Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Pocket Dragoon]

Ever hear about the CIA's "Heart Attack Gun"?

In a highly publicized hearing, CIA Director William Colby himself was called to testify before the committee. He brought with him the heart attack gun itself, allowing committee members to handle the weapon as they queried him about its development, nature, and use. What became of the gun after its single public viewing is unknown.

Furthermore, whether the weapon was ever used is also unknown. The toxin may have been put to further use as a suicide pill for American operatives or as a powerful sedative and was set aside for one operation, but as Colby claimed, “we are aware that that operation was not in fact completed.”

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[BikeLock]

Look at this retard defending ruining a trigger because he's got butterfingers.

Suffer series 80 fag, suffer.

80 series trigger is fine.

Enjoy your ND, fag.

 

[Preacher ✝]

80 series trigger is fine.

Enjoy your ND, fag.

Tell me you have low dexterity without telling me you have low dexterity. If you can't feel the difference between a series 80 trigger and a good trigger you're either stupid or lying. It's mushy and terrible, ruins the crisp break a 1911 should have.

The series 70, titanium pin, stronger spring, combo has passed drop tests in excess of 12ft. Where the fuck are you dropping your guns from that you're worried about an ND?

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

It's literally three parts you dumb nigger. Plunger, plunger spring, and actuator.

Pretty much the standard FPS setup found on any proper carry gun (Which excludes every single 1911 that lacks one, lul).

The 1911 is the original "drop and pop" gun.

Edit:

Pro Tip: A stronger spring and titanium does NOT make the 1911 drop safe, it only increases the height from which you can drop it. 1911's dropped on their muzzel go bang without a firing pin safety, no hammer drop required.

It’s gonna be interesting to see how many incidents will result from all the agencys adopting Staccatos, which are not drop safe.

 

[EggImpregnator]

What I'm getting at EggImpregnator is that it's the same way you like 9mm in your glocks. It has pros and cons. 9mm, solid round. Has less energy than 45, 40, or 10mm. At the same time less recoil, more ammo per mag, and generally more accurate and faster firing than bigger rounds.

I already made a reply to this exact argument 10 posts before you wrote yours. On the same page you posted yours.

Post in thread 'Mega Rad Gun Thread' https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mega-rad-gun-thread.550/post-19159195

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

Because there is actually subsonic 7.62x39 ammunition, can't do that with a high velocity 5.56 or 5.45. How relevant is this? Well, basically every SOF unit in the world still prefers the smaller caliber.

.300 BLK is probably the better cartridge technically, but I was kinda looking at it from 7.62x39 vs 5.56 angle.

my understanding of why 7.62 is better for suppressed guns has to do with bullet weight. going by simple kinetic energy (k= 1/2mv^2) a lightweight 5.56 bullet slowed down to subsonic speeds is going to lose most of its kinetic energy whereas a heavy 7.62 bullet going slow is still going to have a bit of a punch to it. i believe this is the reason given why the russian military, especially their special forces, kept the 47 around well after the 74 was adopted purely because the 7.62 was the better choice for suppressors. (though how the 7.62 compares to the 9x39 i dont know, but im guessing the 9x39 is superior considering that is what they moved to for all their cool suppressed guns.)

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

 

[EggImpregnator]

Sub-sonic suppressed guns are a very niche tool to begin with. There's a very limited set of circumstances in which to employ them.

In a military setting, that is.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

People love to invest their egos into tools, and then argue why their chosen tool is supposedly better.

What really matters is: are your skills and equipment up to the task of your supposed use case.

Skills > Gear.

Tbh for AKs what I’ve seen and had some experience with is the reload being annoying. On matches with mag load restrictions I’ve seen otherwise good shooters really just struggle because of the reload. It’s probably not as negligible if you plan things out well but I’ve seen a few AK shooters take a few seconds longer than necessary because they miscount rounds and get a click.

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

I'm thinking about actually going NFA and getting a can for my Glock but are there any decent 9mm supressors that aren't $800?

 

[BikeLock]

Tell me you have low dexterity without telling me you have low dexterity. If you can't feel the difference between a series 80 trigger and a good trigger you're either stupid or lying. It's mushy and terrible, ruins the crisp break a 1911 should have.

The series 70, titanium pin, stronger spring, combo has passed drop tests in excess of 12ft. Where the fuck are you dropping your guns from that you're worried about an ND?

From the holster when I take a shit, unintentionally of course.

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=534596

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

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Habsburg obliterator.

 

[BikeLock]

It’s gonna be interesting to see how many incidents will result from all the agencys adopting Staccatos, which are not drop safe.

Going to be some hard lessons learned, but Feds aren't people, so fuck'em.

 

[Preacher ✝]

From the holster when I take a shit, unintentionally of course.

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=534596

Second hand anecdotal evidence on The Fudd Line? Lmao.

If that actually happened at best it's further evidence that Nighthawk Customs are bush league chumps.

 

[Dean Pentel]

Tl; dr 7.62x39mm is based and deserves consideration.

Unless you have to run an AK if you want .30 caliber intermediate cartridge performance, the .300 BLK is ballistically superior and given current 7.62 prices, about on par in per-round-costs. Plus you can run it out of an AR, which I say is the ergonomically better platform.

Also update to my pistol search, I decided to go with a CZ Shadow 2 Compact. Roughly the same size as a Hi-Power, grip angle is almost the same, and optic ready. I did have to drop SAO and factory threaded barrel from my list but I since it's a frame safety model I can just use in SA exclusively and I'll pick up a threaded barrel for it. Got an RMR mounted on it so I'll shoot it this weekend.

Out of curiosity, did you ever consider the DWX Compact?

It’s gonna be interesting to see how many incidents will result from all the agencys adopting Staccatos, which are not drop safe.

Is that like a new DEI type thing? Like, "We're focusing on hiring more faggots and niggers so we're going to issue a pistol that nigger faggots are sure to love."

I'm thinking about actually going NFA and getting a can for my Glock but are there any decent 9mm supressors that aren't $800?

I've seen the OCL Lithium 9 online for mid 7s and Andrew makes good stuff. Others may have better recommendations.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Out of curiosity, did you ever consider the DWX Compact?

I did but my issues were it would have been like another $700 and there's absolutely zero word on anyone making threaded barrels for em in the near future. I've read it's nice but I really wanted a pistol I could suppress and while the Shadow 2 compact doesn't come factory threaded, the barrels are out there.

I've seen the OCL Lithium 9 online for mid 7s and Andrew makes good stuff. Others may have better recommendations.

OCL cans are awesome, I want a Lithium for my next. Love the Titanium I picked up for my 22lr Tikka.

Right now my 9mm pistol can is a Rugged Obsidian. I think it's good but I just don't end up using it in the k configuration much so I'd probably skip getting a modular can if I had to do it again.

 

[gagabobo1997]

If new production civilian full auto was legal, something like a sten gun would be super cheap to make. Probably be priced similar to a high point.

imagine the future of inner city gang warfare when you can buy a shitty open bolt SMG for $50

 

[Red Saltire]

The AK is more reliable, doesn't have the world's worst charging handle, doesn't have a stupid useless forward assist button thats more likely to do harm than good, doesn't have a spring in a tube in the stock that you can hear when you fire, and the performance difference between 7.62 and 5.56 is not quite as you described. Yes, 5.56 is lighter and flatter, but lighter isnt always better and at practical combat distances there isnt enough extra flatness to matter. There are also little quality of life things like 7.62 being more pleasant to handle and load than 5.56. In your efforts to paint the AR as the jack of all trades you've betrayed the fact that within its wheelhouse of short to mid range combat (out to 350yds) the AK is outright better, and the AR isn't good enough outside that range to make up for it. Shots beyond 350yds are unlikely unless you're fighting in a war as part of an organized army. Folks like us if we find ourselves in a war or the classic SHTF scenario combat is going to be much much closer than that. Think Guerilla distances.

A 5.56 AK is like a 9mm 1911, heresy, and 5.45 was never good.

damn it's not often I see an anti-opinion that opposes reality this hard. The AK is worse in pretty much every respect. The charging handle is on the wrong side, the magwell is wrong, the mag release is wrong, the trigger is bad, the sight radius is bad, the mainspring travels under a dust cover that cant have any zero'd hardpoints, the fire selector is awkward, the barrel whips like crazy, and 7.62x39 is outdated junk that the russians dont even fuck with anymore. Muh reliabilitah is 60 year old boomer fud lore. This is all evident in the fact that military procurment around the world favors the AR pattern (see the chinese qbz-191) over anything like the AK. In a SHTF scenario do you think you'll be tripping over more 762x39 or 556? Weirdly the only good thing about the AK platform is the 5.45 round you hate lol.

 

[Foley]

the magwell is wrong, the mag release is wrong

The AR magwell and button is fast to use no doubt. It is also one of the few actual drawbacks of the rifle. You can over insert AR mags, and push button releases are prone to freezing when in cold climates. There is a reason that pretty much everyone else did a latch type of release on their guns before STANAG was a thing. And now everyone uses STANAG because... everyone uses it. Not because it's good.

And I'm not really coming at this from an AK angle. Like pick any 5.56 magazine system aside from STANAG, they are better. G36, FAMAS, SIG-550...

But not so much better that it would justify not using STANAG. We are gasping at straws here.

 

[Preacher ✝]

damn it's not often I see an anti-opinion that opposes reality this hard

You're taking this way too seriously, I was leaning into it for fun.

The bottom line is both platforms have strengths and weaknesses, and everyone is subject to their own preference. But that's not a fun answer, that's a boring middle of the road answer. So I had some fun instead, and it's fun to get AR guys riled up.