Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[deermeat]

Im sorry but Ill never believe the whole "pooners never pass" thing. Pooners can "pass" easily if they are fat as fuck irl, and a lot of pooners online do pass as your average soyboy man even vocally.

Compare that to troons, man. TiMs never pass without filters and they always use them, its insane and telling how porn-rotted people who actually like troons are.

The sheer fact that I can mistake a man for a pooner or a pooner for a man online while never being able to mistake a troon (unless they use heavy filters) is telling. Its not the majority, but at least theres some. Not even Blair Whiter looks normal.

 

[Mound Dweller]

Im sorry but Ill never believe the whole "pooners never pass" thing. Pooners can "pass" easily if they are fat as fuck irl, and a lot of pooners online do pass as your average soyboy man even vocally.

That's because the true third gender are fat genderblobs, you can toss any morbid obeast into this category because they're all equally sexless.
Men are just naturally ugly so that's what the default interpretation is, but the real "passing" is their physical asexuality as pseudo-eunuchs.

 

[countrybumpkin]

Im sorry but Ill never believe the whole "pooners never pass" thing. Pooners can "pass" easily if they are fat as fuck irl, and a lot of pooners online do pass as your average soyboy man even vocally.

Compare that to troons, man. TiMs never pass without filters and they always use them, its insane and telling how porn-rotted people who actually like troons are.

The sheer fact that I can mistake a man for a pooner or a pooner for a man online while never being able to mistake a troon (unless they use heavy filters) is telling. Its not the majority, but at least theres some. Not even Blair Whiter looks normal.

Yeah, being fat obscures many "secondary sex characteristics" which is why fat people in general are unattractive.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Im sorry but Ill never believe the whole "pooners never pass" thing. Pooners can "pass" easily if they are fat as fuck irl, and a lot of pooners online do pass as your average soyboy man even vocally.

Compare that to troons, man. TiMs never pass without filters and they always use them, its insane and telling how porn-rotted people who actually like troons are.

The sheer fact that I can mistake a man for a pooner or a pooner for a man online while never being able to mistake a troon (unless they use heavy filters) is telling. Its not the majority, but at least theres some. Not even Blair Whiter looks normal.

I used to think this until I met one in person. Online pooners dont seem too different from men but that is mostly because of the same reasons as troons. They make sure the pictures are favorable to them, only taking selfies, never a fullbody picture. In person even though they could pass better than the TIMs due to the lower voice and pubic hair beard from being on testosterone they still have this uncanny valley vibe that something is wrong and this is actually not a man. They're short, the body even with baggy clothing is noticeable that is not actually a man and in most cases the froggy voice makes it too obvious too, even if some men have high pitched voices the voice of a pooner on T is very noticibly different.
The differences between a man and a pooner are small, very subtle but they're still there, meeting a pooner in person is very different from meeting one online

 

[the inconfident]

I used to think this until I met one in person. Online pooners dont seem too different from men but that is mostly because of the same reasons as troons. They make sure the pictures are favorable to them, only taking selfies, never a fullbody picture. In person even though they could pass better than the TIMs due to the lower voice and pubic hair beard from being on testosterone they still have this uncanny valley vibe that something is wrong and this is actually not a man. They're short, the body even with baggy clothing is noticeable that is not actually a man and in most cases the froggy voice makes it too obvious too, even if some men have high pitched voices the voice of a pooner on T is very noticibly different.
The differences between a man and a pooner are small, very subtle but they're still there, meeting a pooner in person is very different from meeting one online

Yea, worked a bit at movie theater construction. We had some pooners there. So far, only one actually surprised me when revealed that he was a pooner - and was actually pretty chill about it, hence why I kinda respect the lil dood. The others tho... Weak and tried way too hard, more like "how you doin fellow doods".

Now trannies? I still have to see one that passes. Way too many factors to hide - the cheese-cutting jawline, the adam's apple thing, the broad shoulders, the voice, everything works against their agp desires. My wife went for a Theater masters and well, many trannies flock to theater classes - if you compared the online pictures with the real thing, it's almost unrecognisable. And sadly for them, most cant pass even with photoshop.

 

[Jacques1194]

Am I the only one that gets annoyed when TRAs post the strawman that "Transphobes think kids are identifying as trans to be part of a trend." when that wasn't the argument? No one denied that there's teens and young people that get confused or dysphoric by their sex and think they are the other one. We just don't believe those kids were born in the wrong body. What gender critical people argue that is a trend are those teens and young people who adopt some flavor of non binary, gender fluid, or any non male or female gender. Those things are clearly just fashion statements like goth or emo because its genders where you literally do nothing in terms of transitioning except maybe change your clothes. Hell, if you literally engage with any of these kids they'll call you a truscum and that their gender is just how they socially see themselves. They literally admit that its just a fashion statement.

 

[Piggle-o]

I always suspected, and had seen many indications from a distance that this was the case, but now am learning anew every day that the real truth behind all those "homeless queer yoofs" is that these kids were bad seeds who got vomited out of imperfect but basically decent family homes because they lied, cheated, stole, abused, manipulated, battered, raped, exploited, lied, cheated, and generally caused agony and chaos. And being a fucking tranny or faggot was just the cherry on top of their general inability to get the fuck along with anyone else.

It's like 50/50, there's usually some underlying bad family dynamics or outright hate but it's hard to deny that the other half of the time, there's no obvious cause other than being a massive piece of shit, especially when you know the inside family dynamics or have a good report of it.

 

[enaR]

I was thinking about what would have happened if I was younger and spent my formative years as a shut-in PC gamer today instead of back when I did. The discords and reddits etc(no forums anymore) with a large population of teenagers these days seem to be engineered to be basically psychic weapons. That's the age where you're figuring out yourself and your sexuality. Not to use too much psychobabble, but if we just look at the self, the object of desire, and the relationship between the two, all three of those are attacked constantly and any language you could use to talk about them is muddled to the point of uselessness. They seem to be trying to inflict all sorts of complexes you could previously only get from being raised devoutly religious or by weird hippies.

The places are simultaneously hypersexual and prudish, libertine and judgemental, people are horny but instead of celebrities it's for grotesque cartoon simulacrums with impossible features. Your sexuality (and gender) are used as a judgement of your moral character; so you'd better not be a straight cis man. All the contradictions bombarding you in your only social space (remember you didn't go outside for 2 years because of COVID) seem to be trying to cross your wires, sublimate sexual desire into a variety of paraphilias, convince you to be literally anything but yourself (the goal is just to not be cis), etc. No wonder kids come out of this and the conclusion to their "do I like boys or girls or both" ends up being "Uhhh I dunno I'm neither, I'm a non human cute little cartoon creature, and I want to fuck a socially acceptable fat toaster with dog ears."

I'm not too conspiracy inclined but this basically seems like mental sterilization; I've never seen one of these people come back although the oldest ones are like early-mid 20s now so it's kind of hard to tell. The troon aspect encourages them to seal the deal by additionally physically sterilizing themselves. Yeah there are people my age there but they're just pedos, they didn't really grow up under this.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

How many honest to god trannies even exist in the world? When I say "honest to god" I mean guys like Pads or the very rare old school type fucking weirdos that use to be a thing amongst faggots. It can't be more than what, a few thousand?

 

[Aquarius]

Right? Remember how they celebrated when Magdalen Berns was diagnosed with brain cancer, remember how they celebrated when she died?

Excellent point! Amazing point! Yep, I remember. Nothing says “genuine civil rights movement” quite like the freaks on 4chan’s /tttt/ board laughing about how small a vigil for Berns was. Even though it was on another continent than the one she lived and died on. Even though no one will be attending the funerals of these freaks, unless they pull a Mr. Chloe Sagal and make a funeral pyre in a public place. And they’re still going after this dead woman. See this?

Spoiler: Douchebags

That’s how these greasy little maggots talk about a dead woman who only advocated for the rights of women and gays. At least they’re honest about being cowardly predators who only strike those who cannot fight back. Tracks with all their other nonsense. Gotta love how these maggots get a Patreon page while Reduxx and other publications get the axe.

 

[Piggle-o]

Your sexuality (and gender) are used as a judgement of your moral character; so you'd better not be a straight cis man.

Ye cain't even be gay, it gets no attention and quite a bit of other negative reinforcement. God forbid you're from somewhere that has completely different mores about the whole thing such that being openly troon is a foreign concept when being roadhauled behind a truck is still in recent memory.

 

[Rubatán]

How many honest to god trannies even exist in the world? When I say "honest to god" I mean guys like Pads or the very rare old school type fucking weirdos that use to be a thing amongst faggots. It can't be more than what, a few thousand?

If by "honest to god" you mean someone who is born with the psychology of the sex opposite of that which they are (which, considering the amount of weird mental illnesses that are out there, doesn't sound far-fetched to me), my completely-pulled-out-of-my-ass estimate is 1 in every 250,000 births. This is mostly based on 90s studies which indicate 1:30,000 for males and 1:100,000 for females, filtering out the number of people who are probably just freaks or fetishists. This would mean there's around 32,000 "real" trannies worldwide, which sounds reasonable enough to me.

EDIT (so I don't double-post):
I've recently learned about the term "truscum", meant as a pejorative towards people who think you don't need dysphoria to be trans, and to be considered trans you have to have medically transitioned... Isn't that the whole fucking point? That you have dysphoria and your end goal is chopping your dick or your tits off?? And yet, here's what they think of them:

Spoiler: Retarded Redditors

So, according to mainstream "trans thought", you can just choose to be a trannie if you feel like it, and you don't even need to put in "the effort" to look more like the opposite sex. You can have a bald spot, a penis, excessive body hair, a beard, roided out muscles and if you say you're a woman, then you are. And if some trooner says "no, that's stupid, if you want to be seen as a woman, then act and look like one", they're seen as gatekeepers and transphobic. What the fuck?

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

If by "honest to god" you mean someone who is born with the psychology of the sex opposite of that which they are (which, considering the amount of weird mental illnesses that are out there, doesn't sound far-fetched to me), my completely-pulled-out-of-my-ass estimate is 1 in every 250,000 births. This is mostly based on 90s studies which indicate 1:30,000 for males and 1:100,000 for females, filtering out the number of people who are probably just freaks or fetishists. This would mean there's around 32,000 "real" trannies worldwide, which sounds reasonable enough to me.

That's what I thought. Lets bump it up to say 110,00 globally so we can account for population differences, and people who rest on the sliding scale of mentally ill people. That means that this group is small enough to have some medical solutions available and more importantly Small enough that the rest of the world can outright ignore them.



I think what happened is that people use to treat each person as a unique use case (because there so few of them) but the Internet made it explode into the hell it is now. It must suck to be one of the few 110,000 left and see your disorder co-opted by freaks.

 

[Ol' Chunk O' Coal]

How many honest to god trannies even exist in the world? When I say "honest to god" I mean guys like Pads or the very rare old school type fucking weirdos that use to be a thing amongst faggots. It can't be more than what, a few thousand?

I'm of the hard stance that "true trans" has never existed. IMO people desperate enough to medicalize were just much rarer back then.

If by "honest to god" you mean someone who is born with the psychology of the sex opposite of that which they are (which, considering the amount of weird mental illnesses that are out there, doesn't sound far-fetched to me), my completely-pulled-out-of-my-ass estimate is 1 in every 250,000 births. This is mostly based on 90s studies which indicate 1:30,000 for males and 1:100,000 for females, filtering out the number of people who are probably just freaks or fetishists. This would mean there's around 32,000 "real" trannies worldwide, which sounds reasonable enough to me.

Someone born with the psychology of the sex opposite to their own seems near impossible to me. Our psychologies are shaped by experience and how the world interacts with our physical bodies from the moment we're born. I think that someone can only be deluded enough to think that they are born with the psychology of the opposite sex.

 

[Jacques1194]

I've recently learned about the term "truscum", meant as a pejorative towards people who think you don't need dysphoria to be trans, and to be considered trans you have to have medically transitioned... Isn't that the whole fucking point? That you have dysphoria and your end goal is chopping your dick or your tits off?? And yet, here's what they think of them:

Spoiler: Retarded Redditors

So, according to mainstream "trans thought", you can just choose to be a trannie if you feel like it, and you don't even need to put in "the effort" to look more like the opposite sex. You can have a bald spot, a penis, excessive body hair, a beard, roided out muscles and if you say you're a woman, then you are. And if some trooner says "no, that's stupid, if you want to be seen as a woman, then act and look like one", they're seen as gatekeepers and transphobic. What the fuck?

The truscum vs tucute debate should have been the nail in the coffin that being trans for most of these kids were just a trend because again, if you have no dysphoria and don't really plan on doing anything in terms of transitioning then how would the trans community know if the person is being genuine? The bizarre thing about tucute is that if you ask a non binary woman (who does nothing in terms of transitioning) why she doesn't see herself as a girl, its either she doesn't want to be seen as one (which would prove she has some sort of dysphoria and proves the truscums right) or she claims that's how she sees her gender. The weird thing is that if you engage with her about why she sees herself as that then it'll boil down to "Not like other girls." and if you point out all the girls who still identify as girls and do the things that she claims doesn't make her one then she'll some how claim its different. Tucute makes 0 sense because you would have to have some level of dysphoria just for the simple fact of wanting to transition into the oppose sex.

Also I looked up this debate to see what trans people really think and I see this comment that claims the whole "Tucutes and Truscum" thing started with a real woman on tumblr who pretended to be trans. Sadly the Source linke doesn't work, but it would be funny if the trans community took what she said as real because you would think a group that sees transphobes everywhere would be careful about this.

 

[Aunt Carol]

comment that claims the whole "Tucutes and Truscum" thing started with a real woman on tumblr who pretended to be trans.

Oh, shoot, is this the person who had a thread on the late Tumblr board and had kitself pronouns? Name is on the tip of my tongue, but they were a big name in trandom back then.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Does estrogen age men?

I know a lot of agps are autistic and don’t care for their skin and apply makeup poorly and that contributes to it. Drug use, poor lifestyles in general, too, I guess. But I keep coming across troons who seemingly honestly write their age as 25-30 but look about 45.

This pic was shocking to me for instance. Bad fillers, makeup, and surgery I guess? But 24? This dude looks almost 50.

 

[Paper Machete]

Does estrogen age men?

I know a lot of agps are autistic and don’t care for their skin and apply makeup poorly and that contributes to it. Drug use, poor lifestyles in general, too, I guess. But I keep coming across troons who seemingly honestly write their age as 25-30 but look about 45.

Cross sex hormone use is basically poisoning yourself and stressing your body out. Undue stress like that typically ages people. They also don't tend to be the type to be well groomed and take care of their skin either.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Does estrogen age

To add to what @Paper Machete said, testosterone blockers or castration also cause these issues. Testosterone promotes the growth and maintenance of collagen, which amongst other things keeps the skin taut and firm. Sagging and wrinkling of the skin, due to weakened or lost collagen, is one of the more obvious signs of aging.

 

[ephermeral]

What makes trannies want to posthumously claim some celebrities but not others? The one with crunchy, ramen hair who harasses waitstaff for clicks? Anyway, did whatshiscock pull this with Kurt Cobain solely to draw rage watchers to him? Typically, when I've seen troons do this, it's claiming women (both fictional and historical) were ackshually trans. Are there other dead, male celebrities they've tried to do this, "ONE OF US!" schtick to? It's not just just because he wore a dress on stage a few times, right?

I am surprised trannies haven't tried it with Henry Darger and/or the Vivian Girls, yet.