their willingness to crank out illegible, eye searing slop. I have seen captioners spend literal weeks pruning and preening their work only to have it kicked aside and posted over by something that’s more in-line with expectations. And it happens all the time; captioners might want something new or even be aware this is happening, but the anonymous consumers only want the same thing spoon fed to them over and over nonstop. The names change, the themes might weave here or there, but the community remains the same.

[ommitting a section on concerns about copyrighted material here]

The twenty captions in this collection are products of what I would say added up to hundreds of hours of work. What you’re looking at is a set of images I devoted years to making. But I have nothing to show for it. I can’t walk up to my parents and show them a picture of a snake’s ass with some teasing text to the side and have them be proud. I can’t attach them to a portfolio as a memoir of my image editing skills, nor can I include it as part of a writing portfolio to sell my skills. And, in good faith, I can’t exactly claim them as “mine”; that would be to discount the work of the artist who made the original art. All I can do is lock them away and move on.

I shouldn’t have made them. And you shouldn’t either.

Don’t bother with writing captions; write stories, write comics, write limericks and epics. Write for the people you care about. Write something you can be truly proud of. Hell, write something you can sell. Something you can provide in good faith that it is yours, that it has always been yours. Write something for you.

Just don’t ever write a caption.

I'm a big fan of this guy as a person.
Despite what you may suspect, he is actually unironically not me.

Women are not sexless angel beings, but by the numbers you're going to get a lot more takers if you bait your lady-trap with emotions and community than raw full frontal. It's still erotic target inversion, but feels-first.
One of the more eye-opening experiences for me was finding out that with women, there's usually more going on under the hood emotionally that you're exploiting as a man when you do your degen stuff with them. You don't figure this out until after you've made the mistake of thinking that they work the same way. All of it is bad, but with women it's tampering with something screwy on the inside; you don't really understand or have a way to gauge the harm you're doing.

A lot of the second group, being callow youths betrayed by the culture they steep in, can only think to intensify a friendship by adding fucking--and when they look to see if other people share their feelings, they get the sex part reinforced.
There needs to be a non-twisted artistic expression of this to consume. The closest I can think of is that sigma-little-dark-age-chud edits are the flip side of sissy-furry-gooner-captions.

Edit: obviously it's shounen anime. Can't believe I forgot
 
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Enjoy this collaged pooner.
I've never collaged before (please no booly) but thought it might be a fun new craft to try. She's made with an old quilting magazine and an even older metro map book. I think I'll keep going with this hobby, but definitely need better scissors and tweezers. One of her nips is forever embedded in the glue stick.
Cartoon pooners are my favorite and I'm not ashamed I used my time in this manner.
Spoilered because she's airing out her phallo.
This is straight out of an Eric Carle (of 'The Very Hungry Caterpillar' fame) book dood, very masc
 
I have never seen the words "blorbo" or "mun" before in my life.
I think that if you want to understand more about young, very-online women, especially the kind who fall into poonery via RP and fanfiction, fandom Tumblr is an easy place to study them. Not all pooners are on Tumblr and vice versa, but if you were studying gazelles you'd set up your observation blind by a watering hole.

There are a few subreddits with "best of" Tumblr screenshots, discussed by the community, that would make it even easier. Strange Aeons on YouTube is pozzed on troons, but very in-depth and listenable on Tumblr (fandom) history.

This is straight out of an Eric Carle (of 'The Very Hungry Caterpillar' fame) book dood, very masc
The Very Dysphoric Pooner, and every page she does something else to her appearance.
 
I think that if you want to understand more about young, very-online women, especially the kind who fall into poonery via RP and fanfiction, fandom Tumblr is an easy place to study them. Not all pooners are on Tumblr and vice versa, but if you were studying gazelles you'd set up your observation blind by a watering hole.
If you want to wade into a very niche corner of the interwebs you can take a look at "fail_fandomanon" on DW and go looking for the personal posts section. A lot of the PP are about poonery. And since it's a very small, niche corner they can talk about some crazy shit. I came across someone straight up admitting they were NB for no other reason than to be NB and that, yes, queer is a political thing outright. Though I haven't checked there in a while.
 
Enjoy this collaged pooner.
I've never collaged before (please no booly) but thought it might be a fun new craft to try. She's made with an old quilting magazine and an even older metro map book. I think I'll keep going with this hobby, but definitely need better scissors and tweezers. One of her nips is forever embedded in the glue stick.
Cartoon pooners are my favorite and I'm not ashamed I used my time in this manner.
Spoilered because she's airing out her phallo.
Outstanding. Great details. I’d love to see that made into an animated short.

Pro tip- get an Exacto blade and one of those cutting mats for easier cutting. Place your sketch or photo on top of your patterned paper, staple a few spots to hold them tightly together and cut through both layers to get your desired shapes.
 
Johanna Olson-Kennedy, for one. She's a doctor of troonery of some kind and recommends tit chops for 12 year olds and has said exactly that. "If you want boobs later, you can go and get them". Silicone implant fake ones, and presumably she'll sell them too.
This is the doctor who operated on (mutilated) her own pooner husband.
which is some Stephen King shit in my opinion.

S/he's also in the transing-kids business, like the wife:

Dr. Aydin Olson-Kennedy

Clinical Social Work/Therapist, DSW, LCSW (he, him)​

Johanna and Aydin :
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The Very Dysphoric Pooner, and every page she does something else to her appearance.
Finishing as the very gangrene caterpiller, the full body rotdog.

Mun = mundane, as in you're the boring human writing as the special fictional character e.g. a muggle pretending to be harry potter for an RPG. It really does encourage you to feel inferior and make the idea of becoming the character very appealing.

Blorbo has maternal instinct involved, the character is an object of attraction or aesthetic appeal to you but also you want to mother it. I think it's why you get insane stan fandoms of mostly women and not men, even though lots of neets have the same waifu.

I don't think that Tolkein intended for Sam and Frodo to be gay, but I think historically gay men projected Siegfried Sassoon and Wilfred Owen (irl WW1 gay poets doomed relationship) onto them to have more content to vicariously live through, essentially the same dynamic as fandom and who do this all the time in replacing canon character personalities or recontextualising, and the fact that it's got a history / historical precedent makes it extra valid for many tumblr users. I still wouldn't say it's a popular ship as much as it's a prestige ship.
 
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