Mega Rad Gun Thread

[EggImpregnator]

I've always thought the best way to defend against FPV drones is getting a talented skeet/trap shooter and giving them a magazine fed semi auto shotgun with an eotech. And an unlimited amount of tungsten high brass flight control turkey shot to train with and carry. In the future, i think FPV type drones will be so commonplace, you'll have these shotgunners integrated into the infantry down to the fire team level. A guy with a semi auto will be more important to combat infantry then designated marksmen, and as ubiquitous as automatic rifleman/light machine gunners.

 

[AnOminous]

Depends on the size, if it's the larger drones that require an FAA license and registration to operate it's same as shooting at a plane.

Generally planes do not operate on your private property. They are well in the airspace reserved for actual planes. If you have actual military drones on your property you're so fucked you should probably just surrender, but if some dipshit sends some consoomer level drone onto your property to spy on you, you should be able to remove it from your property.

 

[Samhain]

Damn, I need two of those and a trench coat with a cowboy hat for that 90s video game vibe.

For me, it's the cultists. Pallex mala!

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Generally planes do not operate on your private property. They are well in the airspace reserved for actual planes. If you have actual military drones on your property you're so fucked you should probably just surrender, but if some dipshit sends some consoomer level drone onto your property to spy on you, you should be able to remove it from your property.

Like what others have said, in a legal sense they are aircraft and are federally protected. I imagine that's going to change eventually, but 18 U.S.C.§ 32 covers it and the pilot can pursue for damages.
Also the FAA claims all airspace above private property.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

The drone thing really depends on where you are. In Israel you could probably get away with it under the right circumstances, like not being in an urban center, etc. The "it's coming right for us" defense.

 

[AnOminous]

Like what others have said, in a legal sense they are aircraft and are federally protected. I imagine that's going to change eventually, but 18 U.S.C.§ 32 covers it and the pilot can pursue for damages.
Also the FAA claims all airspace above private property.

Actually I believe the federally reserved airspace is 500 feet.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Actually I believe the federally reserved airspace is 500 feet.

Federally reserved airspace, yes, but they still claim jurisdiction no matter how close to the ground it is. 500+ just requires permission from the FAA before flying that high.
While it's still technically trespassing you still have to treat it as a defense situation, so you can't blast it unless it's a perceived and immediate threat, ie it's dropping shit on you, otherwise you're supposed to report it(lol good luck). They just want to lessen the drama that hobbyists cause and it's easier to fuck over property owners than random kids flying cameras around.

 

[DavidS877]

Federally reserved airspace, yes, but they still claim jurisdiction no matter how close to the ground it is. 500+ just requires permission from the FAA before flying that high.
While it's still technically trespassing you still have to treat it as a defense situation, so you can't blast it unless it's a perceived and immediate threat, ie it's dropping shit on you, otherwise you're supposed to report it(lol good luck). They just want to lessen the drama that hobbyists cause and it's easier to fuck over property owners than random kids flying cameras around.

Aircraft are authorized and have rules to fly from 0 feet to infinity and beyond. If you live in a "sparsely populated area" I can fly a fixed wing airplane 500 feet from your house and any people at treetop level or right over your house at 500 feet above your roof. I can fly a helicopter over your house at any altitude as long as it's done safely and if the engine fails the landing can be done safely. Note, there are higher minimums around "congested" areas but helicopters still only have to be able to land safely.

 

[Legato]

I wouldnt want to be the guy with the shotgun on drone watch.

Good luck.

 

[74164978231]

I watched an interview with a British volunteer in the Ukrainian foreign legion. He said that for standard infantry, suppressors are more of a hindrance than a help. The primary reason is that they make the rifle dirtier, heavier, longer, and generally require more care for the rifle than if it were unsupressed. And that in static fighting positions like sitting in a trench, foxhole, bunker, or building, the signature mitigation is moot as everyone on both sides already has a pretty accurate idea as to where the other is. In fact the sound of a friendly rifle would alert people to an attempted enemy assault. He did however say that they are useful for offensive operations or specialty operations.

When it comes to combat suppressors dont do too well on 16+ inch barrel firearms.

I have a 16 inch PSA AK101 in 556. I put my PBS Wolverine on it(albeit heavy for a suppressor) and that thing becomes pretty unweidly. Fine for messing around on the range but not something at all id wanna carry in combat.

I also have a 11.5 inch SBRd AR15 that my YHM Turbo lives on. Significantly more handy compared to the AK101 with Wolverine, and even more handy than the 20 inch M16A4 I carried while in the Bhutan Air Force with a ACOG+PEQ15 while deployed to India. And if I really wanted to I could still lighten it. Swap out the larger oversized handguard and magpul sls stock. AUG does pretty well suppressed as well, that thing is amazingly balanced.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Shockwave-style birdshead grip instead of a stock (unless you get a stamp for an SBS

mare's legs are not SBSs, SBRs, or AOW and require no stamp. it must: have been built on a virgin receiver and documented as a pistol, must never have had a stock and barrel less than 18" (or 16" for rifles), never have been more than 26" in overall length, and was never designed to be shot from the shoulder. these are generally treated as pistols, although some states specifically forbid them. in CA they are typically not on the safe handgun roster for example.

a bird's head grip or shockwave style grip is different means to the same end.

 

[EggImpregnator]

I've always thought the best way to defend against FPV drones is getting a talented skeet/trap shooter and giving them a magazine fed semi auto shotgun with an eotech. And an unlimited amount of tungsten high brass flight control turkey shot to train with and carry. In the future, i think FPV type drones will be so commonplace, you'll have these shotgunners integrated into the infantry down to the fire team level. A guy with a semi auto will be more important to combat infantry then designated marksmen, and as ubiquitous as automatic rifleman/light machine gunners.

This is quickly becoming the reality where FPV drones are used.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

When it comes to combat suppressors dont do too well on 16+ inch barrel firearms.

I have a 16 inch PSA AK101 in 556. I put my PBS Wolverine on it(albeit heavy for a suppressor) and that thing becomes pretty unweidly. Fine for messing around on the range but not something at all id wanna carry in combat.

I also have a 11.5 inch SBRd AR15 that my YHM Turbo lives on. Significantly more handy compared to the AK101 with Wolverine, and even more handy than the 20 inch M16A4 I carried while in the Bhutan Air Force with a ACOG+PEQ15 while deployed to India. And if I really wanted to I could still lighten it. Swap out the larger oversized handguard and magpul sls stock. AUG does pretty well suppressed as well, that thing is amazingly balanced.

A 20-24oz can on something front heavy is gonna be annoying.

A 12-16oz can on a medium weight 16” AR is much more pleasant. Also a 14.5 is even more pleasant and still gets decent velocity.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

when it comes to military applications of anti drone rounds, ive always thought 20mm proximity AA rounds like in ww2 would be pretty effective against low flying drones. anyone know if this has been tried yet? not as man portable as a 12 gauge, but would probably be more effective.

Yes.

30mm programmable shells have been found to mulch drones in testing. Same with 35mm.

I think 25mm shells have the room for programmable or proximity fuses but 20mm is too small

 

[WelperHelper99]

I've always thought the best way to defend against FPV drones is getting a talented skeet/trap shooter and giving them a magazine fed semi auto shotgun with an eotech. And an unlimited amount of tungsten high brass flight control turkey shot to train with and carry. In the future, i think FPV type drones will be so commonplace, you'll have these shotgunners integrated into the infantry down to the fire team level. A guy with a semi auto will be more important to combat infantry then designated marksmen, and as ubiquitous as automatic rifleman/light machine gunners.

A interesting idea I have for drone defense is taking something like a M79 blooper and putting a airburst grenade with tungsten balls in it. Yeah it's a low velocity grenade, it's not going fast, but it has one hell of a payload capacity. And it's not like a DJI drone is going fast either. Now it's not really a civilian solution, but for the military it could be a cheap way to adapt existing weapons to drone duty

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

I've always thought the best way to defend against FPV drones is getting a talented skeet/trap shooter and giving them a magazine fed semi auto shotgun with an eotech. And an unlimited amount of tungsten high brass flight control turkey shot to train with and carry. In the future, i think FPV type drones will be so commonplace, you'll have these shotgunners integrated into the infantry down to the fire team level. A guy with a semi auto will be more important to combat infantry then designated marksmen, and as ubiquitous as automatic rifleman/light machine gunners.

Another reason the Battle rifle should stay dead. A high recoil rifle seith a smaller magazine is retarded when little drones are buzzing around.

Also, FPV drones will probably get a bit less common as jammers get better/ more common and micro shorad systems come online plus shotguns.

Benelli M4s and M3s, Mossberg 590s, and Beretta 1301s are probably going to get a LOT more common in US / NATO armories

 

[WelperHelper99]

Another reason the Battle rifle should stay dead. A high recoil rifle seith a smaller magazine is retarded when little drones are buzzing around.

Also, FPV drones will probably get a bit less common as jammers get better/ more common and micro shorad systems come online plus shotguns.

Benelli M4s and M3s, Mossberg 590s, and Beretta 1301s are probably going to get a LOT more common in US / NATO armories

I think another idea that should come back against drones, other than shotties, is the 5.56 minigun:

XM214 minigun bitch. Short range, but long enough for a quad copter with a mortar shell attached. And ammo is cheap and you can haul a fuck ton of it. It's a "micro shorad" as you put it.

 

[BikeLock]

This is actually an INSANE deal

https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/used-glock-45-gen-5-9mm-4-barrel-3-magazines-pistol

Honestly I would rather have a 17 with a 19 grip. But yeah, sheesh.

 

[BikeLock]

Not in 12 bore, but old bolt guns rechambered in .410 are fairly common here in the UK, particularly Enfields. For legal reasons they've usually had the magazines fucked with to make them un-removable, and single shot. Wouldn't want one myself, I have martini actions to scratch the "retarded shotgun" itch.

My dad has a couple of old bolt action shot guns, one in 20 ga, and one in .410. Always found them fairly novel, if not a bit obsolete. The 20ga really likes rifled slugs.

 

[Sperg_rancher]

are those 12 Ga 'net' shells for drones just a meme?