Why do we put so much stock into loli/underaged characters as a direct link to being a pedo?

[Equal Rights for Androids]

This is still the funny part to me. Most "anti-loli" signalers don't care how the character actually looks or acts. Flat or small chest? Short? Pedophilia!
If it's a 17 year old anime girl who is completely coded like a mature woman, it's still pedophilia guise!!
The moral panics over Tatsumaki from OPM and Uzaki-chan really just discredited so much of the "anti-loli" crusaders with their completely retarded outrages. Both of those characters were adult women with clearly adult features but the "community" of pearl-clutchers still tried to double down on them being characters made for pedophiles. It was pathetic to witness.

In fact, most of these people would even say you're a pedophile for dating a real-life petite woman. I've actually seen older women post comments like this.

Disingenuous fuckface. There's alot of contention between the ages of 15-18 but there is absolutely no contention of ages 13 or lower, which is where 99% of girls DON'T LOOK LIKE ADULTS NOR HAVE ADULT BODIES. Pedophilia specifically refers to PREPUBESCENT CHILDREN. Sure people also refer to it when we talk about 25 year olds dating 15 year olds but the word pedophile evokes the image of a prepubescent child.

Realistically no normal person (read: not oversensitive crazy people who think 17 dating an 18 year old is pedophilia) will look at Jotaro from JJBA and call you a pedophile for finding him hot. He looks like an adult and has the body of an adult.



Flat chests and being short do not signify a prepubescent child. Any human can look at a body and tell if it's prepubescent or not (unless you're FUCKING RETARDED). Fat distribution on a female prepubescent and postpubescent is obvious, even if she's naturally skinny and has A cups.

Even in anime with lolishit, you can tell that it's not just an artistic styling choice because they draw adult women significantly different in proportion to the 600 year old lolidemon

 

[Feral Postie]

Violent media does not make you violent.
Watching porn of adult characters does not make you a rapist
Watching crude humor does not make you sexist
But if you watch or consume loli you absolutely have to be a pedophile. No questions asked, even asking this question means you're defending pedos.

The issue is the sexual aspect. It's quite simple: in order to get off to something you have to on some level be sexually attracted to it.

If someone were sexually aroused while watching violent media I would be very, very concerned about that individual and would go out of my way to avoid interacting with them.

People who are sexually aroused by violence are very dangerous to animals and people alike. People who are aroused by children pose a serious risk to children.

I don't understand why this is so difficult for some people to grasp, but when someone refuses to it makes me believe they're trying to defend themselves first and foremost.

 

[nachiroux]

Anyone got any correlations? Japan is all about that loli shit but westerners have been fucking way more children than them

 

[Lightsaber Dildo]

Flat chests and being short do not signify a prepubescent child. Any human can look at a body and tell if it's prepubescent or not (unless you're FUCKING RETARDED). Fat distribution on a female prepubescent and postpubescent is obvious, even if she's naturally skinny and has A cups.

This is why nobody can have this conversation, because when you try to explain the difference between a little girl and a developed woman, it comes off like you know a bit too much about little girls and it sounds like you're a creep. It's the pedophilia vs. hebephilia thing, it never helps when you try to explain it, no matter how much sense it might make.

Also I don't know why you started that post as if you were creating a counterargument to me, I agree with everything you posted and nothing I said was in contention with you. I was referring to the rather large crowd of twitterites and redditors who think they're funny for pointing out the "pedophilia" and "creepiness" about someone's waifu being a (strangely well developed) 16 year old high school girl from a 2008 anime; one that particular person likely saw when they were around the same age as the character. Of course, these are the people who are FUCKING RETARDED as you mentioned, but this ignorant attitude is widespread among zoomers in particular.

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

This is why nobody can have this conversation, because when you try to explain the difference between a little girl and a developed woman, it comes off like you know a bit too much about little girls and it sounds like you're a creep. It's the pedophilia vs. hebephilia thing, it never helps when you try to explain it, no matter how much sense it might make.

Also I don't know why you started that post as if you were creating a counterargument to me, I agree with everything you posted and nothing I said was in contention with you. I was referring to the rather large crowd of twitterites and redditors who think they're funny for pointing out the "pedophilia" and "creepiness" about someone's waifu being a (strangely well developed) 16 year old high school girl from a 2008 anime; one that particular person likely saw when they were around the same age as the character. Of course, these are the people who are FUCKING RETARDED as you mentioned, but this ignorant attitude is widespread among zoomers in particular.

I think I had another post quoted in there from earlier in the thread but it got yeeted when I began writing. Wasn't directed at you. My b.

 

[Spud]

Anyone got any correlations? Japan is all about that loli shit but westerners have been fucking way more children than them

Are those stats broken down by racial demographics?

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

some of you are wrong

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Like others have said up above, there just isn't any comparison between a little girl and an adult woman in terms of proportionality. You'd have to be a sick fuck to be into a loli (which was named after Lolita, ie a novel about a little girl that gets raped by a pedophile).

Flat chests and being short do not signify a prepubescent child. Any human can look at a body and tell if it's prepubescent or not (unless you're FUCKING RETARDED). Fat distribution on a female prepubescent and postpubescent is obvious, even if she's naturally skinny and has A cups.

Even in anime with lolishit, you can tell that it's not just an artistic styling choice because they draw adult women significantly different in proportion to the 600 year old lolidemon

To add to this, you can tell even with short women that they're, y'know, women.
I like women about five feet tall, but they still have wide hips. They still have the curviness of a woman. They're shorter but they have the proper proportions. I feel like hips are underrated. People say "tits or ass" but "ass" usually really means hips, unless you're talking about Blacks, who have their own peculiar tastes that I cannot relate to. And of course a lot of your youth today take their cues from rappers and footballers and other such detritus.

This is why nobody can have this conversation, because when you try to explain the difference between a little girl and a developed woman, it comes off like you know a bit too much about little girls and it sounds like you're a creep. It's the pedophilia vs. hebephilia thing, it never helps when you try to explain it, no matter how much sense it might make.

Yeah, and an attempt to talk about what is common sense to normal people (that increasing standards of what's considered a minor are driven by social need, that there's a reason why schoolgirls/cheerleaders are fetishized in normie media even while laws are still enforced) gets shouted down by retarded moral crusaders tilting at windmills.

I will say this though, the older I get the more young adults look like kids to me, and the less drawn I am to them. It came on me really, really fast, too, like I felt like I aged, mentally, thirty years in one. They also start to get annoying.

So for someone to lust after teenage minors is definitely maladaptive. Something is fucked with their head if that's what they prefer. And that's the whole point. Your average self-professed hebephile/pedophile, and I think a lot of those YouTube/Discord "groomer" types (not the trannies and faggots, but the straight ones), are not psychologically the same as pedophiles, but they are predatory in a similar way. It isn't their sense of attraction that's broken but something of their spirit that they see a meat sack to fuck and not a human being, because they have no interest in meeting with their mate as an equal or fulfilling the role society and God has intended them to fulfill.

 

[Dojima's Dragon]

Tbh i like banging cans of red bull

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The whole idea of an age of consent is so odd. "This woman look easily 22 and is trying to ride this 18 year old dude, but she's 17 and 18 in ~2 months. We must wait for this arbitrary measurement or face ultimate judgement". I'm pro age of consent but you gotta admit, time being an identifier of adulthood is silly at times.

That's not even the subject, but it's not silly because it's literally the only easy, consistent, reliable method for a society to use.

He looks like an adult and has the body of an adult.

Yeah, Yamcha was 16 in Dragon Ball but looks the damn same at 50. Nobody worth taking seriously will pretend a chick is sick for being attracted to Yamcha (here's an excuse to post this cool Yamcha gif).

Are those stats broken down by racial demographics?

By political party there'd be a stark difference lol

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

Yeah, Yamcha was 16 in Dragon Ball but looks the damn same at 50. Nobody worth taking seriously will pretend a chick is sick for being attracted to Yamcha (here's an excuse to post this cool Yamcha gif).

Tell that to the retard in the Lolicon/Shotacon Defenders thread where they're seriously considering calling me a pedophile because I think Jotaro is hot.

 

[skykiii]

The other night, I had an opportunity to watch the old classic The Great Teacher Onizuka and fuck. It's like loli mentality is built into Japanese society.

Honestly... Japanese media in general is one reason I became more resistant to kids being shown sexual content and appreciate that a lot of classic American kids shows from the 80s tended to avoid it.

It's pretty clear that in Japan kids are exposed to sexual shit pretty young, and its clearly not healthy, especially that as time went on it just made them more and more deviant but also apparently made them less desire actual human companionship (see: their birth rate decreasing, the NEET culture, etc).

It makes you think that 80s Americans with their "kids don't need to hear this" culture maybe have the right idea.

The whole idea of an age of consent is so odd. "This woman look easily 22 and is trying to ride this 18 year old dude, but she's 17 and 18 in ~2 months. We must wait for this arbitrary measurement or face ultimate judgement". I'm pro age of consent but you gotta admit, time being an identifier of adulthood is silly at times.

Most legal jurisdictions in the US actually do have exceptions written in specifically to deal with circumstances like these.

 

[Po's Cootah]

While I think lolicon isn't in the same standard as something like Daisy's Destruction and panty shots of anime girls isn't something worth making a fuss over, so making it illegal is a waste of time... Jerking off to gore out of anime 3-year-olds (not just shortstacks or adults with dwarfism) does make you a degenerate. It's not harming any child, but it's creepy and questionable. And if you reblog pictures of real kids or work in somewhere like a kindergarten, that's a red flag.

 

[Str8Bustah]

At the end of the day I genuinely think this whole debate is very silly and takes away from the fact that you could spend the time used on seething about cartoons to report your local kiddie-diddler who has now successfully pulled off his 4th abduction for the year because everyone was too busy yelling about a 3000 year old dragon who happens to look about 15 to do anything about him.

Sometimes I really do think we collectively suffer from some really, really deep brainrot. Especially Americans.

 

[Squishie PP]

At the end of the day I genuinely think this whole debate is very silly and takes away from the fact that you could spend the time used on seething about cartoons to report your local kiddie-diddler who has now successfully pulled off his 4th abduction for the year because everyone was too busy yelling about a 3000 year old dragon who happens to look about 15 to do anything about him.

Sometimes I really do think we collectively suffer from some really, really deep brainrot. Especially Americans.

To hide a tree, use a forest. To hide real pedophiles, use a shitload of fake ones. Not like amerimutts will know the difference anyways.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Tell that to the retard in the Lolicon/Shotacon Defenders thread where they're seriously considering calling me a pedophile because I think Jotaro is hot.

I thought I replied to you, guess not. Yeah, they're retarded for that. The character design matters much more than canonical trivia does.

While I think lolicon isn't in the same standard as something like Daisy's Destruction and panty shots of anime girls isn't something worth making a fuss over, so making it illegal is a waste of time... Jerking off to gore out of anime 3-year-olds (not just shortstacks or adults with dwarfism) does make you a degenerate. It's not harming any child, but it's creepy and questionable. And if you reblog pictures of real kids or work in somewhere like a kindergarten, that's a red flag.

Nah, it isn't a waste of time to ban loli, look how fast and easy Newsom banned AI political parodies. I never saw faster political action in my life.

As for gore, it should probably fall under a legal red flag system or something to put people on a list. Anyone jacking off to gore is basically a danger to society, it's way worse than loli, and if you combine those things then you've got basically the darkest shit imagineable, and any sympathy people might have for the "it's just lines on paper bro" argument should evaporate right there imo.

 

[Staticness]

All posters defending this shit can enjoy prison.

 

[Gog & Magog]

To add to this, you can tell even with short women that they're, y'know, women.

I once met a woman who looked like a young girl. It was freaky.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The whole idea of an age of consent is so odd. "This woman look easily 22 and is trying to ride this 18 year old dude, but she's 17 and 18 in ~2 months. We must wait for this arbitrary measurement or face ultimate judgement". I'm pro age of consent but you gotta admit, time being an identifier of adulthood is silly at times.

It's silly because, as conservatives are fond of saying, not rooted in biological reality. Much as how the differences between men and women are biological reality, so is the age of puberty. It happens to be very inconvenient that the age of puberty is well under the age of majority. And even then, American society doesn't really consider 18 year olds to be adults as they are just as spergy as 17 year olds. The title of maturity is more around 25 to 30, but the biological basis of that gets flimsier as that title's requirements get higher every year. I don't really consider Karens to be adult women despite being 40 year old shrews, but that's not a biological argument.

Anyways, the subtext of this question is artistic freedom. Does the artist have the right to draw child-like to short, petite characters? It also happens to be a loaded question because if the answer is not "no," it opens that person up to accusations of pedophilia. The result is that artists, who value their freedom of expression, do not want to make conservative art. And part of art is exploring human sexuality. Conservatives rightfully blame the Slippery Slope on lots of issues, but this is a case where they're engaging in a Slippery Slope argument themselves. "You like flat-chests, you must be a pedo, ree! You like shortstacks, you must be a pedo!"

Flat chests and being short do not signify a prepubescent child. Any human can look at a body and tell if it's prepubescent or not (unless you're FUCKING RETARDED). Fat distribution on a female prepubescent and postpubescent is obvious, even if she's naturally skinny and has A cups.

As this person put it, you have the draw the line somewhere and leave it there. Making a fluid definition for political ends always ends badly. Especially when the Supreme Court has set the definition at whether the art is fictional or not. They made the ruling they did because they have to balance out the First Amendment with Society's demands.

I will say this though, the older I get the more young adults look like kids to me, and the less drawn I am to them. It came on me really, really fast, too, like I felt like I aged, mentally, thirty years in one. They also start to get annoying.

These are my actual feelings on this subject too. It's a surprisingly complicated question when it comes to artistic integrity though and while I don't like the conclusion all that much, conservatives really fucked up by not having nuance in their opinions and why artists lean Left even when they're apolitical. They're winning the meme war now because the Left is insane, but if the Left ever stopped being weirdos and went back to how they were in 2001, the Right is fucked because they generally hold the Liberal Arts, the source of memes, in contempt as a philosophical core.

I once met a woman who looked like a young girl. It was freaky.

God doesn't always bless chicks with tits and those women do have some complex about their lack of perceived sexuality.

 

[Gog & Magog]

God doesn't always bless chicks with tits and those women do have some complex about their lack of perceived sexuality

No no no. There is something clearly very different with her physiology. Up close you really can't tell. Even her face didn't betray her years, save for a few wrinkles here and there. I realized her true age after meeting her kids. Not only is she an adult, but she's older than me.