Fewer Young men are having sex, why? - And why the sex disparity?

[TheArtilleryman]

no pp

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

Is this a man/woman hate thread leak?

I feel like I have seen these threads crop up before.
I assume this is some form of autistic mating ritual where the spergs on both sides insult one eachother before retreating into their hugboxes, gooncaves, and ERP DMs until the next time their need for opposite sex interactions arises.

I don't want sex, I just want snuggy wuggy time

You disgust me.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Well, then you're trying to make it illegal. So what's even the point of bringing up free will?

Laws do not change free will. You still have the free will to break the law. Laws just add enforceable and clear consequences that you will have to consider if you choose to break them.

Because raising a child as a teenager severely limits the mother's opportunities. That much should be obvious.

What opportunities are you referring to aside from fucking around or having a career?

Good thing abortion isn’t murder then.

Not only is it murder, its satanic ritual sacrifice.

By the way, do you find it unreasonable to wonder if perhaps rape babies are not more inclined to be rapists, or otherwise disordered and miserable as a result of their origins?

>Muh sins of the father argument

The sins of the father are not inherited by the son.

Are all babies blank slates, or do genetics matter?

Nurture and Nature and not mutual exclusives. All life is sacred to God and it is not our place to judge who is worthy of life.

It’s far likelier, however, that they will suffer and perpetuate the cycle of misery and abuse.

Statistical analysis is a poor measure of reality at best. Likelihood of a potential outcome is not a good justification for murder.

 

[Executive Petrel]

Probably framce has more nignogs and arabs than germany. Western women bad femnazis too vain to breed no matter which country.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Imagine literally having sex in the Year of our Lord 2024.

Reject Jewish desires and embrace the Sigma Grindset.

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

I'm an introvert with zero dating experience and zero income. I'm also comfortable with being a bachelor. Admittedly, I am pretty clueless with women and romance.

 

[cybertoaster]

It was never easy, there's a lot of what some call "whimsical thinking" where entire generations thought romantic stories were real and that's how life works, that things just magically happen. In reality you're gonna be doing a lot of work as a man to get any, you have to lower your standards and sometimes even resign yourself to get whatever is available else you'll become an incel and inevitably a wizard.

This movie is from the 90's and the book its based on from earlier in that decade

Dating already sucked before the internet, but it only got exponentially worse since then. Dating apps mean even a 4/10 girl can at least hook up with a 9/10 guy who just wants to slap some cheeks and leave. For the girl its validating that a guy like that is willing to bang her, for that guy it just means he never has to settle down because he can get booty calls whenever he wants. Before dating apps this was practically impossible, you had to get whatever was available near you, only desperate losers went online for dating and back then "no girls on the internet" was almost literally real.

and with it an expectation that women must only be asked out in that scenario, when they're putting themselves on display to be dated like a cattle to be purchased.

You're wrong to think women are the cattle in this situation...

I think instant access to porn is the culprit.

Pornography

Nobody who has any access to pussy is cranking it to porn. The guys who watch porn can't get any, simple as that.

Slight powerlevel but this is my perspective as a married man with children. So it may not be 1-to-1 with the plights or perspective than an actual man facing trouble would have.

Not married but I'm in my 30s and yeah I do remember when things weren't this bad. It was never like romcoms made you to believe, ugly dudes didn't get any back then either but the problem is that the bar to what's considered "just average" its insanely high now. Must suck if you're a zoomer...

Many young men feel hopeless, even giving up. Some women feel similarly.

All women have to do is lower their standards a bit but its all about how they're perceived by other women for them and being seen with a man who other women consider a loser is worse than dying alone for most women.

Because us Gen-Z aren't having crazy ass white people house parties anymore with questionably consensual sexual antics.

If you mean shit like swinger parties those were incredibly rare, it was only amplified by the media to for ratings. Most of the house/college parties you see on TV and movies are also greatly exaggerated, it would get wild but life its not a movie and you're not the MC.

Back in the day, if a woman wanted to date, she might paint a canvas image of a factory. She would set up a chair with her artist board within view of the building and start painting, hoping a nice, handsome man talked to her.

Now, that's impossible.

Why is it impossible? what keeps her from doing that besides maybe all factories around being closed?

Obesity is also a huge problem, because excessive adipose tissue will convert testosterone to estrogen (via aromatization), combine that with earlier puberty due to endocrine disruption, and you have early growth spurs, which are also stopped early, as estrogen is the hormone that triggers the fusing of bones, and you have a generation of fat, short poofs.

Buddy female obesity is worse than male, there are more fat chicks than fat dudes now and the fat chicks don't want fat dudes either. It used to be that if you wanted sex quick you just went with the fat chick, aka: slampig, specially in college. Now even morbidly obese she-beasts think they're entitled to a fit handsome man and want to do shit-tests on him as if he would even acknowledge they exist in the first place.

young men see women as talentless leeches who didn't get there on their own merit, and women see men as retarded, raging rapebeasts who would do everything in their power to enslave women whenever.

So men are seeing reality and women are living in feminist lalaland where any random guy is going to rape her while other men just clap and hi-five each other...

There was a post I remember seeing regarding an Asian classroom of roughly 1/2 boy to girl ratio that sort of spoke on the above. When girls were given the resources (in this case snacks) during a girl's day, they shared with 2 out of the 10 boys. The teacher then did the same for the boys and came to the result that they distributed the snacks in a way to which no girl was left out and all were generally happier.

Its eerily how much it correlates with okcupid post about women only looking at the top 20% of men in the app and not even caring about the other 80%.

Third worlders without access to this shit are still fucking like rabbits though so take that for what it's worth.

Nah, africans maybe but plenty of 3rd world countries also have below-replacement birthrate now and also incel problems.

Without getting into a long drawn out debate, why do people trust polls?

Is not the polls, is the fact that this has entered the conversation, that men who aren't getting any are desperate enough to say it. Don't know how it is for zoomers but if you're a millennial or older saying you were a virgin after 18 or god forbid your 20s was a social death sentence, even the gay kid wasn't as ostracized as the virgin guy. The fact young men are coming forward with this means things are bad, probably even worse than it looks since I figure many still don't want to say they are the loser weirdo who can't get any.

 

[Kovachs]

You're being vague and side stepping my point. Yes, the QOL is high, per most metrics people use to define it, sure, but hope is not high, and incentives still matter. Consider Germany vs France, two high QOL western nations:

France is much more generous about helping french people out with having kids. Germany is not. France has a higher birth rate. Yes, both have a bit of a problem with immigrants, but my point stands.

You can have a high QOL and blah blah blah, and find child care costs too goddamn much. Actual purchasing power due to the insane cost of living (RENT, Inflation, etc?) is rather lower. I know highly paid professionals who drop $3K/mo on childcare. I know people who aren't making that much up to their eyeballs in it.

Families have broken down, so a lack of grandparents to help is a problem.
Women work now, and more or less have to, since wages have been stagnant since the 1980s, so stay at home moms aren't economically feasible right now.

If behaviors are disincentivized, they will be expressed less than incentivized behavior.

There is no lack of grandparents. They receive social security and are more than capable of assisting.

There are no governmental incentives for raising children that aren't effectively subsidizing poverty. Somebody has to pay for it, and the rich have the highest amount of economic mobility. They will simply pass it down to the middle class. What you are doing is encouraging poor and stupid people within the lowest tax brackets to have kids, while shifting the burden onto the middle class. You can't magically give people money to make them have kids. That's not how it works. You want to complain about immigration, but it is precisely these kinds of policies which ironically incentivize mass immigration. Being blindly pro-natal is stupid beyond measure.

 

[Rudy Coleman]

Nobody who has any access to pussy is cranking it to porn. The guys who watch porn can't get any, simple as that.

you would be surprised how often porn is sited as pivotal in break ups.
I would also argue that men are less likely to seek out women if they can salsify them self's with porn already

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

I'm an introvert with zero dating experience and zero income. I'm also comfortable with being a bachelor. Admittedly, I am pretty clueless with women and romance.

Do you like anime?

 

[Sneed's Feed n Seed]

I'm an introvert with zero dating experience and zero income. I'm also comfortable with being a bachelor. Admittedly, I am pretty clueless with women and romance.

Bruh, grown ass men and grown as women are made, not just born. Neither young men nor young women are given that support to be mature, assertive, and responsible. Men are beaten down, women are giga-over-entitled, and basically this comes down to "you're not missing much."

I'm middle aged and tbh the typical woman is either fit and taken, or a fucking blob of problems and fat. Get someone young who isn't spoiled and traumatized from her own mistakes or just bachelor the fuck up and enjoy it.

There is no lack of grandparents. They receive social security and are more than capable of assisting.

There are no governmental incentives for raising children that aren't effectively subsidizing poverty. Somebody has to pay for it, and the rich have the highest amount of economic mobility. They will simply pass it down to the middle class. What you are doing is encouraging poor and stupid people within the lowest tax brackets to have kids, while shifting the burden onto the middle class.

Oh you're libertarianing your nose to spite our face, nevermind then.

You can't magically give people money to make them have kids. That's not how it works. You want to complain about immigration, but it is precisely these kinds of policies which ironically incentivize mass immigration. Being blindly pro-natal is stupid beyond measure.

Who must be lost. Sorry, this isn't reddit.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Foids only go for chad and sub 5 and poorfag sub 7 males are invisible on the dating market.

From what I hear even being chad isn’t enough these days. You gotta be gigachad. Legit hearing a lot of 8-9/10 guys having it rough though I suspect covid did a lot of damage

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Neither of these are good answers. Fucking around is obviously bad, but even getting an education to enter the workforce should not be the driving goal of a person's life. It does not lead to true fulfillment or happiness.

Furthermore formal institutional education is not the only form of education and is increasingly inadequate for actual living. One can arguably obtain a better education through private study utilizing resources like the Internet and Libraries than they can in a modern classroom especially for standard K-12 type schools. Community colleges and civil centers offer a robust array of educational classes for adults if you really need that classroom experience or find it beneficial to you.

Late and slightly off-topic, but formal institutional education only works for jobs that necessarily require a formal training process that takes years to learn the basics and truly master the field, like STEM jobs in the industry or academia, law school (despite how much I hate lawyers) and medical school, which are a small minority of all jobs. The average person would do much better if they went to community college to learn a trade or if they were/are able to, just get a job out of high school. It's becoming readily apparent that most people shouldn't even be in 4 year schools and they're better off having the skills to make money as soon as possible rather than going to a 4 year daycare for a skillset they will never use.

 

[Kovachs]

Oh you're libertarianing your nose to spite our face, nevermind then.

What is that even supposed to mean? It's common sense.

 

[Preacher ✝]

It's common sense.

As is not having sex if you don't want to get pregnant.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

What is that even supposed to mean? It's common sense.

He's saying the basic truth that the government should do the bare minimum of ensuring the peace and prosperity of it's people, invluding as it relates to marriage and childbirth. Most Western governments are Ponzi schemes that put in arrificial barriers that make life harder for the average middle class individual, while proping up both the lower and upper classes.

It makes sense that a government should enact laws that promote population growth (or at the very least, limits population loss) that doesn't rely on infinite immigration. It also makes sense for them to promote multi-generational families and things that will make the lives of the average citizen better rather than being corrupt pieces of shit that only look out for their own interests. It's not going to happen qith the current gov't, but that doesn't make it an ideal that it should aspire to. Even Greek philosophers like Aristotlw and Plato rightfully pointed out the fact that the government exists solely to serve the people in the most ideal way possible, not for it'a own sake. If a government can't do that, it has no right to exist.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

There was a post I remember seeing regarding an Asian classroom of roughly 1/2 boy to girl ratio that sort of spoke on the above. When girls were given the resources (in this case snacks) during a girl's day, they shared with 2 out of the 10 boys. The teacher then did the same for the boys and came to the result that they distributed the snacks in a way to which no girl was left out and all were generally happier. I believe we are living in a world similar to the girl's day now, explaining much of the disparity. The boys have nothing to offer girls, so the girls just stick to the top of the litter be it the actual successes, or the best looking.

Do you know where I might be able to find this? Like if you saved it anywhere?

Something I've come more and more to think is that the ancient Greeks - really all ancient civilizations - were probably right about women. At a group level (I shouldn't have to specify that ever time on Kiwi Farms, right?) they have no moral core. They're very prosocial in the sense of trying to get along, and so they're not disruptive or anything, but they have an inherently weak sense of morality. The situation in the modern West, particularly the way abortion issues flared up around Roe v Wade, is what first got me brooding on it. That one play by Aristophanes is another. I just came to the conclusion that while there's nothing to be done about it, they never should have been given the right to vote and generally shouldn't be in positions of leadership at all, except in their own women's spaces.

 

[Nigger Cobson]

Most charts about sex rates declining or whatever aren't all that reliable due to their small sample sizes, a youtuber named Gerbert Johnson went over the flaws of those charts and then shared a chart with a much bigger size that showed only a slight increase in sexlessness. The crux of the problem isn't so much sex, as that is easy to get if you lower your standards enough, it's that meaningful relationships (this includes friendships and familial ties) are in short supply. Watch this quirky video essay to learn more.

 

[Kovachs]

He's saying the basic truth that the government should do the bare minimum of ensuring the peace and prosperity of it's people, invluding as it relates to marriage and childbirth. Most Western governments are Ponzi schemes that put in arrificial barriers that make life harder for the average middle class individual, while proping up both the lower and upper classes.

It makes sense that a government should enact laws that promote population growth (or at the very least, limits population loss) that doesn't rely on infinite immigration. It also makes sense for them to promote multi-generational families and things that will make the lives of the average citizen better rather than being corrupt pieces of shit that only look out for their own interests. It's not going to happen qith the current gov't, but that doesn't make it an ideal that it should aspire to. Even Greek philosophers like Aristotlw and Plato rightfully pointed out the fact that the government exists solely to serve the people in the most ideal way possible, not for it'a own sake. If a government can't do that, it has no right to exist.

And those incentives for having children are exactly the kinds of ponzi schemes you are talking about!

How is this so hard to understand? Setting up welfare and government programs to promote population growth, especially in countries where there is a defined legal prohibition against disparate impact, means that you are subsidizing immigration. It means that you are subsidizing poverty. It means that you are hollowing out the middle class.

Now, you could structure these incentives through some kind of child tax credit or tax cut. However, that would require cutting spending as well. These governments don't exactly seem eager to do so. Even the Trump administration has to rationalize the child tax credit through generating revenue from tariffs. And that's aside from the question of whether incentives even work in the first place.

 

[redcent]

It's worth noting that, at least in the USA, there's not an even moral correlation between behavior and imprisonment. Most of America's prisons are full from drug offenses. In terms of violent crime, women received about 30x more abortions than there were legally defined murders each year prior to the overturning of Roe V Wade breaking up abortion legislation to the states.
If we can use violent crime numbers to make certain conclusions about the behavior of men as passionate beings with a destructive self-serving streak, the numbers are indicative of women simply having a far more cruel indifference to life than men possess.

IMO drug traffickers are the scum of the earth and deserve imprisonment if not firing squad and I'm not all that fond of drug addicts either.

There remains health reasons for abortion to be required. It is also done to something that has no capacity for pain. Drugs ruin lives and is worse than death.

So no comparison.

Soooo... Since this is abortion topic #125468, is this the crux of a&hers gripe with women, or are they leaning on it to feel holier than art thou while the accusers are as scummy as fuck?

"I may be a drug trafficker, but that's okay, because some desperate lady got an abortion. I'm totes better than someone like her!"

Because they're independently minded. Literally just said that

So having a job means you're independently minded? Considering the majority of women are employed, I guess that means they're independently minded too.

I didn't say women were monsters

So what are you saying? Women lack integrity? Lack morals? Isn't that what a monster is?