Elliot Page / Ellen Page - Former actress, starred in Juno. Turned into a pooner and divorced her wife because being a lesbian was not boosting her career anymore. Receives a daily dose of asspatting from Hollywood. Likes to show off her "male" body using fake abdominals.

[Procrastinhater]

evidently it was a traumatic time of cognitive dissonance at her already identifying her soul inflexibly with her masculine pre-pubescent identity*; asserting she already knew/

Yeah I think she's trying to ret-con her life, I don't believe for a minute she thought she was a dood at the time she's writing about, she showed no sign of any Pooner inclinations until it became politically and socially beneficial (or so she thought) for her to do so.
Pressing a big ol' X to doubt she was fucking gender conflicted at 8 or 10 years old.
She's ret-conning her past to make her fucking Pooner LARP seem "valid" but I don't buy it.

Sorry, my english is kind of terrible and sometimes I don't know where to put the correct pronouns. I'll be correcting this.

Your English is fine and thanks for continuing to cover Ellen's Manifesto. Its a fascinating look into the psychology of a completely neurotic and insane woman but I couldn't bring myself to sit and read the thing myself, so your review of it is extremely well appreciated.

 

[Paper Machete]

Even that IMBD review said she was "showing off her boy bod". Even their ass kissers take up the obsession with opposite sex youth. It's creepy as all fuck. I really think they're trying to reclaim their own youth by appropriating the idea of the opposite sex's teenagerhood. And or the way AGPs turn their attraction to the opposite sex in on themselves, they're turning their attraction for the teenaged/very young of the opposite sex in on themselves. Which is a horrifying thought. A woman at her age should see boys/young men as basically toddlers and completely incomprehensible to relate to in terms of their though process and tastes in whatever is current for them.

 

[Cactus Concerto]

So much about the way the "Speedo" chapter is written disturbs me.

She didn't want to be separated from her soccer friends, then lost them all and likely became something of a social outcast because she was a tomboy down to the bone. From the way she's written about her mother and how much he's around for her in this chapter, I'm inclined to believe she was closer to her father growing up. That paired with the poor relationship she had with her mother, puberty was likely a tumultuous period. Up until this point it seems the only positive figures she has in her life were men. Or at least that's how she remembers it.

This is a massive red flag (not having a female figure to lean on or have for support, understanding, and teachings during this time in a girl's life can be disastrous, I'm sure) but a sympathetic one. Then it gets worse.

If she's started to grow breasts, being offered nothing but a speedo is disgusting. One would assume a parent might encourage the child to swim in her trousers and shirt so she isn't left out, and then borrow their sons clothes rather than their undergarments. Maybe borrow a pair of shorts instead for the pool and then another for the trip home. What in the ever-loving fuck. Perhaps the boys didn't know better but Tim's father absolutely did.

Her issues with bathing suits seems to boil down to hating the tight fit, which isn't an issue if you jump into the water with a shirt on, and I can only assume it's about comfort and not the psychological knowledge that her shape is on display because she doesn't complain about being seen. In fact, she wants to show more: she hates hiding her stomach. What she wants is a bikini top and a pair of swim trunks, not her breasts lobbed off.

The story about the gay speedo uncle seems made up or heavily embellished, if only because I don't want to believe a grown man cut a child's day at an amusement park short because some teenagers called him what he was.

Her salacious descriptions of literal children in this chapter and her complete lack of understanding of borderlines in terms of that speedo and backyard bullshit has me feeling sick. And then, to describe her own uncle in such a light when she was a child at the time that memory formed? What the fuck. What the actual fuck.

That fuck faced father and the uncle are giving me the ick. I have to wonder if they had inappropriate relations with her that she doesn't want to register as bad experiences because she seemed to trust them both. No one writes about a paternal figure in this way.

 

[Marc]

I think Ellen's habits when writing "non-fiction" align closer to Anna Clossin's than reality. That guy likely has no memory of offering little Tater Tits a men's speedo to wear - but may remember repeatedly asking one of Ellen's parents if she was autistic or had been seen doing anything inappropriate with dogs.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

If she's started to grow breasts, being offered nothing but a speedo is disgusting. One would assume a parent might encourage the child to swim in her trousers and shirt so she isn't left out, and then borrow their sons clothes rather than their undergarments. Maybe borrow a pair of shorts instead for the pool and then another for the trip home. What in the ever-loving fuck. Perhaps the boys didn't know better but Tim's father absolutely did.

im hazy on the timeline but that part was off putting. like swimming shirtless with her male friends is weird if she was old enough to have started growing boobs. and not having a shirt is even more baffling as it wasnt even a pool, if was one of those kiddie wading pool things, so no actual swimming. maybe her friend's dad was a bit of a pedo and wanted to see her shirtless, that or he was very naive and a bit retarded.

The story about the gay speedo uncle seems made up or heavily embellished, if only because I don't want to believe a grown man cut a child's day at an amusement park short because some teenagers called him what he was.

i can see that. there are some very fragile adults out there, especially the special snowflake leftist kind like for example a gay uncle in a speedo. i can totally see him getting upset and leaving because his lifestyle isnt affirmed by a group of teens.

Yeah I think she's trying to ret-con her life, I don't believe for a minute ahe thought she was a dood at the time she's writing about, she showed no sign of any Pooner inclinations until it became politically and socially beneficial (or so she thought) for her to do so.

i hate when trannies lie and try to say they always knew they were trans even though they only show any signs of trooning once it became politically popular. yep sure tranny, at 5 you were totally sure how much of a tranny you are and werent just a dumb kid playing with toys. TTD.

 

[Procrastinhater]

If she's started to grow breasts, being offered nothing but a speedo is disgusting.

Yeah it sounded sus as fuck but I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt and say she had a t shirt too.
I just can't picture anyone have a young girl swimming in just a pair of fucking speedos, especially not one whose like 10 years old its fucking weird.
I'm gonna hope thats what she meant and she just didn't mention it. A lot of parents get their kids to swim in t shirts to protect them from the sun.

For that matter who the fuck wears speedos lol?
Especially kids. Those fucking ball hugger Speedos are something I associate with sleazy (possibly underworld connected) Russians with Kremlin tattoos at the swimming pool or the beach, or old men with pot bellies hanging over them waddling to the bar for another Pina Colada.
Most younger people even when I was a kid wore shorts.

 

[Candidate No 7]

i hate when trannies lie and try to say they always knew they were trans even though they only show any signs of trooning once it became politically popular. yep sure tranny, at 5 you were totally sure how much of a tranny you are and werent just a dumb kid playing with toys. TTD.

As I was posting earlier today in another thread...

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

Chapter 17, "Crash".

(Sorry. Not really.)

This one is a doozy folks. In this chapter, we go more and more deep with Ellen and her insane daddy issues and how she became more separated from his father than ever before. This chapter marks another point where what little remained of Ellen's sanity went just down the toilet, and almost caused a stupid accident because of it.

First in the chapter, we have adult Ellen, this time being 25 years old. Trying to reunite the courage to finally confront the devil spawn herself, Linda. And she admits in this part that she did not have to had a good relationship with her.

But of course, she couldn't get all in with his distaste with Linda, only getting the words in her mouth and not saying anything else. Then she remembers the occasion of someone coming to visit her in Los Angeles, she already started having a crisis episode, thinking that it was Linda and to torment her.

But to her surprise, the one that has come to visit her was her own dad. And she quickly organized everything to make the little reunion feel as comfy as possible.

She mentions the time before her father announced that he was coming to visit her. Apparently he wanted to talk about some trips during her childhood. Possibly something to do with Linda and their animosity and how they grew a bitter relationship to one another, Ellen assumed that her father finally saw his flaws and possibly talking a way to apologize to her of how he really didn't stepped in when Linda confronted her every time.

After a day or two of her father visiting her home. They had a chance to talk at the parking lot of a supermarket. The father couldn't have chosen a worse time to talk about this.

So, did the father apologized to her for acting like he was feeding a rivalry between her and Linda? Of course not. He basically told her that even though he felt very bad for divorcing her mother and leaving her when she was little, he was ultimately glad that it happened, because if he didn't do it. He would've never met someone as Linda, which makes him very happy and beloved.

Of course, this confession was a breaking point for Ellen. She did not expected this and she didn't want to hear any of this, a silent mental breakdown would follow through, a horrible buckbreaking experience would follow her for the rest of the night.

And it appears at that moment she had another flashback, we go to a moment when she was having a photoshoot, she was modeling with a famous photographer in her words... and it wasn't going so well. She wore a dress, but it appears that this time she was at a low energy to bitch about it.

Apparently she was shutdown to show any kind of emotions of words, she was full of stress and anxiety. And that was enough to make the photographer mad at her for being so quiet, to the point that she actually kicked the chair she was in and caused her to have a panic attack.

Then, we go back to Ellen and her father, Ellen still trying to process what was happening and couldn't do it, it was all so sudden, she couldn't handle it anymore and then she dumped her father on the streets, with the excuse that she needed to see her therapist. And it was a bad idea that she was driving. You can probably see where this is going.

We then see how she was having a fullblown panic attack, that she couldn't even be focused on the road. Which is probably the worst thing someone should be doing when having a panic attack.

And after going through her coffee to relax herself a little, it finally happened. She slightly bumped her car with another one, yeah, you would thought by the title that it could be a dramatic crash with her barely surviving, but no, she only bumped a car and destroy one of the lights at best. This didn't do any favors to her.

After the horrible experience, she had to call her therapist, she needed to hear the voice of someone else. Fortunately, her therapist managed to calm her down. She then ended in the therapist couch.

The therapist tried to tell her if she could bring her father to the next session, Ellen obviously and directly denied any involvement from the father. Also, what the fuck is that analogy at the end?

We end the chapter with Ellen having a reflection on how that situation basically traumatized her and shut down most of her feelings and her desires to speak up about her problems, her feeling were "locked". And feeling that she would never get an explanation for anything that happened in her life.

 

[MetalParakeet]

I've never read such feminine, fluffed up writing. Even my grandmothers "romance novels" written by middle aged horny housewives appear masculine next to this shit.

Ellen, not everything needs a cutesy descriptor. Not every mundane thing has to be discussed as if it created some emotional, life long memory. You dont need to add in pointless details (by writing them like this).

This is written as some narcissistic bpd who not only acts like seeing a string dangling from some used speedos was a monumentally important moment, but has the ego to use certain language only in an attempt to persuade others that they're akshully super creative and intelligent

 

[PetiteFeet]

That was my first thought as well, it just felt so weird reading how Ellen describes the body of a man when she was like 8, and also didn't feel at all right when she was describing as a minor being with the chest exposed, it was really disturbing reading all of this.

This is what Ellen was like when she was writing this part of the book.

aside from the meme, I genuinely believe Ellen first dyking out and then pooning out is your classical "I was raped, this is how I cope by turning myself into something men can't desire". Many such cases.
If she is into women, she's bisexual. But she is very much not a strict dyke and I'm beginning to believe she's been double agent'ing her beards - the "for the camera" relationship with Alexander Skarsgård that has previously been discussed in this thread, I'm fairly sure someone actually mentioned him being her beard but maybe, and forgive me for tinfoil hatting, maybe she used Mr. Skarsgård as a beard but also has had genuine feelings for men except her history of rape (if Pageboy is to be believed) also traumatized her without seeking proper therapy for it, causing her eventual spiral that ends in pooning out.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

I can't remember which girlfriend Ryan is, but none of these are long relationships and she doesn't mention co-habiting with anyone except her ex-wife, so I have questions about why she decorates her own back garden around who she's currently dating. it just makes her sound like a jigsaw puzzle of people she's dated. Also if you have a private pool, can't you just be topless in your own private pool? don't americans have huge backyards?

I also got bisexual vibes from the description of Kyle - pubescent girls often start off with non-threatening boys/crushes and you can't get more non-threatening and non-reciprocal than a gay man.

I'm still on, parents who sign their kid up to be a child actor in hollywood, particularly when they don't even go with them and supervise, are bad parents and Ellen has a right to feel negatively about them though. There are no good parents of child actors.

I've attached some pictures of ex-wife Emma Portner in character as the man in the moon / mr melancholy. She also plays the henchmen who move by dancing, which she choreographed. There's meant to be a meta aspect to the plot where the villain is the one that trapped the main character in a male / 'wrong' body, I still have questions about why Portner took the role. Maybe just because of the dancing.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

What is that thing.

Tell me you're too young to remember 2002 without telling me.

Count yourself lucky, for this one.

 

[pink cigarettes]

"Small speedos slick and tight" glistening in the sun...yeah definitely what's on most lesbians' minds.

She isn't only retconning that she's always had gender feels, she's also retconning that she's always been a "faggot." Ellen will definitely date some weird degenerate pooner chaser eventually and call it a "gay relationship."
Honestly I think she's read too much homo lit and is trying to reference gay male "coming of age" "sexual awakening" books/films/smut, but it's just coming off as awkward pedo evidence (because that's mostly what that stuff actually is)

 

[Counterfeit Obol]

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[FinnSven]

She isn't only retconning that she's always had gender feels, she's also retconning that she's always been a "faggot." Ellen will definitely date some weird degenerate pooner chaser eventually and call it a "gay relationship."
Honestly I think she's read too much homo lit and is trying to reference gay male "coming of age" "sexual awakening" books/films/smut, but it's just coming off as awkward pedo evidence (because that's mostly what that stuff actually is)

People burble on and on about the Simpsons predicting shit and semi seriously claim Matt Groening is a time traveler, Futurama being autobiographical.

However I think if any makers of adult cartoons are secret time travelers, it’s Matt and Tray of South Park.
Mr Garrison has literally been a reliable predictor of gender politics and the US government of recent years.

Maybe their Episode about time travelers returning to the past and making the present shittier was their far to subtle attempt at telling the general public?

 

[Dromedary]

she was modeling with a famous photographer in her words.

She says that the female photographer who kind of hassled her was world-famous, so I'll say Ellen Von Unwerth. Kicking Page's chair and bossing her seems like a Germanic dykey move, lol. I found a 2009 pic of Page by Ellen Von Unwerth but it doesn't sound like what Page describes, but Page is highly unreliable.

 

[Det. Frank Washington Esq]

Even that IMBD review said she was "showing off her boy bod". Even their ass kissers take up the obsession with opposite sex youth. It's creepy as all fuck. I really think they're trying to reclaim their own youth by appropriating the idea of the opposite sex's teenagerhood. And or the way AGPs turn their attraction to the opposite sex in on themselves, they're turning their attraction for the teenaged/very young of the opposite sex in on themselves. Which is a horrifying thought. A woman at her age should see boys/young men as basically toddlers and completely incomprehensible to relate to in terms of their though process and tastes in whatever is current for them.

Pooners like Ellen are essentially the 2.0 version of this meme.

 

[FinnSven]

Pooners like Ellen are essentially the 2.0 version of this meme.

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“Hello Fellow manly doods. How about our dicks eh? Let’s fart, drink beer and barbecue while watching sportsball”.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

She says that the female photographer who kind of hassled her was world-famous, so I'll say Ellen Von Unwerth. Kicking Page's chair and bossing her seems like a Germanic dykey move, lol. I found a 2009 pic of Page by Ellen Von Unwerth but it doesn't sound like what Page describes, but Page is highly unreliable.
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well i managed to find a photo she did for io donna magazine where she has what looks like a tight blue dress and sad vacant eyes. not sure if this is what she was referring to, but it does match, i think.

 

[one_time_user]

If I described something as 'small, slick and tight' what would you think we were discussing?