Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Martys_not_smarty]

If you could bring one discontinued firearm back into production what would it be? Mine would be the HK P7M13.

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The Ruger .44 carbine, a tube fed semi auto carbine in .44 magnum.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I met a guy through work that is an FFL and he’s supposedly selling “NVGs and thermals”.

1.) is there any reason to own NVGs or thermals if you’re just a retard who goes to the range to shoot paper or to the desert to shoot steel? If you don’t go hunting in low light conditions, is it basically another “gucci” item to buy to flex on the poorfags?
2.) how legitimate of a proposition does that sound like? I remember reading somewhere on here that high quality NVGs aren’t cheap and the technology for Made in USA ones are proprietary secret squirrel shit.

Guy said he supposedly “has a buddy” that works for a manufacturer in the state that he moved here from. It could all be bullshit but I know there’s posters ITT far more knowledgeable than me about that stuff.

I don't want to read this text block what do I do?
1)If he won't let you look right through the lens there's something wrong with the lens he doesn't want you to know, walk away.
2) Proper sellers will have a diagram showing blemishes in the lens and where they are
3) Digital isn't viable helmet mounted
4) The tube is the most important thing since diff gens may not be compatible. Also since tube have a limited lifespan and degredation is exponential
5) Autogating is nessisary if you expect strong lights. That will damage your tube.
6) Tube quality is USA>China(You aren't getting a hold of Chinese ones, very low production)>France>Russia (???? idk)
7)Active lighting is basically a giantantic "SHOOT ME" to anyone with NV as well (See, the large ass square box on the Japanese Type 74).


A) In a SHTF situation the guy with NVG is 9/10 going fuck up folks without thermals or NVGs at night. See combat footage in Iraq/Syria of the guy with a sniper and thermals/night sights just ramboing entire platoons.
B) Key tech is the photo-cathode that "amplifies" light. That thing is heavily restricted because it's a bunch of material science state secrets. Too much light will damage the tube by pushing the electrons past where they can return to zero.
C) Depends on generation of NVG and type.
There are a few types:
1) Light amplification (passive) - First gen, needs moonlight, bulky as fuck
1a) Active amplification has an infared (usually) or low intensity light shine around you.
2) Out of Band near IR - Heavily restricted, great for defensive duty/counter sniper (Very little reflection in other NVG)
3) Digital - power intesinve and feedback delay, cheap and heavy as fuck.
4) Thermal - Mainly firefighting use, GL getting a high res one. Higher ones heavily restricted
5) Fusion - Thermal + image amp. If you find high quality in the civilian world expect FBI to knock your door. Chinese ones better than the US ones in certain aspects.f

Basically how night vision works, it's a like a binnocular but with a plated photocathode (think like a battery) that excites/calms extra electrons, thus amplifying the amount of light to human light levels.
Gen 1 is passive amplification - Bulky and limited FOV, blinded by flashes and poor detail near the edges
Gen 2 - Is basically gen 1 but better with a few internal changes, lighter
Gen 3 - Has some low level material science changes, increased"halos" but improves battery life, cleared focus around the edges. Major FOV increase
Gen 3+ is basically 1990-present day gear. Has a thing called "autogating" (Think PWM for the photo cathode, increases lifespan and reduces chance of random failure from flashes).

Gen 3 and later: filmless>thin film> thick film but also more expensive. White phosporus > Green phosphorus.
If you legally aquire current cutting edge tubes.... I think only the US can make some in excess of 40k hours expect to be on several watchlists.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

I have a pvs 14 and never use it. The biggest problem ive run into is finding ranges that will let you shoot at night. I have one close by that lets me, but only once a month, because the owner wants to be there. Also i can't do anything besides sit/stand at the firing line. No moving or anything. And IR lasers/illuminators make my gun heavy af so i took them off.

Honestly its cool to have and walk around with in the woods, but if i could redo it, i would have rather gotten proffesional training and much more ammo.

Ammo prices seem to just get more and more expensive these days. I'm stocking now while i can. Perhaps in 4 years we'll look back on 40cpr brass reman 223 as "the good times". I mean just look at this """"""""deal"""""""" of 50cpr steel case 762x39.View attachment 6322417

I just ordered 1000 rounds of M193, and 1000 of 9mm 124gr.

I miss the good old days of 20 some cents per round M855.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

If you could bring one discontinued firearm back into production what would it be? Mine would be the HK P7M13.

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Be pretty sick to have a Magpul PDR

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

Be pretty sick to have a Magpul PDR
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slap yellow and red on that and it could be a gun form borderlands

 

[The Dude]

If you could bring one discontinued firearm back into production what would it be? Mine would be the HK P7M13.

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I'm having a difficult time narrowing it down to just one, so I'm going to say the FG-42 Type 2, the STG-57, the Colt Monitor/R-75/R-80, the Winchester Model 71, the Mauser C96, and the Mauser 06/08. Actually, that last one was only ever a prototype, but I would love for a production model along with the 9mm ammo designed for it.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I'm having a difficult time narrowing it down to just one, so I'm going to say the FG-42 Type 2, the STG-57, the Colt Monitor/R-75/R-80, the Winchester Model 71, the Mauser C96, and the Mauser 06/08. Actually, that last one was only ever a prototype, but I would love for a production model along with the 9mm ammo designed for it.

STG-57s can be commonly found in Switzerland and europe I think. Not so much the US

 

[The Dude]

STG-57s can be commonly found in Switzerland and europe I think. Not so much the US

Being a US citizen, that doesn't exactly help me. LOL

But I'd love to see any of the guns I mentioned being made brand new again, but only if they would be built to the same standard (or better) as the original models. No cost cutting bull like using MIM/investment casting for parts that were originally machined and things like that.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Being a US citizen, that doesn't exactly help me. LOL

But I'd love to see any of the guns I mentioned being made brand new again, but only if they would be built to the same standard (or better) as the original models. No cost cutting bull like using MIM/investment casting for parts that were originally machined and things like that.

I've seen parts kits for the 57. Good luck making a reciever. I've also seen a rebarreled 57 from parts into 7.62x51 as the SG 510-4 configuration and it shoots beautifully but not as well without GP11. There would be a pretty good market if someone could make one in 7.62x39 or 6.5 Creedmore much like DSA makes FALs.

 

[Club Sandwich]

No cost cutting bull like using MIM/investment casting for parts that were originally machined and things like that.

MIM, investment casting, forging (since you finish machine pretty much all the parts), and billet, are all technologies that have their place. one is not inherently better than the other - it depends on the work piece and intended function as well as execution. not understanding this often results in poor performance and unhappy customers, not to mention is somewhat stagnating for machined products. we've migrated away from body on frame vehicle designs for typical commuter passenger vehicles for a good reason.

 

[The Dude]

MIM, investment casting, forging (since you finish machine pretty much all the parts), and billet, are all technologies that have their place. one is not inherently better than the other - it depends on the work piece and intended function as well as execution. not understanding this often results in poor performance and unhappy customers, not to mention is somewhat stagnating for machined products. we've migrated away from body on frame vehicle designs for typical commuter passenger vehicles for a good reason.

I agree for the most part. My feeling is that with firearms that were designed and made in the first half of the 20th century, such as the M1918 Browning/Colt Monitor or Mauser 06/08, if you're going to make them again then they need to be authentic. A big part of the reason I have an interest in those guns is because of the genius that went into their designs. It was often one man with a workshop, some tools, some drafting paper and pencil, and his brain all trying to bring this idea he had to life. I feel like not being authentic with making a gun like that would be like taking a vintage Corvette or Shelby Mustang and then dropping a turbocharged Honda Civic engine in it. Its like sacrilegious.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I agree for the most part. My feeling is that with firearms that were designed and made in the first half of the 20th century, such as the M1918 Browning/Colt Monitor or Mauser 06/08, if you're going to make them again then they need to be authentic. A big part of the reason I have an interest in those guns is because of the genius that went into their designs. It was often one man with a workshop, some tools, some drafting paper and pencil, and his brain all trying to bring this idea he had to life. I feel like not being authentic with making a gun like that would be like taking a vintage Corvette or Shelby Mustang and then dropping a turbocharged Honda Civic engine in it. Its like sacrilegious.

Go the turboautist route and take a month off of work to reproduce the 06/08 yourself.

 

[Foley]

STG-57s can be commonly found in Switzerland and europe I think. Not so much the US

Prices for a good conditioned Stgw. 57 start from 450 bucks over there. And some beaters with shot out barrels but still functioning, around 250 dollars. And this was just from one website I looked into, so maybe it's less than that. But that's a ballpark.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Prices for a good conditioned Stgw. 57 start from 450 bucks over there. And some beaters with shot out barrels but still functioning, around 250 dollars. And this was just from one website I looked into, so maybe it's less than that. But that's a ballpark.

Over a $1000 here. Oh I'd love to import the beat to shit ones.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Oh I'd love to import the beat to shit ones.

BATFE form 6 and work out an arrangement with an importer state-side and an exporter for the firearm. it would either have to be a parts kit, demilitarized, or rebuilt into a sporting configuration prior to import. there are also various fees associated with personal import of firearms, sometimes at a state level as well since the form 6 will not be approved if the configuration is not legal in your state of residence, regardless of where the importer is located.

 

[The Dude]

Go the turboautist route and take a month off of work to reproduce the 06/08 yourself.

I have neither the skill nor the tools and machinery to be able to do something like that. And buying one of the 100 or so pre-production samples that are out there would be as much two Ducati Diavel V4s.

 

[J50 Hamwich]

If you could bring one discontinued firearm back into production what would it be? Mine would be the HK P7M13.

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MP-412 REX. I just want me a modern top break six shooter.

 

[Dean Pentel]

If you could bring one discontinued firearm back into production what would it be? Mine would be the HK P7M13.

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I don't understand the appeal of that pistol. I've never owned one, only finger-fucked/fired ones owned by others (and only the M. I'm not implying insult or anything, I simply can't wrap my mind around why a decent amount of people like that pistol.

For me, I wish CZ had continued producing and even updated the 550 line of rifles. Put Pic rail sections on the receiver instead of those stupid fucking dovetails, invest in new or updated tooling for production, use a better finish for the barrels.

Another would be the Marlin Golden 39A. I've heard they're still in production but it sure doesn't seem that way.

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Never thought I'd own a quad rail upper. The other carry handle upper I had need to be returned for RMA stuff so I took this one to replace it. I think I'll mount a flashlight on it and consider it my truck rifle for road trips.

 

[Taser Confetti]

I don't understand the appeal of that pistol. I've never owned one, only finger-fucked/fired ones owned by others (and only the M. I'm not implying insult or anything, I simply can't wrap my mind around why a decent amount of people like that pistol.

It's aesthetic as fuck is one of the few unique designs in the handgun world.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

Anyone here ever run a full auto pistol? I've gotten a tiny bit of trigger time on submachine guns, so I better understand why some groups run those. But a full auto pistol like the Glock 18 I can't see the utility of, that's why I'm asking you all.

Closest I have come was a tokarev running away on me. Its rather useless in my opinion though, unless you are within like 5yds.