Mega Rad Gun Thread

[MrShekelstein36]

Hey Clubby, in your experience, who is making excellent .22 LR rounds these days? For plinking or for hunting small game.

Not to just barge in here, but I saw Club's reply and wanted to add, fiocchi has been putting out 22lr ammo and so far I have found it to be excelent in a range of .22lrs, ranging from single shot to full auto. Usually fairly inexpensive at 4 bucks for 50 too. Another decent choice for accuracy though is S&B club ammo. I've found it locally to me for $6 a box. I used it to sight in a buddy's 10/22 then compared it to my 10/22 I sighted in with SK rifle match and was pleasantly surprised that they shot near identical groups (about 1/6th inch larger for the SB at 50yds). As far as ammo to avoid, I am not a fan of aguila (although Club Sandwich seems to have good luck with it), but for sure, avoid the armscorp 22hv. That stuff is both dirty and not consistently loaded. Was playing with some last night and today and was getting a spread on the chrony from 1008 to 1431 from the same squired bingham .22. The ammo is rated at 1250, so that's not good. The other avoid is winchester HV. Had it crack the rim on several cases recently in two different guns. Neither of which have had any issues with other brands of ammo.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

It's literally a spear. That is ancient self defense. If someone breaks in, you go full force and scare the fuck out of them and hopefully make them fuck up.

Yes but we (the US as a whole )are so insulated from firearms usage that politician faggots can rile people up over knives and guns. It's like the bongland bike wheel meme.
I propose every citizen be forced to fire a mag of 5.56 without ear protection full auto suppressed and unsupressed. And then make them fire a 8mm mauser so the recoil bruised their shoulder, while the brass shell casings disorent them while the smell of sulfur and destruction make them sick. Then watch them get PTSD.
Finally, force them to their ass whooped by someone taller and heavier than them. If we don't get rid of gun control at least we'll get height control for all the self-conscious manlets.


Marty Robbins was right, instead of sending blood bags and money to Vietnam Ukraine and Israel maybe we should send those politicians instead.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

Anyone here ever see an old Mauser Geha in person? I picked one up years ago, Its a post WW1 modification of a mauser to fire shotgun shells.

I've heard various things about the safety of using them. Personally I don't trust them, but I have a buddy I shoot trap with who used one a few times. He says if ya use trap/skeet ammo its safe.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Carried one of those for a year in Iraq.

Only reason to get one is if you want a GWOT clone rifle. Theres simply no point in a fixed stock and 20 inch barrel unless its a dmr/sniper rifle. Thing was a huge pita wearing body armor and getting in/out of vehicles.

I mean I've held one, a clone of a A3 (A2 but the handle detaches to show a rail). I liked the fit and weight. And I do plan on having a bayonet for it. Which is a BIG reason for wanting the 20 inch, reach. I don't plan on jumping out of a M113 anytime soon, so I'm good on the vehicle front.

Thats just it. They wanted to save ammo but never actually tried using it to see how utterly pointless it was. It was so horrifically pointless that never once during all my training up to and in Iraq incorporated 3 round burst.

Even just reading about it it seemed so stupid. You can fire a burst with full auto, it's called trigger discipline. Needlessly complicated. Glad they switched back.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

Anyone here ever see an old Mauser Geha in person? I picked one up years ago, Its a post WW1 modification of a mauser to fire shotgun shells.

https://www.guns.com/firearms/shotguns/bolt-action/germany-mauser-geha-12-ga-2-rounds-26-5-barrel-used?p=530367&soldout=1

Not in 12 bore, but old bolt guns rechambered in .410 are fairly common here in the UK, particularly Enfields. For legal reasons they've usually had the magazines fucked with to make them un-removable, and single shot. Wouldn't want one myself, I have martini actions to scratch the "retarded shotgun" itch.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Even just reading about it it seemed so stupid. You can fire a burst with full auto, it's called trigger discipline. Needlessly complicated. Glad they switched back.

This is like complaining about 5.56 bruising your shoulder from recoil for average joe so we should ban everything but 22lr. I had a gun bruise my shoulder once, but I just had major surgery on it 4 months before and it was 8×50mmR Mannlicher.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

and it was 8×50mmR Mannlicher.

I still have nightmares about that round, as well as 8x56RM

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I still have nightmares about that round, as well as 8x56RM

If it wasn't on a bipod, 14.5×114mm would be worse. Supposedly the Soviets and Chinese have used PTRD-41s standing. The closes US equivalent is the Triple Action Thunder (Single shot .50 BMG handgun)

It makes me laugh for folks who complain about 5.56 or 7.62. Do ya even lift?

 

[Taser Confetti]

This is like complaining about 5.56 bruising your shoulder from recoil for average joe so we should ban everything but 22lr. I had a gun bruise my shoulder once, but I just had major surgery on it 4 months before and it was 8×50mmR Mannlicher.

Worst recoil on a rifle I've ever fired was .458 Lott. Friend of mine built it as a graduating project for gunsmith school. I'm man enough to say I never wanna fire a gun like that again.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

If it wasn't on a bipod, 14.5×114mm would be worse.

I feel like that's an unfair comparison as one is an infantry rifle and the other is an anti tank weapon.

 

[wopirish]

I've heard various things about the safety of using them. Personally I don't trust them, but I have a buddy I shoot trap with who used one a few times. He says if ya use trap/skeet ammo its safe.

I ended up getting 12 guage 9/16 inch light loads made for skeet shooting. Didn't want to use 12 g 3/4 inch shells from everything I read before. But its such a unique one I've never seen since.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Did you ever use the A4, any opinions on it?

In boot. Clubby, did you feel a bit sad when you had to turn yours back in?

Theres simply no point in a fixed stock and 20 inch barrel unless its a dmr/sniper rifle. Thing was a huge pita wearing body armor and getting in/out of vehicles.

pretty much used on in basic combat training and a few rare occasions sometimes if my M4 wasn't appropriate (and later i had a fancier CAR-15 11.5" with a suppressor which brought up the OAL to around 15"). i used a SDMR (modified M16) before being issued a mk12 SPR. the A4 to me was a worse SDMR, but inside 800 meters were great for point targets and limited precision work or if you weren't mechanized or air assault. since the Army transitioned to almost all mechanized/motorized after 2006 (?) the 20" just doesn't make a lot of sense outside of a few dudes that need to reach out and touch at 1k+ and you'd have someone with 7.62 handle that anyway or just maneuver closer with support from a .50 or mk 19 or 240 or something. the USMC has a boner for the full length service rifles and they can drill heads with them, so if you're willing to put up with annoyance for movement, they're very capable weapons.

when i was in basic i had an M16A1E1 all up through AIT and could hit 1200 meter pie plates with it 40/40. i didn't mind the grip nub on the A2/A4, but i did prefer the A1 "nubless" grip in the same way i preferred the vinyl-coated aluminum stock on the M4 and XM4 before the fiberlite stock was common, it balanced out the carbine so it wasn't so front heavy.

personally i kinda think an optimized 18" barrel with 1/8.5 twist and rifle gas is where it's at but i can see why we don't use that for reliability's sake in adverse conditions.

A3 (A2 but the handle detaches to show a rail)

iirc in my experience, and A3 was an A2 with an A1's lower slapped on to keep the full-auto function. this was an Navy slap job because they wanted the modernized features of the A2 but not the burst limiter. the detachable carry handle started with the M4A1 and was carried into early A3's and all A4's, but officially an A3 was an A1 lower + A2 upper.

note in the pic that's an A1 lower (squared off front push pin, wholly visible "line" and smaller radius at the rear where the stock is mounted that is beefed up on the A2. the grip will usually also be an A1 grip.

 

[EggImpregnator]

>russia cant even make a modern RPK

Its so joever

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Theres simply no point in a fixed stock and 20 inch barrel unless its a dmr/sniper rifle

if you're willing to put up with annoyance for movement, they're very capable weapons.

Depends on activity but indoors with bayonet mounted keeping it close and tight at high ready/headshot prep I feel more comfortable with it than slicing the pie with a shouldered carbine. I have a past littered with head injuries, however, so do not take my advice.

I've heard various things about the safety of using them. Personally I don't trust them, but I have a buddy I shoot trap with who used one a few times. He says if ya use trap/skeet ammo its safe.

I ended up getting 12 guage 9/16 inch light loads made for skeet shooting. Didn't want to use 12 g 3/4 inch shells from everything I read before. But its such a unique one I've never seen since.

The safety lug on the Mauser bolt is all that remains for locking and, while it was previously meant as an early warning for a loss of headspace in the original design, it's as substantial as the locking surface on a Mossberg 500 bolt. In a vacuum it would be fine but with the constant pressure of fuddlore being thrown around there's the innate worry hanging over you.
If it's any consolation, skeet loads are not exactly low pressure so if it survives that it's fine.

 

[Seafarer]

Is this the first belt-fed 5.45 gun? I can’t think of any others.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

If it's any consolation, skeet loads are not exactly low pressure so if it survives that it's fine.

You aren't wrong. But when compared to #4-6 pheasant shot or high brass 2 3/4 it produces far less pressure. As for the fudd lore. I mean, it probably is, but as those guns get older and more worn. I'm not sure how much I would trust them.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

You aren't wrong. But when compared to #4-6 pheasant shot or high brass 2 3/4 it produces far less pressure. As for the fudd lore. I mean, it probably is, but as those guns get older and more worn. I'm not sure how much I would trust them.

People rechambered German Mausers to dumb, boutique safari calibers and the worst that happens is receiver stretching. You've got the safety lug as well as the bolt release keeping you from becoming the prettiest unicorn so I wouldn't worry too much.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

Oh yeah I remember saying I'd put up some images of my newest requisition but couldn't get it to work on my phone and it felt kinda awkward to say I got Kimber Eclipse during several pages of slap old man yelling at clouds about 1911 makers and price points but yeah got my first kimber and it's in 10mm same as my ronin and it's a purdy lil gun that kimbercoat or whatever the fuck they call it that's also on the Aegis makes it have literally no resistance on the disconnect bump.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Oh yeah I remember saying I'd put up some images of my newest requisition but couldn't get it to work on my phone and it felt kinda awkward to say I got Kimber Eclipse during several pages of slap old man yelling at clouds about 1911 makers and price points but yeah got my first kimber and it's in 10mm same as my ronin and it's a purdy lil gun that kimbercoat or whatever the fuck they call it that's also on the Aegis makes it have literally no resistance on the disconnect bump.

If you like it, fine, I'll spoiler my reaction.

Spoiler

Kimber is overpriced series 80 trash and 10mm is heresy, 1911s should be in 45.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

10mm is heresy

The Coonan .357 wasn't popular enough to make it non-heretical.